Ok what the hell is Perth Becoming?

[TJ]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19603041-28793,00.html


I heard about this on the new this morning, they said they had arrested a 21 year old in relation to it..... it gets worse.. he was charged with murder, and sexual penetration... so he raped her

Firstly I was stunned, then angry

WTF, this ****ing piece of **** is 21, like 2 years younger then me, and the same age as alot of us. Who in their right mind molests a 8 year old girl and kills her in a shopping centre carpark. Why? What the hell makes someone do this!

What the hell is happening around here!

Just yesterday, a man waiting for a bus gets stabbed randomly.

Where are the police, where are the law makers, to solve this before it becomes so out of control we become downtown L.A ? This is crazy


My thoughts go to the family of the victim. RIP

[Brockas]

Police are too busy pulling me over for "chirping my tyres".

You know what's scary, this same psychopath will probably be eligeable for parole in 25 years. Means he'll be back on the streets when he's 46, ready to kill another 8 year old. I hope he kills himself before then.

[Josh - SilviaWa]

The cops are patroling our streets Tj, making sure the street racers arnt "street racing" Its ok to get stabed or for someone to murder someone else, but its not ok to street race..

[LNYMRKO]

It's ****ing disgusting. Some people are messed up.

Don't worry, this kid will get what's coming to him in prison. I can only imagine what other prison inmates will think of this kid, and how they will treat him inside. He will wish he is dead.

The thing is for the Police though, there is no way to predict where crimes are going to take place, so it's always going to be a cat and mouse game for them.

[///M]

she was actually killed in a shopping center toilet TJ....Livingston Shopping center

i too cant belive someone would do such a thing to someone as young as 8....
i hurd this information about 5pm yesterday and i couldnt belive it...until this morning when i hurd it on the radio....

RIP to the victim...and my thoughts to the parents and family of the child...

i hope they catch the guy and he is locked up for good..

its sad that her brother (aged 14) had to find her dead in the toilets....

[[2_FLY]]

turns out he was the trolley boy at livingstone shops
She was away from her parents for 10 minutes before her life was taken. She was found by her older brother and uncle in a toilet block.

I hope they jam razor wire in the ****s anus when he`s in jail and let him bleed to death

[TJ]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19603041-28793,00.html

an update...

[Genelle]

This is why i dont watch the news anymore, its way too disturbing.
I had to do jury duty recently and it was a similar situation, only the girls were slighly older and were left alive. he only got 6 years. Its disgusting and very disturbing that these people are really out there...

[Twe12ve]

****ed up..no longer a safe city anymore..and i thought car break ins were the worst of it..

[Muppet_Guy]

The fu(kwit will probably say he was abused as a kid, and the do-gooders will make him look like a victim here, and he'll get a 2 year suspended sentence or some crap, see it happen here all the time in this city. The police are doing a good job, it's the farken judges, lawyers and social workers that need to get their act together and actually start punishing people like that, might serve as a deterrant if they deal with things like that more harshly.

Rest In Peace little girl... my condolences to the family.

[ReaperSS]

Aparrently he killed her in the disabled toilets and the girls brother found her.

The sick prick will get 5-6 yrs jail coz he will plead insane. Then get protection in jail.
Let me at him , i will give him what he deserves
R.I.P

[princessjess]

its so awful. ive been getting goosebumps all day bout it. i lived in can'vale for a while and i know so many other ppl that do aswell and to think it happened where you go to do something as domestic as your food shopping or pay a bill,its not like it was a seedy park toilet or a dark alley in some ****ty suburb.

Eye for an eye i say...

[Fryman]

Every society has their screwups. Not validating what he has done, but there are people out there with serious issues. obviously hes one of them.

Heart goes out to the family, also makes ya think that we arent really that screwed up after all.

[Drift_R32]

bring back capital punishment..works over in asia why not here
no doubt hes going to be killed or beaten into a coma in jail but the justice system here is a joke, like its been said he will plead insanity or some retarded judge will give him a suspended sentence..

[TJ]

To add to the list of bull,

What about the girl in Collie on the weekend?

Friends killed her for nothing apparently, then just buried her under the house!

these kids seem only a few years younger then us, but are all kinds of ****ed up.

[blacklisted]

there is some sick puppys out there. cops are to bizzy on 'hoons' thay shoulds be looking for skum like him around town. and to think most of you have lil sisters i no i do and there is these sikos out and about wether its in town/partys any ware thay should be shot. if something like that happend to my sis or to one of my mates sis thayd get it.


RIP to the victim.

[Muppet_Guy]

Must be emos :asshole:

I'm kind of surprised it happened in Canning Vale, if it was Koondoola or something, yeah ok, but Canning Vale? I lived in the area a while back, and I'm moving back there to a new house next month, that shopping centre has always been quiet and peaceful, I would never had been afraid to let go of my kid (if I had one) over there, now I wouldn't be so sure... fark, u just can't trust anybody anywhere, I mean 10 minutes is all it took... I hope somebody cuts his balls off, shove em up his throat, and choke him to death in prison for what he's done. I'd sure do that myself if I was the father of this poor girl.

[Yipes]

this is near my house. I live in Livingston. I walk past these shops every day. I can't stop thinking about it. Its making me sick. How could someone do something so disgusting. I am completely freaked out. Always thought my neighbourhood was safe. I couldn't even be alone in my house this morning by myself. Forever looking over my shoulder. Toilets here at my work are the same as the ones in those shops and I have an over active imagination. Doing my head in. I Have not stopped thinking about this all day. Its a tragedy. My friend called me last night as she also lives nearby. Cant wait to see a pic of this digusting excuse for a life...... i had a feeling this morning on the way to work that I may have had a run in with this person a little while ago. Can't get the thought out of my head.

I am still shaking from this horrific news.

[Onijin]

Cut his nuts off without anaesthesia.

[Brockas]

balls smashed between two bricks.

over and over again.

still wouldn't be punishment enough.

[titmeat]

that is so sad and disgusting
imagine how the poor family are feeling

[Slip_]

I hope they jam razor wire in the ****s anus when he`s in jail and let him bleed to death

truuu dat unna...

respects to her family, that cnuts going to get hurt in lockup.

[cplagz]

Having had a mate who's been in lockup, and the stuff he's told me, cnts like this are the ones who cop the most **** in jail because generally they are too weak to defend themselves, hence why they pick on small children.

I hope this guy gets aids in jail, that would make me so happy it's not funny. Pretty morbid thought, but I would rather he gets a degenerative disease like aids then murdered/suicide as thats an easy way out. This asshole needs to suffer for what he has done.

Bring back capital punishment I say.

[[RX2]]

this is some fuct up ****
it has affected many people near & far of the area,
even at my work it has caused a stir with many people from that area .
I have heard several of the "older people" ie 50 + yrs from work saying if that was their grandchild they would kill the bloke & hapilly go to jail as they have had the chance at life ,unlike this poor girl, had the chance taken away from her.
I am sure some one either in the lock up, or before will take the chance & destroy this pathetic exuse of a human beings life.

[ReaperSS]

[QUOTE=Yipes] Cant wait to see a pic of this digusting excuse for a life......QUOTE]

The GUTLESS DOG will have his head coverd up forsure.
They should ban coverd faces.

[cplagz]

Cant wait to see a pic of this digusting excuse for a life......

The GUTLESS DOG will have his head coverd up forsure.
They should ban coverd faces.

hopefully it's covered due to the beating the cops hand out to him

[Miami]

Here ya go...

MEDIA CONFERENCE

Detective Senior Sergeant John Wibberley of Major Crime Squad will hold a media conference at Livingston Shopping Centre in Canning Vale (northern end of the shopping centre near Big W) at 12.30pm today in relation to the murder of an 8 year old girl yesterday afternoon.

Police are currently talking to a person of interest, however we are still looking for witnesses or further information and ask members of the public to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or attend at the Mobile Policing Facility which is at the shopping centre today.

Please also find attached a composite image.

http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5176335,00.jpg

THANKS

Ros Weatherall

Police Media

Phone: 9222 1217

Fax: 9222 1703

[Remix]

Reading this makes me sick, what a ****ing disgrace to humanity.

[ossie_21]

That is shocking, if someone doesn't get to him before he goes to jail I will be very surprised.

RIP

[Fozzy]

This is a tragic event and it makes me sick just thinking "people" and I use that term loosly walk the same streets as I do.

However I am going to stick up for the police here. They can not be everywhere at once. To suggest there is even one police officer in every shop in perth would be stupid.

The police had found and arressted a person within 12 hours of the offence being committed. He will face court today or tomorrow. In the case of a murder that is a pretty quick solivability rate.

I under stand people are upset about it because Indeed I am to. I do however feel the police acted fast in this matter and solved the case very quickly.. I think it is very unfair to blame the police.. You cant say it wouldnt have happened even if there was a cop in the shop next door.

The sad thing is as some have you have pointed out. The court system will let all the hard work of the police and the grieving of the family go on. Because they will let this ****ing **** of a human free after 8 years of good behaviour as he will plead insanity or some other ****ed up reason.

I dont think capital punishment is the answer.. I see capital punishment as an easy way out...

I think for serious crimes it should be LIFE inprisonment. When I say life I mean until you DIE.

Its not a big bowl of cherries in jail for people who molest, hurt, rape children.. The other crims in there dont take to lightly to those sort of offences. If you are a child molester you get bashed, raped, beaten, stabbed, poisoned and so forth. It has come to the point where most child sex offenders now have to be kept isolated.

Personally I think the best thing for them is life in the can. They should be put in the excersise yard once a week and the wardens should turn a blind eye.

[ER33CTION]

i will more than happy be willin to bash the fu** out of this sick F***.makes you think that people like this live in same community as us. feel bad for the family.

[Fozzy]

Futher to my last.

Police have realesd the young girls name Sofia Rodrigez-Urrutia-Shu.

I am sure all members of this forums thoughs and prayers go out to Sofia's family and the person who has done this gets the justice he deserves.

This event has shocked me alot and make me wonders what enjoyment this preverted prick gets out of sexualy abusing a child or anyone who has sexualy abused a child then for him to murder the girl.

It has made me very angry reading everything in relation to the event. The worse thing is they have released the girls name but to protect him they will probably not realese his name.

[TJ]

Hes 21, no reason not to release name.

If I was related id be staying in a motel or something...

[[2_FLY]]

His name was on the radio this afternoon

[Mandee]

I work in a primary school, and an 8 year old kid is still a baby mentally! An innocent mind corrupted by a sick ****er!

The sad thing is that these sort of stories are happening so often and are happening so close to home. Livingston Shopping Centre was the place of attack/murder and the young girl went to school at Mater Christi Catholic Primary School in Yangebup! The school is getting counselling over the matter. What an ordeal for children themselves to understand and deal with!

Its hard losing such an innocent life, my thoughts go out to all familiy, friends and classmates :(

[Yipes]

i still cant get over this. I'm not going home tonight. Too freaked out

[Muppet_Guy]

I've just read the fu(ker's name is Dante Wyndham Arthurs.

And maybe that is his parent's address. If theirs is not silent that is:
Arthurs R C & Se
13 Jeremiah Way Canning Vale 6155

If not the right house then oops! Wouldnt want to be there right now. Some vigilantes might be looking through the phone book too :squint:

[wadragracing]

With all due respect Daniel that's not the way to get back at him, his family may have had no influence on this.
I've been just as shocked by anyone as this and I've had to listen to it all f*cking day at work, I work at Media Monitors so I listen to the radio and monitor the news all day.
I haven't heard all the latest developments this afternoon but it seems like this f*ck was normal. Had a normal job in a normal life in a normal suburb. Who knows what was going on inside.
That's what makes it so distuburing, it could have been anyone, doing it to anyone's kid.
There are very few people I would wish death to on this planet but I would gladly off this guy myself. How dare he take some girl's life for his own sick satisfaction. Rot in hell.

[jagerbomb]

HOLY F***!!! my 11 yr old cousin ,who lives with us, goes to mater christi. one of my family has been there for last 9 yrs. its also the site of the catholic church in the yangebup parish. being parishioners, it means she probly knew the kid or else we know people who knew her. that place will b a mess for a while. just as well the kids there a a great network of families and churchgoers to support them. fark! its jus freaked me out how close to home it is. if that was my cousin, i'd b on a mission to make sure that guys life is a living hell.

i drive thru livingston quite regularly n its the perfect example of a beautiful new suburb, where mostly young couples have moved to for a family lifestyle. guess these events hav jus fukd that up! damn

[Jazza]

How the f**k do things like that happen, was the guy dropped on his head at birth time n time n time again? What the FU(K was he thinking!!!
This is just disgusting i hope he gets ass f**ked everyday in prision

[cplagz]

I have to say however, it is probably better that the girl is deceased, I would hate to think of the mental anguish she would suffer from such a traumatic experience if she was still alive.

Still wrong, but maybe her suffering is now less?

[Lozzle]

There isn't words =(

Having said that, wadragracing did well with "rot in hell".

[Joe]

They just showed the ****s face on Channel 7.

I hope he gets anally raped with a rusty knife.

[McKVNT]

Fkn sick Fker

[1JZNOSHIT]

filthy f*cken rotten scum......

hope your next meal is a 12" African c0ck you weak mother f*cker....

Raping, strangling, and breaking the arms of an 8yo girl is one of, if not the most, PISS WEAK FILTHY HORRIFYING things I have ever heard happen here in Perth.

To think (unts like that share our oxygen....Even if that pole smoker is tapped in the head, shouldnt be a reason to be any more lenient on him. I 2nd the ROT IN HELL motion.

[Drift_R32]

if he ever gets out on probation, its gonna be broadcast all over the news..IF he makes it outta prison alive that is..but hes gonna be dead for sure

[ek1civic]

I haven't heard all the latest developments this afternoon but it seems like this f*ck was normal. Had a normal job in a normal life in a normal suburb.


I know the guy who did this....i went to school with him in year 12 at North Lake Senior Campus, he used to follow me around everywhere, on the bus home and at school, even in the Livingston shops hes snuck up behind me and tapped me on the shoulder...he is definatly not normal, he has been arrested for kiddi fiddling already, last year i think, i cant remember what he did, but it was at a park in canningvale, and he pleaded some sort of insanity saying he had voices in his head.

this has had my mum freaked out all day, it could have been me, all i can say, i hope he never makes it out of jail, and i hope the police and court systems in perth learn from this, and keep a extreemly close eye on people who have been caught doing this sort of thing.

[ToYotER]

knew i heard the name somewhere.

they dont have lube in jail KARMA ****A

[hoony]

i heard this on the radio at work in early morning and for the rest of the day i was upset / disgraced that somebody like that could exist...

was hoping they would catch the guy which they did... when he goes to jail now though when all the tough k*nts find out they will be sure to hammer him and f*ck him up. which is what happens all the time when they find out these f*cked up people mess with kids

my advice to him if i could see him would be, 'i suggest you kill yourself right now because your life won't be getting any better so do yourself and the rest of the human race a favour please'

you f*cking wank*r

vent over

Andy

[///M]

i just drove past the shops cause it was on the way home....

there were box's of flowers all over the enterance floor to the shopping center....i still cant belive such a sik fu**er could bring himself to do such a thing to such a young person

[yumafia]

Those kind of ppl should be shoot at the spot. No court bull****, no jail. CHOP HIS **** OFF, THAN HIS HEAD

[jagerbomb]

i jus had a chat wif my lil cuz. turns out shes mates wif sofia's older sister, whos in her class. fark!!! this'll b around 4 a while. v v difficult to come to grips with.

[datsqik]

This guy is one sick mutt and unfortunately the streets are full of them and so are the prisons. These arsewipes are either born and bred this way or they have aquired some type pot or speed induced mental illness.Recently there has been a huge increase in drug induced mental illness in the prison population.Ive also noticed and increase in this type of sick crime. Unfortunately these arsewipes are offered protection the second they step foot into a prison and usually the end up in a crisis care type unit where they are monitored around the clock to reduce the chance of suicide until they settle into prison.They then usually end up in a protection unit where they might be with another 80 or so sick units just like themselves.Basically knowone can lay a hand on them other than one of the other protection prisoners.The whole system is pretty ****ed up but it has become this way because of prisoners getting bashed and then taking the gov to court and walking out of prison with a fist full of $$.

[Muppet_Guy]

With all due respect Daniel that's not the way to get back at him, his family may have had no influence on this.
I've been just as shocked by anyone as this and I've had to listen to it all f*cking day at work, I work at Media Monitors so I listen to the radio and monitor the news all day.
I haven't heard all the latest developments this afternoon but it seems like this f*ck was normal. Had a normal job in a normal life in a normal suburb. Who knows what was going on inside.
That's what makes it so distuburing, it could have been anyone, doing it to anyone's kid.
There are very few people I would wish death to on this planet but I would gladly off this guy myself. How dare he take some girl's life for his own sick satisfaction. Rot in hell.


Well, I haven't done anything that anyone one else would not be able to anyway, if someone wants to get back at him or his family, those details are all in the public domain Luke. ANd you may be right, his family are more than likely innocent, but you never know for sure. Either way, I drove past the house out of interest, average looking single storey corner house in front of a park. Looked empty to me, no lights, no cars in the carport.
Oh, and the scary thing is, it's like 200 metres from my new house farken!!!!! Farken great innit!?!?!? Oh, and he lives in Lake View Rise, not Livingston, but I guess it's right next to Livingston so same thing...

[ReaperSS]

If you get bashed while under protection in jail, you can sue for big $$$$.

Sux. Screws should turn a blind eye

[JBAE]

justice system in thes country is ****ed up along with alot of other things

rape murder abuse children ull get **** all maybe a few years
but fuk up with paper work or fraud or mess with money or commit a money related crime you are the ****ing devil and will cop a serve
**** useless system
hell be back in a few years to do it all again, and as someone stated above bugger all will happen to him in jail,
up side to the ****e system is it makes the consequences of vengance that little less detering

[wadragracing]

Yeah that sucks Daniel.

Anyways the sick Fu(k's photo is on the front page of the paper today, game over.

[DISTRBD]

Single gunshot to the head :mad:

[Muppet_Guy]

Single gunshot to the head :mad:

Pffff, why not a whole round...

[TJ]

posted by another forum user on another forum :


Well, the reason why this perfect example of "Hi, I'm a dickhead." lived in that area is because he has done this in the past. YES, thats right, he was sent here from the UK for his own protection about 10+ years ago because of the same thing ie. kid killed etc in toilet block.
Makes ya wonder how close was he being watched????


Now the person posting that is a Police officer, and not the type the talk crap.


Now im ****ing angry!!

[Muppet_Guy]

AHhaha, it would all make sense now. If that is true I can just imagine the further public outrage. Ridiculous how we become a dumping ground for scum like that.

[[SPESHAL]]

Bull****. He was one of the Bulger kids or whatever the name was that took that kid from shopping centre and put him on the train tracks? I call bull****.

[Joe]

I dont think its bull**** Bakka, Dan wouldnt lie about something like that..

[[SPESHAL]]

True I just read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TJ]

Yeah , I wouldnt have posted otherwsie...

[Joe]

Then again,

Pulled from Wikipedia, about the James Bulger murder:


Jon Venables and Robert Thompson, who offered no evidence in their defense, were found guilty and were sentenced to imprisonment at a young offenders institution at "Her Majesty's Pleasure"—a British legal term meaning an indefinite period.

In June 2001, after a six-month review of the case, the Parole Board ruled the boys were no longer a threat to public safety and were thus eligible for release now that the minimum tariff had expired. The Home Secretary, David Blunkett, approved the decision, and they were both released that summer. They will live out their lives on a "life licence", which allows for their immediate re-incarceration if they break the terms of their release, that is if they are seen to be a danger to the public.

So I dunno??

[Endless]

That's correct TJ, also heard that from someone i know that works in police/prison, but was told not to say anything as it hadn't been released.

****ing sickening.. Hope this **** is torchered for the rest of his life.

I feel sorry for all family involved.

RIP

[TJ]

Joe go back 5 years, he was 16, and in school :(

[Joe]

Yeah they were 10 yrs old at the time of the 1993 murder of James Bulger....so the guy is now 23 yrs old, although the news said he was 21.

That could be because he is assuming a new name, he could also be assuming a new age too?

[Joe]

Taken from The West Australian, about the murderer..


For much of his childhood Mr Arthurs, who works part-time at a shop, lived in England, but he returned to Perth with his family in 2001 to complete high school.

Jon Venables and Robert Thompson, the murderers of James Bulger, were released from detention in 2001, in England.

[TJ]

An entire new life, so a lie about the age wouldnt be an issue would it?

[Joe]

Yeah, true..

[wadragracing]

That's fu(king worrying, will have to see how the news develops.

[Joe]

http://www.karisable.com/mbulg.htm


New Zealand headlines suggested that New Zealand might be asked to 'host' the murderers, and because of the threats of revenge by vigilantes.

Not sure what happened with it, but maybe Australia were also approached?

[wadragracing]

Guys this keeps getting closer...Jon Venables' (one of the Bulger killers) mother's name was Susan.
The woman quoted as "Dante Arthurs" mother on the front page of The West today is Suzanne.

[Mistikal]

Just had a look in a (VERY PRIVATE) database I have here at work, and the name doesn't match the suburb, which means they are a private owner, or renting their property privately.

I also did a few online map lookups, and the area that the address that is listed a few posts back, is a relativley new area, so most of the people in there would be privately owning and would have built their own home or recently purchaced, so I doubt he resides at the address posted above (unless the house was bought for them, which my system would have told me)

... but in saying all this, it could mean that the guys name, is an alias - our system doesn't store aliases.

andy

[Joe]

DHW??

[Muppet_Guy]

Haha, we're the Antilag investigative team :lol:

It could be true, he was previously known to police for similar type of crimes, I guess we'll see how it develops, are there any pictures of the UK killers out there? We could compare those and we'll have the case solved :poke:

[wadragracing]

Department of Housing and Works

[Muppet_Guy]

EDIT: removed too :boink:

[Mistikal]

All I was saying, was that he's not on the database I have access to :)

andy

[Joe]

Are there any pictures of the UK killers out there? We could compare those and we'll have the case solved :poke:

Thompson on left, Venables on right

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/EVLR33/_39184423_thompson_venables.jpg

Arthurs

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/EVLR33/100-gen28dante.jpg

Its NOT Thompson, he is living in England and this has been verified.

[Muppet_Guy]

Looks like Venables to me alright... sonovabitch!!!

[Mistikal]

You'd need a closer, more accurate, picture of both "Arthurs" and "Venables" to be able to pick which is which. From those pics, the only similarity to me is the hair color, and fair skin.

andy

[Joe]

No recent photos of Venables available, because some Judge imposed a media ban after their release in the UK..

[Muppet_Guy]

Nah, they look quite similar actually, just trying to picture how Venables would age after 15 years, and he would surely look something like Arthurs does...

[TJ]

game over...

I just got this from a good friend... not written by her and id rather not name who wrote it.

edited only for name



Hello friends
I am just so angry, frustrated and really upset at what has happened at the Livingston Shopping Centre that I needed to let you all know the "truth" behind the mongrel murderer.
About 3 yrs ago when I was working at the prison we found out that one of the boys (at the time aged about 12) that abducted James Bulger from a shopping centre in the U.K., then brutally raped and murdered him, had reached the age of 18 and had been sent out to Australia with a new identity for his family, etc. Long story short is that he was given the name of Dante Arthurs, his grandfather's name is Arthur Dante, and his family moved into a house in Canning Vale. When the prison staff got wind of this it was all supposed to be kept hushed up, it was some sort of prisoner exchange deal the Aust Govt set up. Soon after he got here he assaulted a 12 yrd old girl in a park in Canning Vale and consequently came to Hakea prison but for only about 6 weeks as they couldn't get enough evidence on him and the incident was brushed under the mat.
His parents used to visit him and their photos were on the computers at work and I clearly recall seeing his mum at the Livingston shops one day. I even had his address and because I've got friends and family in the area, I felt I had a right to tell them, stuff the prisons!!
I had even driven past his house in Lakeview Rise estate in Canning Vale!
Anyway when this happened yesterday I said to Ron, it'd be interesting to see if it's that Dante Arthurs guy from the U.K. and sure enough today we find out that it is him. I am, along with a lot of others, absolutely furious that the mongrel arsehole was allowed to come here via the Govt in the first place and that he was allowed to appear to live a normal life!! Why haven't the police done something about this - he should not be allowed to breathe air, he is the scum of the earth. And tonight he would be sitting back in a comfortable cell in prison, having just had a reasonable hot dinner and be watching TV!
That innocent little girl and her poor family will never ever be the same again - all because the piss weak Justice System and Govt allowed him to live in our country! There is a register for paedophiles so that the community are allowed to know where they're living and yet this piece of **** can live on our back door step with a new identity. People winge about illegal immigrants, what about this?
It will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few days, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's whisked out of the country in the same manner he was bought here, then again knowing our pathetic laws, we'll probably keep him here in our justice system, costing tax payers hundreds of thousands of dollars to feed and entertain him PLUS the do-gooders will believe in their minds that they can rehabilitate him!
I was just going to type "sorry " but I'm not at all sorry for alerting my friends to something that should be publicly known.
Stay safe, talk soon.


:(

[flamo_damo]

hmmmm very interesting how our governement would let him in the country and then he commits a similar crime he should be sent away from here

[wadragracing]

Hmm interesting...that email sounds a bit like those hoax ones you occasionally see but all the same there is some decent detail.

[Mistikal]

Well there you go...

andy

[Yipes]

i remember that assault on the 12 year old girl! Yuk yuk yuk!! Way too close to home.

[Muppet_Guy]

Hahaha. if it's true somebody's head is gonna roll fo shizzle! :)

[TJ]

No haha in any of this id dare say.

[DRKWRX]

if you look at the venables pic and the arthurs one they do look very very similar , look at there nose!

[blacklisted]

Thompson on left, Venables on right

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/EVLR33/_39184423_thompson_venables.jpg

Arthurs

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/EVLR33/100-gen28dante.jpg

Its NOT Thompson, he is living in England and this has been verified.


it is that dude my nana was from england and said its the same boy as the one who did that. we just changed his name and stuff. ill chat to her to nite and find out more

[Remix]

This must be circulating pretty damn quickly. I just got the same email randomly from a Wesfarmers Insurance address to my Department of Health address!


game over...

I just got this from a good friend... not written by her and id rather not name who wrote it.

edited only for name




:(

[Joe]

Fark eh..

[wadragracing]

Don't expect this to break in the media too soon if it is true, there are laws against covering someone's past in the media before their trial because of due process. Regardless I would say some hints would be dropped, and indeed may already have been dropped, ie the cryptic statement by the mother on the front page today.

[ReaperSS]

Wonder if the media knows? Havnt heard fu(k all yet

[Remix]

There are no laws governing distribution of information on the internet however!


Don't expect this to break in the media too soon if it is true, there are laws against covering someone's past in the media before their trial because of due process. Regardless I would say some hints would be dropped, and indeed may already have been dropped, ie the cryptic statement by the mother on the front page today.

[Twe12ve]

This must be circulating pretty damn quickly. I just got the same email randomly from a Wesfarmers Insurance address to my Department of Health address!

i got in dubai yesterday as well...looks like we all have the same "good friend" in the justice dept.

[Mistikal]

Not a great photo, but it's better than some pissy little one:

http://i4.tinypic.com/15zqb6e.jpg

andy

[wadragracing]

Wonder if the media knows? Havnt heard fu(k all yet
Hence my comment. If we know they know.

Remix, there are some laws, and though I'm not a legal expert it could be argued that he did not get a fair trial if the information on the internet became too well known. But I think that just means it goes to a judge instead of jury. Someone with a law degree correct me :dizzy:

[Brockas]

game over...

I just got this from a good friend... not written by her and id rather not name who wrote it.

edited only for name
Uhh dude, everyone I know also got sent that. It's just a chain mail, nothing "secretive".

I suspect it's 100% bullshi (http://)t.

[TJ]

Yes but dude, It got sent to me not in a bulk email to 1000 people from a random, it was from someone related to the writer.

[Brockas]

By the way, is it just me or does that Dante Arthurs dude look absolutely nothing like the suspect portrait that was released.

[TJ]

Can you say “armchair activism”? -_-‘
I don’t believe in email being a “true” medium/forum for “controlled” information.
I would just like ask; do you know the author of the attachment personally?
Don’t get caught in the hype and “injustice”/ “paranoia” associated with these cases. The language used by the attachments author mean he/she is most definitely personally invested. Is there true evidence against this child killer?? It could be another “there was no plane” argument… J lol
I find the links between the “evidence” interesting but I doubt the man would be able to purchase a ticket to England If he was deported for a crime.
New life or not, we are still a commonwealth country and subject to the whims of H.R. Majesty’s govt. this would mean that he has many different departments watching him. Not just local police and federal police. If he truly was an exchange – he would be controlled in his movements and subject to parole restrictions tighter than you would expect for a normal prisoner.
Please don’t forward this as you will fan the flames of an already paranoid public and soon we will have a bonfire of lynch mobs out for a man that may or may not be involved. No, I’m not waxing lyrical. It’s just true.


I just got that sent to me too...

[Twe12ve]

Yes but dude, It got sent to me not in a bulk email to 1000 people from a random, it was from someone related to the writer.

yeah when it was sent to you it was BCCD to me and 7000 others.

[Muppet_Guy]

By the way, is it just me or does that Dante Arthurs dude look absolutely nothing like the suspect portrait that was released.

Maybe he was wearing a wig :coocoo: Fu(k knows...

[Twe12ve]

By the way, is it just me or does that Dante Arthurs dude look absolutely nothing like the suspect portrait that was released.

agreed..he looks nothing like him at all..

[Brockas]

Maybe he was wearing a wig :coocoo: Fu(k knows...
Highly doubt it, seems like a spur of the moment crime to me. Not thought out. He saw an opportunity and took it.

[RO4DST4R]

I'm generally not a big believer is chain emails.... but whether the cases are related or unrelated they are both very disturbing.

[Denver]

given there are various people with friends who are members of the police force who have basically confirmed it, it seems highly likely, as i said on another forum, the commissioner of the force himself went to the crime scene and made a public statement, him making a statement isn't un common, him going to the crime scene and then talking about it is, he rarely gets his hands dirty, he is a pr man.. the way he also said "i obviously know a lot more detail", means to me indicates more to it than being released in the mass media, i could be reading into it a bit much, but his apperance at the scene and then making a statement, is HIGHLY unusual of him, and would point to something big behind it..

that and they seemed to know very very quickly who it was that was responsible..

as for the identakit, it got released the morning they arrested this guy, so maybe it was a put off to give them some questioning time for the alledged..

given the girls brother was chasing him, and would have been behind him, he had a very good face description for them..

and as pointed out, the photo from the paper is nothing like the one in the kit, but if you look at the hair line of alleged, and the hair line of the venabals photo, you can see to the left the part, which with a bit of hair recession would look pretty close to the alledged..

not gunna jump on the yes it is wagan, but, it seems highely likely

[Endless]

Interesting how they arrested him the next day, at 4am, while he was asleep in his house also.

[ReaperSS]

Interesting how they arrested him the next day, at 4am, while he was asleep in his house also.

Its as if the cops knew strait away hey

[Remix]

They reviewed video camera footage from the shopping centre. He was recognized as an employee of the shopping centre (trolley boy) hence being caught so quickly. Nothing x-file about it.

[Brockas]

Denver, the commissioner showing up would be unusual if it was any other case, but the whole city is talking about this, I think it's normal he made such an effort.

Considering the number of security cameras and witnesses at a shopping centre, it's not surprising that they caught this guy quickly. They would have also had half the force investigating it.

It says the guy ran past the brother, so the brother would have seen his face.

[Yipes]

the media knows, dw about that.
I hope the little girl haunts him forever. Piece of ****.

[cplagz]

try and get close up of his ear, its one of the discerning characteristics of the human body.

[WRCjosh]

look at a foto of Jon Venables and compare to the one on the front page of the paper. Quite simmilar you'll find

[[RX2]]

from what Mel(ek1civic) said a few pages ago, when Dante had spoken to her - he had a very strong english accent :boink:

[FIL]

got that very same email sitting here TJ

[RICEY]

I too got that email word for word today haha.

Saying that its very possible that its true. If it is the govt has a lot to answer for for allowing someone like that to live here amongst us.

[RICEY]

Found this on the net...

Some versions of the petition (including the one above) claim that the boys were to be relocated to Australia. However, given that the boys are to remain indefinitely under the supervision of UK authorities as a condition of release, this seems unlikely. It is also highly improbable that the Australian government would have agreed to such a relocation.

Can only hope thats true....

I also want to know why the West Australian interviewed his mother a year ago...


The mother of a man accused of murdering an eight-year-old schoolgirl inside a Perth shopping centre toilet told The West Australian last year that he "hasn't got a violent bone in his body".

Speaking to a reporter about an unrelated matter, Suzanne Arthurs said her baby-faced 21-year-old son Dante - now at the centre of one of the State's most chilling murder cases - did not have a criminal record.

For legal reasons The West Australian cannot reveal why Mrs Arthurs and her son spoke to the newspaper this time last year.

[[RX2]]

I also want to know why the West Australian interviewed his mother a year ago...
i would say regardless of him being the guy from the UK or not, this Dante fiddler has been in the sh it already, for something to do with some kid(s) in Canning Vale area already.

**may have not been charged tho***

[RICEY]

Im gonna try and find out tonight at work what the interview was about..

[Yipes]

Ricey, his mother made that statement in relation to..

He was suspected of assaulting a 12yo girl in a park in a Canning Vale estate. I Can't think of the name of the estate, its behind Livingston, across from the estate he lives in, the names escaped me. The park is near the railway on the entrance to the estate. He got off due to not enough evidence.

[Muppet_Guy]

Well, then his mother is obviously full of sh|t!

[TJ]

Or protecting her son, funny that, protecting the ones you love.

[Yipes]

Well, then his mother is obviously full of sh|t!
they are part of a protection scheme.

If this is 'Venables' he is not Venables in australia. He is Arthurs. As far as they are concerned its a new life. They have no past.

Should have left him in the UK (if it is him) and he would have got what was coming for him, which was the reason they were sending him away in the first place. Screwed up world sometimes.

[Muppet_Guy]

Just because he has changed his name doesn't change the fact that since he's done it in the past, he's still got it, and probably will always have that something that makes him do things like that. Come on, at the age of 12 or whatever he was, to murder someone like that, you gotta have something pernamently fu(ked up in you, whatever it is, it made him do the same horrible thing again. Now the mother fu(ken knows that, she's only bull****ting to cover herself and their identity, so like I said, she is full of sh|t! He might have not done much wrong (at least up to 2 days ago) under the Arthurs name, but still the same person, still capable of this crap, yes, he is violent. The mother therefore is a lying b|tch, and should have protected the community and not his a$$. ANd yes, it is motherly love I guess... dunno what I would do in her situation though, probably disown the kid.

[Sciflyer]

I just saw on the news the police have come out and said the emails and rumours that are circulating, and any links to anyone from the UK are false.

Now i dont trust police further than i could throw em so they could just be saying that to prevent any trial being prejudiced, but i just thought i'd bring it to the thread... :werd:

[Twe12ve]

I just saw on the news the police have come out and said the emails and rumours that are circulating, and any links to anyone from the UK are false.

Now i dont trust police further than i could throw em so they could just be saying that to prevent any trial being prejudiced, but i just thought i'd bring it to the thread... :werd:

TJ man call your "source" and tell em to get their facts straight.

[TJ]

TJ man call your "source" and tell em to get their facts straight.


How about you do some of your own research before you get all high and mighty

The news report reads

"police will neither confirm or deny the rumours"

In other words, they wont release the info because they know the crap its going to cause. The media is gagged from releasing the info so they wont, The police dont want to look like fools.

Be crazy to not see how obvious even without the info I have.

[Twe12ve]

Be crazy to not see how obvious even without the info I have.

cmon man spill the beans!!!! what do you know that the rest of the public doesnt? cmon man shed some light on what really happened - it might help solve the case!

[datsqik]

No comment

[TJ]

cmon man spill the beans!!!! what do you know that the rest of the public doesnt? cmon man shed some light on what really happened - it might help solve the case!


Jesus this is great, turning a massive tragedy into childish bantering.

Im not going to be posting the names of ppl that have supplied the info, and ive posted the gist of whats been said by them. Youve got no choice but to respect that.

What case is there to solve. Im going to go out on a ledge, and say that its pretty obvious who the killer is, what was done to that poor innocent girl and how it was done.

Have you got no repsect whatsoever. Dont worry about point scoring against me, worry how the **** something like this happens. Worry about how that family is feeling, and quite honestly, a heap of people who have never met her or ever will because of this filth. I know I shed a tear over it. Now you can choose to care or not, not my problem. If you dont stay out of this thread Brendan, simple.

[Macca]

the assholes picture was on the front of todays paper

[Twe12ve]

im asking to post what you know - not names, if you know info, surely other people know it too - why boast about having it and not tell anyone?

[TJ]

Read the thread Brendan, ive posted it already.

Any more posts relating to this are going to be deleted. This isnt silviawa , there is a limit to what ill allow.

[McKVNT]

I dont think he's boasting dude...

[Macca]

http://www.thewest.com.au/

[Yipes]

Now the mother fu(ken knows that, she's only bull****ting to cover herself and their identity, so like I said, she is full of sh|t! He might have not done much wrong (at least up to 2 days ago) under the Arthurs name, but still the same person, still capable of this crap, yes, he is violent. The mother therefore is a lying b|tch, and should have protected the community and not his a$$. ANd yes, it is motherly love I guess... dunno what I would do in her situation though, probably disown the kid.
u dont get it do u?

If it is him and his family, they are here to not be identified. She is not going to jeopordise there future. they are here to start again. I dont understand how u find that so hard to understand?

Edited by tj - keep the personal crap out of it.

[SILV14]

hmm tj - that wasnt exactly the quote tho on the news tonight - police and prosecutors office made joint statement that were much more certain - that they have liased with UK and confirmed this he had "nothing to do" with the 1993 bulger case "or any other homicide in England".. and that the detail of the rumours is "completely false".

Again - who knows what theyd say if it were actually true - but just want to present the actual statements from the police which wasnt 'cant confirm or deny'.

The easiest way to dispell any incertainty is to work out the only bit of the 'email' that could not be coincidental... if Venables grandfather really did have that name... that would be just too much to deny ... but the 2001 move from England etc is still well within realms of coincidence. So someone find some concrete evidence of Jon Venables' grandfathers name = the answer solved as to if email is a hoax.

[JBAE]

a member on perth rotary was saying in our thread about this how a close friend of his was stalked by this **** few years back

[Brockas]

Conspiracy rumours are bull****.

Let go.

Some things are that simple and uncomplicated.

All these crap rumours do is take the focus away from what happened.

[JBAE]

yeh but what must have inspired the intial thought to make the connection between the 2 parties about the english **** and this **** here in oz i mean they wouldnt have just pulled a name out of a hat but then again could be a very clever **** stirrer

[[RX2]]

a member on perth rotary was saying in our thread about this how a close friend of his was stalked by this **** few years back
thats correct , & it was me .... she has posted in this thread a few pages back already about it :)

[hoony]

The easiest way to dispell any incertainty is to work out the only bit of the 'email' that could not be coincidental... if Venables grandfather really did have that name... that would be just too much to deny ... but the 2001 move from England etc is still well within realms of coincidence. So someone find some concrete evidence of Jon Venables' grandfathers name = the answer solved as to if email is a hoax.
this Dante guy is not Venables from the Bulger case or whatever... he was the 'Robert Thompson' kid...

so if you want to know Arthurs grandfather's name look up for Robert Thompson

i saw a mug shot of the two kids together and Thompson and Arthurs look REALLY similar if you ask me...

no doubt in my mind that it's a high possibilty it is the same person

my2c

Andy

[Denver]

Again - who knows what theyd say if it were actually true - but just want to present the actual statements from the police which wasnt 'cant confirm or deny'.

It is true, well, according to the people i know who are part of the wa police force..

So im pegging the statement tonight is a denial, stop to consider for a minute this..

When/if it comes out publicly, that one of the people who murdered james bulger, is now living in aus, and has now committed the crime against the 8 yr old girl sophia.. Just think how MASSIVE the public backlash is going to be, people will be livid, they will want blood, goverment ministers will run for the hills as they get bombarded with calls of angry and upset people, wanting to know, just how, such a menace to everyone was allowed to live in the burbs with us..

Right now, im betting people are in damage control, and trying to formulate the best way to sweep this under the carpet, and given that there was a lot more cars outside parliment today than normal, and the premier is in china, im guessing there are a lot of busy people trying to figure out what to tell the public..

There is also the legal implications for the court case, there will never be a full body of people they can have as a jury, because they will have a pre determined view against him for his past crimes, so it'd then have to go to a group of judges..

That said, im not doubting it, to many highly reliable sources have confirmed this for me personally... And i do hope it becomes public, but, im going to bet it doesn't come out in a hurry, alteast until after the trial..

[Mistikal]

Same nose, same jaw line, similar (yet slightly different due to age) ears, same color hair, very pale skin...

andy

[Onijin]

It'd be interesting to see which government was responsible for allowing him to come over here in the first place.

[Denver]

it'll be a commonwealth thing at a guess to allow a criminal of that nature to live here..

IF it is him

[RICEY]

According to the West it isnt true. He cant be the Bulger killer as he was born in Perth and theres a birth notice to show it. The Bulger killers were both born and raised in the UK. He was questioned last year as to whether he was the Bulger killer and denied it then. Police were unable to prove it back then either. The family lived about 600miles from the murder location in the UK and moved to perth in 2002 around the same time the killers were released which caused the rumours to start. The mother has stated she has photos of her son at that age to prove he isnt the same kid.

Now the West Australian is known to be anti govt and quite happy to publish suspected corruption in the Police force. They have nothing to gain by saying hes not the Bulger killer. In fact they would sell more papers if they stated the opposite.

Saying that though the theory of Robert thompson and Dante Arthurs being the same person does make a lot of sense. So is it a huge coverup? Who really knows.

[RICEY]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/markrice/100_0036Large.jpg

[Lonewolf]

interesting theory, but likely to not be true.
interesting co-incidences, being that theyre around the same age, both were in the UK at the same time, he moved at the same time that they were relocated.

it is possible that the birth notice is fake (id rather see the birth certificate), as not many people would have the paper from that day stored to refute it.

how many co-incidences make a conspiracy?

sort of sad to see that the tradgedy thats happened here has been somewhat overshadowed by this.

[RICEY]

interesting theory, but likely to not be true.
interesting co-incidences, being that theyre around the same age, both were in the UK at the same time, he moved at the same time that they were relocated.

Like it says they lived 600miles from the murder scene, thats like 1000kms. The UK is a big place. And as for being the same age he wouldnt be the only one. The only real coincidence is the time they moved to perth though Im sure a lot of other pommy families moved to perth in 2002 also.


it is possible that the birth notice is fake (id rather see the birth certificate), as not many people would have the paper from that day stored to refute it.

No not many people would have but the West Australian does because thats where it was originally published.


how many co-incidences make a conspiracy?

sort of sad to see that the tradgedy thats happened here has been somewhat overshadowed by this.

I can only really see one coincidence and thats the time they moved to Perth.

I agree, regardless of what he may or may not have done in the past that innocent girl did not deserve to die.

[Lonewolf]

agreed, but if it was a cover up:
a) there isnt much proof atm that they actually were 600miles away at the time, and b) yes id expect the west australian does have the copy, i suggest not many others would, making it hard to confirm or deny a cover up.

[FIL]

there's also a copy archived at the state library in northbridge if you feel like checking :)

[Joe]

Ok fair enough..

BUT

What I cant understand is, WHY did they question him in 2004 about his identity??

[wadragracing]

Cause he was alleged of kiddy fiddling, had a British accent, people probably put it together.

[RICEY]

agreed, but if it was a cover up:
a) there isnt much proof atm that they actually were 600miles away at the time, and b) yes id expect the west australian does have the copy, i suggest not many others would, making it hard to confirm or deny a cover up.


I could understand the Poice and Govt wanting to cover it up if it were true but the paper has no reason too...

[datsqik]

The media could also want to cover it up because if his past is true then he wouldnt get a fair trial and could walk on those grounds. This rumor started a couple of years ago when he was first remanded in custody at hakea prison for allegedly trying to tamper with a young girl.This was supposed to be all hush hush and for those in the know only in the prison system.The rumor was that both these boys had been sent to australia with new identities and that one of them was now in prison going by the name arthurs and that the other had moved on.Going by the way that the prisons administration reacted to the rumor i thought they there was a fair chance of it being true.This is basically where this current rumor has stemed from.A few prison officers that live in the canningvale area have allways been wary of this arsewipe and what he could do to there kids.

[Joe]

Whats with the birth notice then?

[Lonewolf]

most of the media reports ive seen now have mentioned that the police have wanted all media releases to not perpetuate the rumour as it may affect the outcome of the guys trial.
If the police came to the editor and said "hey, if you write that, theres no chance the guy is going to get convicted" you'd think twice about it. Plus theres always the offer of cash or scoops on stories in the future. Plus they cant comment on the 2004 incident for "legal reasons".

[RICEY]

The West isnt exactly known for cooperating with the Govt. Look how hard they went after Derozario and didnt let up till he was gone. Theres plenty more examples too. Dont underestimate the power of the media more often than not they dictate what the govt does.

[Muppet_Guy]

If 'the truth' (whatever it may be) does not come out now, it will definately come out when the (unt is sentenced... there will be no legal reason to keep that info suppressed. There might be a political reason but that is a totally different issue then...

[Joe]

The West isnt exactly known for cooperating with the Govt. Look how hard they went after Derozario and didnt let up till he was gone. Theres plenty more examples too. Dont underestimate the power of the media more often than not they dictate what the govt does.

Police and Govt are two different things.

Police would have their own separate public affairs department which co-operates with all the newspapers. I'm sure they'd have a good working relationship.

[RICEY]

I dunno they seem keen on this whole Police corruption story thats been running the past week or so.

[Denver]

Police corruption is one thing, this is another..

EVERY media outlet will kiss ass with the police, goverment, and vice versa, if they don't they don't get media articles in the future, its the way it works, so they will write what the police want in a circumstance like this, if they come out now its the same guy, forget a fair trial, forget getting the guy convicted, he'll walk, again..

There will also be a lot of gag and supression going on, ive no doubt people will be dying to publicise this but can't due to them being in serious trouble if they make it public domain... Im still a beliver from what ive been told by people who'd know, im not convinced otherwise...

the trurth will eventually be known i guess, just when, will have to be seen

[RICEY]

Police corruption is one thing, this is another..

EVERY media outlet will kiss ass with the police, goverment, and vice versa, if they don't they don't get media articles in the future, its the way it works, so they will write what the police want in a circumstance like this, if they come out now its the same guy, forget a fair trial, forget getting the guy convicted, he'll walk, again..

There will also be a lot of gag and supression going on, ive no doubt people will be dying to publicise this but can't due to them being in serious trouble if they make it public domain... Im still a beliver from what ive been told by people who'd know, im not convinced otherwise...

the trurth will eventually be known i guess, just when, will have to be seen

You obviously dont read the paper if you think they kiss ass. And please tell me your not stupid enough to believe the govt, police etc "give" the West their articles.

[Joe]

Dont forget the complete media and information embargo that was imposed in the UK on the James Bulger killers....this still counts, and if Australia did do a deal with the UK to have the guy here, they would be imposed with this also.

[ReaperSS]

If i were the perants i would demand to know if he is the english killer and is he is i wouldnt give a crap i would hold a press confrence.
I wouldnt give a fu(k at all if it stuffs up his trial.If its him then he should go down in flames and burn forever in hell.
1 thing we know for sure it that thay have caught the right killer which is the best news possible.

[ReaperSS]

What would the penalty be if the media comes out and says this is all true? Must be bad

[Muppet_Guy]

The West is pretty much the only local newspaper here in WA isn't it, it's not like there's a competing paper that is gonna get a preference to any scoops or anything that the govt can wave its carrot at. Govt cannot supress media directly, but judges can, so that is what could be happening at the moment. Either way, it will come out sooner or later. Whether the guy gets a fair trial or not, he's screwed. Even if he doesnt get a fair trial, he wont be let go on this bs 'technicality', there will be too much pressure from the public to get this (unt to crash and burn.

[Denver]

You obviously dont read the paper if you think they kiss ass. And please tell me your not stupid enough to believe the govt, police etc "give" the West their articles.
I read the paper plenty, i also read into what is being said..

to put it simply, if im a reporter, and i want to get the inside scoop with the cops, im going to write favourably for them so as to avoid pissing them off, and them favouring another reporter, another media outlet etc..

so for now, they'll stick with the standard denial 101, untill such a time that the turth comes come out, and they wave the scape goat for all to take the punishment of the new paper reports to flame the hell out of..

That said it'll be a goverment head not a police head for it..

The media, no matter what outlet, is programable by the police/goverment to work things in there favour, how do you think elections are won..

[RICEY]

Dont forget the complete media and information embargo that was imposed in the UK on the James Bulger killers....this still counts, and if Australia did do a deal with the UK to have the guy here, they would be imposed with this also.

If that was the case the West wouldnt have been able to publish information regarding the Bulger killings at all.

[Denver]

the embargo was place on the new identities they had been given, not the old murder case, and who they where back then

[RICEY]

I read the paper plenty, i also read into what is being said..

to put it simply, if im a reporter, and i want to get the inside scoop with the cops, im going to write favourably for them so as to avoid pissing them off, and them favouring another reporter, another media outlet etc..

Favourable stories dont get readers. Controversy gets readers and this doesnt come from writing nice heart warming stories about the Police.


so for now, they'll stick with the standard denial 101, untill such a time that the turth comes come out, and they wave the scape goat for all to take the punishment of the new paper reports to flame the hell out of..

That said it'll be a goverment head not a police head for it..

The paper would not state that the rumoured connection is false if it knew that wasnt true. The paper would be shooting itself in the foot. Think about it, if a gag order was put in place the paper would say nothing.


The media, no matter what outlet, is programable by the police/goverment to work things in there favour, how do you think elections are won..

It works both ways, the media has to power to influence political and police decisions. The West has no qualms about bagging out politicians and questioning the activities of members of the police force. i wouldnt call that being programmed would you?

[Miami]

This rumor started a couple of years ago when he was first remanded in custody at hakea prison for allegedly trying to tamper with a young girl.

Hang on, I want to clarify this one.

So he has previously been arrested/alleged to have been involved in a similar incident? I do remember reading/hearing an interview with a police officer shortly after if happened saying something along the lines of that he was known to police.

That being the case, why was he not put on the register I thought they had set-up for child sex offenders?

[Mistikal]

Just heard news on the radio that this guys house got vandalised last night...

andy

[Yipes]

Because he wasn't charged with anything. Its been said several times in this thread.


Cliff notes...
12mths ago, asaulted a 12yo in a park in Canning Vale, not enough evidence, no charges laid.

[RICEY]

Just heard news on the radio that this guys house got vandalised last night...

andy

I think its unfair to damage his parents property as it is possible that they had no idea what their son was like.

[Muppet_Guy]

Haha, that was expected! Feel sorry for the parents though... Hope this quietens down soon, don't want that sort of crap happening near my house...

[fluent]

Was reading this thread when i recalled something :O .. Posted it on silviawa.. but here's the copy:

I just recalled something...

About a week ago... I was sitting in bus (City to Garden City) on way home, after exam on the right hand side just past the rear doors, this chick was sitting on the left side next to me and this freaky dude who looked similiar to Arthur was sitting at the right side in those big spaced old people's seats...

Anyways.. He was starring at her NON-STOP with this crazy/mental/evil/fked up look in his eye for like 15mins...
Eventually freaked her out enough that she had to move and sit behind me.
The wierd dude tried to keep starring, but he caught my eye and stopped starring at her for a while and faced the side window...
Then some old people came along and sat in seats behind him blocking his view.. but he still had that mad/evil look in his eye every now and then trying to stare at the lady behind me :wacko:

Just thought about this... because it just occured to me shortly after seeing the photos of Arthur that he looked very very similiar to the deranged man on the bus. I seem to recall him as being slightly fatter but similiar face and the same wierd fuked up eyes.

Even if its not the same person... perth is getting a lot of FUKED UP people.

Bring on Capital Punishment :devil:

--
Edit: Apologies if anyone mentioned was in the above post... just had to post it.. coz it was fked up.

[Lonewolf]

apparently he's at graylands..... better not get off with ****ing insanity plea.

[Onijin]

I think there'd be a riot if that happened.

[JBAE]

^ there had bloody better be if he did the public needs to show some balls and not let this go down lightly too many peices of **** get away with to much

[BOSS 290]

According to the West it isnt true. He cant be the Bulger killer as he was born in Perth and theres a birth notice to show it. The Bulger killers were both born and raised in the UK. He was questioned last year as to whether he was the Bulger killer and denied it then. Police were unable to prove it back then either. The family lived about 600miles from the murder location in the UK and moved to perth in 2002 around the same time the killers were released which caused the rumours to start. The mother has stated she has photos of her son at that age to prove he isnt the same kid.

Now the West Australian is known to be anti govt and quite happy to publish suspected corruption in the Police force. They have nothing to gain by saying hes not the Bulger killer. In fact they would sell more papers if they stated the opposite.

Saying that though the theory of Robert thompson and Dante Arthurs being the same person does make a lot of sense. So is it a huge coverup? Who really knows.

If this guy is Robert Thompson, they wouldn't have given Dante Athurs the same birthdate as RT. None of the details on the Birth Certificate would be the same. Changing identities is doing just that, not just a name change. It's a glaringly obvious fact, but one that is overlooked by the masses.

The Police saying he's not Robert Thompson, because they say so, has no credibility. Royal Commissions into Police corruption aren't held every 15-20 years just for shyts and giggles.

Having said that, I don't know if he is or isn't the guy. The higher the level of Government that gets involved (such as the Justice Minister Chris Ellison), the more I become suspicious. Remember, these folk are the same people that told everyone Saddam had WMD's.

What I do think is sending him to Graylands hospital is a waste of time.The Germans and Japanese used some excellent tortures techniques during the 2nd world war that perhaps could be implemented as punishment for this piece of trash.

[BOSS 290]

Further to that, what is wrong with the legal system when the media are not allowed to print/televise these stories for fear of the alleged perpetrator's trail being prejudiced? What about the victims/families rights?

Too many farken do-gooders looking after the crims and not the victims imo.

[ReaperSS]

An AK-47 should be pulled out and put to good use on this prick

[ToYotER]

I think the answer is

40 Gallon Drum
Acid
Shovel
Carton of piss for the drive home.

[OneJ]

Kill the **** i say. No ****ing questions asked. If this was him, kill the ****. Slow and painful.

[Brockas]

If this guy doesn't get sentenced to rot in jail for the rest of his life then there should be riots outside parliment house.

[ToYotER]

and then you have Mrs Corby in jail for trafficing drugs... WOW!! thats so much worse than killing an inocent girl

talk about justice in the world

[Brockas]

Don't drag that stupid shit in here for fucks sake.

Keep it on topic.

[wadragracing]

Hang on, I want to clarify this one.

So he has previously been arrested/alleged to have been involved in a similar incident? I do remember reading/hearing an interview with a police officer shortly after if happened saying something along the lines of that he was known to police.

That being the case, why was he not put on the register I thought they had set-up for child sex offenders?
He wasn't convicted AFAIK so therefore he wouldn't be on the register.

Further to that, what is wrong with the legal system when the media are not allowed to print/televise these stories for fear of the alleged perpetrator's trail being prejudiced? What about the victims/families rights?

Too many farken do-gooders looking after the crims and not the victims imo.
Cause that's the law and the principal our society works on, everyone is entitled to a fair trial, innocent until proven guilty (unless you are a HOON!).
It's better that if it is true we let it all go now and let the trial take place, give the sick fukker his sentence and then let all the revelations take place.

[Muppet_Guy]

Public won't let him go away unpunished that's for sure. Went down to the shopping centre with my gf yesterday, so many people turned up there, so many flowers and stuff in the toilet passage, and I don't think I saw one person there not crying, or at least not having teary eyes. With that sort of emotion out there I don't think any politician or judge is gonna let him go with a crappy sentence. (I hope so anyway)

[nightwish_girl]

I'm going down today, because I went to school with the kid and I knew him. Not well, but I did talk to him. He's meant to be going back to school today, and I'm going down to be one of the people to support him. Nothing will ever bring back his sister, and he is going to have to live with the memory of how he last saw her, so for that I hope the bastard has to see what she looked like after he finished with her. No matter whether mentally disturbed or not, the community and the justice system should deal with him according to his crimes. The more I think about this guy being loose on the streets, the more I worry that something may happen to my little brother, or to me while just doing normal, everyday things. I wish I could say her death is going to change something, make a difference somehow to the way these disgusting monsters are treated, but it won't. People may get all up in arms now, but in 6 months time, people will be like 'what are you talking about?' I hope he gets into jail and they don't kill him, but make his life a living torment. That would be the biggest boon we could get. That he gets life, and everyday of it, he ends up being completely destroyed as a person. And he has to live with the consequences of his actions.


My support goes out to everyone involved.

[cplagz]

I'm going down today, because I went to school with the kid and I knew him. Not well, but I did talk to him. He's meant to be going back to school today, and I'm going down to be one of the people to support him. Nothing will ever bring back his sister, and he is going to have to live with the memory of how he last saw her, so for that I hope the bastard has to see what she looked like after he finished with her. No matter whether mentally disturbed or not, the community and the justice system should deal with him according to his crimes. The more I think about this guy being loose on the streets, the more I worry that something may happen to my little brother, or to me while just doing normal, everyday things. I wish I could say her death is going to change something, make a difference somehow to the way these disgusting monsters are treated, but it won't. People may get all up in arms now, but in 6 months time, people will be like 'what are you talking about?' I hope he gets into jail and they don't kill him, but make his life a living torment. That would be the biggest boon we could get. That he gets life, and everyday of it, he ends up being completely destroyed as a person. And he has to live with the consequences of his actions.


My support goes out to everyone involved.

Forget in 6 months ... riiight, that's why most people remember the Bulger case and that was back in 1993.

[Milhouse]

this is an email i recieved back in november 05

pretty graphic email, if mods want it deleted then so be it.

Do you remember February 1993 when a young 3 yr old was taken fromLiverpool, United Kingdom, by two 10-year-old boys. Jamie Bulgerwalked away from his mother for only a second and Jon Venables tookhis hand and led him out of the mall with his friend RobertThompson.They took Jamie on a walk for over 2 and a half miles, along the waystoppin every now and again to torture the poor little boy who wascrying constantly for his mummy.Finally they stopped at a railway track where they brutally kickedhim, threw stones at him, rubbed paint in his eyes and pushedbatteries up his anus.It was actually worse than this ... What these two boys did was sohorendous that Jamie'smother was forbidden to identify his body. Theythen left his beaten small body on the tracks so a train could runhim over to hide the mess they had created. These two boys, evenbeing boys, understood what they did was wrong, hence trying to makeit look like an accident.This week Lady Justice Butler-Slosshas awarded the two boysanonymity for the rest of their lives when they leave custody withnew identities.They will also leave early this year only serving just over half oftheir sentence. They are being relocated to Australia to live outthe rest of their lives. They disgustingly and violently tookJamie's life away - in return they each get a new life.Please ... if you feel, as we do, that this is a grave miscarriageof justice .. copy the entire email .. then addyour name at the end, andsend it to everyone you can.If you are the 500th person to sign, please forward this e-mail to:cust.ser.cs@gtnet.gov.uk and attention it to Lady JusticeButler-Sloss.Then start the list over again and send to your friends and family.The Love-Bug virus took less that 72 hours to reach the world. Ihope this one does as well.We need to protect our family and friends from creatures like Robertand Jon. One day they may be living next door to you and your smallchildren, without your knowledge.

[Muppet_Guy]

One day they may be living next door to you and your smallchildren, without your knowledge.

next door, or 200 metres! :dizzy:

[RICEY]

Thats a hoax email that was doing the rounds AFTER they were released so was kinda pointless.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/jamie-bulger-email-petition.html
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/dante-arthurs-jamie-bulger-link.html

[Baby Ty]

its some ****ed up **** huh, i honestly thort perth was one of the safest places in australia, i guess i thought wrong after everything thats been happening u just dun feel safe anymore that murderer/child molester/pedofile or watefa the **ck he is deserves the death penelty who knows who elses child he will destroy when he cums out later, *sighs*

my hart goes out to the family of the poor girl
whos life was kut short by a evil thing
R.I.P SOPHIA

[RICEY]

And the winner of the spelling bee is ..... *drum roll* someone that isnt Baby Ty !!!

[ToYotER]

thin glass rod down the eye of his dick.. a nice hit with a hammer and it shatters...

:) :) :)

[Baby Ty]

hahah oh man dont needa be so harsh i was in a rush :) lols