Ultimate Engine RB26 vs 2JZ

[RB20ZED]

Ok this is gonna be the thread to settle this once and for all the aim is to prove that ur favorite engine is better than the other. Dont hold back make ur statement and back it up with links, movies and factual knowledge to prove that one is better than the other!!!
And just to make it more fun a poll lol!!!

[AE82GZE]

money will win
rb26 is a nicer package engine.
both can make good power and hold
dikheads can blow both up 2

[B0BB0]

RB26 is god, hahaha


both good motor, nissan chop the tojo

[McLOVIN]

2JZ > RB26.


When people start running close to 1000hp on standard internals in an RB26, then I might rethink my decision.

[TJ]

2JZ > RB26.


When people start running close to 1000hp on standard internals in an RB26, then I might rethink my decision.


thats basically my argument too

plus 3ltr makes more torque , spools turbos earlier, so this helps too

[AE82GZE]

but its ok we can wait for you nissan.
waiting.........

:)

[B0BB0]

2JZ > RB26.


When people start running close to 1000hp on standard internals in an RB26, then I might rethink my decision.



Claimed std internals, u never know, hahaha

toyo it good, also got the 0.4ltr advantage,

but i am a gtr fan, so got the RB !!!

[TJ]

how does a car make the engine better? does that work in reverse also .. so if i put a 26 in my car its going to be better then a supra?

think sometimes dude.

[WRCjosh]

erm, you have forgotten the 13b, 20b and the 26b

lets see, 20b, less capacity and easily just as much horsepower. Abel Ibarras drag car is running one with big mumma turbo, alcohol enrichment and nitrous (which he doesnt use) and runs 7s.

Aussie drag cars still using the 13b with the above set up and are solidly into the 8s.

rotaries>2jz>rb26

[McLOVIN]

You're talking about only 1 purpose though. Yeah rotaries are great for drag racing, and even won Le Man, but when you look at the big picture, the 2JZ is still a better all round engine.

How many of those rotors are running those times without a rebuild by the way? :D

[McLOVIN]

Claimed std internals, u never know, hahaha

toyo it good, also got the 0.4ltr advantage,

but i am a gtr fan, so got the RB !!!
I have an easier time believing they're standard internals in those 2JZs than any RB making similar power. It's just a stronger engine. Toyota over0engineers most of their performance engines for a reason.

[B0BB0]

I have an easier time believing they're standard internals in those 2JZs than any RB making similar power. It's just a stronger engine. Toyota over0engineers most of their performance engines for a reason.

yeh thats true, the ze comes with forgies etc, dont see that in the ca/sr


how does a car make the engine better? does that work in reverse also .. so if i put a 26 in my car its going to be better then a supra?

think sometimes dude.

u should think, your a serb kill yourself, lol. j/k, my what i ment, i am a gtr fan, read nissan, and there for i will like the rb26, its a natural thing. if it was motors alone i would stil go the 26 :p

One thing to ask yaself, if the 2j infact better, why did topsecret put a 26 in the supra, one that was in england doing high speed runs H0h0h0h0h0h0, :) thats should start some argument

[TJ]

why did zoom put a 1jz , a direct relative of the 2j, in a 240z?

its a top secret trademark... means nothing in terms of the better engine.

[McLOVIN]

what i ment, i am a gtr fan, read nissan, and there for i will like the rb26, its a natural thing. if it was motors alone i would stil go the 26 :p
It seems you have some trouble reading. The thread is titled Ultimate Engine. Your love of the RB26 is obviously because you're a GTR fan. Nothing more, nothing less.


One thing to ask yaself, if the 2j infact better, why did topsecret put a 26 in the supra, one that was in england doing high speed runs H0h0h0h0h0h0, :) thats should start some argument
This was explained in a recent HPI article on a different Top Secret-bui;t JZA80 that was also running an RB26.

The lower capacity of the RB engine means less torque, which is better for a RWD-only car in regards to traction.

There's also the fact that there is much more development in the RB26 in Japan than the 2JZ. It's been around longer, has been through 3 series of GT-R, and has a lot more R&D behind it than the 2JZ.

The japs, in general, seem to only be really interested in modifying engines with <3L capacity for some reason.

[McLOVIN]

http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?830052

[confuzion]

ROFL thats gold :)

[upgarage]

hahaha,
i got a question, why did rigoli put a 7mgte in a r32 gtst

[SimonR32]

unfortunatly even thought the rb26 is a awsome engine is a even more awsome car... the 2jz is a lot better

some reasons:
-the extra 400cc capacity adds more power and touque and better power up capacity
-toyota over engineer their performance engines which is good for reliability and performance
-the engine note of a 2jz on the limiter is gives me instant wood

[AndrZeJ]

www.t04r.com (http://www.t04r.com/) is proof that there are many supras making crazy power with standard internals. the rb26 is nowhere near as reliable.

although i understand that one certain person will not acknowledge this even though inside he feels stupid coz he knows im right. :P

[DCIEVE]

why is it that everyone seems to convert to the rb rather than the 2j especially when the 2j seems to be a heap cheaper
is the 2j more expensive to work on...?

[SimonR32]

usually because they want to put a nissan engine into a nissan/datsun car. plus they may be easier to fit.

i thought of another reason, have you ever seen those supra's from america on highway runs. they are faster than turbo hyabussas. thats saying something

[TJ]

aftermarket support and supply make the 26 cheaper to buy and buy parts for

once again doesnt make the internals of an engine better then one that has less supports

we need someone who knows, or someone to look up the technical info on each engine ... thats what makes them so strong etc

[TJ]

end of the day ill ive heard so far is opinions

hit us with some facts kids, technical sections are based on facts.

[Morgs]

Go the mighty RB !

(Insert token comment)

[RB20ZED]

well my side is take the bore strock ratio into acount to make the 2j a reliable engine with a bore/stroke ratio of 1/1 you are gonna need large factory crank rods ect to make it work at rpm. On the other hand the rb26 needs smaller lighter parts to make hi claimed hp with a smaller bore/stroke ratio. Its just that the 2j will never rev like a 26 and the 26 will never make the tourque of a 2j at low rpm. Now you find me a 2j that will rev to nine and back all dead standard lol and not fall to bits after a short period of time.


"these comments are based on little knowledge and mostly bullshit please take note" lol

[B0BB0]

rb has an insane amount of r&d done, hence bigger aftermarket parts suply etc. where as 2j doesnt have a much, make it (i assume) more expesive to modify.

i got a video of a t51r supra racing a mustang in the states, thing sounds fucking awsome :p

ooo, ppl look at the votes :D

[CussCuss]

why the fuck are we limited to these 2 engines. There are better ways of making more power out there.

[Shaolin242]

u dont need to do internals to the 2JZ to make them monsters - but for me nothing beats the Rb26 - i just wish the throttle bodies were located at the top....THAT would be fucking hardcore...big ass trumpets n shit..

[McLOVIN]

well my side is take the bore strock ratio into acount to make the 2j a reliable engine with a bore/stroke ratio of 1/1 you are gonna need large factory crank rods ect to make it work at rpm. On the other hand the rb26 needs smaller lighter parts to make hi claimed hp with a smaller bore/stroke ratio. Its just that the 2j will never rev like a 26 and the 26 will never make the tourque of a 2j at low rpm. Now you find me a 2j that will rev to nine and back all dead standard lol and not fall to bits after a short period of time.


"these comments are based on little knowledge and mostly bullshit please take note" lol
The whole point is that you don't NEED to rev the 2JZ to 9,000rpm to make the power.

It's the cubes v revs debate all over again.

[Boza]

2jz gets my vote.....

[bossplaya]

ROFL thats gold :)

is that all u ever say on these forums?

THATS GOLD SPORT.

[bossplaya]

in perth everyone would be saying RB26

goto US and everyone will be screaming 2J

workshops and squeezers alike will glorify the motor of choice that they have most knowledge about, have access to parts and have customer cars to backup with.

rb26dett and 2jzgte and both equally king motors i think.

[MR2MK1SC]

2JZ All the way and on a side note 1jz floggs rb25 aswell.
I respect what the RB26DETT can do but from what you see 2JZ's doin in the US and Japan. I belive the 2JZ is the better engine

[B0BB0]

what are some extreme power figures that the 2jz puts out, eg of 26 veilside 34gtr, 1400ps @ all 4

[McLOVIN]

Have a look at a few of the US workshop cars running 2jz engines. Bullish Racing for instance. Do your own research and don't rely on pretty numbers.

Plus I think you'll find most GTR power figures are rear wheel power, not all four.

[TJ]

1400 ps @ all 4? hahahaha sure

try 1031 real rwhp in 2wd mode.

The veilside Supra is said to make the same power, yet more torque then it.

Once again there is no technical proof to back ur claims

[B0BB0]

i musta been mistaken, but i do have a vid of it making 1017 @ all for, on a hud dyno

wlfpac, all u guys keep saying is what it does on std internals, what are the limits of it, i would assume more than the 26 as it 3ltr, i cbf researching hah

[TJ]

Yeah , the hioctane 2000 video, ive got one from elsewhere showing 1031 in rwd mode.

i didnt say anthing about stock internals, i said that veilside itself argue that their supra makes the same power, but with even more torque due to 3l. Seems right too.

I think theres going to be a 2j built up in perth soon which will shock a few of the 26 lovers.

[McLOVIN]

i musta been mistaken, but i do have a vid of it making 1017 @ all for, on a hud dyno

wlfpac, all u guys keep saying is what it does on std internals, what are the limits of it, i would assume more than the 26 as it 3ltr, i cbf researching hah
Well if the bloody thing can make close to 1000hp on standard internals, its limit is obviously shitloads higher than an RB26 isn't it? Logic anyone?

The higher limit has absolutely nothing to do with the extra capacity. It has a hell of a lot to do with Toyota's engineering practices with most of its engines. They're designed to withstand a shitload more load than they have to when stock.

If you couldn't be bothered researching, why the fuck are you even arguing the point? You have fuck all facts to back up your argument.

[bodybodyrock]

check out the votes!!!

seems to be fiddy fiddy

[Lord_Muck]

At the end of the day, whose to say these two engines are king? The toyota V8 twin turbo in the silver Camira at the motorplex is probably making for more HP than either of these engines, if customization is what we're looking at here, why are we limited to two engines that came with two turbo's in the first place? Sure they are good engine, but a quad cam V8, with two turbo's, thats low down torque, bullshit mid-range power and talk, then extreme high end HP. You can't beat them apples. So the first guy in WA that slaps this combo in a Celsior or the nissan equivalent in a Cima, is going to shit on some fairly serious cars. Then where will rb26's and 2jz's be? Classified as the highest powered 6cyl's. (sure Eddy Tassome has done it, but he doesn't drive that thing around daily becoz its setup as a drag car)

[RB20ZED]

the only reason this was started was to clear up the arguments between everybody on these 2 engines

[CussCuss]

then someone might wanna remove the 'ultimate engine' bit from the thread title, cause until someone makes a killer 5.2 or 6L v12 (and i would really like to see that happen, it would be so cool rb52det) they aint gonna be the ultimate

[McLOVIN]

Or you could just get over it and restrict your arguments to these 2 engines. It isn't hard.

[Lord_Muck]

Well it all depends on your purposes as to what you want the engine for, as to which one u would choose. RB26 for road/circuit use, or 2jz for drag/motorkhana events. As the 2jz has the benefit of the 3.4L stroker kit. Its all about purpose as to which a level headed person would choose (as MOST are either hung up on Nissan or Toyota they are going to say whichever brand they own)

[fane]

rb26 coz i love revs and nissans :D

3L is just a bit too close to being a holden or a ford engine for me :P

hehehe not really both great engines i just prefer them to rev off the nut! nad the 26 with the smaller engine cap should be able to do that better everytime :D

im with tj show us some actual stats and specs....

[McLOVIN]

Very few of the quickest and/or most powerful 2JZGTEs are using any kind of stroker kit. An overwhelming majority stick with standard capacity, and they seem to be able to make shitloads of power with it.

I own a Nissan, and I still believe the Toyota engine is better.

[[insane]]

ultimate engine is the holden 5 litre block

[Boza]

i must agree......????????????

[TJ]

People make some massive power with the old holden 5l block ... Eddie Tassone for one.

Up to this point, no one has really given a real reason for one or the other being better, step it up children.

[B0BB0]

tassone makes power, coz he doesnt care it the motor breaks, on the dyno he just goes to the limits

eg, summernats this yr, he had 3 spare motors there, and wanted to break 2000hp, but then they made the rule the car has to run when it comes off the dyno so he didnt bother.

after all how much does it cost to built a 383 if u are the owner of a trev shop

[McLOVIN]

']ultimate engine is the holden 5 litre block
You certainly live up to your nick.

Try to restrict responses to the 2 engines mentioned in the topic eh?

[2ofdem]

the 2 engines mentioned are not the ulimate engine though.
the chrysler hemi owns them in a big way even buick v6s are quicker then rbs and 2jzs.

IBintangibleexcusewhyotherenginesarebetter.

[McLOVIN]

Who cares whether or not they're the ultimate engine? The topic restricts the debate to these 2 engines only.

And the other engines you mentioned have had a shitload more development time for racing applications than these 2 engines combined. They'd damn well want to perform better.

[mc68]

i heard that a 2JZ block with a 1JZ head is a potent combo....or wont this happy meal work....?

[TJ]

1.5jz as its know in Japan

Ususallu used by soarer / chaser et all owners when the want more cubes for more power

2jz block = 3ltr
1jz head - rumoured to flow better then a 2jz head, because it is usually stuck with lower capacity.

Works perfectly fine

[dorisaur]

RB26 cause nothing and i mean nothing sounds better than one of those on the limiter

[sil80rep]

as much as i love my nissan engines i would have to say 2jz, something about the 400+km/h supra. Pity it didnt come in a 4wd package... wowzers!

[Rhys]

RB all the way. Again nothing sounds better (besides a blown Merc V8). But then again i spose both the RB and 2JZ have their ups and downs.

[onejayzee]

Street drags, cant beat the 2jz. low torque and responsive to low tuning. claimed to be able to hold 700hp with stock internals (as the zeni tani JZA70 shows in hpi..well thats a 1jz so dunno what the 2jz can hold...)

also can't beat the supras getrag gearbox.

i may be wrong with all this...but go the 2jz

[dorisaur]

actually, RB26 because of the revs, nothing like abuilt RB26 doing 11000-12000 grand(the japanese ones)

Thats like motorbike teritory.

You'll never see a 2jz doing that, not for the same $$$ anyway

[Boza]

motorbike territory is a pp 13b.....now nothin sounds better than that.....

[McLOVIN]

2JZ doesn't NEED to rev to make its power. RB26 does.

As the bogans say, no replacement for displacement.

[v8souproar]

2jz all the way!
it sounds as though most of the rb26 dudes like them for the sake of hearing them at high revs rather than the g forces and power made easier by the 2jz....
who really cares about revs when your going faster.
although i must admit the sound of high revs is a turn on, i would much prefer more forward thrust

i reckon the main debate here is u only need stock internals on a 2jz where as the rb26 needs more strength (ie. more money?...) to make the same power. would this be close?

Heres a good vid, doesnt have much to do with the thread except can i say its got a lot of torque! and a good driver.......

http://www.mkiv.com/videoarchive/rm/junsupra_short.zip

[v8souproar]

im sure you would all know this but the more revs a motor is doing the more wear and tear. another adv to the 2jz

[blk180]

RB26 all the way what we lack in cubs we make up 4 in revs ie GTR700 revs out passed 12k and is posbly maken more power then veilside making well over 1 meggawatt

[McLOVIN]

And it costs shitloads to make that power because you have to rebuild the entire engine.

Some of the yanks are getting well over 1200hp from 2JZs with minimal (if any) internal mods.

[Morgs]

Does that make it the better engine? Depends on what you're trying to do

[McLOVIN]

In my opinion, yes.

I guess it all depends on whether you want to spend shitloads of money to get the engine to rev its tits off without exploding, or just use bolt-ons to make the power.

[B0BB0]

do they pop every easly or are they fairly realiable ?

[McLOVIN]

Considering the context and the discussion so far, that is quite possibly the stupidest question I have ever read/heard.

Does 1000+hp with standard internals not explain it enough for you?

[CussCuss]

so whats the 2jz up to now 1500rwhp with standard internals and only a new air filter.
(dont ask for dyno sheets facts have nothing to do with this argument ffs)

[McLOVIN]

No need to get narky. Truth often causes pain.

[thommo]

so whats the 2jz up to now 1500rwhp with standard internals and only a new air filter.
(dont ask for dyno sheets facts have nothing to do with this argument ffs)

haha yeh we'll crank the intake temps to 300+degrees

[mischief1]

Street drags, cant beat the 2jz.

maybe if it gets traction... lol.

i do prefer the 2jz, as your able to bolt on parts and make good power without opening the bottom end. if both engines have big turbos on them, the 2jz powered car be more driveable, i guess it comes down to how ther set up though.

the car the engine powers does matter because theres no point having a big balls engine and not being able to put the power to the ground.

[iluv2moan]

1JZ < RB26 < 2jz < 7m

[Sciflyer]

jeezus christ, talk about digging up threads from the stoneage

[redline07]

7m>...ahhh.....ahhh...ill think of something soon...

[ELUSIV]

JZ engines ftw.

2J/1J have the rep for being the strongest jap engines made, 1J revs harder, 2J has the displacement advantage.

The nay sayers are just in denial ;)

[Brockas]

7m>...ahhh.....ahhh...ill think of something soon...

7M > RB24S?




2JZ > RB26

1JZ > RB25

[Sciflyer]

<Paul> 1JZ > diff

[Brockas]

LOL

[Passage GT]

i think it's obvious the 2jz is a better standard motor, though once in built form it's debateable
sure the 2jz will make more lower down torque, cubic capacity decides that
though rb26 revs harder for the same reason, less capacity but more revs
but comparing engines is stupid
a car is a lot more than an engine..
can put either motor in a stock old datto or corona and it'll still be a piece of ****
better comparo would be supra vs gtr as they're the cars the engines came out in

[V8ENZ]

your all silly ****s, what makes you think jap engines are the best?
for example you can take a 20 year old 5 litre V8 benz engine and get 800hp on stock internals and still run the stock box and diff.

[S133LTR]

2JZ doesn't NEED to rev to make its power. RB26 does.

As the bogans say, no replacement for displacement.

im a bogan and we say.. "if ya havnt got a V8 your a faggot" no real bogan can wax lyrical like that.

as for the 2j vs Rb26 might as well throw my 2c in....

if the 2j is able to make comparitive power figures to the RB with standard internals and less revs doesnt that show the motor is working less to create its power... isnt that what a successful performance motor is about (ie; making power whilest not wearing execisvely or prematurely) As to wether or not this is all due to the larger capacity in the 2j... i doubt it, probably more to do with the engineering design of its cast items (bottom end) and the basic metulurgy of the components making up the motor (block/head/recipricating assmbly. etc).

ps SBC FTW!!!

[V8ENZ]

tell us what you really think steve

[S133LTR]

part of the reason RB26's are pulling faster times in japan is because the GTR puts the power down well on their strips compared to the supra? not just engine?
whats the fastest time recorded by a 'bodied' car using an RB26? The yanks from Titan have run 6.40 in their full drag 2j 'toyota' scion.
Power and torque figures, spread and delivery may be a better way to compare engines?

[iluv2moan]

4g63>2jz - they making 1300 hp those motors in the states - 2.4 ltr

[V8ENZ]

ca18de auto ftw

[thrtytwo]

i preffer RB cos im a fan boy bu 2J still makes me cream, and i will admit it is probably the better engine but RB is more popular

[thommo]

Both statements quoted from www.answers.com ......

"""The first 2.6 L RB26DETT featured twin-turbochargers and produced 280 PS (206 kW) @ 6800 rpm and 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m) @ 4400 rpm. The last series of the RB26DETT produced 280 PS (206 kW) @ 6800 rpm and 289 ft·lbf (392 N·m) @ 4400 rpm. However, several stock (unmodified) engines have been dyno tested and reported to obtain nearer the 320 hp mark. It is widely renowned for its strength and extreme power potential. It is not uncommon for 600 hp to be achieved on the standard bottom end. With regular maintenance, many of these engines have been driven way past the 100,000 mile mark with a few heading toward 200,000 miles.

With replacements of the rods and pistons to forged units, and larger turbos (the Garrett T88 turbo being a popular conversion), the RB26 motor is capable of power in excess of 1 megawatt (or over 1,000 hp). """



"""The 2JZ-GTE was developed to power the fourth generation of the Supra sports car. It was based on the 2JZ-GE, but differed in its use of sequential twin turbochargers.

The use of sequential twin CT12B turbochargers raised its power output from a mere 166 kW (225 hp DIN) to 206 kW (280 hp DIN) at 5600 rpm, due to a "Gentlemen's Agreement" in the Japanese market, although the real undisclosed figure was well in excess of 300 hp (over 220 kW). In the American and European market, power was raised to 239 kW (320 hp SAE)/243kW (330hp [DIN]) at the same 5600 rpm. The Export-Version of the 2JZ-GTE actualized its higher power output due to different turbochargers (steel, JP: ceramic), camshafts and bigger injectors (550ccm, JP:440ccm). This engine, like Nissan's RB26DETT, is very popular with tuners for its high horsepower potential and reliability. Modified versions of the 2JZ-GTE have been seen with over 1500hp. Notable is Marko Djuric's '93 Toyota Supra, a street driven vehicle with a stock displacement 2JZ-GTE that dynoed 1520 horsepower at the rear wheels in 2004, still running on gasoline."""

[mischief1]

YOU NEED TO GO ****EN HIT THE CRACK PIPE SOME MORE YOU ****EN NOOB!

Base your info on fact not keyboard warriorness! You are one of those ****en idiots that talks **** and boasts about ahhh the American 2JZ dream! hahahahhahahaha have you seen it with your own eyes penis cap! NO so don't go off some fraugelent figures posted on a forum then back it up and hack other when you have achieved nothing with a 2J yourself! maybe someday you will learn that on a dyno you can make a car say any horsepower you want! pffft EVERYTIME YOU MENTION STOCK 2J MAKING 1000HP YOU JUST LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT, POST A VIDEO (OH HANG ON! DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW FROM AN AMERICAN VIDEO WHAT IS INSIDE THE ENGINE OR WETHER A COUPLE DAYS LATER THE ENGINE WAS DEAD!)

USE FACT FOOLS AND LOOK AT JAPAN! WHERE THESE ENGINES HAVE BEEN DESIGNED, AT NHRA OFFICIAL DRAGS WHAT JAPANESE STREET CARS ON STREET TYRES ARE POSTING THE FASTEST TIMES, AND BY A ****ING HUGE HUGE MAJORITY IT'S THE RB26! GO AHEAD DIG OUT ALL YOUR VIDEO'S AND WONDER WHY THE JAPANESE ALWAYS BREAK RECORDS WITH 26'S!

MAYBE a stock 2J may do a little more power stock, from what i have seen with my own eyes on a dyno a 2J with all bolt on's inculding turb or turbs has made no more or less than a 26 with the same mods, AND KEEP RUNNING for the week after! but then again it is a larger capacity engine so you would expect that anyway! talk **** the day you go to a proper dyno and see a 2J beat a RB26 in modified form! pffft

1jz vvti + super squeaky > 26 + dose

[kneedtotinkle]

is the motor only about horsepower on this forum, what about reliability, drivability, compatibility....

Reality is that this arguement will never be finalised....

I love the Rb26 because it likes to rev hard, and works perfectly with the driveline of a GTR.

If you can honestly say that the 2Jz is better purely by horsepower than thats fine, but i will ask you this....

If Smokey Nagata from Top Secret, the most reputable tuner in Japan binned a 2Jz for a Rb26 in a supra and claims it was the most scariest car he has ever driven, then how could you say that the 2Jz is good, being binned for a 26????

Secondly, have a gooooood hard look at the JGTC series. All the supras do not and can not compete with their original manufacture motor the 2Jz. They have to bin it once again inorder to make a Supra, which is the production vehicle whom uses and revealed the motor to the market, inorder to be able to compete.

I dont see the GTR binning its motor due to weight, because a good motor relates to the source it is used in!

No supra can get traction, nor does its torque curve measure up with its handling or performance. The amount of power you put in a GTR and cornering makes the Rb26 a great motor. Meanwhile the supra is off in the paddock lost due to poor use of power.

I own a GTR currently and have done many times before, I've had a supra and didnt like it at all. Sorry, to the 2JZ fans.

[bodybodyrock]

yota ftw

[WRCjosh]

i think your all forgetting the power house of the rb series... Ye Olde RB30ET! Might be a 20 year old boat anchor but some of the fastest street and drag cars in the country are powered by em!

[TRD]

wow half u nissan fanboys dont know jack ****....HPI did the comparo years ago... they compared the 1JZ to the RB26 to make it fair...
and yes we are only comparing engines... not cars. why is the GTR faster? because it has 4wd... japs dont seem to bother too much with full setup drag cars so it is no indication of whats better there in terms of fastest overall...
look at the US however and there is heaps of 2J's running under 7 secs....where is the 26 at??

2JZ has:
more power from stock bottom end - no argument there
makes more power at less revs
more torque

more everything which in turn makes it more reliable
sure the RB26DETT is a good engine..but it doesnt touch the 2JZ

another point...
ever seen the bore stroke specs on a 3L stroker kit for RB26s??
wow its the same as a 2JZ! i wonder why they did that??
its not really fair to compare a 2JZ to the RB26...

2JZ>1JZ>RB26 as the 1JZ will probably make more with stock internals too, reliably.

nissan boyz dont take it personal, it is an engine debate, uve lost just accept it. poll has proven it too!

if u talkin stock internals the 2JZ wins easy..
talk modified off its tits...it still wins....even easier

http://www.highboost.com/movies/TitanRace/fastestcelica.wmv
theres plenty of supras doin under 7, just cant find any vids.. :/
as well as solaras(camrys) and tacomas(mini truck/ute)

solara
http://www.highboost.com/movies/TitanRace/titan-650salldaylong.wmv

LOL someones truck missing a turbo?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYl3cF-xMU&mode=related&search=

theres plenty more... look for yaself...
now show me a RB26 do that time please!!
maybe stick it in a mini and ya might get close... j/k

nuff said...

[thommo]

is the motor only about horsepower on this forum, what about reliability, drivability, compatibility....

Reality is that this arguement will never be finalised....

I love the Rb26 because it likes to rev hard, and works perfectly with the driveline of a GTR.

If you can honestly say that the 2Jz is better purely by horsepower than thats fine, but i will ask you this....

If Smokey Nagata from Top Secret, the most reputable tuner in Japan binned a 2Jz for a Rb26 in a supra and claims it was the most scariest car he has ever driven, then how could you say that the 2Jz is good, being binned for a 26????

Secondly, have a gooooood hard look at the JGTC series. All the supras do not and can not compete with their original manufacture motor the 2Jz. They have to bin it once again inorder to make a Supra, which is the production vehicle whom uses and revealed the motor to the market, inorder to be able to compete.

I dont see the GTR binning its motor due to weight, because a good motor relates to the source it is used in!

No supra can get traction, nor does its torque curve measure up with its handling or performance. The amount of power you put in a GTR and cornering makes the Rb26 a great motor. Meanwhile the supra is off in the paddock lost due to poor use of power.

I own a GTR currently and have done many times before, I've had a supra and didnt like it at all. Sorry, to the 2JZ fans.


Top secret swapped their supra to a rb26 because the 2jz was reknowned for its huge torque, which they complain was shredding their tyres... makes it hard when ur tryin to do 300kph runs

[TRD]

2JZ less reliable than an RB26?? what the hell you on man???
it makes more power more torque easily and at less revs...make the job easier for the engine and it will live a long and prosperous life.
torque gives you driveability...
compatibility is probly the one area where toyota stuffed up...not a huge one but enough to give the GTR an advantage in that single area...
3 to 1....toyo power baby....U JUST CANT BEAT IT

[Lonewolf]

street car or drag car: 2jz
race car: rb26 (response counts for a lot)

reasons why have been covered above.

[thommo]

response comes from capacity and turbo size/setup...

[Lonewolf]

ITB's and ability to rev higher also count on my list.
Huge torque levels at low rpm arent abolute either.

[thommo]

higher revs mite not always be the best thing the engine could be only makin its maximum torque and/or power at say 6500 so even if it could rev to 9000 how is that gonna help.

[gt4]

wow half u nissan fanboys dont know jack ****....HPI did the comparo years ago... they compared the 1JZ to the RB26 to make it fair...
and yes we are only comparing engines... not cars. why is the GTR faster? because it has 4wd... japs dont seem to bother too much with full setup drag cars so it is no indication of whats better there in terms of fastest overall...
look at the US however and there is heaps of 2J's running under 7 secs....where is the 26 at??

2JZ has:
more power from stock bottom end - no argument there
makes more power at less revs
more torque

more everything which in turn makes it more reliable
sure the RB26DETT is a good engine..but it doesnt touch the 2JZ

another point...
ever seen the bore stroke specs on a 3L stroker kit for RB26s??
wow its the same as a 2JZ! i wonder why they did that??
its not really fair to compare a 2JZ to the RB26...

2JZ>1JZ>RB26 as the 1JZ will probably make more with stock internals too, reliably.

nissan boyz dont take it personal, it is an engine debate, uve lost just accept it. poll has proven it too!

if u talkin stock internals the 2JZ wins easy..
talk modified off its tits...it still wins....even easier

http://www.highboost.com/movies/TitanRace/fastestcelica.wmv
theres plenty of supras doin under 7, just cant find any vids.. :/
as well as solaras(camrys) and tacomas(mini truck/ute)

solara
http://www.highboost.com/movies/TitanRace/titan-650salldaylong.wmv

LOL someones truck missing a turbo?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYl3cF-xMU&mode=related&search=

theres plenty more... look for yaself...
now show me a RB26 do that time please!!
maybe stick it in a mini and ya might get close... j/k

nuff said...

:werd:

[Lonewolf]

higher revs mite not always be the best thing the engine could be only makin its maximum torque and/or power at say 6500 so even if it could rev to 9000 how is that gonna help.

extra revs can mean less gearchanges around a circuit, obviously if its not making power up there still it doesnt help much. Not hard to make a 26 rev hard to its limit.

[Rhys]

end of the day , yes im a 2j fan but someone IN PERTH needs to prove all this, the states do it yes but seeing in in person would be a lot better. I heard of a standard 2j last week getting tuned , going for 600 and popped a crank seal ....

[thommo]

600 is a fairly large figure for a stock engine. what do you mean by proving all this... when ur refering to the 2jz

[B0BB0]

Veilside make 1300ps on a stock motor. in there 34GTR. all you toyo fans, got no game.

the car has also done 340kmh +

[mischief1]

i think the only people that should be able to comment on the technical side of things are people who have had experience with these engines/cars. opinions, watching videos, playing gt4 or reading hpi doesn't make you an expert, especially the latter.

I'm with rhys, someone in perth needs to build a wild (street) 2j, theres a few decent ones, but nothing that really touches anything with a rb26 at this point in time.

[ELUSIV]

39-29 in favour of the 2j, looks like nissan is losing out and the fanboys are reaching for the kleenex boxes :P

funny that no matter where you look, in publications, internet sites, forums, etc... from australia, new zealand, japan, USA, europe, etc... it seems that one thing that is agreed upon is that the JZ engines are more over engineered and therefore internally stronger than the RB.

just seems that regardless of what the masses think many nissan owners are in denial...

but hey hopefully sum1 puts it to the test in perth and starts blowin sum engines :D

[McLOVIN]

So it's only legit if someone in Perth does it?

[adrenalin]

then someone might wanna remove the 'ultimate engine' bit from the thread title, cause until someone makes a killer 5.2 or 6L v12 (and i would really like to see that happen, it would be so cool rb52det) they aint gonna be the ultimate



haha how about the BMW V12 which is used in F1. 6.1 ltr V12. Quad cam i dont think yanks have even got Double overhead cams yet .... ? :P

Americans cant make a car if there life depended on it.

An example of this was in the euro vs american movie and they put a Corvette up against a Z4 M coupe.

The only good thing to come out of U.S is the Gt40


Anyway to the argument

Im on the 2jz side. More torque and as said bout 20 times over engineered and loves limiter.

[ben351]

351 > all

:)

[Sciflyer]

Veilside make 1300ps on a stock motor. in there 34GTR. all you toyo fans, got no game.

the car has also done 340kmh +

Define "stock"

[redline07]

[QUOTE=adrenalin;174539]haha how about the BMW V12 which is used in F1. 6.1 ltr V12. Quad cam i dont think yanks have even got Double overhead cams yet .... ? :P
QUOTE]


Only engines used in F1 are V8's..Unless you're talking about the McLaren F1.

[kneedtotinkle]

A motor isnt defined purely by its capacity or horsepower, its relative to the vehicle it is used in. Thats why Supras get smoked in a straight line and round corners.

TERD... I mean TRD. You can talk the talk but do you have the car to back up your claims. Anyone can read a magazine or a thread, but its not realistic just like all the other bull**** thats written in newspapers. I tell you what, ONE OF YOU CHAMPS BUILD OR BUY A SUPRA WITH BIG POWER IN STOCK MOTOR FORM AND I'LL CHALLENGE YOU TO A TRACK DAY, BOTH CIRCUIT AND DRAG!!!

Back your **** up!

None of you probably even have a supra or 2JZ capable, but will talk the balls off it.....

Hmmm, 26 in 350z's, vl's, silvias, commo utes, anything you can poke a stick at, not coz they fit, but because they work reallllllll good!

HAHAHHAHA! 26 IN A SUPRA!!!!! Been done.....

[kneedtotinkle]

Veilside make 1300ps on a stock motor. in there 34GTR. all you toyo fans, got no game.

the car has also done 340kmh +

with traction issues!!!!! Been claimed to easily hit around 400kmh.

[B0BB0]

its as stock as a 1000hp supra

[Brockas]

Just filter and exhaust...

[Remix]

At the end of the day a 2jz Supra is good at driving straight...

The RB26 was designed for a car that can take on a circuit, however as a bonus it does a great job at driving straight at the drags also. As mentioned above - the overall package of the chassis is what makes the motor capable, unless of course it is dyno figures that really matter.... *sigh* :/

[kneedtotinkle]

a dyno car does nothing but sit there and do sweet fa! A car is made to be driven not storaged!!! An owner takes pride in the overall package of a vehicle not its sheer ability to make power. What's a cars worth if you cant drive it round a freakin corner or hold throttle???

If you are horsepower hillbilly bitch, you are a complete ****in dickhead! Someone who is consumed with power will ultimately always fail!

2Jz = good motor, not a competitive package
Rb26 = good motor, suited to its application

[Joe]

RB26 is the best, cos its based on an RB30, which came out of a VL Commodore

VL Commodore = Sick, therefore RB26 = Sickest.

[Twe12ve]

CA18 is the best fukn sh1t ever. ask anyone on silwa. stick a T28 on there and WATCH OUT!

[adrenalin]

[QUOTE=adrenalin;174539]haha how about the BMW V12 which is used in F1. 6.1 ltr V12. Quad cam i dont think yanks have even got Double overhead cams yet .... ? :P
QUOTE]


Only engines used in F1 are V8's..Unless you're talking about the McLaren F1.

Correct :)

See a yank make a motor that has technology from these last few years. I think they just found EFI

[Twe12ve]

yanks cant be dissed anymore due to z06 shredding every other factory car anywhere near its price range....

[Sciflyer]

HAHAHHAHA! 26 IN A SUPRA!!!!! Been done.....

pfff like there arnt a million skylines and silvias with 1J/2J power

At the end of the day the GTR uses its weight advantage and AWD to good effect to keep the Supras honest

But if you could run a 2JZ or even 1JZ in a GTR and still have the benefit of AWD you would have a better car than one with the engine it came with from the factory :shake:

Of course a TT 1UZ would spank both of them anyway but hey thats for another thread...

[mischief1]

So it's only legit if someone in Perth does it?

no, but i wouldn't mind seeing it myself.



2Jz = good motor, not a competitive package
Rb26 = good motor, suited to its application

supra = good motor, not a competitive package
gtr = good motor, suited to its application

[1JZNOSHIT]

yeah, put a 2JZGTE and a RB26 into a rwd only car, like a GTS-t or a Supra for example, then compare results.

[Passage GT]

vk56de owns 1uzfe:)
as i said before a motor is **** all
if being a dyno queen is your forte, your in the wrong place
this is a performance based forums
to me performance is straight line, corners, drifting and LEAST of all HP
GTR owns supra in any performance based criteria
that's all that matters
now lets see the 'stock engine dyno queens speak up'
hmm need we mention that F1 cars, the most advanced form of motorsport
how much torque do they make down low?
i bet they make **** all below 5000rpm
but hey they rev super hard and make hp right up there
why?
less gear changes around track equals faster times
revs are an advantage on a track car, and a drag car
performance > dyno queens

[thommo]

i think the only people that should be able to comment on the technical side of things are people who have had experience with these engines/cars. opinions, watching videos, playing gt4 or reading hpi doesn't make you an expert, especially the latter.

I'm with rhys, someone in perth needs to build a wild (street) 2j, theres a few decent ones, but nothing that really touches anything with a rb26 at this point in time.

its game on, 2jz build.

[iluv2moan]

[QUOTE=Sciflyer;174810]pfff like there arnt a million skylines and silvias with 1J/2J power

QUOTE]

hell they even put a 7m in a skyline!!

is this saying that..

a 7m was an improvement over the rb20 or
although it would have been 100 times easier to fit a rb26 or 30, the decided to use a 7m for its characteristics

eitherway look at the results

if u like revvy motors - go the rb26
if u dont like revy motors - go the 2jz


as for top speed that means ****.... interms of the motor

[iluv2moan]

vk56de owns 1uzfe:)

to me performance is straight line, corners, drifting and LEAST of all HP
GTR owns supra in any performance based criteria
that's all that matters


since when would a stock gtr beat a stock supra at drifting

[[RX2]]

there is a street/strip 2jz VL being built in perth atm . but it is only a stock un opened import engine with bolt on's .
should be pretty serious as the owners other ride runs 8.20's

[McLOVIN]

vk56de owns 1uzfe:)
as i said before a motor is **** all
if being a dyno queen is your forte, your in the wrong place
this is a performance based forums
to me performance is straight line, corners, drifting and LEAST of all HP
GTR owns supra in any performance based criteria
that's all that matters
now lets see the 'stock engine dyno queens speak up'
hmm need we mention that F1 cars, the most advanced form of motorsport
how much torque do they make down low?
i bet they make **** all below 5000rpm
but hey they rev super hard and make hp right up there
why?
less gear changes around track equals faster times
revs are an advantage on a track car, and a drag car
performance > dyno queens

We'll just forget about the fact that Formula 1 has a low capacity restriction meaning the engines have to rev to the moon to make their power.

[thommo]

why even talkin about anything besides 2jz n rb26, half this thread it all **** unrelated to the topic.




[RX3] whens this vl gonna be ready.. any planned time frame? got any specs?

[iluv2moan]

theres no real point to the thread anyway.

[Passage GT]

was only using f1 cars as an example
an why wouldn't a gtr drift as well as a supra?
they're rwd biased and in 32's especially it's very easy to make them rwd
i've never seen a comparo of a stock gtr and a stock supra drifting
though neither of them are popular cars to use for drift, again it was just an example of motorsport, more to make my point that horsepower isn't the end all when it comes to motorsport
you don't need 4000hp on a stock motor to drift or drag race or go around a track
i think this whole thread is stupid and the fact people are actually insulting each other is incredibly sad
hp is **** all if you can't harness it
need i repeat myself?

[1JZNOSHIT]

the thread is about the engines, and not the chassis they sit in.

Drift/Drag/Sprints etc who cares, is about the engines. Its not about comparing a GTR to a Supra, its comparing a RB26DETT to a 2JZGTE.

You could fit either of these motors in to lots of cars, but the cars arent the topic of question, the engines are.

Power/Torque/Response/Reliability of the engines are what this thread is about. its gone WAY off topic and has become a stupid thread because F1 cars have absolutely **** all to do with RB26s and 2JZs.

[thommo]

in the first place there was no guidlines to the topic which is better this or that. need to be;
Engine only not car. everyone talkin gtr/supra thats not the only cars these engines come in and not the point to topic.

performance stock form:
performance modified form:
reliability:
cost:
etc etc we all just arguing 10 different points and gettin no where.

[thommo]

damn u post at same time haha

[MMM]

who honestly cares?

if its a chick thing "OMG babe i got a 2j its like fulli sick jump in and hear the dose from the extra .4L ITS SICK"

mite gain more respect from your ullehs but who cares!

[1JZNOSHIT]

its a topic of discussion, which engine is better, not about dosing and b*tches. whats a forum without topics of discussion?

this one should be shut down, coz its now g&y.

[MMM]

yeah better at getting chicks!

[Twe12ve]

DOSE

[Mike_Hunt]

rb26... 2jz... who cares

[Onijin]

Shame there isn't a such thing as a straight-six version of the 4G63, so I'm going with the 2JZ out of the two.

[gt4]

rb26... 2jz... who cares

:werd:

[adrenalin]

yanks cant be dissed anymore due to z06 shredding every other factory car anywhere near its price range....

Cept it almost got spanked by the BMW z4 M - coupe which is using the E46 M3 motor which is a straight 6. It was a tie around the track.

[Twe12ve]

lol get farked when did this happen?? the Z06 smoked the Koeniggsegg and the first Zonda around the Top Gear Track and the 'Ring! u telling me a Z4M Coupe can smoke a Zonda and a Koeni CCR around a track? no fukn way!

[adrenalin]

Watch the new Jeremy clarkson movie.

he goes to america and matches euros up against american cars.

America doesnt win once.


Corvette cains it off line but once it gets to corner the Z4 coems right back.

At start he loves corvette around the track but then says for daily casual driving it sucks big time and as such cause it aint practical it sucks.

They also put a mustang around the track then a guy on a horse and the horse beats it.

[krizza_ca18det]

The fact that you are comparing the RB26 to a 2J shows how good the RB is at fighting above it's weight anyway. 400cc is a lot to give away in a forced induction application so would you rather have a 1J or a 26?

RB26 has the motorsport runs on the board. RB26/30 ftw!

[TRD]

MyHeadHurts...learn to read...its a topic on the MOTOR...
insulting me shows your lack of maturity so if you cant participate in a civilised discussion then **** OFF

1300hp from a stock RB26DETT?
that is truly the funniest thing ive ever heard....
try makin 700 first...its common knowledge that it will crap itself at around the 600 mark...

http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/custom_1999_nissan_r34_skyline_gtr_drag_car/

...VeilSide dismembered the RB26 and left no engine component unscathed. The bottom end is fitted with HKS forged pistons, an HKS full counter crankshaft, VeilSide titanium connecting rods, and VeilSide rod caps. Did I hear titanium? I think my jealous eyes are getting greener by the moment. The valvetrain is also treated with equally royal manners. Stuffed with VeilSide valves, valve guides, valvesprings, titanium retainers, and cams, the newly built top end is capable of atmospheric 10,000-plus rpm revs....


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.....* deeep*breath......HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHA

why do i need to have/own a 2JZ to discuss its overbearing performance domination over an RB26? the world has proven me right...
close this topic... 2JZ wins unless any of u nissan boyz got some real evidence???

1300 from a stock RB.... thanx guys i truly have not laughed so hard for a long time

[Muppet_Guy]

This thread is really going nowhere... it was obvious from the beginning that people will not agree so what is the point?? It's like Ford vs Holden debate here, people will stick to their side...

In summary stock 2JZ is more reliable, better engineered engine than the stock RB26, and will be able to handle more power stock than RB26. Simple, can't argue with that. However (now going off topic) the RB26 is linked up to a better drivetrain than the 2JZ, where when it comes to actually putting that power down to the bitumen around the track the GTR will own the Supra. Can't argue with that either. So what's the problem here??? Why all this BS arguing?

The topic is still about the engines, so 2JZ wins this argument. No use going on about which cars these engines are in, next you'll be comparing how many cupholders the GTR has vs the Supra or some other irrelevant crap like that. My 2c...

[kneedtotinkle]

MyHeadHurts...learn to read...its a topic on the MOTOR...
insulting me shows your lack of maturity so if you cant participate in a civilised discussion then **** OFF

1300hp from a stock RB26DETT?
that is truly the funniest thing ive ever heard....
try makin 700 first...its common knowledge that it will crap itself at around the 600 mark...

http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/custom_1999_nissan_r34_skyline_gtr_drag_car/

...VeilSide dismembered the RB26 and left no engine component unscathed. The bottom end is fitted with HKS forged pistons, an HKS full counter crankshaft, VeilSide titanium connecting rods, and VeilSide rod caps. Did I hear titanium? I think my jealous eyes are getting greener by the moment. The valvetrain is also treated with equally royal manners. Stuffed with VeilSide valves, valve guides, valvesprings, titanium retainers, and cams, the newly built top end is capable of atmospheric 10,000-plus rpm revs....


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.....* deeep*breath......HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHA

why do i need to have/own a 2JZ to discuss its overbearing performance domination over an RB26? the world has proven me right...
close this topic... 2JZ wins unless any of u nissan boyz got some real evidence???

1300 from a stock RB.... thanx guys i truly have not laughed so hard for a long time

I didnt state that veilside had a stock motor!!! Look back to the posts you ****in moron!

Secondly, insulting me is not gonna help you. I recommend you pull your head in...

It doesnt matter wtf you say, coz you obviously live through claims and others theories not your own experiences.

"Its common knowledge that it will crap itself around the 600 mark"
AND YOU PERSONAL EVIDENCE IS......? WHEN DID YOU OWN A GTR....?

You are like one of those internet nerds who read as much publicity they can on something, then jump on it thinkin you know the **** from personal experience purely due to believing what you read, when the reality is that you havent got a clue, hold on! You could be one of those retards who say "My Mate's got one of those man, yeah good for this, i've seen it"

Living through your mates ****, coz you aint ****!

"I BET YOU MORE THAN LIKELY DONT EVEN HAVE A 2J!!!! AND EVEN IF YOU DID IT WOULDN'T GET CLOSE TO GETTING DEVELOPMENT TO PROVE YOUR ****!

Its nice to dream, but not trying to live **** you cant bring to fruition...

Chop that keyboard...

[McLOVIN]

I suggest a duel at dawn. Muskets at 20 paces.

[Twe12ve]

Muskets! hahah!

[Joe]

I suggest that we calm down, or I lock this thread.

[V8ENZ]

to establish which motor is best we need one of each engine and 2 holden gemini's

[TRD]

myheadhurts, look mate dont get so worked up...u dissed me in your other post when you were talkin off topic...thats the reason for my response... U keep attacking me when U are the one off topic.

again why the need for 'personal evidence'? what evidence at all do you have that states otherwise? i'll happily accept anything written by a motor journalist, video whatever...

This topic is 2JZ vs RB26...
think of it this way if both these motors are in identical cars with identical drivetrains and equally skilled drivers then what will the outcome be?
and yes u are correct in assuming that i dont have a 2JZ....
i would love one! but i dont see why that matters...

also that 1300hp quote was from someone else but you quoted that quote and added to it but never denied the fact...i just assumed you supported that comment...my bad

Quote:
Originally Posted by B0BB0
Veilside make 1300ps on a stock motor. in there 34GTR. all you toyo fans, got no game.

the car has also done 340kmh +


with traction issues!!!!! Been claimed to easily hit around 400kmh.


im not an internet nerd trust me. i cant even get these quote things workin....
AND
dont get me wrong the GTR is an awesome car and the RB26 a great engine...
but this is 2JZ vs RB26...do ya get me now?

if this topic was which is the better car then the GTR wins easy i dont deny that fact...sure im a toyo nut but i recognise and respect other cars that deserve it...

now relax and take a chill pill boy! :D
we are all performance car lovers here...fly your flag proudly and i will fly mine, but we also gotta respect each others.

i'll leave it at that....im not here to start **** and i apologise for stepping on toes....

[ELUSIV]

Toyota - Nissan ~ Same

:P

[[RX2]]

[RX3] whens this vl gonna be ready.. any planned time frame? got any specs?

the car is coming together pretty quickly ,
its just a std import 2jz engine with bolt on mods

i would say its within 6months of completion
specs pics etc to come later with owners approval lol.

after the vl's built it would be good to hear the owners thoughts on 2jz vs
rb26's as he owns both :eek3:

[thommo]

sweeet good to here. did u says it bolt ons 2jz or internally built ?

hopefully my 2jz be rock n rolling by then also

[JME]

Keep playing with lego. M96TT pwns them all!!!

[adrenalin]

Keep playing with lego. M96TT pwns them all!!!


haha you may have to explain what motor that is jamie :)

[RB20ZED]

haha i saw this rb26 vs 2j thread and went oh no what noob dickhead made that
the shame oh the shame it was me like 2.5 years ago hahaha wtf who looked this far back ffs :>

[thrtytwo]

haha you may have to explain what motor that is jamie :)

i would assume some porsche engine ?

[Passage GT]

worst thread ever
lock it already
it's ****ing stupid

[marky85]

of course 2j wil win its got more capacity its like comparing 308 and 350. bust a os giken 3litre 26 block and then bolt all stock parts on and see what happens.im sure if nissan wanted their engine to put out 4million horsepower from stock they would of spent the billions of dollars in research to do it. rather then concentrate on a overall race package.nissan arnt even bothering with comparing toyotas anymore their going against porches with their new gtr and beating them around the nurburing with stock gtr. any1 can go fast in a straight line it wen the corner comes ur f*cked. awaits gettin flamed haha

[thommo]

i didnt know engines turned corners

[TRD]

Keep playing with lego. M96TT pwns them all!!!

just built my new car outta lego mate ;) not everyones a gazillionaire like u :P

and i hear u been runnin amok with my other mate jayme (blue makinen evo)
when u gunna take me for a spin? :D i wonder if ya porker is as quick as my old rolla hehe

[marky85]

haha meaning the cars that come with 2j arnt very corner freindly and all boats aristo chaser and a certain cressida haha

[thommo]

hahah thanks.

[B0BB0]

TRD, veilside have another GTR that dones 1300ps on standard internals. your think of there modified one pal.

and one thing you people have to note is that all the us figures are done on Dynojet dynos. and i can assure you a rb26 would make 700hp on one of these dynos with just bolt on mods, easy examply Peter Blight 530hp on Dyno Dynamics would go easy high 600 or crack 700hp on a dyno jet like genie.

oh and some mates of mine in japan do 800ps in there GTR's with un opened motors.

[iluv2moan]

not all dynos in us are dynojets!1 they do have dyno dynamics also

[kneedtotinkle]

omg, this thread is so ghey. SO YESTERDAY! (flicks hair back)

[TRD]

TRD, veilside have another GTR that dones 1300ps on standard internals. your think of there modified one pal.

and one thing you people have to note is that all the us figures are done on Dynojet dynos. and i can assure you a rb26 would make 700hp on one of these dynos with just bolt on mods, easy examply Peter Blight 530hp on Dyno Dynamics would go easy high 600 or crack 700hp on a dyno jet like genie.

oh and some mates of mine in japan do 800ps in there GTR's with un opened motors.

so they modified everything and got 1300hp...then did a stock one with the same power? i dont see why they would bother modifying the first one?
800ps is close to being believable

Im not saying your wrong but i see no evidence to prove you right?
1300ps is a big claim for a stock motor of any kind and im sure it wouldve been mentioned in the ongoing debate between 2JZs and RB26s in many motoring publications.

no other nissan boyz have yet to back your claim either...

[B0BB0]

Thank you thank you thank you.

TRD my friend, you have just shot yourself in the foot.


Im not saying your wrong but i see no evidence to prove you right?

Now you see, i have nothing to prove my claim right, just a dyno graph and what someone says. BUT

What do you have to prove that 2j actually make that power on a stock motor ? nothing !! you have the same amount of proof as my 1300ps rb26.

yes they may make the the power (figures that are higher than what we would see here) but you have no proof that the motors are actually stock. You will find people in life always understate what they got so there achievement actually look more impressive.

The only really way we will ever know is if someone did i dyno run, then pulled the motor down in a controller enviroment. but this is never going to happen. so we are left guessing what if.................

iluvn4s, yes i agree that not all us dyno are dynojet, but it you look at the like posted a few pages ago all the big hp cars are on dynojet.

at the end of the day let the 2j v rb26 coz if we all liked the same thing life will be plain.

bobbo