Turbo v V8 ?!?! [Archive] - Antilag Forums

ben351

11-01-2006, 10:22 AM

Ok quick debate guys i need some advice ... tossing up wether to snatch up another cheap V8 and pour some money into it or get a turbo ...

The V8 im lookin at is a Ford XY with a 302 on straight gas ( bonus cos you can run higher compression with out the pinging ) i can pick this car up really cheap cos its in pieces ready for panel & paint but the owner is lazy and cant be bothered ... all the pieces are there even BULK spare parts that cost more than what im paying for the car i figure with the purchase + pannel and paint and small engine rebuild for some more power its gonna set me back 7-8k
Keep in mind this will be my daily driver so i need it to be reliable so im not looking for bulk rwhp but something that looks nice and theres some power there when i need it.

Now i have NO idea about how much it would cost to buy + maintain a turbo ... if i was to buy one id go for a R32 2 door or a 180sx ...

Can anyone give me some ruff estimates on what you guys have spent on your cars so i can weigh my options up ... Bugdet is like under 20k i would spend on a turbo

Any help ??

[PIG GTS]

11-01-2006, 10:34 AM

u can get a hell nice 180sx or r32 for under 20k man

McKVNT

11-01-2006, 10:40 AM

Yeh 20k would net you a very nice 32 or 180.. or even get a good one for about 11-12 and do some work to it :) you'd have plenty left over to do some pretty nice **** to it :D

ReaperSS

11-01-2006, 10:43 AM

My own opinion is go the turbo!
Iv been there and had the V8's and yeah they sound good and go good but value for dollar has to be an import.
$13,000 to $15,000 you can have a reliable r32 with all comfort options eg aircon,climate control,smick and smooth interior etc and it should go good and handle very well and you would have an extra 5k to spend on it.
You will spent less to get better horse power than v8.

As long as your not a stupid f#ck like me and do donuts while low on oil the motor is pretty bullet proof as long as you look after and check oil and service regulary.
Just my opinion;)

ben351

11-01-2006, 10:43 AM

ok say i change the budget to 15k for now haha

ok then say i spend 12 on the car how much do mods cost like ... fmic, boost controler, BOV, Exhaust shiit like that

McKVNT

11-01-2006, 10:48 AM

front mount is **** all, got all my bits for it for under a grand, fitted myself - not hard.. don't need an aftermarket bov.. exhaust varies depending on if you get a custom one or just a premade one...

15 grand you'd still be pretty comfortable with..

ReaperSS

11-01-2006, 10:56 AM

$15,000 should get you a 180 or r32 with most mods allready done including turb upgrade. You will have $5000 extra to party with ;)

You could get on landed and onroad like this for about 15 ;) This is a bit gay though

http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/au/stock/details.asp?StockID=2594

Click ^^^^

Nemi

11-01-2006, 10:59 AM

buy something someone has done you always get awsome value for money coz you will never get the money you spend on a car back.

Brockas

11-01-2006, 11:04 AM

Ben, being a uni student with a part time job, I earn **** all. I can still maintain my turbo car quite easily and afford to mod it (yes, without help from parents).

FMIC - <$700
Exhaust - <$600
Manual boost controller - <$100
old SAFC + Tune - <$600

ben351

11-01-2006, 11:06 AM

brought not built ??? interesting ;)

i was thinking get the V8 do it up flog it off for like 8-10k ( its a genuine Fairmont with all acces and extras incl GT wing and genuine 12 slotters ) and then flog my XF off and then use that money to buy a turbo at the end of this year

what about importing one ?

McKVNT

11-01-2006, 11:08 AM

You can't really import R32's anymore(up to a certain year) I don't think cos of the 16 year rule ****(Not 100% sure on that info)... theres a few left that have approval already...

[RX2]

11-01-2006, 11:10 AM

ben , u being a ford fan , i'd go with building the xy , built well & if its a decent body you know there is all ways a market for a gt faker xy
- where as if you bought a jap car & didnt like it , they're hard to sell because there are so many around.
But , can you be bothered putting the car together anyway ?
also do you want a change ?
- i mean the reason i went from driving older cars to an import for a daily is because i was sick of old rattley heaps of sh!t , i wanted aircond & something that drives nice & a newer car for a daily !

doriae86

11-01-2006, 11:15 AM

brockas, but your folks prob purchased the car for you, thats the difference, all the others need to pay loan payments + mod and maintain turbo car. Its a different story

ben351

11-01-2006, 11:21 AM

best advice yet boogs ... cheers

Docile

11-01-2006, 11:32 AM

Get the falcon and turbo a V8 (351? is that possible??)
Best of both worlds and im sure you would have enough power to overtake :D

XY's are killa cars :) Be different :D

A 32 is probably the better daily driver tho, however they are still 15 years old...

mark089

11-01-2006, 12:08 PM

i say 180 but thats coz i love them
but you can get decent power out of a 180 with fmic zorst pod bigger turbo and some more boost (preferably sr)

nice j

11-01-2006, 12:16 PM

ben351

11-01-2006, 12:22 PM

get a hyundai getz and get 1000kms to a 30 ltr tank. haha
save your money
fuel is an issue these days
has all lux options as ur skyline/v8
+ will be brand new
+ will be the car that holds its value the highest out of all of them
otherthan that get the xy, theres enough rice going around ;)

yer ... read the first post you door handle ... its on gas so fuel is not an issue
and i think a genuine fairmont with genuine parts will hold its value more than a connom ricer 32

upgarage

11-01-2006, 12:27 PM

4GTEIT

11-01-2006, 12:30 PM

Brockas

11-01-2006, 12:31 PM

brockas, but your folks prob purchased the car for you, thats the difference, all the others need to pay loan payments + mod and maintain turbo car. Its a different story
fair call, I only paid half for it, and have now spent more than double that modifing it.
But if I had to pay off a loan I wouldn't be able to afford ****.

I guess I'm just trying to say it isn't as expensive to maintain a turbo car as people think. eg. servicing etc

Ian, right here buddy :flipa:

4GTEIT

11-01-2006, 12:32 PM

plus with an 8 theres allways double the parts to replace

180 sx

11-01-2006, 12:34 PM

buy a car already done up. I would say 180sx over a r32, but r32 do look nice done well. I hate the look of 180sx without bodykit, thats just my opinion. even a s14 would be a good option. Buy a 180sx for about 15-16,000 and make sure its been chiped and make sure its been well and truely chipped before any major mods has been put on the car. Ive found my mates who of which have had there engine stable for a long time, chipped and tuned there car before there did any major work to it, as there are a few people I know that tuned there cars well after they have modded the car, thus running lean for ages and then boom one day and they wonder why.......the v8 would be more reliable in the fact that there wont be as much things to worry about, but it wont have a look of an import, plus Im only a fan of v8s if they have bulk power otherwise put a external waste gate and screemer pipe on a 180sx or r32 and youll have a nice sounding import.

adrenalin

11-01-2006, 12:44 PM

My own opinion is go the turbo!
Iv been there and had the V8's and yeah they sound good and go good but value for dollar has to be an import.
$13,000 to $15,000 you can have a reliable r32 with all comfort options eg aircon,climate control,smick and smooth interior etc a
Just my opinion;)

Jap interiors arent comfort at all i am sorry. With the V8 however if your going old school with that i guess the interior aint an issue.

Bang for buck in jap cars cant be beaten and most of there motors are easy as to pull HP out of.

You could also go a R33 SII for under 20 k would be close to stock but at least it would have a lot less K's and prob in better nick over all.

ben351

11-01-2006, 12:45 PM

as much as I love Fords and the XY unless its a GT or a 351 I wouldnt bother...how many V8s do you see on the side of the road? then how many imports do you see on the side of the road I couldnt see a V8 lasting longer thana turbo motor but that depends on how hard you are willing to drive it I guess

ie.. imports all the way..cheap.reliable+modern and alot faster thana ****ty 302 POV pack

A) sayin unless its a GT or a 351 dont buy it is like saying unless its a GTR or a RB26DETT dont buy it ... smaller engines are capable or hp too but thats not what im after ... its gonna be a daily driver so i dont want massive hp.

B) how many V8's to turbos on the side of the road ... ??? what do you mean ?
parked or broken down ... cos i seem to remember a thread a while back where you guys listed what had broken on your car an be fukced if you think im gonna be like that ... if you look after your car it will stay on the road. Sorry tj ( not being a smart arse ) but your a prime example dude your cars spend more time off the road than on it an i hate to find out how much your in the hole for your cars.

Once my XF is running thats gonna be my weekend warrior so thats what im gonna be breaking stuff on not the daily.

C) V8 means double parts ?? two radiators ? two distributors ? two carbies ?
Last time i checked under the bonnet the only thing that was two of was my nuts hangin on the bumper dude

Slip_

11-01-2006, 01:08 PM

either would be just as good IMHO, as long as it pulls hard, its pretty much going to come down to what you want to drive on the weekend, honestly it sounds like your a Trev at heart so buying a import no matter how clean or well backed by aftermarket bolt on's you may well be let down...

if going for a import fu(k a 180sx or R32, so common it takes all the fun out IMO, try go for something a little different...

ever consider any old school toys? 1989 TT supra's are so fu(king cool IMO, better styling than the 180sx, sound fkn hard on gate, you could try hunt down a nice manual 89 soarer for $15,000.

if you do get a import, looking around for something different will make justifying expensive bits'n'pieces easier.

ek1civic

11-01-2006, 01:17 PM

Passage GT

11-01-2006, 02:51 PM

i reckon you already got yourself a decent eight ben
if you want a daily a japper is the way to go in my opinion
got all the normal comforts (air con electric windows) etc etc and they can be made to go hard cheaply and reliably
sure they won't sound as good as an eight but jappers can sound good (excepting sr20's of course) so why not enjoy the best of both worlds, get the xf on the road as a weekend warrior and have a nice import as your daily
personally i'd go a 32 if i was to choose between those two cars
also take all these posts as advice only dude, it's your decision in the end

ben351

11-01-2006, 03:02 PM

yeahhh but its all good advice so yeah ill take it on board

still leaning towards the XY at the moment ... its like one of my fav all time cars and you dont get oppurtunities like this very often with car like that ... jappers at the moment are becomeing the new VN an EB's hahah silvias and skylines everywhere ...

McKVNT

11-01-2006, 03:22 PM

Going by what you have been saying - I'd say go for the XY - you would have fun in the import, but I reckon you would have more in the XY - does sound like you really want it

180 sx

11-01-2006, 03:30 PM

if going for a import fu(k a 180sx or R32, so common it takes all the fun out IMO, try go for something a little different...

ever consider any old school toys? 1989 TT supra's are so fu(king cool IMO, better styling than the 180sx, sound fkn hard on gate,
lol gay
dont go a 89 supra there so ****!!

180 sx

11-01-2006, 03:31 PM

my mates got one done up and my xr6t totals it big time

vy ss ute m6

11-01-2006, 04:41 PM

my advice would be to buy a CHEAP reliable ****ter. say buy something that suits your needs for 5K...leaving you close to 10-15K to spend on ur other 8:D

ELUSIV

11-01-2006, 05:04 PM

for a $15-$20k budget id go with an S14, preferably an S14a to be honest.
First they are locally delivered = cheaper on insurance and there are more parts already in the country as well. Generally speaking of course.
SR20 probably 1 of the most modified jap engines ever, they respond very well 2 mods and due to every man and his chinese dog making parts for them all the sh!t is dirt cheap.
S14's are a nice car 2 drive, i drove an S14a and it was firm yet comfortable over most surfaces, when u wanted to give it a bit of stick or sideways action it was definately a well balanced and predictable chasis to work with so it is a lot of fun to drive hard.
Easy to get 250+rwhp out of as well with just bolt ons, and when you want to go more serious as i said, more parts out there than u will know what to do with.

Mk3 supra's are also nice, but are getting a touch old, arent as nice to drive as the newer s series cars, but with a 1JZ and a big single i'll dish the chop fairly easily, but definately more of a cruiser than a sports car.

Considered things such as JZX90/JZX100 Chasers/MarkII's? I am heavily biased but thats cos they are just a f*cken fantastic car that are really hard to fault anything with, but they are 4 door, may not be quite your thing.

Good luck with it all!

steve.

Drift_R32

11-01-2006, 05:20 PM

nothing beats the sound the sound of a lumpy V8 with gilmers i reckon, i say restore or do up a XY or XT faker, your may never get the money back on it, although depends if u keep it long enough it may become valuable...buy a clean stock V8 verion for 3 to 5k and then blow 10k on motor(i suggest 383 stroker, BIG solid cam, C4 port and polished with BIg vavles, gilmers twin 2.5 inch dumping before diff) interior, mags, paint..aslong as u do alot yourself otherwise labour will eat the 10k easy

i see it this way..u wanna drive something that people see 100 times a day and dont even notice or something that your proud to drive because youve put much hard work into and grabs attention where ever u take it..

my opinion

GTS4SUM

11-01-2006, 05:57 PM

i say go the turbo, but i can tell or ture v8 fan so anything i say wont change your mind.

180 sx

11-01-2006, 05:58 PM

if you were originally worried about fuel ^^drift_r32 idea, will make you really poor. :p

Drift_R32

11-01-2006, 06:49 PM

yeh i wouldnt have that as a daily driver..buy a $500 rolla or datsun for work

ben351

11-01-2006, 07:50 PM

yeah i plan .. in the future .. to spend cash on my 51 in the XF

the XY would just be a daily

Drift_R32

11-01-2006, 07:59 PM

if u want a sweet daily Driver..get a cortina and put a stock 351 in that, manual with a locker would whip out something scary, plus becuase it so light would go hard with not much work..possibly diff gears, hard shocks and springs, extractors

mark089

11-01-2006, 08:04 PM

i still say an sr 180sx would be your best option but anyway :p

DISTRBD

11-01-2006, 08:16 PM

Cant beat the sound of a crisp V8 :)

4GTEIT

11-01-2006, 11:09 PM

if you put it back together the right way and dont mind spending the time doing it, the XY will be a car that you will not lose money on, check out aussiemusclecarsales.net, being a fairmont you already have the interior to do up as a faker, and with the gas you will have cheap running cost, and at the end of the day if you dont like it sell it and make money to spend on an import(should easy double money back)

wow melissa I didnt know you knew that much about XY's & old school musscle cars, tell me melissa do you know who allan moffet was :op: "rolls eyes" nice 1 Dale..its a FALCON not a FAIRMONT..

Miggy

12-01-2006, 12:50 AM

F***en hell this **** still going on? Get over it this is a car forum.

Get the XY Ben there rare as anything now, get it looking like a PHASE III and that would be awesome!

this was at summernats

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/skylineracer1/GTHO.jpg

4GTEIT

12-01-2006, 07:24 AM

OHHHH YUMMY :P HO's are the ShizNit

ben351

12-01-2006, 08:37 AM

wow melissa I didnt know you knew that much about XY's & old school musscle cars, tell me melissa do you know who allan moffet was :op: "rolls eyes" nice 1 Dale..its a FALCON not a FAIRMONT..

Read my first couple of posts ... it is a XY FAIRMONT you d1ck ...
you wanna slagg off ya ex then do it in PM ... im askin for advice not dribble .. cheers to everyone else

ben351

12-01-2006, 08:39 AM

yeah that pic is hot ... deffinatley gonna have some dish on the rims !!!
**** the 12 slotters off ( or keep them for burnouts ) and get some dish

4GTEIT

12-01-2006, 08:59 AM

yep ok... bitching session ends of now.. promise

ReaperSS

12-01-2006, 09:04 AM

That pic of the xy is sweet! love the white interior and white rims :) Different!

LILMSCRZY

12-01-2006, 09:22 AM

personally i like the XR6 Turbo utes the best, they go hard!!! but expensive for the new ones... 180s are alright, wen they fk up they cost alot, btu thats same with most imports too, its really depending how much time u put into your car, how well u look after it, and wat its driven for, racing, daily, work?

the mekanik

12-01-2006, 01:03 PM

I vote force fed 302..

E28drifta

12-01-2006, 01:04 PM

ben, i think booga hit the nail on the head.

i like the 180's and the R32's, but i love my old school cars. as far as practibility go's the 180 & the 32 wouldn't really be ideal for a daily driver. yes they would have all the mod cons but, you have to think about space, how much its going to cost if something breaks, buying a second hand import, or should i say turbo, is more risky than buying SH V8, the amount of kays you will clock up on it will affect resale value of an turbo alot more etc etc...

i'm going to throw something out there, you may have already thought of but, why don't you use the XF as your daily and do the XY as your weekend car? being the XF is a bit newer, it may already have air con and probably has less clunks and groans suspension wise. just have a mild 302 in that, possibly even on gas too, and drop the 351 in the XY for your weekend cruiser come bruiser. personally thats the way i would go. just my 2c...

ben351

12-01-2006, 01:21 PM

yeah i had that thought yesterday too dude ... nice one !

Sciflyer

12-01-2006, 02:13 PM

Get the best of both worlds - Soarer V8

not that im biased or anything :boink:

MrMayhem

12-01-2006, 02:21 PM

I guess it depends what you want wierdo

XY's have the old school ora, will only go up in value if you rebuild her properly. Very rare to see a XY on the road these days good if you want a project/ cruiser. But if you want somethign to handle well find something else. My first car was a XY followed by a few other similar era fords.