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Tre-Cool
18-03-2019, 03:32 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-17/22-year-old-new-zealand-man-appear-court-sharing-mosque-attack-video
Fucking crazy law. Share a video, go to jail...
Thoughts?
I've watched the video, maybe im too desensitized, but it didn't get much of a reaction out of me, since it looked very 1st person shooter (pun not intended) game'ish.
Guy is clearly a fucking fruitcake, so calm.
De-sensitised is the word.
Far too much of this has de-sensitised me. >>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
When terror happens on the daily. You get so fucking used to it. I dont know why everyone is making such a big deal out of Christchurch?
Is it because he filmed it? > ISIS / taliban / al queda would often film and upload beheadings of captured servicemen and journalists. So I dont think filming it is cause for such reaction.
Is it because he went into a place of worship and killed innocents??? Last month abu sayyaf / islamic state bombed a cathedral in the phillipenes, killing 20+. And that barely gets a mention in the MSM. So I dont think attacking a place of worship is a cause for such hysteria.
Maybe its the proximity to Australia??? Well the distance between philipenes and Aus isnt that different from the distance between NZ and Aus, and we barely heard about the Philippines bombing, So I dont think its proximity to Aus that is causing such a stir in our media.
Maybe because its a terror attack against the religion of peace? The protected class? Yes, that has to be it. Islam is so peacefull and has never done anything to incite hatred ever, in all its history. Its not like muslims are directly responsible for 97% of all terror attacks worldwide is it. (If it wasnt for US shootings, that figure would be about 100%.)
And its not like over 99.5% of all suicide bombings worldwide are committed by muslims. So when someone randomly decides they want to shoot up a mosque. (A mosque that is known to have have radicalised and exported ISIS terrorists no less.) It makes no sense why someone would suddenly snap like and take it out on a bunch of muslims. So this has to be why its making such a stir in the media and online?
dattoman
18-03-2019, 06:39 PM
I've not seen the vid
I'd like to... as I can then form my own opinion on whats going on
All I've seen is kneejerk and I'd like to know more detail than just ... guy x did this.. .so many dead
I'd like to read the manifesto too
I downloaded my copy of the video and the manifesto from a torrent i found on kiwi farms. But i wont be sharing it. It was merely to see what was going on.
dmanvan
18-03-2019, 09:20 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-17/22-year-old-new-zealand-man-appear-court-sharing-mosque-attack-video
Fucking crazy law. Share a video, go to jail...
Thoughts?
I've watched the video, maybe im too desensitized, but it didn't get much of a reaction out of me, since it looked very 1st person shooter (pun not intended) game'ish.
Guy is clearly a fucking fruitcake, so calm.
it should be all the people who were so spatially unaware of what was going on .... he drove around for ages streaming before he even got to the mosque ,, driving crazy, headcam on helmet in car, through almost peak hour traffic yet everyone so busy in their own world or on their phones they didnt think anything wrong....
he even went out to his car to check his route in the middle of it all and took police like 17 mins from when it was called in to even get there.... That morning his manifesto had even arrived in politicians office.... can't believe there is that many mosques that they did nothing about it or didnt know where to start...
the kicker is that headscarf wearing adern's own party has been yielding to gun lobby every time they went to change gun laws.....hows ya soft stance now..
on a side note points for attention to detail most crazies aren't bothered with thesis style manifesto's or carefully choosing their FPV music to include classics such as 'remove kebab' and 'waffen SS remix' ..... wow... he will have a long time to ponder i guess
Tre-Cool
18-03-2019, 10:08 PM
yeah my thoughts are this guy has put a lot of thought into all the possible meme's on the internet.
even the whole white supremacy finger display in court (which is another meme again). everything this guy is doing is wierd or very meticulous.
typical media covering for the whole white man bad because he killed muslims. then trying to tie that into donald trump. haha shit is laughable.
The censorship is taking place is Aus too. Telstra and Vodafone are both blocking access to Bitchute and other sites at the ISP level.
I'd say the shock is the fact that it is New Zealand who is our sister nation really, how close it is to Australia and the fact that is it is a relatively peaceful nation.
We easily wash over yet another bombing in some third world country because it isn't across the road.
What about when someone shoots and bombs 137 people in france. Or drives a truck into hundred of pedestrians in germany. Or bombs a stadium in the UK. Or hand-grenades a police station in sweden.
France, germany, uk and sweden arent 3rd world shitholes. yet
Im still confused why these incidents dont recieve the same response.
You can literally go onto anyone of hundreds of different youtube videos and watch JFKs head explode. (About as graphic as the Christchurch shooter exploding peoples heads in his attack)
Or watch machine gun fire from the LV attack where a similar number of people died last year.
Or watch THOUSANDS of people die from world trade center attack. Some of them literally jump to thier death because it was less painfull than being burned alive.
Just sayin.
What about when someone shoots and bombs 137 people in france. Or drives a truck into hundred of pedestrians in germany. Or bombs a stadium in the UK. Or hand-grenades a police station in sweden.
France, germany, uk and sweden arent 3rd world shitholes. yet
Im still confused why these incidents dont recieve the same response.
They do and they did - but once again, they aren't our neighbours. Level of reaction is always going to be greater when it's next door.
Regardless, in our 24 hours news cycle life, most people who aren't in Aus or NZ have already moved on. Just like we forget the latest America mass shooting, etc, etc, etc. Just like you've forgotten the worldwide reaction to all of your mentioned terror events.
They do and they did - but once again, they aren't our neighbours. Level of reaction is always going to be greater when it's next door.
Regardless, in our 24 hours news cycle life, most people who aren't in Aus or NZ have already moved on. Just like we forget the latest America mass shooting, etc, etc, etc. Just like you've forgotten the worldwide reaction to all of your mentioned terror events.
Why is it considered acceptable to NOT censor video / imagery of the terror attacks / murder against westerners i mention in my post above. But it is nessisary to scrub the internet of the NZ video? Not trying to be argumentitive. Generally curious as to why the double standards apply here? Is there something different with the NZ incident that seperates it from regular old psycho murder?
The paranoid members of our society might see this as confimation that there is preferential treatment. One could even make the argument that is likely to radicalise people further.
My answer is 4 words, and not trying to be argumentative either -
Don't know
Don't care
I am no expert on the matter beyond my thoughts above. Someone will no doubt be able to provide a reason whilst blaming the extreme left, or right, or SJW, or or or.
Heres some more hypocrasy.
https://youtu.be/_NNY5PBAzDE
You tube video showing man shot in back of the head by LVPD. No banning. No prison for sharing or downloading. Totoally acceptable to watch.
S85FI
20-03-2019, 10:22 PM
Its only a matter of months before this happens in Australia. When it does I'm sure you don't want the world to watch over and over how helpless you may feel.
We should have concern of what goes on around the world. Even.more when its hours away from Perth.....
As to the religious or Muslim faith-you appear to know little about it.
As to terrorism this was borne by the British.
As to terrorism in the middle east - this is also thanks to the soviets.
In reality and based on world events the Muslim race is rather peaceful and their terrorism attacks are from being attacked from countries with a superior military forcing you as a country that's been invaded to do nothing but retaliation of guerilla warfare.
As to desensitize..id say more insulated from the violence from the safe haven of the screen. Based on my experience I'd say when it comes to the crunch 99% people will run, freeze or just wimper when shit gets real.
HANS YOLO
21-03-2019, 03:03 PM
Found this on the boards while doing some other research
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VRRZI8Pre7oa/
note, your ISP might be blocking it...VPN if you have to or try another provider (mates wifi etc...Aussie BB ain't stopping it yet)
What are they going to do, arrest and charge the vast majority of the population for sharing a link? Totally stupid, making an apparent example of someone in this situation won't in my opinion do anything.
The PC movement is getting beyond a joke.
Tre-Cool
21-03-2019, 09:14 PM
lol, now this.
https://defiantamerica.com/new-zealand-will-broadcast-the-muslim-call-to-prayer-across-the-nation-and-will-have-jesus-removed-from-their-parliamentary-prayer/
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced New Zealand will broadcast the Muslim call to prayer across the nation on TV and radio Friday. That same day New Zealand women are being encouraged to wear the Islamic head covering on Friday in sympathy with Muslims in the wake of the mass shooting terror attack by white eco-nationalist Brenton Tarrant at two Christchurch mosques last Friday that killed 50 and wounded dozens.
As to the religious or Muslim faith-you appear to know little about it.
Quite the opposite actually. Islam, and more particularily its global impact is something I have spent quite some time looking into over the last few years. As it is something i truly consider quite dangerous. (Not being a racist. Just looking at the facts.)
As to terrorism this was borne by the British.
Do you have any factual data or sources to back up this wild claim? I know the Irish were a big fan of terror attacks. But they are not british.
As to terrorism in the middle east - this is also thanks to the soviets.
The soviet union has not existed for nearly 3 decades. If islamic terror was because of the soviets, then surely it would have died down in the years following the disbanding of the soviet union. When in reality, islamic terror attacks have increased exponentially over the last 3 decades. If what you say is correct, then not only should terror have died down, what terror there is, would be targeted at former soviet states. Neither of which is true.
In reality and based on world events the Muslim race is rather peaceful and their terrorism attacks are from being attacked from countries with a superior military forcing you as a country that's been invaded to do nothing but retaliation of guerilla warfare.
Just to be clear. Can you please clarify your above statement. To me it sounds like you are justifying islamic terror attacks as legitimate means to counter war. If islam is using terror as a means of war, then it would be absolutely insane for a country like australia, (that has been involved in afganistan, iraq and syria) to allow islam into the country. Because that would be like letting someone you are at war with in to your home.
Lets look a little closer at some factual examples of islamic terror and tell me if you still feel this is justified. And if you consider this the actions of a peacefull race (BTW Islam is not a race. It is a authoritarian ideology that incorporates elements of religion, political doctrine, rule of law and military/militia. It is so much more than just a religion, and I think this is what the vast majourity of people are ignorant of.)
Rather than spend hours and hours listing the literal thousands of confirmed islamic terror events over the last few decades alone, I ask you to actually read though the list and look at some of the carnage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
I think you will be surprised to see that the majority of islamic terror happens in islamic dominated countries. (Not surprising when the vast majority of terror attacks are committed by muslims. But the thing that has me personally worried is that there is very clear correlation between how islamic a country/population is and how many terror attacks take place there. And the afore mentioned statistics that muslims are responsible for >99.5% of modern suicide bombing terror attacks.
Not only that, there is some extremely disgusting human rights injustices in islam. Including the treatment of women, homosexuals and disabled. And then there is how non-muslims are treated in islamic countries (ie bombed / shot / stabbed / raped)
As to desensitize..id say more insulated from the violence from the safe haven of the screen. Based on my experience I'd say when it comes to the crunch 99% people will run, freeze or just wimper when shit gets real.
Definitely. Terror has no place is a civilised society. Im not justifing Brenton Tarrents actions in any way. But. Is it really surprising when any peacefull discussion involving Islam is instantly shut down because of racism. Any political movement opposing Islam is instantly shut down because of racism. People want to bury thier heads in the sand and say islam is peacefull, when the overwealming evidence is quite the contrary. What other option do people with legitimate concerns have? Subjugate or ......
HotAe92
22-03-2019, 01:21 PM
Ben Shapiro wrote a fairly concise article on the issue:
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/20/how-to-silence-debate-new-zealand-edition/
SimonR32
22-03-2019, 03:07 PM
And if you consider this the actions of a peacefull race (BTW Islam is not a race. It is a authoritarian ideology that incorporates elements of religion, political doctrine, rule of law and military/militia. It is so much more than just a religion, and I think this is what the vast majourity of people are ignorant of.)
I'll bite... Which religion doesn't or hasn't incorporated all if not most of the elements you have mentioned?
You also note correctly that Islam isn't a race, but in your first sentence comment "Not being racist" so maybe yourself are confused.
I'll bite... Which religion doesn't or hasn't incorporated all if not most of the elements you have mentioned?
You also note correctly that Islam isn't a race, but in your first sentence comment "Not being racist" so maybe yourself are confused.
Firstly. You are mistaking Islam as just a religion. Islam is alot more than a religion.
All other religions have done some pretty fucked up shit through out history. No one can deny that. I myself am an aethiest. As I dont see any logic in any religion. But one key difference i would like to highlight here, is there is only one "religion" that overwelmingly continues to do fucked up things throughout the world to this day. I am happy to be proven wrong. For example can you produce a 10+ page list of buddist bombings and shootings of innocents from the last decade or 2. Or a 10+ page list of hindu terror attacks. Or a 10+ page list of Christian terror???
Another very important distiction to make, (and this goes back to my comment that Islam is more than a religion) Is the seperation between church and state. Western countries have made this seperation for a relatively long time now. But in islam. The church IS the the state.
As for the not racist comment. That one clearly went right over your head. Ill try and explain it as best I can ;
The default way to defer any criticisms of islam in the west, is NOT to defend islam with logic and reason. Citing examples of all the good it does, or examples of how its not responsible for terrible evils throughout the world. It is to simply attack the character of the person raising the concerns with islam. If you attack the person and not the argument, then, you can very easily shut down any conversation and defeat any critism. Because racist. Because nazi. Because alt-right. Because far right. Because islamaphobe. Because insert next negative buzz word here.
BTW, Do you know what the default way to defend islam from critisim in countries that are majourity islamic??? Is to simply kill the person making the critisim. The critisism stops pretty quick when you take this approach.
A 3rd key distinction between Islam and other religions. You dont have leaders of the other religions calling terror attacks "comedy films". I dont rememeber the pope ever making that comparison. I dont remember the deli lama ever making that comparison. But I do remember when Inman Omar Abdelkafi made that comparison. There are elements within Islam that teach hate and praise acts of terror. No other religion that I know of does this.
Damo 69
22-03-2019, 07:47 PM
keen for a deli lama sandwhich
Clearly im not a very good buddist.
HANS YOLO
23-03-2019, 11:32 AM
Soooo.....anyone follow Q in here?
Tre-Cool
23-03-2019, 03:04 PM
Soooo.....anyone follow Q in here?
sort of, plenty of vids pop up in my youtube.
i started listening to dan bongino a few months back.
Definitely some interesting things going to happen to some high powered people
Frenchy
23-03-2019, 09:16 PM
The censorship is taking place is Aus too. Telstra and Vodafone are both blocking access to Bitchute and other sites at the ISP level.
TPG is still open. Bestgore is working fine , but fuck most of the stuff on there makes the Christchurch stuff seem like playschool!
SimonR32
25-03-2019, 05:43 PM
1. Firstly. You are mistaking Islam as just a religion. Islam is alot more than a religion.
2. All other religions have done some pretty fucked up shit through out history. No one can deny that. I myself am an aethiest. As I dont see any logic in any religion. But one key difference i would like to highlight here, is there is only one "religion" that overwelmingly continues to do fucked up things throughout the world to this day. I am happy to be proven wrong. For example can you produce a 10+ page list of buddist bombings and shootings of innocents from the last decade or 2. Or a 10+ page list of hindu terror attacks. Or a 10+ page list of Christian terror???
3. Another very important distiction to make, (and this goes back to my comment that Islam is more than a religion) Is the seperation between church and state. Western countries have made this seperation for a relatively long time now. But in islam. The church IS the the state.
4. As for the not racist comment. That one clearly went right over your head. Ill try and explain it as best I can ;
The default way to defer any criticisms of islam in the west, is NOT to defend islam with logic and reason. Citing examples of all the good it does, or examples of how its not responsible for terrible evils throughout the world. It is to simply attack the character of the person raising the concerns with islam. If you attack the person and not the argument, then, you can very easily shut down any conversation and defeat any critism. Because racist. Because nazi. Because alt-right. Because far right. Because islamaphobe. Because insert next negative buzz word here.
5. BTW, Do you know what the default way to defend islam from critisim in countries that are majourity islamic??? Is to simply kill the person making the critisim. The critisism stops pretty quick when you take this approach.
1. I'm not mistaking anything, it's a religion.
2. In the last 50 or so years I can't actually think of any religion that hasn't been attributed to atrocities... You use Buddhist as an example (you can't even spell it), heard of Myanmar? Hindu, maybe google Saffron terror, Christianity... They have calmed the farm since the middle ages but still, have you ever heard of the United States?
3. Quick trivia question, who is the Australian Head of State? Bonus points for who is the head of the Church of England
4. No it went over your head, you were referring to Islam not being a race but because it's not a race it's not "not being racist" it's "not being a bigot"
5. Please provide a reference to any law or otherwise that results in capital punishment as the default for criticising Islam in any of the majority Islamic countries.
You may not be a racist, but you clearly are showing as least are ignorant and absolutely a bigot
SimonR32
25-03-2019, 05:50 PM
A 3rd key distinction between Islam and other religions. You dont have leaders of the other religions calling terror attacks "comedy films". I dont rememeber the pope ever making that comparison. I dont remember the deli lama ever making that comparison. But I do remember when Inman Omar Abdelkafi made that comparison. There are elements within Islam that teach hate and praise acts of terror. No other religion that I know of does this.
I'm sorry, what role and where does he sit in their leadership group? Oh wait he doesn't, he is a religious commentator. Not hard to find worse in other religions
S85FI
25-03-2019, 10:12 PM
A 3rd key distinction between Islam and other religions. You dont have leaders of the other religions calling terror attacks "comedy films". I dont rememeber the pope ever making that comparison. I dont remember the deli lama ever making that comparison. But I do remember when Inman Omar Abdelkafi made that comparison. There are elements within Islam that teach hate and praise acts of terror. No other religion that I know of does this.
So the pope is a goody two shoe? Wonder how many prosecutions will occur with the Catholic faith?
If a Muslim is an issue for I sure hope you dont go to Bali Malaysia etc. For a holiday. You may find 95% of the population against you. The other 5% probably did burn outs at mosque for fun etc.....
S85FI
25-03-2019, 10:13 PM
keen for a deli lama sandwhich
Skid?
Damo 69
25-03-2019, 10:30 PM
So the pope is a goody two shoe? Wonder how many prosecutions will occur with the Catholic faith?
If a Muslim is an issue for I sure hope you dont go to Bali Malaysia etc. For a holiday. You may find 95% of the population against you. The other 5% probably did burn outs at mosque for fun etc.....
people who do burnouts infront of a mosque in Malaysia should be lynched!
Simon.
1. Yes, A religion with political intentions, laws and active military.
2. Here you go attacking the person not the argument. Whether i can spell or have correct grammer has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of the points im making. So again Ill ask. Can you list any religion with a 10+ page long list of slaughter from just the last few decades. Because i can only find 1 with a rep sheet like that. Sure every religion has had shit go down. I totoally agree. But only one religion continues to do this shit on a level un-matched by anyone else. Just incase you missed it in a previous post. 97% of all terror is islamic terror. That means EVERY other race, religion, ideology, political movenment, and cult on this planet is responsible for just 3%
Did you know, since 1st jan this year, 2500 people have been slain from terror attacks across the globe. Thats 2500 humans dead in less than 3 months... whos responsible for all this mindless carnage you ask???? Well, lets look at who has claimed responsibility; islamic state, boko harram, hammas, al-shabaab, ansar al sunna, jaish-e-mohummed, hizbul mujahideen, talrir al-sham, houthi movement, Palestinian nationals, taliban, and al-queda have all claimed resposibility for these various attacks. (I wonder what 1 thing they all have in common???) Plus a few non-islamic terror attacks in south america. Oh, yeah dont forget Brenton Tarrant, he was responsible for about 2% of those deaths over in NZ too.
I guess facts are racist bigots too hey?
3. Please explain what this has do with anything?
4. Its semantics and irrelavent. Again. You are attacking the person. Whether or not the word is technically correct or not, no one can deny, as soon as anyone raises questions why death, murder and terror is so common place in islam, they are labbelled as a defamitory -ist, -phobe, nazi or bigot. Your very response highlights this. Somehow in this upside down world. Killing thousands of people for religious reasons is totoally justified. But questioning the religion doing the killing is fucking worse than hitler.
5. Too easy. Iran, Suadi Arabia, and Sudan have all openly EXECUTED people within the last few decades for the crime of Apostasy. Apostacy is denouncing Islam, either by word or by script. Or any deed or utterance that implies disbelief. Its not hard to concieve that critisimg Islam is an utterance that shows disbelief. I believe the actual phrase in the quran is "to kill them wherever you find them." The haddith also has something along those lines too. Shit, It was only a month or 2 ago that Rahaf Alqunun supposedly fled Suadi Arabia in fear of her life for this crime. The king of Suadi Arabia royally decrees that you must follow sharia law and the quran. In KSA, a royal decree is like a regulation, not quite law. Because royal decree must be subordante to sharia law. Sharia law is the law in ksa
You only have to look at what happens to coptis in current day egypt or christians in phillipenes or homosexuals in orlando or comic authors in france. Hell, you only have to be the wrong sect of islam in pakistan to warrant being exploded or shot.
So the pope is a goody two shoe? Wonder how many prosecutions will occur with the Catholic faith?
If you are reffering to pedo priests. Yes totoally fucked up.
But i think whats happened in rochdale, rotherham, telford, oxford, birmingham and others with the pakistani child rape gangs makes what the catholic kiddy fiddlers do look like childs play. Literally organised gang rape, prostituition, abuse, torture and even murder of thousands and thousands girls. And please dont take this as any kind of justification for any catholic abuse. But there is a subtle difference between these 2 horrible things. A pedo will actively enter the catholic church so that he can have access to the alter boys. He is a pedo first and becomes a priest in order to further being a pedo. When you have the child rape gangs. They are muslims first and become pedos to further the religion.
https://counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/rotherham-muslim-rape-gangs.jpg
EDIT. And its not just UK that has child rape gangs predominately committed by members of a common religious group. This has happened in Australia. And there have been convictions. Early 2000s there was a series of gang rapes in sydney, against girls as young as 14.
Mohammed Skaf
Mohammed Sanoussi
Mahmoud Sanoussi
Mahmoud Chami
Mohammed Ghanem
Bilal Skaf
Apart from nearly all having the name mohammed, there is something else they all have in common.
I'm sorry, what role and where does he sit in their leadership group? Oh wait he doesn't, he is a religious commentator. Not hard to find worse in other religions
Please show me other religious teachers who have said worse?
The point im making, is that within islam, there are are those that preach terror and praise acts of terror. And they use islam to spread terror. You are naive if you believe he is the only islamic scholar with these kinds views.
S85FI
26-03-2019, 07:01 AM
Bram - you have lost the plot.....and it's this mind set that gets the world all busted up.
If I can be bothered I might jump on lap top and perhaps provide you with a history lesson starting back in around 1943 - 1980. You can then join the dots but you can also blame Hilter and Stalin then later modern Russian in the 1980's in afganistan which ultimately has let the world where it is today.
Ok. So now im crazy? I raise real concerns and cite pages examples of the destruction caused by this particular religion. And im crazy. Not the ones doing the destruction?
If you are reffering to pedo priests. Yes totoally fucked up.
But i think whats happened in rochdale, rotherham, telford, oxford, birmingham and others with the pakistani child rape gangs makes what the catholic kiddy fiddlers do look like childs play. Literally organised gang rape, prostituition, abuse, torture and even murder of thousands and thousands girls. And please dont take this as any kind of justification for any catholic abuse. But there is a subtle difference between these 2 horrible things. A pedo will actively enter the catholic church so that he can have access to the alter boys. He is a pedo first and becomes a priest in order to further being a pedo. When you have the child rape gangs. They are muslims first and become pedos to further the religion.
https://counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/rotherham-muslim-rape-gangs.jpg
EDIT. And its not just UK that has child rape gangs predominately committed by members of a common religious group. This has happened in Australia. And there have been convictions. Early 2000s there was a series of gang rapes in sydney, against girls as young as 14.
Mohammed Skaf
Mohammed Sanoussi
Mahmoud Sanoussi
Mahmoud Chami
Mohammed Ghanem
Bilal Skaf
Apart from nearly all having the name mohammed, there is something else they all have in common.
And this case speaks for all Muslim people?
https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/282798.pdf
WASHINGTON -- In a new report, the U.S. State Department says Belarus, Iran, Russia, and Turkmenistan remain among the worst offenders of human trafficking and forced labor.
The department’s annual Trafficking In Persons report, which is aimed at curbing human trafficking, was unveiled in a ceremony in Washington on June 28 by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and presidential adviser Ivanka Trump.
It evaluates 187 countries and territories and ranks them into four tiers (Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 2 Watch List, and Tier 3), with Tier 1 being the best and Tier 3 the worst.
Russia, Belarus, Iran, and Turkmenistan were among 22 countries ranked as Tier 3. Others included Burma (also known as Myanmar), China, North Korea, Syria, and Venezuela.
Seems to be a fair spread of religious bases across the 22 worst countries.
Rajvosa
26-03-2019, 07:55 AM
Bram if you honestly spent as much time googling about good things Muslims have/are doing you’d probably find a lot of info. If you can’t be bothered I’m happy for you to join me for a few days in meeting actual Muslims and not brainwashed psychos who claim to be Muslims. I’m not saying they aren’t commiting horrible crimes but seriously mate there is a LOT LOT more of us who walk amongst you and follow the law and fuck around with cars and do the usual stuff people do.
adrenalin
26-03-2019, 08:15 AM
People not understanding why the videos are getting deleted cant be that stupid ...
To stop other people watching it and thinking " fuck yea what a good idea might go do something stupid myself "
People not understanding why the videos are getting deleted cant be that stupid ...
To stop other people watching it and thinking " fuck yea what a good idea might go do something stupid myself "
BuT mA fReEdOmS
People not understanding why the videos are getting deleted cant be that stupid ...
To stop other people watching it and thinking " fuck yea what a good idea might go do something stupid myself "
Totoally valid point. I can see that point of view. But do you think its to prevent copy cat attacks. Or to prevent revenge attacks?
It is interesting to note a couple of points. 1st is that this type banning is very selective. Eg, NZ - banned. Videos of september 11 - freely available to watch to anyone with a net connection. Death toll wise, september 11 attacks were many many many times more severe than NZ.
Whether banning videos/books/ideas is right or wrong is besides the point. If you are going to ban, then it cannot be done selectively. You cannot have one rule for one and another rule for another. This is just as likely to fuel a radical incident as the video itself.
If banning is the way forward. Then perhaps banning books that call for the 'killing of non-believers wherever you find them' should be banned aswell. I know its still early days yet after NZ. But this book has so far inspired alot more terror than that video. But neither of these is practical. The book is out there. And so is the video. The video has been downloaded and copied thousands and thousands of times already. Its in the wild now. Just like the book.
adrenalin
26-03-2019, 12:18 PM
Because you have to blanket spread rules based on the lowest common denominator. Its no different to road rules.
S85FI
26-03-2019, 02:03 PM
1. Bram you are a fuck wit.
2. Copy cat material is banned because it's a real problem. Look at the suicide rate. It's not provided how they did it. Because copy cat.
3. Countries like NZ are doing the right thing. stops isolated radicals ideas forming.
4. USA doesn't ban things. NrA is just too powerful now. Twin towers happened in the USA so server uploads are controlled from that country.
5. USA gun control is slack and so is their gun control stations. If I can go through a check point in the Hydro Plant at the Grand Canyon with a rifle and pistol in tow then what help has the USA got? And that was after reading the sign for a full station inspection.
6. I'm a gun nut - absolutely love it. But..as Adrenalin pointed out. Lowest common citizen.....
7. Rajvosa -nailed it. In fact when I first me him in street meets had know idea he was hiding a bomb in his car. Besides that he is an awesome bloke to chat to at car relevant events and certainly knows more about Euro stuff than I do. I drive one ffs. Would I stop chatting to him? Absolutely not.
8. I'm guessing you live a very sheltered and insulated life because based on your comments you have not travelled the world.
9. I have no citations to support my comments. Just my opinions.
10. I would love to see you in a crossed up wrong place at the wrong time moment where you are so frightened you can't even move. With a white looney claiming they did the act based on fuck knows....stupid reason.
The NZ event is a tragic reminder of the destabilizing of the world based on a few people. In the NZ case it was an Australian who shot down people in a place of worship. Their backs turned. I watched the video and as a gun nut just shook my head and said to myself what is he thinking....Google how many non Muslim related place of worship killings have occured in the world. Look at Europe......to start with.
Australia has a history of just 200 years...and the NZ event is an embarrassment of Australians because it the first historic event that will bring this style of killing to Australia to a level not understood previously.
S8. Let me ask you. When you are dealing with your insurance conpany, organising insurance for your car. Do you call them fuck wits?
It is no secret that when calculating a insurance policy, they will take into account certain things like whether you are a male, whether you are aged between 17 and 25, and what suburb you store the car in. This information is used to perform a risk assessment and price up your policy. It would be stupid to say every 17-25 yr old male will crash a car. Or every car that resides in Camillo is going to get stolen. But the evidence is there to prove that if you belong to that demographic, it is statistically more likely. Is what I am asking any different to this?
Do you call your doctor a fuck wit when you go in for a check up?
When medical research takes place into any manner of things like disease, alergies, alzheimer's, cancer, or what ever else. One of the first steps in any research is to look for patterns that are potentially common to sufferers of that particular illness. This could lead to possible advances in treatment or prevention. Is what I am asking any different?
When you go through an RBT, and the officer waves through the little old granny infront of you, but tests you next, do you call the officer a fuck wit? You do realise that officer has just profiled you, and based on past experience, training or subconscious or overt predjudace, has decided to pick you, but wave through the car infront. You probably blow 0.00, but statistically, there might be something about you, or even the car your driving that has a higher likely hood of being DD or unroadworthy.
S85FI
26-03-2019, 04:49 PM
Absolutely not to those professionals.
But absolutely to you.
Half of those professionals are probably Muslim. Based on your stats if I did...
Going off topic here.
I think its very interesting the discussion and responses going on in this this thread. I have been trolling the absolute shit out of this discussion as hard as i can. Saying some pretty controversial facts, statistics AND opinions. Poking, prodding and just generally stirring shit up for shits and giggles. And its quite interesting we have people like S85fi straight up getting hard triggered, and calling me a fuck wit. Or Simon calling me an ignorant bigot. The only counter argument to any questions as to whether there may be some ideological problems within islam is to either say " look, XYZ group do ABC horrible act too" or to attack the person raising concerns.
So keen to signal thier virtue saying they dont want any repeats of NZ etc. Yet when someone pops up on the forum and starts talking like maybe hes heading down a dark path. Saying the sort of stuff that they imagine a young breton tarrant potentially might even say. The ONLY person who has offered to discuss and potentially talk it down it is Rajvosa. I find this quite interesting.
I would like to highlight that discussing things is generally accepted as the most peacefull way to diffuse any situation. When you attempt to censor discussion, thoughts or what some people genuinely consider legitimate concerns and throw insults and shut down any discussion, (because of PC culture). What you are doing is the exact opposite of discussing anything. It is infact escalating things. Rather than talk someone down it is forcing someone into a deeper corner.
I think it is also quite interesting to see how the media is doing more or less the exact same thing. It is like they want polarise people in order to create a situation where that kind of thinking can grow. You can see this not only with MSM, but also with social media and youtube. And not just on issues of religion. But racial divisions. Gender divisions and the culture war.
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