Upgrading Bike - 250 to a 675/750/899/1000

[shifted]

Well the time is nearing when I'll be able to go for my unrestricted license on the bike.

Contemplating a couple things but essentially it all leads to selling the current 250 and upgrading at some point this year. Will most likely use an instructors or friends bike for the license test. Pay enough rego/insurance on everything else so don't see a point of having two bikes.

A friend is also trying to get me to do some track days.

I'm tall (6'4") and about 100-105kgs for comparison if anyone has any recommendations.

I park the bike in the city so I'd rather not get something too crazy I think for the first one anyway as I always come back to more scratches/missing pieces on the bike as muppets steal shit or don't care for anyone else's property.

Initially was thinking a Daytona 675 but another suggestion has been the ZX10R and the Repsol.

Preferences: Blue, central exhaust exiting underside of tail (just prefer the look). Don't want a Harley looking thing. That's about it - so really I have none.

What should I be looking at? What should I avoid? What's a good budget? I don't really have a brand preference I just want something reliable, semi-economical, large enough that I don't look like a clown sitting on a dwarf's motorbike.

I'm not looking to upgrade til end of the year/early next year at this stage, I figure I'll give myself some time to look around and make a decision.

The bike will be ridden daily.


Cheers!

Paul

[Riggs]

Of the 3 you have suggested:

675, Good all round bike. Great on the road and brilliant track bike. However they have the reliability of a Ducati

ZX10, Pick of the current thous for the track. Respond very well to basic mods but power delivery is very peaky.

CBR1000, Very easy bike to ride but along with the GSXR it is now a fair bit down on power in the current crop. Handle like a dream though.

My advise, you are not going to be any where the limit of performance on any of them. Go test ride all of them (as well as others) and go with what you like the feel of under your bum the best.

[Darkside]

^^^^ Good advice. Once licensed, try to ride your shortlist back to back. The winner should be a standout to you. Some bikes just feel right.

And GGF re ducati reliability. :) Between me and missus we have 3 (soon to be 4) for about 8 years and no issues at all.

[Jmoore]

VFR800 could be a consideration - great all rounder bike. The older VTR1000 can also be picked up for a great price these days, but the earlier ones have a pretty poor range.

[Riggs]

Duc owners are always going to bite. Next in line will be Jazza.

I too know people who have never had an issue with theirs. I also know just as many who have, especially when they are ridden hard. I can't say the same for any Jap bike.

Same goes for the Triumph (Which are also common for warping of the front rotors after a few hard days). Standard ZX10 brakes are also shit, but it's an easy fix.

[rodent]

@ 6'4" you're going to look stupid on a 675 IMO and you're going to have a fair bit of your 100kgs on your wrists - not great for daily duties.

Do you really need a sportsbike? Thought about a naked?

[Darkside]

And don't be afraid of cubes. No need to feel you need to get a mid size bike. The torque of the litre class stuff can make them a nicer thing to ride. All personal preference though.

[benjamino]

Moderately comfortable for daily duties, sounds good, will guarantee to make you happy. Set of termis and the lack of underseat exhaust won't bother you!

Don't worry about reliability :P

http://www.ducati.com.au/cms-web/upl/MediaGalleries/295/MediaGallery_295435/Color_SF-848_R_NC_1067x600.jpg

[Riggs]

I I was to get another road bike, would be one of these.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/TLRlee/20150110_181139_zps1f18e985.jpg

[mys1]

I I was to get another road bike, would be one of these.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/TLRlee/20150110_181139_zps1f18e985.jpg

Not Before me!

[Darkside]

Very happy with my Streetfigher S. Does runs to the pub well. Was epic on a tour of Tassie and is fun at the track. Does seem to be the go to bike as opposed to the 998s. Probabaly largely due to more relaxed riding position.

[shifted]

See... not really a fan of that type of bike look, there's a 650 Honda that parks near me most days that looks similar and I just don't find it as appealing... You sit more upright on them though, is that right?


@ 6'4" you're going to look stupid on a 675 IMO and you're going to have a fair bit of your 100kgs on your wrists - not great for daily duties.

Do you really need a sportsbike? Thought about a naked?

Just like sport bikes really, plus I wouldn't mind going to a track here and there I guess!


And don't be afraid of cubes. No need to feel you need to get a mid size bike. The torque of the litre class stuff can make them a nicer thing to ride. All personal preference though.

I'll have to test ride a bunch really to see the difference but I don't mind going straight to a 1000cc.

[Bakerboy]

I got my R class about two months ago looked at alot of bikes cbr600's,gsxr600's and some gsxr750's talked to a few people with bikes and they said i would get used to the power to quickly and want to upgrade to a litre bike within a year.As i was also planning to make it my dailly i realised a sports bike was not the best option comfort wise etc im 6.1 and about 110kg I ended up getting a bike last week for a steel too 2011 Yamaha FZ1 with 16,00kms for $6000 a week in and very pleased with my purchase.

[Riggs]

If you plan on doing any sort of track work get a sports bike, wouldn't say a 675 is too small either. As I said previously go ride all of them, all internet banter aside you will know what you want after 10 mins on each bike.

[Jazza]

Yes, 675 is a cool bike but I didn't like riding it and I think being 6'4 you might look a bit off on a tall slim bike.
As everyone said just ride the bikes and you'll know, Jap bikes felt like utter crap the second I sat on my 1198 but it'll be different for everyone.
If you had to ride the bike everyday and wanted something that sounds good and looks good, Ducati streetfighter wins hands down imo. Love em!

http://moto.zombdrive.com/images/ducati-streetfighter-8.jpg

[tmz_99]

Hard to say about the smaller cc bikes and getting sick of them. I rode on sub 1000cc bikes for 3-4 years before upgrading and was very happy with them. You can certainly use a lot more of the available power than on a 1k.

Dukes vs Jap bikes, try both. I absolutely miss the non linear / top-happy power delivery I had on my CBR600 but at the end of the day, it's whatever makes you happy. Like others have said, there's no wrong answer, go ride a bunch of bikes and take home the one you feel most comfortable on.

I would recommend a Honda however, just because of the ease of riding. They are some of the most forgiving bikes out-of-the-box and although they may not have the same power as other offerings, they inspire confidence on corners, which I would say is ideal for the step-up from a 250....

[rsevs3]

My old man just bought a VTR-1000. It is pretty quick and sounds mint.

I know it isnt what you are looking for, but my GS500F is quick enough in traffic, is small enough that you can wrap it on through a few gears and is good on fuel. Being cheap is a plus IMO for a daily too. Having the torque of the big bike is nice though.

[mr_mike]

Initially was thinking a Daytona 675 but another suggestion has been the ZX10R and the Repsol.

Preferences: Blue, central exhaust exiting underside of tail (just prefer the look). Don't want a Harley looking thing. That's about it - so really I have none.
l

Blue and undertail exhaust = 05-14 Yamaha R1.
Daytona - Awesome bike but they are very skinny, I am a similar size to you and it felt like I was riding a 250 but with more go. If it was a track only bike then this would be the pick but as a daily I wouldnt.
Repsol Honda a definite "look at me" colour scheme, I'm pretty certain only the thou is a genuine Repsol the 600's are just sticker kits I could be wrong tho. Hondas are super reliable the 08+ did have some issues with oil disappearing it wasnt burning or leaking it would just be gone. Very linear power and easy to ride at a decent rate of knots, I found this made the bike very bland to ride. Not saying its not fast cos it is but it just went fast easily and didnt really give any sorta "woah" feel when it took of.
ZX10 with undertail pipe then I guess you're looking at the 07-ish era? This bikes are fucking mental, they have a very brutal power delivery almost like "nothing-nothing-nothing-BANG-full power-oh fuck". I know plenty of experienced and fast street riders that still refer to these bikes as one of the wildest they have ever ridden, combined with the worst brakes in the world it certainly makes for a scary ride. Brakes can be sorted with a Brembo or GSXR mastercylinder and braided lines.

other undertail bikes to look at-
05-08 ZX6R (636cc) - Fun bike I had one, real screamer with pretty sharp handing. With a slip on and Power Commander mine spun up 121rwhp at Chain Reaction. Plenty on the street and easy to ride round a track. Downside tho is brakes are typical wood like kawasaki items and for someone your weight the front suspension is undersprung. While the rear is over sprung.
05+ CBR600RR - Honda reliability but will struggle to keep your eyes open when riding it. Again a solid performer around the track.

BTW Triumphs get stolen very frequently from the city because they do not have a coded key or something like that meaning steal bike, swap out ignition and your done. Where as most of the Jap bikes have a key thats coded to the ECU so would need to swap ignition and ecu to rebirth and thats not as simple or easily done.

[mr_mike]

TBH what ever bike you buy 600-1000 is gonna give you a boner when you twist the throttle. Some people say that you will tire of a 600 and find it under powered within a short time. These people are idiots!
A 600 is a good choice as it helps you improve you riding skills to go fast rather than just replying on power. All modern 600 will be faster than 90% of other vehicles on the road and will still run a mid to low 11sec 1/4 even a 10 if you can launch and keep front wheel planted.
One of the fastest guys I rode with on country runs was on a k7 GSXR600 and he used to embarrass a lot of bigger bikes.
Having said that tho to get the most out of a 600 you need to really involved when riding it constantly using the gears and the entire rev range to get the most out of it and that can suck when commuting. Where as a thou you can use the engines torque and sit in 4th gear everywhere and tractor along. Makes commuting easy as a quick throttle blip and you can move to where you want, with a 600 that might mean dropping a gear to make same manoeuvre.

End of the day Riggs has summed it up perfectly, everyone has their own opinion the but only you know what will feel the best so test ride as many as you can and as many different styles as you can. I have ridden plenty of bikes and different styles but when I jumped on my R1 to test ride it I instantly felt comfortable and my riding has improved ten folds since due to just feeling so natural on the bike.

[Ghost Who Walks]

Why not try something from left field?
Vespa PX200
200cc(can be modded out to 300cc+) 2 Stroke, 4 speed Manual.
I'm 6'4, 150kg and with a lightly tuned one can keep up with traffic,
and enjoy having fun on the Freeway in the 80 zones..

[shifted]

Guy at work is looking to sell a 2006 900 SS Ducati, 60,000kms on the clock, Grey with Red wheels and apparently mint.

Only reason mentioned is potential price - thought I would check what people think. All I have heard of Ducati is:
1. Expensive
2. Temperamental

Friend just sold his 898 before his move to the UK (nice Red one, had China flares for track work - broke his arm one track day)
Have heard of 1 unlucky girl taking her brand new Duc out on the track and fucking it up on the first corner - very expensive mistake.


Why not try something from left field?
Vespa PX200
200cc(can be modded out to 300cc+) 2 Stroke, 4 speed Manual.
I'm 6'4, 150kg and with a lightly tuned one can keep up with traffic,
and enjoy having fun on the Freeway in the 80 zones..

I wouldn't ever own a scooter, unfortunately. Defeats the purpose of wanting to track work let alone have any fun on the freeway :-/
Mate has a supercharged one in the garage - not keen.

[bertocchi]

my first R class bike was a Daytona 675 which I got ~9 months ago. I bloody love it. I always thought they were an awesome looking motorcycle when I was shopping for my 250, but when shopping for an R class bike I saw how much more streamline they were in comparison to a jap 600. I preferred this as I usually weigh in <60kgs & I'm not exactly tall. I am unsure how you would feel riding a Daytona 675 with your height.

get your wallet out & buy an MV Agusta.

[Riggs]

Guy at work is looking to sell a 2006 900 SS Ducati, 60,000kms on the clock, Grey with Red wheels and apparently mint.

Only reason mentioned is potential price - thought I would check what people think. All I have heard of Ducati is:
1. Expensive
2. Temperamental

Friend just sold his 898 before his move to the UK (nice Red one, had China flares for track work - broke his arm one track day)
Have heard of 1 unlucky girl taking her brand new Duc out on the track and fucking it up on the first corner - very expensive mistake.


1. Correct
2. Correct

My mums partner has an SS and it is a comfy bike for the daily commute, and he has never had an issue with his. However if/when you start to do a bit more track work you will find it lacking. But for Groups 1 & 2 it will do fine.

As far as binning it at the track, if you head out there thinking you are Rossi and try to be a hero you WILL crash, 100%. Seen it countless times. If you take your time, don't get yourself into a situation where you will panic, listen to instruction and learn how to handle the bike properly you will be fine.

[bigbill5]

iam about 6foot 4 and not skinny, have a Honda st1300 for sale lovely tourer, my new ride is a BMW k 1600 very nice, very smooth.
both bikes very comfortable for big blokes.

[Spikey Mikey]

Just thought I'd chuck my opinion in.. Got myself a 600 in January and have loved it. I'm 6'3" and 90kgs but my Honda CBR600rr seems to be great for me, tried a Daytona but found it to be a bit too small and tried my brother's Busa which felt a little bulky personally. I also thought about insurance for the CBR (19 and only had R since January) so can be a bit pricey if you want full Comp. the 600 is great for daily commuting and still has the power and responsiveness for fun on weekend rides.
Also, budget wise, I found a used CBR with extremely low kms for $9,200 but that was at the higher end of the market.

But, it is your choice and if you want a 1000, grab one, not too much more in price for most of them anyway. Hope this helped in some way.

[Kaido]

FYI my mate has a 2013 Dayton 675R that he needs to offload before next week as he is leaving the country; good price at 11k firm with 18,000km on it

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/south-perth/motorcycles/triumph-daytona-675r-2013/1086311294

[shifted]

The deterrent for me with the 675 is how small it looks and feels, though this is only from sitting on one at a shop for a couple minutes so isn't really a good way to tell.

I'm a little closer to achieving the goal anyway, contacted a motorcycle learners guy for a lesson on an R-class bike. This month will be the 12th month on my R-E license so can effectively test for my R class. If you have any recommendations for who to use, please let me know as I'm looking to book a lesson/test ASAP.

Soon as that happens I'll be hitting up Causeway/Victoria Park and testing out a couple bikes. My list of interest is;
1. Yamaha R1/Suzuki GSXR-1000 (have read great things about the GSXR)
2. Honda CBR1000RR/Kawasaki ZX10R

Then hunting 2nd hand markets or shops as necessary.

[Nickevox]

Speak with Tai - 0402 127 909 Elite Motorcycle Training

[XsQuiZiT]

+1 for Tai

I managed to get a booking with about a weeks notice so he gave me a crash course to go from R-E to R.

I've had some lessons from cow boys who just take you for long rides and barely comment on your riding, run through exercises or give you any tips to help you pass your test.

[BL4KL15TD]

Tai is great especially around city west

Had an R1 for a year, never felt uncomfortable after riding all day but very unpredictable around corners

+1 for gsxr insane power band and handling

[Riggs]

Suzuki is bringing out all new GSXR next year which is long overdue.

Honda are rumored to be doing the same but nothing confirmed, also long over due.

New R1 is pick of the current crop, it's the newest and has latest and greatest of everything with big hp.

ZX10 is getting decent update next year apparently but is already a good bike, fast but very peaky power band.

Existing GSXR & CBR's are dated, down on power and don't have the latest fancy shit of the newer generation bikes. I'd wait and see what manufacturers announce for next years models before buying something with fairly old tech.

[shifted]

Well. Time has finally come, a long time later than expected but nonetheless.

Test rode the new R1 a few months ago - lawdbabyjezuuuus - couldn't wipe the smile off my face.

Test rode the GSXR but was aware new bike is coming and this old model hasn't been updated since about 09? So didn't really click for me.

Old bike got written off and I'm leaning towards something a bit older that I can daily without a care for racking up kms.

Anyone got a Blue 08 R1 for sale? :D

[Riggs]

08 R1 is very down on power compared to current 1000s, also very peaky output. Will be nothing like the Newer crossplane R1's

How much are you looking to spend?

09+ Blade will be reliable, don't get an 08 as they had oil burning issues. Good punchy midrange but lacking up top

09+ GSXR as above

(both very good all rounders, imo better for street riding as opposed to the others)

2011+ zx10 has shitloads of power up top but lazy mid-range, lots of track work and they tend to smash 3rd gear. Undercutting the dogs helps fix it. And standard brakes are shit.

2010+ S1000RR As per ZX10 for power but with good mid-range. Very good package out of the box

Then there's Ducati, KTM, Aprillia etc. All cost more to buy and run then and of the the I4 bikes.

[shifted]

Would it be better to look at an 09 R1 or same issue up to the new model?

There's an 1199 Panigale up on PSB at the moment for $14k, doesn't look too bad!

Was thinking to try keep it between $7-$9k, though it's not that much of a push up to $12 to get something in the 2012-2014 range so it's hard to set a limit.

My main concern is using it daily, and putting kms on it, hence thinking something older may be the way to go...

I'll have a look at the S1000RR, was looking through the PSB classifieds as there were a few bikes worth looking at. Probably can't ride for another month anyway, so figured it's a good time to start looking seriously at it.

[Steppo_GT]

I got a 08 R1 Couldn't justify spending the extra 3-4 grand on the 09 onwards. Still got more than enough power to get you in enough trouble. Plus hearing about the 09 issues turned me off a bit.

[Marti]

From personal experience.i went from a lams 650 to a 1050 speed triple. its a massive jump if your an inexperienced ride. my recommendation would be to ride a wide range of bikes and see what fits you as a ride. I was looking for a bike that was comfortable yet could keep up with big bikes in the twistys.
If your careful and ride with skilled people, youll pick up a lot when it comes to big bikes.
Ps. you wont outride the bike for a fair while, especially not on the roads

[Riggs]

Ps. you wont outride the bike for a fair while, especially not on the roads

FYI, 99.99% chance you will never out ride the bike. No matter what you buy.

[Kaido]

Would it be better to look at an 09 R1 or same issue up to the new model?

There's an 1199 Panigale up on PSB at the moment for $14k, doesn't look too bad!

Was thinking to try keep it between $7-$9k, though it's not that much of a push up to $12 to get something in the 2012-2014 range so it's hard to set a limit.

My main concern is using it daily, and putting kms on it, hence thinking something older may be the way to go...

I'll have a look at the S1000RR, was looking through the PSB classifieds as there were a few bikes worth looking at. Probably can't ride for another month anyway, so figured it's a good time to start looking seriously at it.

stay away from 1199 Panigale, they are a fucking pig in standard form, choppy throttle, shit power band and little torque under 5000rpm.

I rate S1k awesome powerband (amazing top end pull) and linear power. turns, brakes and awesome pops/flames on quickshift with an aftermarket exhuast

I also found my 09 R1 to be a pig at the slow speed stuff, was pretty much on or off, i did read a tune would help fix some of these issues

[shifted]

Was thinking if I push up the budget than it's a newer age R1 or the S1000RR:

http://www.bikesales.com.au/dealer/OAG-AD-14685900/2014-BMW-S-1000-RR/?cr=0&psq=%28%28Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D%26%28Make%3D%5 BBMW%5D%26Model%3D%5BS%201000%20RR%5D%29%29%26%28% 28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20availa ble%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20 stock%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes% 5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bi kes%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5 D%29%29&pso=0&pss=Premium


Not much R1 wise on bikesales at the moment, seen a 09 in matt black/grey sell on the facebook groups for $7k, seems on bikesales they hover higher which makes sense being dealer mostly by the looks. Nothing 2014 in WA at the moment though.

Always wanted to buy one over-east and ride it back (was hoping to do that end of this year) but looks like my upgrade timing has been brought forward. :D

Was there much change in the R1's from 09 to '14? New model was '15?

[shifted]

to be honest i'm struggling to gauge what a good price for an '09 is, seems $7k is a steal. Bike sales is all over the shop for '09 to '14.

[S85FI]

FYI, 99.99% chance you will never out ride the bike. No matter what you buy.

This is about it.

Me. I've been riding for 40 odd years. Buy a basic bike. Learn to ride. Then go up in power. You will come unstuck super quick on a high powered bike if you can't brake it and corner it

[Brute]

Under seat exhaust will cook your balls and thighs on the R1. Especially if it's a daily and you're in traffic.

It's human nature to want the latest, fastest, most hp,
But the reality is for a daily a GSXR, CBR or a ZX10 will see you through nicely. Maintenance costs will be down. Comfort will be up. And you'll be able to keep with the other bikes around town when you're playing.


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[Byah!]

Was also looking to jump on a non LAMS sports bike.

Been riding for about a year both on and off road on a DR650, which is basically a farm bike...tho I call it a dual sport coz that sounds more sexy.

Budget is around 6k so was looking at a mid naughties CBR600RR. Anyone got any feedback?

[Riggs]

Yes, great bike for the coin.

[shifted]

Under seat exhaust will cook your balls and thighs on the R1. Especially if it's a daily and you're in traffic.

It's human nature to want the latest, fastest, most hp,
But the reality is for a daily a GSXR, CBR or a ZX10 will see you through nicely. Maintenance costs will be down. Comfort will be up. And you'll be able to keep with the other bikes around town when you're playing.


I just like Blue to be honest. I have however, wanted an R1 since being a kid (about the same time as wanting a Supra), so ticking it off the bucket list may be more important than worrying about cooking my balls to fulfil that childhood dream. The GSXR and CBR I've read make great daily bikes, the ZX10 I've heard can be unpredictable for a certain year range but I guess every bike can be that.

The 05/05 GSXR's I've heard are fantastic also.

What do you guys use to hunt for bikes these days? Bikesales? Seems the facebook groups have far more bikes for sale at the moment than anything else, including gumtree.

[Steppo_GT]

Give gumtree a go, obviously do a revs PPSR and rego check before buying and you should be right.

[crabman]

MT09? Bigger cc, comfy upright style positioning, pretty cheap..

[S85FI]

MT09? Bigger cc, comfy upright style positioning, pretty cheap..

I ride a MT09... bang for buck. Comfy, plenty of zip, does skids, power skids, slides, a bit heavy on the forks when the front wheel comes back down but still good value.

[1SPRINT]

MT09 is an awesome commuter bike and as above, I'll be on the look out for one soon to use as an airport runner.

[HANS YOLO]

I ride a MT09... bang for buck. Comfy, plenty of zip, does skids, power skids, slides, a bit heavy on the forks when the front wheel comes back down but still good value.

about to sell up my 06' ZX6R to get into the new MT09 - all signs point to fucking awesome for me....20km commute to work, keen for comfort and ABS!

[S85FI]

about to sell up my 06' ZX6R to get into the new MT09 - all signs point to fucking awesome for me....20km commute to work, keen for comfort and ABS!

I can not stand abs on a bike. Mine doesn't have it.

[HANS YOLO]

I can not stand abs on a bike. Mine doesn't have it.

understandable if you're in maximum attack mode however the 'Alexander Drive Super Stage' doesn't call for this

[S85FI]

understandable if your in maximum attack mode however the 'Alexander Drive Super Stage' doesn't call for this


Depends on experience I guess. I see guys lock up bikes and see guys with abs.... not sure. Ride high powered trail and road most of my life and I don't feel confident if I can't get the ass end to slide or to slide so I can lay through bike over.

My old KTM exc would be a much faster bike than the mt09. But mt09 cheap on maintenence.

[dmanvan]

Depends on experience I guess. I see guys lock up bikes and see guys with abs.... not sure. Ride high powered trail and road most of my life and I don't feel confident if I can't get the ass end to slide or to slide so I can lay through bike over.

My old KTM exc would be a much faster bike than the mt09. But mt09 cheap on maintenence.
https://cdn.rideapart.com/wp-content/uploads/2013%2F12%2FHow-To-Lay-Er-Down_fea.jpg ;)

[Riggs]

ABS on a bike is useless, in the dry if you lock the front in a straight line your not braking properly, lock it in a corner and abs wouldn't have saved you.

I've locked the front in the wet on a bike with abs and I reacted to it before the abs did.

It is much more of a hindrance then a help, leaning proper technique is a far better fail safe.

[HANS YOLO]

surely in a straight line brown pants/grab a handful moment an ECU will work it out faster than proper technique?

not having a go or anything..been non ABS my entire riding life. my cars have always had it and i enjoy the luxury of burying my foot as deep as it can go and letting the ECU work it out...call me lazy :)


http://www.therideadvice.com/abs-motorcycles-vs-non-abs-motorcycles-need-motorcycle-abs/

[shifted]

I've always been told to threshold brake in cars/bikes after doing the RAC driver course, stopping distance was far less than ABS or slamming the foot down.

[Byah!]

but then that brings us back to the shortest stopping distance in a brownstain moment....unless ure super cool the abs I dare say would do better

[S85FI]

but then that brings us back to the shortest stopping distance in a brownstain moment....unless ure super cool the abs I dare say would do better

Only a bike I'm not so sure.
Cars have sophisticated master cylinders and you just don't have that space on a bike. Most bike abs I have been on pulse way too slow.

Learn to ride first then go abs. Even in a shit fight moment instinctively you will know what to do once you have done it enough times.

[S85FI]

I just read that add. I've ridden sub 10k bikes with abs and you can can count the pulses.

Comparing entry level bikes with a bmw that's done it for 20 plus years and entry level bikes 20k plus is not a comparison.