Radar/Lidar/Laser etc Detectors

[mr_mike]

Do any of these detectors work any more? Have read some will still work in the country with old multinovas but the newer ones and handhelds detect you instantly so by the time the detector goes off the fine upstanding policeman or camera already has your speed.

I know there is laser jammers on the market that work and work very well but i'm not gonna drop $4k on a complete Stinger unit.


Cheers Mike

[Fukushima]

Laser detectors on radar detector units still work. Depending on camera angle and other cars you get plenty of braking distance.

Not all that useful for rear facing - need jammers for that.

Radar bands are useless. I wish I could turn them off on my redline - I'd actually use it more often then. I tend to leave it in the glovebox and rely on memory of the usual spots and just take it out if I'm going somewhere new.

Haven't come up on any highway patrol lately but I believe there dash lasers are similar to the handheld ones (instafucked without jammers)

[n1ghth4wk]

I run valentine one and a laser defense system. Sometimes the V1 won't pick up the camera (2% of the time maybe) but it's enough to lose your license sometimes. Also by the time it detects a rear setup, unless you are only doing 5 over, you've been done.

Jammers are the way to go.

[n1ghth4wk]

Oh and the jamming system I have cost sub 2k. PM volatile rob on the forum.

[Phildo]

Radar detector: Valentine One is the one to have, but turn off the X and K band detection (ie laser only). Endless false alarms otherwise.

Even then, you’ll usually not get enough warning. Most cameras are rear facing. You’ll get a small amount of warning for front facing cameras. However, I got lucky one night in City Beach last year when I was moving at a rather rapid pace on a quiet minor road (ie not one where you’d find a camera on a Saturday night). By fluke, there was a dip in the road and a direct line of sight to the camera (which I couldn’t see in the dark) which made the V1 go apeshit. Hit the brakes, cruised along and then saw the camera setup. Farrrrrrkkkk. That one would have been expensive.

Secondhand V1s turn up on Gumtree occasionally. I scored one for $300 this week, which will go in my FPV ute. There was another one for $550, which sold on the same day… meaning that I might have done rather well with mine. Make sure that you check the serial number on the Valentine One web site to ensure that it’s the up to date 1.85 version.

Valentine won’t send new ones overseas, so you’ll have to use something like Shipito.com if you want to buy a new one. However, finding 1.85 versions on eBay US is just about impossible.

Laser jammer. I've got an ALG9 setup on my taxi. I would have entered the world of unemployment and been forced to spend time in other seats in taxis last year without that one.

However, my day driver got flashed a few weeks ago. Dunno why, the ALG9 should have jammed it. However, police have been experimenting with setting up the cameras on different angles to make them harder to jam.

The ALG9 in the taxi went off this morning when I was trying to get home in time for the 6am changeover. Cruising along the freeway at 122 clicks, the ALG9 went off, I looked around everywhere for a camera flash and didn’t see one.

The new version is the AL Priority. That's probably going to have to end up on my taxi, FPV ute and Aprilia SXV550 motard bike. Gonna cost me shitloads, but it's an insurance policy against unemployment.

www.securitygear.com.au is the source.

[mr_mike]

However, my day driver got flashed a few weeks ago. Dunno why, the ALG9 should have jammed it. However, police have been experimenting with setting up the cameras on different angles to make them harder to jam.
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Yeah Greenmeanie got pinged a couple months back and he has the Stinger unit. Wasnt speeding for a change but Stinger didnt pick up the camera he moved the rear sensors out to 14deg from 10deg done another run and picked up the camera.

[Not so swift]

You can try joining the forum www.radardetector.net They were very active a few years ago but not sure if they still are. The issue here though is that its a US based site and they didnt have the Poliscan over there so werent very interested in doing anything about defeating it. I was on there in about 2012-2013 and the Poliscan was very new.

There are hand held laser guns which any jammer will easily defeat but your biggest threat is the Poliscan which can be fixed or mobile. There were some very clever people on the forum who had access to the Poliscan manual and were working out angles and all sorts of things.

From the forum:

"from my observations & seeing the Poliscan Operator manual :-

The poliscan measures the vehicle speed between 20-50 metres (from the Poliscan Operator manual - system operation definitions). (Note: the lidar specifications in the manual range is 75 - 10 metres) This is done at 100 scans per second. Over a distance, the average speed of the sample scans then confirms if the vehicle is above the high speed setpoint, the photo is then delayed and taken when the vehicle is at a set distance, so correctly within the frame.
I assume the speed calculation will be on a set amount of samples and from my calculations, the minimum sample this could be is 43 samples for the vehicle to go from the 50 metre point to the 20 metre point @ 250kph (Poliscan maximum measurement speed) in 0.43 of a second. Remember the average speed calculation is Independent from the the point when the photo is taken as this is by distance.

Now take forward facing, if we assume 43 samples are done at the 50metre point, and vehicle at 70kph, then the average speed would be calculated from 50 metres to 41.5 metres.

Now rear facing at same speed, the speed would be calculated 20 metres to 28.5 metres.

Would like to know the number of samples the average speed is based on as (or if distance) then would know firm angles of exactly when the Poliscan is measuring speed and head placement could be set but the angle would still vary on the speed of the vehicle.

One other note,
The lidar specification says the number of measurements/scans = 158 - can someone explain this? Does that mean it takens 1.58 seconds to do a horizontal scan back to where it started using its rotating mirror?

If that is the case, then that explains why sometime my radar detector gets a good laser warning and sometimes it doesn't. If you just missed the beam, 1.58 seconds is an extra 30 metres closer before an alert @70kph, and 43 metres closer @100kph!!"

and

"Another thing you'll notice is forward facing jammers on forward facing Poliscan set ups...

...The jammer (usually) stop alerting just before you reach the camera. In the above YouTube video you can notice this more on the 3rd run where he's in the right/inside lane.

The jammers stop alerting when the camera was (?) 5-10 metres away. Once you begin to pass the Poliscan down your left side, the jammer heads are firing forwards, and are no longer hitting the camera as it disappears down your left.

For this reason, I feel you can never blow past a camera (speeding) regardless of what jammers you have...there's a chance your heads may not be hitting the camera at a crucial time. This could be the reason the guy got flashed (above)??

It seems for 100 percent protection, you'd need 4 heads on the front (2 facing forward, 2 pointing out at, say, 30 degrees, and 4 heads on the rear (2 facing straight and 2 on a 45 degree angle, facing out in each direction) to give you full coverage from all angles, guns and cameras."

I cant find the other part I was looking for that dealt with rear facing cameras but they were saying that as you pass the camera, the front of the vehicle is the first part of the car that gives a speed reading t the camera and so, by the time the rear jammer heads get to see the camera to jam it, it already has your speed. They showed a whole lot of technical details and how you can get around that situation. But its not easy.

I had the Laser Interceptor and Bell 990 fixed mount detector. You could program points of interest, like a fixed speed camera, into the detectors GPS and it would alert you as you came up to it. I think it was 300m out, 200m out and then 100m out. The Laser Interceptor was hit and miss at detecting a forward facing Poliscan. Sometimes you would get 300m or more warning and other times about 50m. I had heard there was a high power and low power setting on the Poliscan and that was why the different detection distance but I cant confirm that.

As for a rear facing Poliscan, I always got a picture in the mail with my brake lights on!

As I say, I had the detector and jammer and now use neither.

[Greg Rust]

I had my rear facing Laser Interceptor set at 15deg but still got pinged. I also have a Bell Vector remote front and rear. I kept noticing that the Bell would go off before the jammer. Went on that forum above and read up in the WA section and the consensus was to have the sensors at 45deg.

I've since done that and tested it a few times and big improvement

[mr_mike]

I had my rear facing Laser Interceptor set at 15deg but still got pinged. I also have a Bell Vector remote front and rear. I kept noticing that the Bell would go off before the jammer. Went on that forum above and read up in the WA section and the consensus was to have the sensors at 45deg.

I've since done that and tested it a few times and big improvement

What laser interceptor are you using?

[Greg Rust]

http://www.laserinterceptor.info

[Volatile Rob]

Howdy,

I have been installing the 4x head laserinterceptor jammers for a few years now.

Out of the 50x or so that ive installed, i have only had one customer call me to say it didnt work... the customer decided to test it out on the way home going through a red light camera at 150km/h... red light cameras are not laser based :)

Anyways, I can supply & fit these starting from $1690 fitted for most vehicles.

Rob
Volatile Car Audio

[Greg Rust]

How are you setting up the rear heads on the LI?

[Brockas]

Out of the 50x or so that ive installed, i have only had one customer call me to say it didnt work... the customer decided to test it out on the way home going through a red light camera at 150km/h... red light cameras are not laser based :)
LOL who tests something out at 150km/h?

If you want to 'trial' it, at least go 7-8km/h over so it's just a small fine if it doesn't work. What a mong!

[Not so swift]

I had my rear facing Laser Interceptor set at 15deg but still got pinged. I also have a Bell Vector remote front and rear. I kept noticing that the Bell would go off before the jammer. Went on that forum above and read up in the WA section and the consensus was to have the sensors at 45deg.

I've since done that and tested it a few times and big improvement

We started at 22 degrees and changed to 45 (you might have seen me on there!) but it really didn't make any improvement on the rear shots. I have two fines at home with a picture of the rear of the car with the brake lights on.

It worked well for detection on front facing cameras but I never tested the jamming ability cos I always had enough warning to slow down.

[Brett Allan]

I currently run;

V1 - rear view mirror mount
Blinder HP-905 (only good for hand-healds as they can't jam Poliscan) 2 sensors - front
Beltronics RX75 Laser defence/detection system 1 sensor front and back

Will be selling up all this and getting the Interceptor fitted by Rob in the near future. Only way to protect against rear facing setups...

Managed to get 300m warning to an LTI Tru Cam highway patrol were "testing" on Reid Highway - 60km/h roadworks just before it went back up to 80km/h

Above setup has definitely paid for itself more times than I care to mention...

[Volatile Rob]

How are you setting up the rear heads on the LI?

Rears each on 35° angle outwards
Front drivers side straight ahead
Front passenger side 35° angle outwards

[Greg Rust]

We started at 22 degrees and changed to 45 (you might have seen me on there!) but it really didn't make any improvement on the rear shots. I have two fines at home with a picture of the rear of the car with the brake lights on.

It worked well for detection on front facing cameras but I never tested the jamming ability cos I always had enough warning to slow down.

I've had two fines in two years both from rear facing cameras whilst the LI jammer was active, both times it went off but didn't stop the fine coming. I spoke to Delonix whom I bought it from who after the first fine said to turn them outwards from 0deg to 20deg.
A year later another fine, spoke to them again and put me onto the forum where those guys had worked out larger angles for best effect.
There was even a suggestion to have one of the heads under your passenger side mirror.


Rears each on 35° angle outwards
Front drivers side straight ahead
Front passenger side 35° angle outwards

Nice one. Seems you've had plenty of experience and are using it.
I might add that the 10year old Bell Vector LR remote is awesome for front facing cameras. Minimum 300m warning.

[shifted]

What's the go with the jammers, do you have to slow down and turn them off ie. are they illegal to use or you can just drive past and be happy?

[Volatile Rob]

What's the go with the jammers, do you have to slow down and turn them off ie. are they illegal to use or you can just drive past and be happy?

Most laser guided parking assistance systems (also known by the slang term "jammers") on the market are set to disengage 4 seconds after the laser is first accidentally detected.

Some of them switch off completely, others revert back into park assist mode.

This setting is adjustable for however many seconds you would like for it to stay on or even to have it stay on permanently if you wish, but I personally do not recommend it, as the laser gun operator will not be able to get a fix on your vehicle at all.

If the laser gun operator is unable to detect your speed, they will then default into their own "jamming" function, usually resulting in a yellow sticker for "incorrect/unsafe wheel nuts" or "ash tray full/fire hazard".

Rob.

[Phyber]

If the laser gun operator is unable to detect your speed, they will then default into their own "jamming" function



Hahaha, I love it!

[HANS YOLO]

Rob, ill try and swing past the shop on Saturday morning if time allows for a chat. Pretty keen on getting some parking sensors