Revenue Raiser Resistance

[SLYDR_SAM]

Just saw this on facebook this morning, couple guys going standing ahead of speed cameras with Guy Fawkes masks and warning signs.
Channel 7 are already asking anyone who knows the names to come forward and looks like they have already had some police attention.
What do you guys think?

Hopefully not repost
https://www.facebook.com/RevenueRaiserResistance

[Uber XR]

To be honest I think someone standing on the Side of a road holding a sign in a mask is more likely to make people slow down than a hidden speed camera.

[phatboy]

ill laugh when WAPOL adopt this tactic because its more effective than something you cant see or know where it is potentially snapping you.
then again, they most likely wont because lowering the road toll doesn't gain them any money :P

[RICEY]

Is it illegal to warn people as they are doing?

[SLYDR_SAM]

Apparently police have been and seen them. No fine or move on notice.

[kurbn]

seen this before on the news years ago and the bloke that was down the road got a fine for displaying a big warning sign he made. And so that's when it made the news.

[mARC]

Can't see anyone warning anybody of anything.

[satch]

Nobody made noise when the police did the same thing when they were on strike...

[Yakky Bear]

I remember the first time he did it and videoed the camera operator having go at him, something along the lines of causing a distraction.
What i would like to know how is this any different to the dominos pizza kids that hold up the signs on the side of the road?

WAPOL PLZ

[mr_rotary]

Needs to be more people doing this. Where do I sign up?

[coFF33]

PM them

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/V-for-Vendetta-Mask-Guy-Fawkes-Mask-Halloween-DressUp-/151375163781?pt=AU_Costumes&hash=item233ea9b185&_uhb=1

[MadDocker]

http://RevenueRaiserResistance.com.au (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)

[RICEY]

seen this before on the news years ago and the bloke that was down the road got a fine for displaying a big warning sign he made. And so that's when it made the news.

I think the fine was because of where he was standing rather than what he was doing, could be wrong.

[RICEY]

http://RevenueRaiserResistance.com.au (http://meatspin.com/)

Dont fuckin click this if you are at work.

[Uber XR]

well done sir.

[Phyber]

Almost clicked it but glanced at URL in corner...thank fuck. In a major client's office space right now, hahaha.



You could stake the sign in the ground and place yourself off to the side possibly avoiding any "distraction" charges?


There's a shop on GEH in Midland that sell radar detectors, they advertise it with a small blue sign that looks just like those old "you just passed a speed camera" signs. Still startles me a bit even though I know it's there and just an ad...

[ReaperSS]

clicked it, work blocked it lol

[MadDocker]

Edited. Now SFW. Don't want to get anyone fired.

[Phyber]

Just realised my avatar is probably not suitable either...YOLO

[crabman]

I remember the first time he did it and videoed the camera operator having go at him, something along the lines of causing a distraction.
What i would like to know how is this any different to the dominos pizza kids that hold up the signs on the side of the road?

WAPOL PLZ

Exactly. If this sign is causing a distraction, all advertisements comprising of more characters than 'SPEED CAM' on bus stops, billboards etc must also be causing a distraction due to their complexity. Hell, even exits signs on the freeway need to be removed for distracting drivers.

[Uber XR]

Exactly. If this sign is causing a distraction, all advertisements comprising of more characters than 'SPEED CAM' on bus stops, billboards etc must also be causing a distraction due to their complexity. Hell, even exits signs on the freeway need to be removed for distracting drivers.

Going on that. the flash from the camera is distracting and can cause accidents... lol.

Also why doesn't centrelink get together with these guys and work out a dole scheme.

Where unemployed will only get the dole payment if they go out and do this at 5 cameras a week. that way our hard earned tax dollars are going towards saving us money.

Might keep them entertained long enough to stop stealing shit and being crack heads too. (obviously not meant at all unemployed)

[Lmx]

Seen a video of this guy talking to the police, been watching far too many American videos.
Guys a spastic, whilst has a valid point just looks like a dickhead.

[Lmx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnZG7zqhvFU&list=UUNOjgf0fYXJ-HC3MryW8llQ

[crabman]

That speed camera operator acted just as I imagined a non-sworn officer would lol.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ

[mr_mike]

its the lead story on ch7 news tonight, apparently perths top cop has called this guy a "village idiot" lol

[SLY346]

its the lead story on ch7 news tonight, apparently perths top cop has called this guy a "village idiot" lol

Pretty rich when his son routinely makes the news for being burnt in meth lab explosions or beating up on women

[phatboy]

I love how the police made a statement saying that they don't really mind!
if someone was taking all my money id be pissed!... wait.

[ReaperSS]

They dont mind but Barnett will be having a fit right now

[Joe]

The Police really didn't have an issue with it.. the Commissioner said the guy was the village idiot, but even then I didn't think he said it maliciously (going by the tone of his voice in the interview), it was somewhat in jest.

[MadDocker]

If this catches on and revenue drops off from the speed cameras, they will legislate to make it illegal pretty quickly.

[Joe]

I actually don't think the police themselves are implementing speed cameras for the sole purpose of raising revenue. They are doing it because they're trying to hammer the safe driving message in, as they would do if they were pulling people up for traffic offences.

However, I believe the revenue is is the state government's sole agenda.

[Damo 69]

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p530/strap69/untitled_zpsf3df69b7.png (http://s1154.photobucket.com/user/strap69/media/untitled_zpsf3df69b7.png.html)

No doubt some university activist douche, who will then reveal himself to bask in the glory and get on nova

[Brett_J]

I actually don't think the police themselves are implementing speed cameras for the sole purpose of raising revenue. They are doing it because they're trying to hammer the safe driving message in, as they would do if they were pulling people up for traffic offences.

However, I believe the revenue is is the state government's sole agenda.

Do the police actually run the speed cameras?
Seems like it's a state government thing, I know a friend does all the HR stuff for the rest of australia for the drivers, it's a private company, not sure about WA.

[coFF33]

Police hire contractors to "run" (read: sit in a car) them


http://bcove.me/ri6s6h06

[phatboy]

how do you even become a speed camera operator?
are they grown in pods and then hatched as fully fledged douche bags?
seems like a pretty easy job, wonder how the pay is? cos id fuckin do it :P

[Brett_J]

how do you even become a speed camera operator?
are they grown in pods and then hatched as fully fledged douche bags?
seems like a pretty easy job, wonder how the pay is? cos id fuckin do it :P

$18/hr for the guys over east !

[Mistikal]

Job pops up on Seek occasionally.

[phatboy]

$18/hr for the guys over east !
is it sad that its a small pay rise?

[JRecardo]

Apparently 6pr released his name and personal information today.

https://www.facebook.com/RevenueRaiserResistance/posts/334977373344703?fref=nf

He also had to ask the question in that thread

"6PR said "speed" is the number one killer on our roads? Is this true? or is he spewing propaganda ?" Not even educated on what he's fighting, why is that of no surprise?

[Sensible]

Just went past a speed camera in Dianella and these guys were standing infront with a sign

[SLYDR_SAM]

After going over a recent printout the other day I found that in the last 10 years that a friend has accumulated 188+ speeding fines.
Over 90% of those fines where from doing the 3-9kmh over the limit and he has paid thousands in fines. He has NEVER been in or caused a car accident in the 30 years of driving.

I have another friend who has never has a speeding fine in her life as she putts along doing the speed limit. She has written off 2 cars in the past 6 months due to not paying attention whilst driving.

I don't condone wreckless driving or excessive speeding on our roads and I despise drink drivers.

Who would you feel more safe driving your children to school?

[Brockas]

"6PR said "speed" is the number one killer on our roads? Is this true? or is he spewing propaganda ?" Not even educated on what he's fighting, why is that of no surprise?
Misinformed mainstream media. Standard.

http://i61.tinypic.com/28s7ced.png

Source: http://rac.com.au/cs/idcplg?IdcService=GET_FILE&dDocName=raccont065639&allowInterrupt=1&RevisionSelectionMethod=LatestReleased&noSaveAs=1


Not just that, but I'd class carelessness and inattention as basically the same thing. If you group them together, they are significantly the highest cause of all fatalities in WA.

[kyle_340]

After going over a recent printout the other day I found that in the last 10 years that a friend has accumulated 188+ speeding fines.
Over 90% of those fines where from doing the 3-9kmh over the limit and he has paid thousands in fines. He has NEVER been in or caused a car accident in the 30 years of driving.

I have another friend who has never has a speeding fine in her life as she putts along doing the speed limit. She has written off 2 cars in the past 6 months due to not paying attention whilst driving.

I don't condone wreckless driving or excessive speeding on our roads and I despise drink drivers.

Who would you feel more safe driving your children to school?

A speeding fine every 3 weeks for 10 years straight?

Wut?

[R3N]

Misinformed mainstream media. Standard.

http://i61.tinypic.com/28s7ced.png

Source: http://rac.com.au/cs/idcplg?IdcService=GET_FILE&dDocName=raccont065639&allowInterrupt=1&RevisionSelectionMethod=LatestReleased&noSaveAs=1



Not just that, but I'd class carelessness and inattention as basically the same thing. If you group them together, they are significantly the highest cause of all fatalities in WA.

I think the numbers are wrong... how can animals behind the wheel only account for 2%? They don't even have opposable thumbs!

[SLYDR_SAM]

Sorry my mistake closer to 15 years, first fine I can see dated back to 97

[Greg Rust]

I think the numbers are wrong... how can animals behind the wheel only account for 2%? They don't even have opposable thumbs!

True but look at what happened in 'snakes on a plane'

I had a speed camera down the road from my house when I lived on Riseley st Booragoon, I made up a large sign that said 'Camera For Sale' and heaps of people were thanking me, the camera operator even walked up, had a look, shrugged his shoulders and walked away.

[phatboy]

Sorry my mistake closer to 15 years, first fine I can see dated back to 97
even at 15 years that's a pretty good effort! im doing at least 5k over 90% of the time and I don't have that many fines!

[DRKWRX]

Failure to give way is pretty careless if you ask me..

[perthute]

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/02/90/69/22/0002906922303_500X500.jpg

if any one has printing / signage hook up would love to buy bulk cheap signs with some sort of stake .
keep em in the boot .
don't have time to sand around would rather go back a few hours later and retrieve sign (if still there )

[Fukushima]

I'd love to see people carrying around that day glo orange spray paint and marking camera spots like in the first episode of x files...

http://m0vie.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/xfiles-pilot6.jpg

A work ute, orange light and some high vis and you could mark all the fixed cameras too.

[crabman]

Can anyone give a brief run down on exactly how the road trauma fund works (or is meant to work given the history of corruption and dodgy spending)

I always thought it was a case of:

Speed camera fines can't be used by government as that is revenue raising.
Government creates road trauma fund for fines to go into that is to be spent on road safety/black spots.
Government cranks up fines so they need to direct less tax revenue to roads as speeders/road rule breakers are paying for new roads/modifications/safety initiatives.

[A360]

main thing is, all fines go into the fund then government stops funding the fund therefor revenue neutral for the arsewipes

[Fukushima]

Govco has started using the fund to pay for police overtime

[fourseven]

*Police overtime relating to traffic operations only.

The audit showed how much of a joke the Road Trauma Trust Account is.


The Account is not a stand-alone account and can be accessed without the Road Safety Council’s or the Office of Road Safety’s approval or control. This creates a risk that Account funds could be applied to projects or activities other than those approved for funding. However, we found no evidence that funds had been accessed for unapproved projects or used inappropriately. While Main Roads WA’s management processes are designed to prevent this from happening, stronger controls are warranted given the increase in funds paid into the Account since 2011.

A lack of policy and clear role definition for the Office of Road Safety as the Account administrator reduces its authority to require funding recipients to provide effective acquittal of project funding. One in five progress reports were not submitted despite the Office of Road Safety’s attempts to gain compliance. Where these were submitted, most contained limited information about progress other than money spent.

The Road Safety Council cannot demonstrate that it has an effective process for making recommendations to maximise the chance of achieving the State’s road safety goals. This is because the Council has no master action plan for the strategy as a whole, and no rigorous or transparent process for choosing the project proposals it recommends. Rigour and transparency are needed to manage the risk of real or perceived conflicts of interest among Council members who both recommend and receive funding from the Account.

The Road Safety Council is not adequately addressing its legislative responsibility to monitor and evaluate the effectiveness of road safety measures. This is because project reporting is patchy and often contains too little information to enable the Council and Office of Road Safety to evaluate project performance and inform future recommendations.

Basically, the money is being used to raise more revenue. The government dips into it whenever and however they like and there's not a single fucking thing anyone can do about it. The roads are shit, the campaigns aren't working, and the statistics are worse than ever.

[Fukushima]

The Road Safety Council cannot demonstrate that it has an effective process for making recommendations to maximise the chance of achieving the State’s road safety goals. This is because the Council has no master action plan for the strategy as a whole, and no rigorous or transparent process for choosing the project proposals it recommends.

Fuck yeah. Brockas you should apply for funding for super cruise and race wars on the basis that it gets dangerous hoons off the road.

You don't even have to prove anything.

[TurboHead]

Not as funny as it sounds.... Because if they didn't supply funding you could go to media saying gov doesn't want to get hoons off the street.

[mehow2g]

I actually don't think the police themselves are implementing speed cameras for the sole purpose of raising revenue. They are doing it because they're trying to hammer the safe driving message in, as they would do if they were pulling people up for traffic offences.

However, I believe the revenue is is the state government's sole agenda.
So hiding in bushes creates safe driving not education?

Anyway

Most people "speed" because its just natural most people who "speed" just don't watch their speedo they just go to a speed where they feel safe and most of the time its over the limit simple as that.

How is it possible we have the same max limit or limits in general for the past 20 years when the cars we drive are much more capable and safe.

[shifted]

How is it possible we have the same max limit or limits in general for the past 20 years when the cars we drive are much more capable and safe.

Because driver education is shit, and if the speed limits were to increase - people would lose their fucking minds. We'd have 120km/hr on the freeway and muppets would still be going 80km/hr causing issues.

Driver education and training should be at the forefront. Mandatory defensive driving courses for P plate test instead of a HPT on a computer screen would also be beneficial.

The reality is there are avenues to pursue to make driving safer, they just don't print money though and require work to implement.

[RICEY]

How is it possible we have the same max limit or limits in general for the past 20 years when the cars we drive are much more capable and safe.

And the roads are better designed and safer as well.

Basically we are being held back by the stupid. It doesnt matter how much you try and educate them they will always drive like fucking idiots on the road.

[zeroyon]

Comparing to other countries we are one of the safest places to drive. Considering our large land mass its pretty amazing.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/road-traffic-accidents/by-country/

Seems everyone wants miracle level of road deaths. Just aint going to happen, so it really is about raising $$.

*Note, Japan is damn impressive ...

[Torquen]

Italy is safe? Lol. You seen those crazy pingpingpingpings drive.

[Nugs]

Italy is safe? Lol. You seen those crazy pingpingpingpings drive.
But everyone is crazy so everyone expects it.

[romonski]

the person with the sign has to be at least 300m away from the camera so you cant get fined for "obstruction"

[skidkid]

Monaco at 10.7 per 100k? That's surprising.

[DISTRBD]

. It doesnt matter how much you try and educate them they will always drive like fucking idiots on the road.

Sitting in road block for a hour this morning as the chopper was parked on he road , some clown in his commodore misjudged the distance and cleaned up the rear end of a falcon ute sending it off the road , commodore has travelled another 50odd meters before it let the road n rolled .

[Buckets]

Italy is safe? Lol. You seen those crazy pingpingpingpings drive.
Italy is fucking bonkers. I saw the aftermath of quite a few huge accidents on the Autostrada this week. And came very close a few times to getting run clean off the road.

pingpingpingpings are fucked.

[Ash]

still better than driving in Perth


Italy is fucking bonkers. I saw the aftermath of quite a few huge accidents on the Autostrada this week. And came very close a few times to getting run clean off the road.

pingpingpingpings are fucked.

[evo5aurus]

Only country I drove in worse than Italy was Poland. Same psycho drivers, if not more psycho, with pot hole riddled roads and worse cars...

[RICEY]

Best place Ive driven in LA, everyone nails it everywhere.

It's also the worst in peak hour.

[Denver]

paris, people are nuts, oh you stopped at a set of lights on a two lane road, and there's already two of you stopped at the lights, lets jam 2 scooters on one side and another car on the other because we're fucking rude and impatient..

[romonski]

yeh italy is crazy with jamming scooters everywhere on the roads. Even the taxi drivers over there are fucking crazy

[fourseven]

the person with the sign has to be at least 300m away from the camera so you cant get fined for "obstruction"

Do you have a source for that? 99% certain that's false, because you can park your car directly in front of a speed camera providing you are parking legally.

[romonski]

Do you have a source for that? 99% certain that's false, because you can park your car directly in front of a speed camera providing you are parking legally.

basically the rules are you have to stand 300m infront of the cam (this gives speeders time to slow down and also means you cant be fined with obstruction) other than that, just no violent behaviour, abuse, and just obvious thigs like that. if you are approached by police, remember what you are doing is legal and they have no grounds to fine you. if your approached by media, you do not have to talk or let them film you. that is your decision. if you have any questions, feel free to send them our way thanks for your support !!! RRR

this is from the rrr page on fb

[fourseven]

Cheers for that. I can't find anything about it elsewhere.

[romonski]

i have just received a reply from my lawyer regarding the issue stated above. he responded with this

him - In short: yes it's breaking the law. It's obstruction of a public officer.

me - i got told that if i were to be 300 m away its not obstruction?

him - That's not written anywhere. If you're 300m away you could perhaps argue that you're far enough away to not be obstructing but I wouldn't bet my house on it.
Flashing your lights at oncoming cars to warn them is considered obstructing.

FUCK

[Satan]

flashing lights = I was warning someone they had their beams/fog lights on officer

[huggy_b]

flashing lights = I was warning someone they had their beams/fog lights on officer

LOL, good luck with that "defense"

[RICEY]

His latest post smells strongly of bs. I think fame is getting to his head.

[crabman]

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_DL_B_DriveSafePart3.pdf

Page 52. It is not allowed due to the 'dazzling' of oncoming traffic.

How this makes sense compared to a cop car leaving their party lights on at night on the side of the road rendering me blind for 5 minutes, I can't quite understand.

[phatboy]

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_DL_B_DriveSafePart3.pdf

Page 52. It is not allowed due to the 'dazzling' of oncoming traffic.

How this makes sense compared to a cop car leaving their party lights on at night on the side of the road rendering me blind for 5 minutes, I can't quite understand.

Mate! clearly you fail to see how fantastic double standards are!