How to find out if a law/punishment has been changed??

[mr_mike]

Been a lot of rumours flying about today that the fine for having a plate obscured on a bike has gone from $50 to $1000. I haven't been able to find any solid evidence that this is in fact the case. Anyone got any suggestions on where to look?

cheers Mike

[Sensible]

Hasn't been done yet

The police minister was on the 5pm news on JJJ saying it will happen

[R3N]

http://www.ors.wa.gov.au/road-safety-topics/road-issues/road-rules-and-penalties

[ossie_21]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/24242301/police-seek-help-to-nab-bike-hoons/

This says it's $50 but will be changing, doesn't say how much it will go to yet though

[shifted]

if they were to do that I would have thought there'd be a news report/police statement on the website or the like? does this type of stuff need any specific approval?

[mr_mike]

still..... $1000 < hoon law fine/confiscation & storage

[S85FI]

Got to www.slp.wa.gov.au. register as a subscription for acts relevant to your need.

Road traffic act 1974. Also 2012

Also the subsidiary legislation for the parent act. Penalties will differ pending if its an infringement from the code, licensing regs or the VSRs. Etc.

ORS is lacking that info.

You will get an email every friday around 4pm notifying of any change relevant to your subscription and the big one, whether the legislation is amended or gazetted. If the change is gazetted you won't find it published in the Act until reprint.

I subscribed to RTA for the obvious, residential tenancy act and the local government act as that controls the need and type for smoke alarms for rental properties.

[DanWA]

Is it really that common that plates are hidden? why is it a "bike" thing?

[mr_mike]

Is it really that common that plates are hidden? why is it a "bike" thing?

can you reach out your car window and easily flip an unused rego disc over your number plate?

A lot of new riders seem to think of it as some sort of "cool" thing to do to have a rego disc with a funny pic over their lic plate as they wobble around at 10km above the speed limit. Now its being cracked down on.

[DanWA]

Ah makes sense, wondered why they were targetting bikes only

[mr_mike]

it wont be bikes only, its just more common on bikes

[SSICK]

i really don't understand why they cant put a licence plate on the front of a bike.

The excuse 'its a hazard' is a load of horseshit.

[Liberator]

LOL! at the suggestion of micro chipping bikes by the shadow minister . same laws apply to cars ?
EDIT * should have been more specific , the same law as in raising the fine applying to cars ?

[kyle_340]

i really don't understand why they cant put a licence plate on the front of a bike.

The excuse 'its a hazard' is a load of horseshit.

it IS a hazard. on the front of a bike it will overhang like dogs balls, essentially making it a razor blade travelling at speed.

there's a reason they took them off bikes in the first place

[dmanvan]

i really don't understand why they cant put a licence plate on the front of a bike.

The excuse 'its a hazard' is a load of horseshit. and while they are at it..... airbags on the front for pedestrians so that no one will get hurt at all... then they can crack down on dangerous 4wd's and their big bull bars.... in fact make roads for walking only ,,, everything else is too dangerous...

:p

[Crispymk2]

i really don't understand why they cant put a licence plate on the front of a bike.

The excuse 'its a hazard' is a load of horseshit.

So, where is this plate going to go?

Not all bikes could fit one. Even a sticker would have to either obscure the headlight or sit on the front guard and would be at an angle unreadable to cameras anyway (even if my guard wasn't cut down). Failing that, some form of bracket would need to be added or a flouro vest with it on which, if we were forced to wear, will see me return to adding another car to the morning traffic queue...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/11765682423_75421a0839_b.jpg

[SSICK]

A bracket. is it really that hard to think of?

Roll the edges of the number plate, would be no sharper than the guard on the front wheel.

[SSICK]

it IS a hazard. on the front of a bike it will overhang like dogs balls, essentially making it a razor blade travelling at speed.

there's a reason they took them off bikes in the first place

Let me reply with.....what a load of shit.

mirrors, lights, clutch and brake leavers can all do damage, are all at the front of the bike. A simple bracket mounting it off the forks or wherever it fits (there is a bracket for EVERY application in this world).

[Crispymk2]

A bracket. is it really that hard to think of?

Roll the edges of the number plate, would be no sharper than the guard on the front wheel.

I thought of bracket if you read my post, but reducing either headlight visibility or suspension travel. No thanks.

And who pays for all these custom designed brackets to suit each application and all the number plates to be printed? Does a number plate bracket become an ADR requirement for all new bikes in Australia therefore increasing cost and reducing model options.

The dumbest part is they already have the technology to catch motorbikes speeding. The last two times I have been done has been from rear facing cameras in my car which would also have got the bike.

Solution: Increase the penalty for fucking around with your number plate, utilise rear facing cameras, quit demonising all bike riders because a few chose to do the wrong thing and they will probably just obscure their front plate too!

[DanWA]

i would rather they make cyclists have numberplates/rego than nit pick on motorbikes

[ho57ile]

I wish more people rode bikes, less people paying bullshit speeding fines and less traffic on the roads. Don't get the jealousy?

[Joe]

Guys, pipe down before you start ruining (a large number of) Perth bike rider's elitism and sense of entitlement.

Traffic laws apply to bikes? NOOOOOOO... ludicrous!

[DISTRBD]

Fender below would act the same way , I would be more concerned with that big glass headlight having a face slam into it at speed ..



it IS a hazard. essentially making it a razor blade travelling at speed



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/11765682423_75421a0839_b.jpg




Simple fact is you know its illegal so why fucking cry about it ?

[Nugs]

I didn't realise it was only a $50 fine for no plates. I would have taken my front plate off ages ago.

[Crispymk2]

Fender below would act the same way , I would be more concerned with that big glass headlight having a face slam into it at speed ..









Simple fact is you know its illegal so why fucking cry about it ?

Way to pick and choose comments to quote and good luck getting hit by my plastic fender given it has nearly a foot of wheel in front of it.

I'm simply against front plates when we already have the ability to catch speeders with rear facing cameras. Even cars in some US states only run back plates so maybe cars here should be able to remove theirs so they can feel special too?

[_S9_]

So, where is this plate going to go?

Not all bikes could fit one.



Bet you they can fit one.....

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4487453/bikeplate.jpg

[-Luke-]

go batman styles projector headlamp that displays rego,riders name and sexual preference.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToW2YvvIHNDm3iCq5tSuGnmBcG7UTL6 SFzlArH8c0w8HdhJX8TXN08lWQ

[R3N]

Obstruction of plate carries a hefties penalty than simply not having plates

[Crispymk2]

Bet you they can fit one.....

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4487453/bikeplate.jpg

Nice, flat piece of flimsy aluminium mounted to a plastic front guard. Given that my rear plates get ripped apart every six months how long will that last?

And the rest of my post? Who is going to pay for all these custom plate brackets to suit different bikes? And what is the point when those who want to speed on a bike can just obscure the front plate as well?

Like I said, it's a non-issue. Increase the fine for fucking with a plate, utilise rear facing cameras more and stop crying about bike riders as not all of them obscure their plates or ride like maniacs just like not all modified car drivers are baby killing hoons.

[mr_mike]

Guys, pipe down before you start ruining (a large number of) Perth bike rider's elitism and sense of entitlement.

Traffic laws apply to bikes? NOOOOOOO... ludicrous!

It's not about being elitist or rules not applying to riders. If you had a way of avoiding sneaky hidden speed cameras so simply and knew the punishment if caught was so insignificant would you not do it?
On my bike I am very particular about when and where I crack the throttle but when your on something that will go well over 200kph in a couple seconds it's very tempting just to give it a quick squirt even just a twist as I overtake a car can.put me in hoon law territory on the fly. An easily obscured numberplate is just a simple bit of licence insurance.
I will very rarely cover my plate in the metro area, but then again I rarely speed in metro area so there is no need. Country runs I will continue to tape my plate as I always have as a possible $1000 fine is still less than the consequences of being caught at country speeds.
It's the ones who.roll round.the metro area with plate covered like some spastic badge of honour that have drawn it to police attention.

[RICEY]

It's not about being elitist or rules not applying to riders. If you had a way of avoiding sneaky hidden speed cameras so simply and knew the punishment if caught was so insignificant would you not do it?
On my bike I am very particular about when and where I crack the throttle but when your on something that will go well over 200kph in a couple seconds it's very tempting just to give it a quick squirt even just a twist as I overtake a car can.put me in hoon law territory on the fly. An easily obscured numberplate is just a simple bit of licence insurance.
I will very rarely cover my plate in the metro area, but then again I rarely speed in metro area so there is no need. Country runs I will continue to tape my plate as I always have as a possible $1000 fine is still less than the consequences of being caught at country speeds.
It's the ones who.roll round.the metro area with plate covered like some spastic badge of honour that have drawn it to police attention.

I think Joe's post was aimed at bicycle riders.

[Joe]

No it was aimed at motorcycle riders.. not all though. So many seem to think they can do what they want just because they ride a motorcycle.

But yes, you could easily apply this analogy to the bicycle muppets also, of which there are a lot.

[mr_mike]

agreed it seems as the number of riders on the road has increased so has the level of fuckwit-ism. On TT last night was prime example with the guy riding down emergency lane, believe it or not this type of shit pisses of real riders as much as it does people in cars. There is no need for it, if you're to scared to split like a man then sit in traffic

[Lump]

Let me reply with.....what a load of shit.

a version/modification of this would work
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l482/RXF35/duh_zpsf63fb0df.jpg
(spot the photobomb lol)

[Riggs]

So much but hurt in this thread.

Plate goes where?

http://static.twisted-throttle.net/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/28496d0a14ec004b76332fd2427e3099/p/h/phpi6ZzI4.jpg

Under hard braking, the front guard will be ~10mm from the nose. Normal braking ~20-30mm

A front plate took a blokes head off many many moons ago, front plates were no longer mandatory on bikes.

It should stay that way.

Change the fines for obscuring/removing all you want, rear face cameras etc.

No need for plates on the front.

[Lump]

plate could go above headlight on that one

[dmanvan]

the whole thing is retarded and we are all missing the point, that politicians are often working to the smallest groups as are so out of touch with reality that they don't give a toss whether their so called solution is even practical of how it is even going to work or affect those that it is aimed at... they miss the mark so many times with their ill formed ideas because some nimby wants something done about it... take bikie and hoon laws for example..... how many politicians even ride a bike on the road you think? and how many people commenting actually ride as well.

[Crispymk2]

plate could go above headlight on that one

On the screen? Nice work champ. Bikes have changed a bit since your pic.

This is also just one example, there is no easy way to retrofit all bikes with a front plate.

[Lump]

yeah on the lowest part of the screen - its not like you can actually use it as one - big reflective sticker for example

[Crispymk2]

How about now, can you see the problem yet?

Every bike is different and none were designed to have a front number plate.

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/superbikes/24696d1198383100-about-front-749-front-fender-ducati-01.jpg

http://images.bikedekho.com/large/ducati/model/ducati-diavel/ducati-diavel-front-cross-side-view.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tf-m5UG-rSM/TLn__4XrUtI/AAAAAAAAAQQ/57jMOXP7oO0/s400/BMW+K1300R+front+view.png

http://bikeglam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Dragon-TT-Sonno-GTR-Head-Light-and-Front-View.jpg

http://www.motorbikesgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Honda-CB750-by-Moto-Hangar_front.jpg

[c.rusli]

Get one of this
http://www.bellacorse.com/images/bcc004.jpg

http://www.knucklebusterinc.com/features/wp-content/2010/05/KBProc_4_28_10_100.jpg

http://www.newbonneville.com/assets/images/number_plate1.jpg


Stickers to fender
http://imganuncios.mitula.net/nitro_windstar_ii_96635420008420708.jpg

windscreen sticker
http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/singaporeseen/sites/default/files/public/article/images/gallery/1363447.jpg


Those above if applied could have been catch on the front facing camera.

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/article-1297849448838-0d33a089000005dc-258350_466x310.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/13/article-1320260-0B988774000005DC-297_474x520.jpg

[Crispymk2]

Ah, the old pedestrian slicer! Would be impossible to read given the angle used for front facing cameras.

Small sticker is the only sensible suggestion but still won't work on many naked and classic bikes with no screens.

Feel like I'm reading PerthNow comments.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130719232812/dragonball/images/0/07/Comeonman.png

[-Luke-]

I'm starting to think you're not interested in working with us to find a solution.

[Fukushima]

Just implant GPS trackers into riders bodies

Also include blood type and organ donation info for when they inevitably write themselves off

[mr_rotary]

Solved.

http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbiker/newspics5/Australian-Helmet-Number-Plate.jpg

[Drift_R32]

Stickers are a great idea
Doesn't have to be on the front fender but on the side ,helmet etc

Although one of the best things of having a motorbike is no front license plate and the ability to hide rear plate
I'll admit that it's Definately attractive if you daily commute on a bike and don't like speeding fines

[Butcher]

There is always a solution to every problem. The human race are innovators and always find ways to overcome issues, it's what we do. Im sure the same
arguments were had at the invention of cars, skyscrapers, submarines, planes that it cant be done? Hell even china is leveling mountains to increase its
construction scope. Most of the arguments are being based on 'safety' where in reality most riders are just pissy that their immunity from prosecution is under
threat.

[mr_mike]

Rear facer cameras. Problem solved, there is no need for some solution to a problem that really doesn't exist.

Stickers on helmet is stupid, see a speed camera turn your head right just enough so camera can't be seen.

To be honest I am surprised at some of the comments here, they are no different to the "why do cars need 400hp" or "all cars should be fwd 4cyl" comments made on PerthNow.

[Crispymk2]

Solved.

http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbiker/newspics5/Australian-Helmet-Number-Plate.jpg

Until you fit one to a helmet with a tinted visor and ride with it up. Even a clear visor up over the sticker might distort it enough to make the photo useless.


Most of the arguments are being based on 'safety' where in reality most riders are just pissy that their immunity from prosecution is under
threat.

I have been flashed and fined by rear facing cameras, how is that immunity?

If you speed there could be negative consequences, we all know that. I also drive like a dick in my car on occasion, time and place applies to both.

[dmanvan]

Just implant GPS trackers into riders bodies

Also include blood type and organ donation info for when they inevitably write themselves off the extra revenue raising would make pollies moist,,,,

solved ......helmet Mohawk

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll208/eight2ten/motosolved.jpg

[Riggs]

Sure there is a solution, but in this case you are trying to reinvent the wheel when there are already measures in effect to solve the issue (rear facing cameras) so what is the point?

As for removing plates, this is just as big an issue for cars as it is for bikes. How would a front plate resolve this? The fact that it may be easier to run on a bike remains but there is no real, logical solution to that problem. You could restrict the power on bikes, or only allow 250s in the country but we all know how irrational logic like that is.

As car enthusiasts we don't like laws being passed that make life difficult for us (IM 240, hoonlaws etc) but when another group is targeted some seem to want to jump to conclusions without any knowledge of the situation, much like the general public when ACA do a report on a Yellow R34.

Shut the fuck up. Get off your high horses and deal with it.

[Butcher]

Rear facing cameras work for identifying the vehicle but not the driver/rider and or any visible infringements that show up in the photo such as mobile phone use, no seat belt in cars.

[Crispymk2]

You can sign a stat-dec for a rear flash fine in a car to say you were not driving too so what is your point?


...

As car enthusiasts we don't like laws being passed that make life difficult for us (IM 240, hoonlaws etc) but when another group is targeted some seem to want to jump to conclusions without any knowledge of the situation, much like the general public when ACA do a report on a Yellow R34.

Shut the fuck up. Get off your high horses and deal with it.

So much this.

[Riggs]

Rear facing cameras work for identifying the vehicle but not the driver/rider and or any visible infringements that show up in the photo such as mobile phone use, no seat belt in cars.

Retarded comment.

[mr_mike]

Need to look past the "oh motorbike riders will finally be brought to justice" shit. You get a cop in a bad mood or with a quota to meet and suddenly $1000 fines getting handed out everywhere.
Think it's just gonna effect bikes? What about people carrying pushbikes on the back of their cars? Tow balls on cars? Had a weekend out 4wd and you're heading home with mud on your car? Jap car with a rich tune and black soot covers the plate? Jap car with rear plate in stock position with bent edges so it fits?

All of these can be interpreted as obscuring or modifying the plate and all will carry a $1000 fine at the cops digression.

So really it runs a lot deeper than fuck bikes.

[dmanvan]

^^^^^ and that.... (exactly where the hoon laws and bikie laws started and look how thucked up they are)

there are more bogans doing petrol drive offs than the amount of bike riders obscuring plates.... and wtf are the police's and pollies doing about it.... must have been a slow news week

oh that's right make all servo's pre-pay and inconvenience the majority honest populous. I fear that the sol'n in this case re number plate obscuring is going to somewhat inconvenience the larger moto riding public..

[Evoboycorey]

+1 Helmet Mohawk

[DISTRBD]

Need to look past the "oh motorbike riders will finally be brought to justice" shit. You get a cop in a bad mood or with a quota to meet and suddenly $1000 fines getting handed out everywhere.
Think it's just gonna effect bikes? What about people carrying pushbikes on the back of their cars?

LOL was done twice in collie for bike rack covering plate , once on my Ps and another after I got my license back ( collie cop took that aswell ) .

[mr top hat]

well the state government should ban motorbikes that cant have a plate installed on the front.

[mr_mike]

It's the government once again using a minority to push through a law change that will effect everyone.
Rear facing cameras are a prime example, the headline at the time was they will stop motorbikes speeding, yeah fair enough and no doubt they have pinged a fair few who would of otherwise got away. But I can tell you for a fact I have never seen a rear facer on any country road that is frequented by motorbikes at high speed. would these not be the prime spot to capture the target of the campaign? But no they are put of Freeway and main roads and ping a lot more road users more frequently.

[DISTRBD]

But I can tell you for a fact I have never seen a rear facer on any country road that is frequented by motorbikes at high speed.

The way I see it is they let the big trees down this way sort out the good riders from the bad , same goes for cars , know there here you wont go stupid ..

[ossie_21]

Replace cameras with real cops, more of a deterrent than a hidden camera will ever be

[S85FI]

So far so good. No pictures of me.

[Pav]

All it comes down to is the bikes can't be done by the majority of forward facing speed cameras and multanovas out there, so they're missing out on that revenue. I swear that is all it is. Greedy fucks.

If I rode I'd be pissed about this. As Mr Mike said; I would definitely tamper with my plate given the opportunity, however there is a time and place. It's such a shame that there are so many idiots ruining it for the real riders.

I'm actually kinda surprised at some of the comments posted here so far....

[huggy_b]

Of course it's revenue, but also that small % of fuckwit bike riders (much like "hoons") cause issues for the majority. It's the way of the world that you legislate against the lowest denominator.