Looking to build a stroked 5l 302 windsor. other options

[PHIL]

I'm wanting to build either a stroked 5l windsor or other motor for my AU "tickford" ute. I will not be going down the blown/turbo road.
Definitely want to stay with N/A. What are peoples thoughts/opinions on what to do, best motor to build off, anyone one had experience doing this.
I do have an option of a 351 clevo but not sure if i want to go carby or stick with electronic.
Gearbox, tail shaft and diff has already been built strong by previous owner who was going to build a motor.
Throw me some ideas or links to info.
I already have a guy that will build it, i just want to run all my options by him first and then settle on 1 route.
My aim is 400 to 450hp at the treads, any more and ill be more than stoked.
cheers

[RICEY]

cammed LS1

[ED40]

Ierace and Streetbuilt off the top of my head are the windsor gurus in perth, hit them up? These engines are quite expensive to build mate and 450rwhp would mean a fair bit of dollars, usually a 347 stroker kit is the most common. Sprinted on here with the hilux ute might be able to help you out as he was building one at one stage.

[PHIL]

Ok cool thanks. I had read a bit about the 347 being the most common. Maybe I'm aiming to high power wise then. What would be a plausible hp figure with a 347 stroker kit built heads and whatever else needs doing. I was thinking a budget of 6 to 7 k. Is that cheap or expensive

[MrSparkle]

They are crack money to build.

A friend got quoted 24k for a 500hp 347 and she had to supply the block to use so imagine how many engines you would have to tear down to find one that's suitable. That was Ierace. The solution? A place called proformance unlimited in new jersey built her a 363 windsor using a dart block that can be taken out larger then a stock block thus bigger engine. Hers made 520 hp on the engine dyno and came in at almost half of the local guys but the price included a tranny stall and postage on an airplane she had it the same week. They sent her a link to the dyno tuning and the parts list reads like a drag cars engine. We could even see them while they were building it in their engine room.

We went there and met these guys and they were awesome to deal with. Tour of the shop met the guys they even pulled out their big block el camino to show us.

It had to stay pysically 302 because it's in a 64 1/4 mustang so they have tiny engine bays. Biggest engine you can fit in there. If you have space for a 351 go bigger. The hp comes out easier.

[ED40]

Have you considered a 5Lt coyote? They are awesome motors. Might find one at a wrecker, would be rare as though. The good thing is with the windsor all the gear you need can be bought from the states and there are heaps of forums to look at different builds.. Corral.net is a popular mustang forum, id definitely check that out.
Also have a gander at this build thread;
http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11198359
Jeff is a co-owner at streetbuilt racing and he has been through a few combos you might be interested in the results. I know him pretty well if you want to pm me i can put you in touch, id definitely use EFI not carby and get these guys to tune it, they specialise in these motors.

[PHIL]

Good stuff. Im a member on ford forums so i might go and have a read there. Thought i would ask here first being more perth based. Cheers for all the quick replies guys. Appreciate it. I did think of the coyote but i think it would be nicer to keep the car with original motor config.

[anton]

my friend josh droppped 15K in parts in his EL 5.0 only made 330rwhp with a decent stall but still thats alot of money for not much HP

[RICEY]

Same as the Holden 5L, my VN had a 15k stroker in it made 300rwhp, the VZ made the same with only a tune haha.

Some motors just arent worth modding unless forced induction.

[Damo 69]

crate motor from the USA would be the way to go

shame about the AUD at the moment

[Fukushima]

Sr20det

[Evman]

http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/

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[heavyduty1340]

http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/

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And end of finances lol

[huggy_b]

Bear in mind if you are sticking with the 5L, you're shooting for 500 - 600hp at the flywheel which is getting up around V8 supercar territory - I don't think your budget is quite sufficient.
What's the reason for ruling out forced induction?

I'm assuming you've already got the 5L windsor in it?

[200MPH]

How legal do you want it?

A 347 or 331 windsor bore and stroker will cost a lot of money to make the power you're talking. Ask me how...

Here's what mine took to make around 380 RWHP (98 fuel, 10.5 compression) on a couple of different dyno dynamic dynos:

Ford Boss 4 bolt block (New). You may or may not get lucky without splitting a normal injected 5.0 block. They're weak as. At the power you want, you'll have to budget a block unless you wish to try your luck.
Scat stroker kit (347 for me). The lighter cheaper version with cast crank and I beam rods with KB forged pistons has been reliable over several seasons of 7000 rpm action.
Good heads. I used Edelbrock Victor Jr. Now - probably go the new AFR 195 Renegade heads for better torque and top end power. $2300 per pair, c/w valve and springs.
Solid roller cam, prety decent size - forget passing a 5 gas test. mine is (was) 244/250 at 50 thou with 591 thou lift. All the gear to go with solid roller cams is not cheap. lifters and adjustable shaft YT roller rockers.
Plus all the inlet and exhaust stuff. Big free flow (loud!) exhaust (dual 3" with 1 3/4 extractors) and 8 stack EFI, but you could use a trick flow track heat manifold and big throttle body of course.

So go shopping online and add up all the cost of that, plus all the block bore hone, line bore, decking, balancing, assemble and all the other little bits you'll need (good sump, timing chain set, gaskets, blah, blah) and see if you can do it for much under 15k, not including a decent aftermarket ECU to run it all.

As mentioned above, you'd really have to want to keep a 8.2" deck height (302) Windsor to go through it all.

[PHIL]

wow. cheers for all that. reason for not going forced is simple. don't want to, don't get me wrong i like the sound and go of F/I but i want to do an N/A. Spoke to my mate who's going to build it and he's said just stick with the 347 for now can always smash a turbo or two in there later on. looks like ive got a lot of reading to do anyway.power figure was just a hope and dream but in reality i just want to build a strong motor that can be daily driven and smashed around a track a few times a year

yes. have a 5l in it already and have been offered a second 5l and a 351 aswell. to many decisions

[Turbo2.6L]

Seriously, stick a cammed LS2 wrecker motor in it. Will make the 450rwhp figure you were hoping for, will stay within budget providing you/your mate is good with a set of spanners, will be loads more reliable than a 347ci ford engine.

[PHIL]

if i wanted to be like every other tom dick and harry, then i would do that or a i6 turbo.

[Turbo2.6L]

How many other Tom Dick & Harry's have done the LS conversion into a falcon?
Also, trendsetting needs a big budget usually. $7k won't build you a tough 347 that will hold together, especially once you in our all of your bolt ons.

[PHIL]

not saying they've done it into falcons, everything else seems to have LS conversions. wouldn't call it trend setting either.

[mys1]

Good on you for wanting to spend what an AU ute is worth on an engine!

[PHIL]

Good on you for wanting to spend what an AU ute is worth on an engine!

isn't that the game of motorsports

[Turbo2.6L]

The endgame is to have something fast. Won't do that if you stick to the 302 route :p

[1SPRINT]

I was building a 347 Windsor at one stage and spent around $13g (all name brand gear) on parts alone and the end result would of only been good for around 450hp. I sold my car and was left with the motor and was trying to sell for ages ended up selling it to a mate for $6500. Wouldn't bother with the Windsor IMO, as said there are a few falcons getting around with LS motors in them and its not that hard to do either.

My hilux is for sale buy that win win. Shameless plug;)

[Miggy]

http://ford.shafiroff.com/ford_crate_engines/363_ford_hhr.php

[heavyduty1340]

How many other Tom Dick & Harry's have done the LS conversion into a falcon?
Also, trendsetting needs a big budget usually. $7k won't build you a tough 347 that will hold together, especially once you in our all of your bolt ons.


Bunno wreckers had a falcon drift car with ls in it last year.

[Uber XR]

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=13118


I (http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=13118)t would cost you more in parts to build this.