80 Series Landcruisers..

[Stef]

Looking at selling the Focus off and getting one of these, understand there is a difference between HDJ80 and HZJ80 (turbo to non turbo).. Is there anything I should look out for on these to replace?

Looking at early 90 models ideally. Max of around 14-15k..

Or does anybody think I should look at something like a GQ?

[Turboesky]

The turbo diesels came in two varieties over here. The early 80's had the 1HD-t which is the SOHC 12 valve and the late model ones had the 1hd-ft which is the 24 valve and a much better engine. I would spend the extra to get a turbo over the NA 1hz. (and steer clear of aftermarket turboed 1hz's)

Make sure you ask to see a service history and look for regular oil changes (5000km).

[Stef]

I'd rather get the turbo diesel, having driven one a while back I know what it is like. But some of these ones online at the moment they are asking stupid cash for (try mid 30k for a later model one with a shit tonne of ks).

[Turboesky]

What do you consider high Km's?

Something like this would be a good buy. I would personally try get a manual though especially if you plan on doing any towing.

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/east-gresford/cars-vans-utes/urgent-sale-1994-gxl-toyota-land-cruiser-wagon/1036270768

[skidkid]

Thought about a prado?

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[Stef]

Anything over around 450-500000kms I would like to avoid.. Unless it's got a full service history and has been maintained. Chances of finding one with complete history from day 1 would be very rare but I'm in no rush, will wait till the right one comes along. I would only be looking at a manual, won't be towing a great deal just yet..

Have looked at Prado's also, possibly would consider. Also considering a GQ patrol/maverick. Always liked the 80's hence why that's my first choice.. But yeah open to other suggestions..

[South]

The turbo diesels came in two varieties over here. The early 80's had the 1HD-t which is the SOHC 12 valve and the late model ones had the 1hd-ft which is the 24 valve DOHC and a much better engine. I would spend the extra to get a turbo over the NA 1hz. (and steer clear of aftermarket turboed 1hz's)

Make sure you ask to see a service history and look for regular oil changes (5000km).

You sure about your statement of the 1HD-FT being a DOHC, or would you like to retract that from the records?!?!

It's a 24 valve SOHC, with a bridge to actuate two valves per rocker.

The 1HD-FT is very desirable, while the 1HD-T is as well, but not so much. Power on paper is very close, but real world driving they are very different animals... Anyhow the former doesn't fit in your budget, as you have seen high prices, and they will remain that way because of the demand. I could sell mine tomorrow for 40k quite easily. I've had people knock on my door asking about it, complete randoms.

High km's aren't an issues, rather the injectors, the injector pump are, if they haven't been done in the last 200-250k kms then time for a rebuild on those. Turbos last as long as the motor, but recommend a rebuild at 350k kms, or fit a Gturbo, Intercooler, Exhaust, pump and other mods to the tune of 10k!

If it's a 1HD-T, then you'll also need to have the bottom end bearings checked if they weren't done in the last 100k kms, they need to be replaced every 100k, but it's just a sump off job.

Don't be afraid of an auto, would be a better option if you plan on rock hopping.

GQ TD42T would suit your budget, they are slower, cost more to build up and have too small a radiator, and interior is very 80s... either one will fulfil your needs, I'm just a little biased!

[Turboesky]

You sure about your statement of the 1HD-FT being a DOHC, or would you like to retract that from the records?!?!

It's a 24 valve SOHC, with a bridge to actuate two valves per rocker.
!

I stand corrected. I should know better having the 1hd-fte in the wifes car:o

[Stef]

Rock hopping not so much, touring yeah probably, I'm just so used to driving a manual that I'd probably just prefer to stick with it.. I recall couple of years ago I could have picked up an 80 series which had a tray back conversion done on it for a mint price (with the 1HDFT engine) but I missed it by half an hour! Rocked up and it was gone!

[Pete]

Mate has a petrol 4.5 he bunged a gt3540 on with tuned gas. Gets good mileage on 35s, has the usual big lift, big tyres, f + r lockers etc. Plenty of room inside, we took it to Coolcalaya Station with Kalbarri, Lucky Bay and Wagoo on the way home, comfortable.

A lot of people are chasing them lately.

[skidkid]

If you're not doing that much off-roading, and more touring, I'd look at a more modern 4wd like a prado/pajero ect. Will be much nicer as a daily.

Thought about dual cabs?

[Brett_J]

TD Prado's have come down in price in the last few years, drove an 05 to Broome last year, such a decent car to drive,comfy as shit, hooked up on the beach no worries as well.

[Stef]

Not really tom, need the 7 seat capacity (missus + 2 kids, plus my parents come over twice a year and we go all over the place). I will also be driving it daily, there will be some off roading involved (heading to numerous off road places around aus, plenty here in NSW to begin with) so obviously confer level will be a huge factor..

[Brett_J]

7 Seat Prado would do perfectly.

[South]

Dual cabs are slow as fuck, have shit leaf spring rear ends, can tow bulk weight but not at speed, are small inside, what else can I add to that list, hmmmmmm... let me go outside and look at my Wildtrak, I'm sure I'll add more soon ;)

Prado is a wallowing, average piece of machinery, the 120 has an interior that looks like it was made in the early 90s, the 150 was upgraded to look like the early 00s. I drove a 150 through Karijini, it was an interesting experience!

If you had a 40k budget, go a 100 TD 5spd auto and tickle it... or a NS/T Pajero... but as you don't for this car, the 80 is perfect for what you want, BUT make sure you upgrade the drivers seat, stock gives you a sore back within 30mins of touring.

[Ko[R]uPt]

120 Prado will do the job very well, 8 seats (GXL models and up), 180L tank, comfortable, very reliable 4L petrol motor.
Stretch your budget a bit and find a 5sp (late 2004+) if you decide on auto, and research carefully if you decide diesel.

Quite a few on the market so you can pick and choose what extras suit your needs and lowball away.

[Mariuszfc20b]

Driven all the models and as South said the 1HDFT is mack daddy.. biggest difference i find is this motor is much smoother in power delivery and how it acts off road.

Saying that I have a factory 1hdt GXL (12v) and it hauls some serious ass. Done the usual mods Gturbo Badboy2, topmount, 3" exh, new injection pump, injectors, and others to get 240rwhp @ 20psi.. its been my daily for a long time now trouble free. I feel these mods are a must have for anyone doing offroad works as it puts less stress on the the car, I do the same tracks when she was standard and think "shit that was easy" :)

Few other things;

The factory toyo diff centres are rubbish and though they last 10 billion miles dont lock at all :(
Bigger brakes are fitted to 95+ , conversion can be done easily
Big ends need to be replaced every 100kms ( I find this a perk, keeps your engine fresh ) downside 6hrs or so of fun with oil dripping on your face haha
95+ also have a dash upgrade but mainly looks
Sahara have rear airconditioning BIG ++ Ive insulated the rear quarters and floor to keep heat out the cabin + 10% tint back end 20% front windows and 50% windscreen (does the job) also keeps the popo off your tail
If it doesnt have electric antenna Relocate or get an internal aerial ( impossible to keep together going through scrub! )
The factory front seats are..how do you put it? simply fucked!!! budget a set of recaros, After doing so wondered why I bothered doing any other mod beforehand!

Feel free to ask any questions can pm my number if easier. Prob going to be selling my rig as cant fit two Great Danes in the back :( so going with a 105series GXL and doing a 6.6 Duramax conversion :D Best place to look is gumtree, offroad80s, lcool.org. Have found a few mint rigs on carsales (oldies posting) but they last hours

http://i.imgur.com/J8p7eVD.jpg?1

[DanWA]

Brother in law has a 96 Sahara 1HDT-FT.

He had a GXL 4.5 Petrol before and hunted high and low for a later Sahara with the turbo diesel. When they do come up they are crack priced.

Ended up getting one in Sydney for 18k which was well cheaper than ones that pop up here and it was low km, with a few tasteful mods and looked after.

Flew to Sydney with him on a Thursday, was back in Collie by Sunday, was a lovely car to drive and the Sahara is way nicer than his GXL was, i enjoyed driving it.

[South]

... to get 240rwhp @ 20psi.. i

nice rig!
got a print out? I'm yet to get mine on a dyno, he tuned it on the street for me... I'm upping mine to 26psi to cool down the EGT... it likes to play around 600C post :)

[Mariuszfc20b]

not on me but il get you one next week hopefully when she gets tuned again.. just waiting on XXi industries to send me an airbox, Water2Air cooler and custom intake manifold and got a 4" SS snorkel to bung on cant bloody wait

[Kickit]

Toyotas are shit
Get a GQ TD42. don't waste your time on anything else
/thread

[South]

I agree, get a GQ TD42t, they are slow and gutless and no fucks given if you smash them up... exactly what you need offroad!

[HotAe92]

80's and GQ's are great vehicles, don't get me wrong, but they are getting long in the tooth with most nearing 20 years old.

For a daily tourer, I'd be looking at something that will give you best bang for buck.

While I might be blowing my own trumpet, I don't think you can go wrong with a NM-NP DID Auto Pajero for that budget. There are some good examples on the east coast for very little coin. Nice to drive around the city (mrs won't find it a hassle to drive and park), comfortable but capable, proven reliability, good power and torque but also good on the juice.

[Uber XR]

My old man just picked up an 02 GXL prado. 140kms for 12.5k

Immaculate inside and pretty straight outside.

A mate of mine had one and we road tested the shit out of that thing off road and it never broke.

Toyota strength and reliability can not be matched.

Plus the Prado is pretty pokey on the street too. sound alright with a decent exhaust on them

[Intercpt]

+1 Prado.
Used to work for a hire mob that did mine spec 4wds.
These things never broke down and were the most requested/trashed vehicle in the fleet.

Toyota is quality, working at the hire mob changed my opinion on Nissan 4wds!
Navara and Patrols were constantly breaking, though were base model lemons.
Navara especially were terrible, one was off the road for 3 months waiting on parts!
Only issue with Toyotas were hilux clutches constantly dying. Mainly due to caining.

[Yakky Bear]

ones with aftermarket kits are fine as long as they have good service history, stay away from it though if they have been intercooled (aftermarket) as the temp difference between the top and the bottom of the piston is enough to crack them. More common in 100 series aftermarket kits, but still can happen with 80's.

Auto's are fine but can have issue with a few kays on them. wholesale automatics over east is the place to go if you have dramas.

sahara's are quite desirable as majority ha factory diff locks and factory turbo.

all in all they are a pretty good allround car.

[South]

... stay away from it though if they have been intercooled (aftermarket) as the temp difference between the top and the bottom of the piston is enough to crack them...

put the pipe down!
Intercooler lowers intake temp, reduces EGT and improves performance...
All 80s with an intercooler are aftermarket by the way.

[Yakky Bear]

put the pipe down!
Intercooler lowers intake temp, reduces EGT and improves performance...
All 80s with an intercooler are aftermarket by the way.

i know all 80's with an intercooler is an aftermarket thing, but i stated that for those who didn't know.

I'm sorry, what would i know. My dad was only the best in the business. Dont believe me call any old school diesel fuelie's at a1's, uniteds, or FFI where he used to work.

I'm pretty Sure mike hulme's (works at ffi) 100 series suffered a cracked piston because of intercooling.

[Chivalry]

If 7 seats is a must, you shouldn't rule out D1 or D2 Discoveries either. They can be considerably cheaper than Landcruisers and have a few basic mods already done also. On Gumtree there is even a late model D2 for $18k with heaps of mods done. There are a few things to look out for with TD5s but as far as standard kit goes, Discoveries aren't too bad.


Examples - http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Land-Rover-Discovery-1999/SSE-AD-2566427/?Cr=1&sdmvc=1
http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Land-Rover-Discovery-2000/AGC-AD-13921030/?Cr=11&sdmvc=1

[South]

i know all 80's with an intercooler is an aftermarket thing, but i stated that for those who didn't know.

I'm sorry, what would i know. My dad was only the best in the business. Dont believe me call any old school diesel fuelie's at a1's, uniteds, or FFI where he used to work.

I'm pretty Sure mike hulme's (works at ffi) 100 series suffered a cracked piston because of intercooling.

Mike rebuilt my IP... which actually didn't need a rebuild by the way, got a bit shafted there.

What engine did he crack a piston on though? All 100 series TD have intercoolers... probably because he fiddled with the tune incorrectly.

The 100 series stock run 700-750 degC EGT pre-turbo.
My 80 runs 600 degC EGT post-turbo which is 750+ pre-turbo... it is tuned a bit too rich at the minute so I need to add boost to cool it down.

See what I mean, if you add boost, and cool the intake temps you cool the exhaust... the problem is when you play with the pump and don't know what you are doing, changing the timing and you increase/decrease cylinder pressures which will have more of a bearing on pistons...

Ask your Dad about it a bit more.

[Marti]

So the moral of the story is, buy a gq/gu with a silver top non turbo 4.2 diesel. Add turbo with top mount,,14 psi and tweek the pump(any decent fuel injection place with a dyno can do this).. Will go for a long time.

Speaking from experience im building a td42 motor now with a turbo kit. I will spend less than 3k. Well worth it for an brand new motor that will last if cared for

[Yakky Bear]

Mike rebuilt my IP... which actually didn't need a rebuild by the way, got a bit shafted there.

What engine did he crack a piston on though? All 100 series TD have intercoolers... probably because he fiddled with the tune incorrectly.

The 100 series stock run 700-750 degC EGT pre-turbo.
My 80 runs 600 degC EGT post-turbo which is 750+ pre-turbo... it is tuned a bit too rich at the minute so I need to add boost to cool it down.

See what I mean, if you add boost, and cool the intake temps you cool the exhaust... the problem is when you play with the pump and don't know what you are doing, changing the timing and you increase/decrease cylinder pressures which will have more of a bearing on pistons...

Ask your Dad about it a bit more.

pretty sure mikes was aftermarket iirc

I am certainly no diesel guru but thats what my old boy explained to me. If you speak to them often mention dads name Stewart meldrum, He used to be the top man in the fuel room. How long ago was it done?

unfortunatly i cant ask as he passed away few years back.

[suburban]

fuck ya patrols - the TD42 is fuck all.

Ive had one - first world experience. TD42t coil cab ST uterus. Love to get warm. You will love it too when your aircond stops working due to the temp being up (safety feature...)

If far from a toyota fanboy, think the hilux is an overpriced average machine (had a 2012 one for work...) but for the time these motors were around, the 1HD-FE is king. Period

Im with HotAe92 - get a 2005+ paj diesel