How do you go about making big decisions?

[Yakky Bear]

So i have a big life changing decision to make, Which lead me to the question "i wonder how others think through it"

So how do you guys do it.

Do you consult parents/elders?
friends?
Or do you just go fuck it and take the risk.

Those of you that know me well enough will know its a huge passion/obsession of mine, there is nothing better than flying.

My risk is this... I am so close to saying yes to obtaining my commercial helicopter pilots licence.
Now the risk is attaining a job with low hours (even part time) or maybe not findsing anything at all
The layout is about 75k to obtain commercial licence. Possibly losing a big chunk of a house deposit, investment money.

My thought is simply if it works in my favour then itll be the best decision i have made, if it doesnt im down 75k have a licence but no job to do with flying. at the worst i guess ill still be able to go for a fly or take mates up once in a while or slowly build up my hours hoping one day ill find a job and still have somewhat of a smaller deposit for an investment.

decisions.....

[skidkid]

Stop being a pussy - do it.

[SSICK]

It's only money.

do it.

[crabman]

Nike knows best.

Think about how much you've blown on cars in the last 10 years. In ten years time you will think alot more of obtaining pilots licence regardless of work outcome.

[stumps.]

I way up the odds of how upset I would be if I didn't do it and compare that to how upset I would be if I did do it and failed.

Do it

[180SXTCY]

Jase I've been in the exact situation you're in now. Before doing engineering I studied aviation, got my PPL and did a lot of the theory upto an ATPL standard. The thing that stopped me going any further was the money as well. From my PPL to the end of my commercial was about another 70 odd k with an additional amount on top for an ATPL.

I have a few friends that took the risk, for some its paid off, one is a first officer with virgin atm, the other flies to the mines and back and the other two are just instructors at the royal aeroclub waiting for their chance like the million other pilots down at Jandakot.

Kind of wish I took the risk as well to be honest thought, its something ill definitely regret later in life I'm sure.

[siladee]

you will forever be able to say- your argument is invalid I'm a helicopter pilot.
do it

[Buckets]

I'm going to take a big steaming dump on your dream here Jason...

I too considered pursuing a career as a pilot (fixed wing) as it was my dream job as well however lets look at the raw facts at hand.

Aviation is a pingpingpingping of an industry, CASA is a pingpingpingping of a regulatory body and everything is expensive. Unless you are one of the lucky 1% who wind up landing a plum job the pay and conditions are rubbish and the investment to achieve and maintain the qualifications, endorsements, medicals, documentation and so forth is huge and the returns are fuck all compared with the outlay.

What sealed it for me was the fact that my licence and therefore my ability to earn is hedged against my medicals, I've got a few dramas health wise and have since I was a kid and some that I've added along the way + wear & tear. I know you for instance like me have some vision problems. You may be able to pass a Class 1 medical now like I can but what about later on in life (this is your career after all). What happens if all of a sudden you can't pass a medical, you're grounded and pretty much out of a job.

If I was in your shoes I'd basically do what I did again and go get a private license, a few endorsements and use your the remaining money for investments or other shit. You'll still be able to fly, it's not as expensive to obtain or maintain and more importantly the money you've invested will still (in all probability) be there so if you get your PPL and do decide that going the next step is an absolute must do the cash to do it is there. By all means tell the flying school you intend to obtain a CPL (means you don't pay GST on the training or A/C hire as it's "GST exempt training") but take it one step at a time.

TL;DR version = No invest the money & get a PPL 1st.

[YOUR MATE]

Let's face it, you're not doing anything else. Anyone that knows you knows why, and having not been in your situation it's easy to commentate on why that is without actually living it. But if this is something that you want, and you have the means, then do it. Otherwise you're going to look back in a few years and realise you pissed away the funds to try and still haven't given it a shot.

House deposit isn't of use it if there's no income to pay the rest off, anyway. xox

[SircatmaN]

I just do whatever I want whenever I want. Has worked for me so far.

[Yakky Bear]

yeah i was thinking of sticking to ppl for now jon and i guess you could slowly build hours that way aswell. certainly food for thought, appreciate it thought, honestly hadnt thought of things like vision deteriorating down the tracvk etc...

[180SXTCY]

oh yeah and like Jon said, the pay and conditions of your first jobs will be shit. If I recall correctly, the mate who fly's for virgin atm started off with SkyWest at around 28 -30k a year. Considering it cost him around 100k for his license etc. its pretty harsh but as your hours go up so does the pay and fast.

[Buckets]

We've spoken about this, we both love flying but at the end of the day realities are sadly that. It's worth remembering that once you've got a PPL you can cost share with passengers (but can't charge a fee to fly) meaning you can subsidize the cost of flying your mates around and it's amazing how quickly the hours tick up even when you're just a weekend warrior.

Once you get a PPL I expect a ride pingpingpingping !

[YOUR MATE]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_j7_49f6o7mY/TNp-nGxVouI/AAAAAAAAAhk/QgIjNsYMEKA/s1600/blind+darts.jpg

[Anaru]

You only have one shot at life, better make it count . . . . . .

[Yakky Bear]

oh so you can carry mates with a ppl jon? i was under the impression you couldnt, i think id be leaning towards that if thats the case. cheaper, can still get hours up. If can carry passengers then that will also help with flying costs etc... hahaha you can have shotgun ans as you say if the need arises i can get my cpl at a later date, by then who know i might have a decent amount of piston hours.

[ReaperSS]

I had similer thing back in the day, not on that scale but ... fork out for a killa camera . I made the desision and now i have never looked back. I now am well known in the media scene, sell alot of my images ( great cashies on the weekends) and most of all given people lasting memorys of places they love, memorys of people i have photographed who have since passed on etc.

Its a gamble but its your passion! You never know if you dont try! Hey im willing to pay to get some arial shots!!!

[Alt_F4]

When you're an old pingpingpingping later on in life, are you going to look back and massively regret a decision not to follow this (or any other) dream through?

Answer this and you'll know what to do.

[Skitzo]

My decision to go to Canada was a "Fuck it" decision. Do it, then move up North. Mate of mine got his pilots licence. Moved to Broome for a couple years. Progressed through a few companies, and is now back down in Perth Flying for Skippers. Has 1 or 2 scheduled flights a week. Rest of the time he is on standby, but gets paid for full working week.

[Janey Waney Toot Toot]

stopped reading half way through.... DO IT

[Yakky Bear]

I think if i look back and think, i could have tried harder than that id be unhappy with myself.

[Macca]

When i left school back in 1932 i had my rppl. Looked at going commercial but there were no spare P-26s to learn in...........

Seriously i looked into it i also looked into it whilst in wapol and even with wapol subsidising it i was still going to be paying 50k. Fixed wing pilot for wapol back then got paid 60k......... Passed big time

[180SXTCY]

Yeah a PPL lets you carry passengers you just cannot earn an income from flying with a PPL. Also depending if your PPL is restricted or not determines where you're allowed to fly.

[DrKarl]

I wish i was passionate about something i could do for work. If you think you'll regret it then go for it.

Be careful that your passion doesn't become work also though. Much like mechanics liking cars until they work on them for a couple of years and then curse them.

Annnnndddd... 18< just do it. Maybe seek opinions from people who have done it. Its your life, pave your own path.

/2c

[Yakky Bear]

My decision to go to Canada was a "Fuck it" decision. Do it, then move up North. Mate of mine got his pilots licence. Moved to Broome for a couple years. Progressed through a few companies, and is now back down in Perth Flying for Skippers. Has 1 or 2 scheduled flights a week. Rest of the time he is on standby, but gets paid for full working week.

yeah thats it, i mean i dont have anything holding me back here ill go wherever the work would be.

[180SXTCY]

Jase have you done a trial flight with heliwest or anything like that? If not spend what ever it is and go up for an hour at the controls and have a fly around. you'll know if its for you or not straight away after that.

[Yakky Bear]

yeah i have bro did it with rotorvation, i was grinning ear to ear for over an hour afterwards. I know i could pick it up relatively quick.

[Skitzo]

There's heaps of exams and shit involved as well.

[EVLO]

Yeah a PPL lets you carry passengers you just cannot earn an income from flying with a PPL. Also depending if your PPL is restricted or not determines where you're allowed to fly.

'declared' income right? ;)

[mys1]

Do it - However do it the smart way and be willing to sacrifice alot to gain anything.

Good mate of mine did his hours in perth and got his CPL fixed - then got in his camry shitter and drove north taking flying work where he could for next to no money gaining experience in singles, then twins etc etc

After a few years of networking and using his head he's now flying for a Qantas subsidery and loving it - however at no point was it easy! and he still lives up north. Thats the price you pay to follow your dreams I guess!

Think it all out - as long as theres a chance and you have the will then anything is possible.

[Yakky Bear]

yeah thats it tyson, as you know i dont have any family here or anythingf holding me back, id fly over on the east coast if it meant a job. but yeah considering my ppl now and maybe in a few years once i have enough hours up to do the extra and obtain a commercial.

[Risk10k]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/2e45535e0e318bd217db408a662bac5e/tumblr_msikydxKSt1qb5gkjo1_500.gif

You+Heli+Jadakot
....
Profit?

[Turbo2.6L]

Seriously Jase, hold onto that cash for a house down the track.
Scoring a job as a pilot in an industry so competitive won't happen for you unfortunately (unless stupidly lucky) due to having a fairly scattered work history. Employers can be choosey as fuck because there's 3000 applicants & 1 position, look at training yourself in something that's a lock...

[YOUR MATE]

Seriously Jase, hold onto that cash for a house down the track.
Scoring a job as a pilot in an industry so competitive won't happen for you unfortunately (unless stupidly lucky) due to having a fairly scattered work history. Employers can be choosey as fuck because there's 3000 applicants & 1 position, look at training yourself in something that's a lock...

I bet you think Santa isn't real.

[evoeata]

Think it all out - as long as theres a chance and you have the will then anything is possible.

Go for it mate. You will regret it for the rest of your life if you don't give it a crack

[Brockas]

Spend your money on a depreciating asset and enjoy life.

#yolo

[shifted]

I look at it from a point later down in track. Would you regret not doing it if in 5 years time you look back at your choice today? If you think you'd be saying "I wish I did..." at that point then you pretty much know the answer.

End of the day, the heart knows what it wants - the head complicates it with reasoning. Follow what you love doing and you'll probably succeed regardless of limitations. Passion is a much stronger drive than logic/reasoning.

Can't take all your houses and cars and assets to the grave, I would rather have lived knowing I did everything I wanted within reason than miss out thinking "I'll do it later."

[Stef]

i was in a Similar boat as you when I decided to pack my gear and move to Sydney just over 3 years ago.. Took everything into consideration (family, friends, work etc) took me a good couple of months.. Looking back now, best decision I ever made. No regrets whatsoever.. If I didn't do it I would have regretted it..

One phrase which comes to mind at the moment is:

If it is to be it is up to me.

If its what you want to do, And you are willing to go through anybody who is in your way telling you otherwise, then go hard mate. I hope it works out for you! If you put in 100% and it doesn't work out, at least you can say that you put your all into it..

[Rich]

some good advice there from Buckets. I had always wanted to become a pilot, started flying at 16 and loved it. Did a Diploma of Aviation after year 12 (ATPL level Theory) sat all the exams etc. ready to make the big jump into a shit load of debt and start flying training in 2001. About that time Ansett went bust, a couple of planes flew into some well known buildings and a few other things took place that meant the industry was going to be shit for a while trying to get a job as a pilot with very few hours. Had to make a tough decision to ditch the dream and pursue something else. Ended up getting into Air Traffic Control. Still get the enjoyment of working with aircraft but I often wonder what would have happened if I stuck it out as a pilot. Recently Ive been thinking about getting back into flying but probably only for fun.

So if you want it enough go for it otherwise you will regret it later. But its not something I would be paying a lump sum for upfront. Take it step by step. You may enjoy it at PPL level taking mates for rides, but when you get to the CPL stage you may find it shits you to tears and its not worth doing. Some smart investments with that sort of cash will go a long way to fund it as a hobby if you dont end up pursuing it to the point that you can make a living off it ;)

[Philbo]

Go to NZ do CPL there....save $$ from anything in Aus then do some more training flights over there get hours up etc etc stay in NZ work there for a 6 mths still be ahead of doing it anywhere here.

[schnoods]

Do it.

At least at the end of the day, when all is said and done, you had a go and took it as far as it could take you.


Indecision is the biggest cause of regret.

[S85FI]

I do a mind map. I write a list of pro and cons and weigh them out.
Put a value on each pro and con. Rate them 1 - 10. Once your written down all the good points and bad points see where the scales tip.
Do on with emotion and one with out. See where the scales tip. You will know what to do at that point....

[TheChad]

In answer to the original question:


How do you go about making big decisions

I have a bat to clear my head, if it still seems like a good idea I usually proceed to the next stage.













The next stage is further masturbation.



In all seriousness, I clear my head, weigh up all the options, and ask those closest to me. Unfortunately in this instance it seems that your mates are pretty divided on the matter. Maybe keep working and leave it a little if you're unsure, if you still want it in a year then I guess you know what you want.

[JME]

TLDR

Go with your heart. Nothing wrong with chasing your dream just as long as you're good at it!

[R3N]

Do
It

Imagine all the flange you would get

[Yakky Bear]

hahahahaha kuek!

Bitch "so what do you do for work"
me: " i fly helicopters"
bitch: "heres my panties"

i fucking wish! haha

[Damo 69]

do it

[luke20t]

Might be a shit idea but would joining the army / airforce be an idea because they would pay for it?

[urabus]

Jas,

I had an offer to go caddying golf in the US as a teenager for a rather well known Australian pro. Decided to chase flange here instead. Worst decision ever.

My vote is do it. If you don't you will always wonder what would of happened if you had of done it.

You will get older and it will just get harder. you will have a mortgage, missus etc and it will all be too hard to move, find the money etc. JUST DO IT!

Brendon

[joshg123]

Talk to Rick, Jase.

He has his commercial Choppers licence, he went through some tough times to be able to get it. Its great from a enjoyment level but career options are not that flash straight after. I know the reasons why you want to do it, maybe he can give you some first hand experience and info of how he went about it. He did a lot of his part time while being a qualy electrician - His has cost him alot more than 75k, as yes that gives you your licence, but then you need instrument, yoloweather and hours and hours of experience on top. Shoot him a PM on facebook, he is a wealth of info for this.

[Poktrokt]

Do PPL! Although its half the reward, it's also half the risk! You can then later consider commercial :)

I make decisions by brain storming. As you have just discovered it's not always black and white (go for it or don't go for it) there is sometimes other options which can also meet the same objective.
What is it that you want and why? Then research the best options to achieve that!
If all you want is to fly then maybe stick with PPL and buy a house but if you want a career in flying commercially for the next 40 years then do that!
Also list out possible risks associated with your options such as your eye sight deteriorating over time, not being able to recover the investment in training.

This is a big decision and should be researched extensively so that way you will be 100% confident in your choice :) otherwise no matter what you choose, you will have some sort of regret!

[INSINR8R]

What if you get licence, buy helicopter, live in it?

Two birds, one stone.

[huggy_b]

End of the day, its a decision only you can make. Weigh up the pros and cons, then back your own judgement. I will say that you generally regret decisions you don't make more often than ones you do.........


BUT, if you do go ahead with it - please buy a Bell 222 and then open a showcase thread. Then you should re-spray it metallic grey on top and white underneath - unfathomable amounts of win!

[R3N]

This is all you need

http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1243122167-00.jpg

[mys1]

End of the day, its a decision only you can make. Weigh up the pros and cons, then back your own judgement. I will say that you generally regret decisions you don't make more often than ones you do.........


BUT, if you do go ahead with it - please buy a Bell 222 and then open a showcase thread. Then you should re-spray it metallic grey on top and white underneath - unfathomable amounts of win!

This looks reasonably bombed!

http://www.airport-data.com/images/aircraft/small/000/200/200655.jpg

[huggy_b]

I was thinking more like this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/wombat01/airwolf001_zps7cb4678e.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/wombat01/media/airwolf001_zps7cb4678e.jpg.html)

[crabman]

I had no idea that CPL was so expensive for fixed wing.. I was always going to look at getting RA licence and build hours up on foxbat a22's flying coffins at york then look at diving straight into a school to do CPL on twins (overseas if the price is worth the move). Only research I had done was via the interwebs though as money was holding me back from diving in and actually doing anything at the moment. Reason for me to go down the LSA path was that if shit hit the fan employment/economy/accidental impregnation of the opposite sex wise, I have a licence which still lets me fly a plane with one friend crosscountry with right the endorsements. And if I settled with that and felt moving on was going to ruin the passion, aircraft are a shit load cheaper to buy and maintain. PPL really is the best of both worlds, as long as it doesn't set you back an extra 20-30k by going the long winded way.

Is there a chopper equivalent of RA for those little boxer powered kit spec choppers?

[-Luke-]

Where do you see yourself in 5yrs if you decide not to pursue this?

[SimonR32]

Have you thought about the military? Last time I checked pilot cut off in the Air Force was 27 and the Army and Navy were a bit older. I would imagine you would need to make significant changes in your life to be recruited but if it's your dream you will have to work for it.

Realistically in Australia the defence force is he most sensible way to get into the aviation industry and you will probably enjoy it more than being a glorified bus driver in civil aviation.

Otherwise I would keep the flying to a hobby and get a career in another industry.

[crabman]

Chances of getting into defense force to do it must be pretty slim at older ages, you are no longer a blank canvas that doesn't think for themselves and can be moulded as the defence force seems fit.

[SimonR32]

Chances of getting into defense force to do it must be pretty slim at older ages, you are no longer a blank canvas that doesn't think for themselves and can be moulded as the defence force seems fit.

No doubt... I can't remember how old Jase is. There is also return of service obligations to think about.

[Miggy]

75k on black, house and licence!

Seriously though many of us have spent more than that on cars that we sold for fuck all over the years, do it!

[Yakky Bear]

im 28 simon, so just out of contention, haha ahh migghy ive looked back already and quickly added up over 100k on cars and all they do is keepo breaking hahaha. Some very worth posts and lots of food for thought. As most have said PPL sounds like a better option at this point in time.

[Faz]

Do it, then you will be one of few people legitimately able to do "Heli's"

[crabman]

http://www.lightsportaircraftpilot.com/xenon_gyro_copter/images/xenon/IMG_0058.JPG

Some flash looking gyro's out there these days

[DRKWRX]

lol that looks like the biggest death trap.

[-Luke-]

Nah Winnebago's are pretty good these days, they have ABS, ESP, Airbags etc

[Risk10k]

Real thoughts?

Do it.

I fucking hate myself, my job, my lifestyle, what I've become, my future aspirations.


I always wanted to involved in music production/engineering or graphic design - I chose a safe option, in which I still struggle to make ends meet. I still clear a better wage than most, but I'm not fucking happy. I've had to fucking take anti-depressants to get through at points, and that's simply because I fucking hate everything. I stopped getting paid at 5:30 and I've finished work at 7pm just so I can keep one boss happy, and now it seems my entire life has been devoted to pleasing other people - even if it means I'm sacrificing my time, relationships, health, to do so.

What I'd do for a second chance is completely unthinkable.



Get cape, wear cape, fly.

[YOUR MATE]

WHERE IS MY FUCKING LIKE BUTTON!

[masTers]

So your in audit too then?

[Yakky Bear]

no shit! needs more like button. i know that feel clifford! ive always taken the safe optiuon and its the same bro, always doing things for others exactly like you explained.

i keep coming to the conclusion that PPL would be my best route. maybe i should take a walk back to heli west....

[SircatmaN]

Since I already told you on Facebook to do it I presume you've gone and done it because you know, I told you to. Hence I will post about other stuff.

For some reason even though I have read the thread title everytime I have skimmed over the off topic forum for the last few days, for some reason tonight I read it as "How do you go about being delicious".

So... how do you go about being delicious?

[DRKWRX]

Real thoughts?

Do it.

I fucking hate myself, my job, my lifestyle, what I've become, my future aspirations.


I always wanted to involved in music production/engineering or graphic design - I chose a safe option, in which I still struggle to make ends meet. I still clear a better wage than most, but I'm not fucking happy. I've had to fucking take anti-depressants to get through at points, and that's simply because I fucking hate everything. I stopped getting paid at 5:30 and I've finished work at 7pm just so I can keep one boss happy, and now it seems my entire life has been devoted to pleasing other people - even if it means I'm sacrificing my time, relationships, health, to do so.

What I'd do for a second chance is completely unthinkable.



Get cape, wear cape, fly.


Never to late to change, just have to do it even though it can be harder than it sounds sometimes, I'd rather be a photographer but prefer the money I make ATM, in regards to op just do it 70k isn't too much!

[magic1]

Jason,

Find a job that you're good at. Earn enough money to keep flying as a hobby.

you dont have the eye sight to be a commercial pilot to claw back your 'investment' in learning to fly

[Skitzo]

Not heard of Glasses or Contact lenses? They wouldn't solve the problem? Hell. If he is that fucking keen, go get some lazer in the eye. Stumbled across this with regards to eyesight. See my third post in a row for CASA vision Handbook.

[Skitzo]

Info about refractive surgery for pilots http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101064

[Skitzo]

Finally found CASA handbook for vision. http://www.oaansw.com.au/visionstds/CASA_Handbook_Vision_Section.pdf

[Torquen]

I stopped getting paid at 5:30 and I've finished work at 7pm just so I can keep one boss happy.

Yep, you and everyone else. It's one of the joys of working a salary based job.

[crabman]

You guys like your job too much. I walk at 8 hours on the dot.

[Yakky Bear]

Regarding myopia or short sightedness.......

CASA has not placed restrictions on applicants who require high levels of correction in
order to meet the required visual standards. CASA considers that ability to meet the
standard is all that is required, regardless of the power of corrective lenses necessary to
achieve this outcome.

[Torquen]

You guys like your job too much. I walk at 8 hours on the dot.

For the most part, my job's pretty fucking sweet. To get the opportunity to work in places like this;

http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh406/jshakersgmailcom/CIsland_zpsc275c02b.png

I can deal with a few hours unpaid overtime here and there.

[[FFOUR]]

I chose a safe option, in which I still struggle to make ends meet.

I still clear a better wage than most, but I'm not fucking happy.

If you struggle to make ends meet you are not making a better wage than most - or you are living way outside your means!

[Skitzo]

I think he meant a better wage than most in his industry.

[waxdass]

For the most part, my job's pretty fucking sweet. To get the opportunity to work in places like this;

http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh406/jshakersgmailcom/CIsland_zpsc275c02b.png

I can deal with a few hours unpaid overtime here and there.

nice view, where's this?

Are you onboard a vessel for o&g purposes?

[[FFOUR]]

I think he meant a better wage than most in his industry.

If so...carry on!

[Torquen]

nice view, where's this?

Are you onboard a vessel for o&g purposes?

Place is called Camp Island, about 45 km north and 3 nm of the coast of Bowen, QLD (http://www.campislandresort.com/). I'm a marine bio/enviro so get a few sweet jobs both nationally and internationally, mostly contracts with O&G or M&M operators, but occasionally work government tenders too. This is up there with the best of them though (location wise), the job's a dredge plume monitoring scope for the Abbot Point Coal Loading Facility... fishing after work's not too shabby either :D

[huggy_b]

LOL, try working / travelling a 21 hour day for 12 hours pay - an extra 2 hours is a doddle!

family business - fuck yeah!

[crabman]

For the most part, my job's pretty fucking sweet. To get the opportunity to work in places like this;


I can deal with a few hours unpaid overtime here and there.

Not me, hate this job, I used to ride to work thinking about how good it would be to be in an accident so I couldn't make it for a week. Ever since I have packed up my desk so I don't have to come back in if I decide not to one day it has been a bit more bearable. I am more than likely a no-show after singa's gp as I dont want to ruin a good weekend by following it up with this shit hole lol.

[Torquen]

Not me, hate this job, I used to ride to work thinking about how good it would be to be in an accident so I couldn't make it for a week. Ever since I have packed up my desk so I don't have to come back in if I decide not to one day it has been a bit more bearable. I am more than likely a no-show after singa's gp as I dont want to ruin a good weekend by following it up with this shit hole lol.

Fuck dude, what do you do for a crust?

[skidkid]

Place is called Camp Island, about 45 km north and 3 nm of the coast of Bowen, QLD (http://www.campislandresort.com/). I'm a marine bio/enviro so get a few sweet jobs both nationally and internationally, mostly contracts with O&G or M&M operators, but occasionally work government tenders too. This is up there with the best of them though (location wise), the job's a dredge plume monitoring scope for the Abbot Point Coal Loading Facility... fishing after work's not too shabby either :D

Fek! Have any graduate jobs available?

[crabman]

Fuck dude, what do you do for a crust?

Service pricing estimation for a fantastic dealer of yellow earthmoving equipment.

[-Luke-]

^been there done that, almost hung myself to get out of it.

[Torquen]

Service pricing estimation for a fantastic dealer of yellow earthmoving equipment.

That doesn't sound too bad.


Fek! Have any graduate jobs available?

PM Sent.

[crabman]

^been there done that, almost hung myself to get out of it.

I walk before Christmas. Finally got myself into the mindset of taking a massive paycut to study so I can move elsewhere in this assfuck company, idea got shut down by my manager even though I said if I can't study I am not here come Christmas as there is no other way of moving around in this place. No study, no christmas here. Can't believe they bothered to ask me last week if I wanted to do 10 hour days for a period of time to help out with the backlog of work, I reminded him of the whole 'didn't help me out no way am I helping you out'. They have been advertising for additional positions here for over 9 months now, i think they have had 10 people tops apply. One a radio DJ for a community station over east, the rest indians from coles/woolies lol. This company is going down the toilet fast.

[Yakky Bear]

Well I'm going to go private, at Heliwest noe to organise the beginning of it all.

[mr_mike]

Service pricing estimation for a fantastic dealer of yellow earthmoving equipment.

so what is it u actually do? contact customers and tell then how much it will be to service/repair machinery?