Blank fire guns ( law advice needed)

[ReaperSS]

Hi guys, many years back i bought a glock 17 blank fire gun from wellington surplace.
Like this....
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I since sold it (for some stupid reason)

Now i cant find them anywhere. I just rang Wellington and had a chat to the boss. He was saying that yes you can but and own them but he doesnt want the police coming in the store hounding him who he is selling to etc.

My question is.... Is it legal as he says to own / buy?
All i can find out is its illegal to import or own yet this guy can get them in and i bought one then and gave my drivers licence. Why havnt the police come to collect it. Makes me think you can have them then

Sme nice ones here... http://www.replica-blankguns.com/blank-guns/9mm-blanks/


Anyone here want to sell me theres or a freinds hahaha

[Damo 69]

if you owned that, it would magically drop a real bullet into the chamber and kill someone

[RGVFAST]

I would have thought a replica gun that also replicates the sound of firing would be 100% illegal to own unless you were in the special effects or film type industry.

[ReaperSS]

if you owned that, it would magically drop a real bullet into the chamber and kill someone

Funny you should say that because i was told people were putting ball bearings in the barrel and punching holes through inch thick jarrah.
Those twats stuffed it for all that want them now

[crabman]

A friend also has one of there, 6 shooter with welded up barrel and holds 6 primer caps.

I have been wanting one for ages, not allowed to shoot home invaders with real fire arms, might as well make them think they are going to die if you had to confront one lol.

I think they fall under a firearms licence category these days. Surely that should be easy to obtain.

[Thychiz]

There are strict laws against the sale of rubber training weapons in Australia, Bright -fucking- red, rubber training pistols. Simply because apart from the colour, and texture, they look like the real thing.
Something tells me that a working replica will be in the same boat, if not harsher. Not surprised the cops didn't chase you down re: it though, probably scared of instantaneously combusting the moment the knock on your door.

[mischief1]

ninja32 can't always wait for a natural disaster, has to create some fun in the mean time...

[ReaperSS]

I would have thought a replica gun that also replicates the sound of firing would be 100% illegal to won unless you were in the special effects or film type industry.

I went through thick and thin to buy a renderd AK47 in from cali USA. There was next to no chance. I had to be a theatrical person and even if i got permission it had to be destroyed or exported strait after film was made. They even wanted to know when the film was being made etc WTF.
So strict just for a gun that wont fire. Whats the difference to buying one of these tomorrow...
http://www.wellingtonsurplus.com.au/showProduct/militaria/modern-replicas/RR1125/Denix-Fusil-STG44-Assault-Rifle-Model-1125

or

http://www.wellingtonsurplus.com.au/showProduct/militaria/modern-replicas/RR1086/Denix-AK-47-Assault-Rifle-Model-1086

Both will never fire again. I can get a real AK totally rendered to aussie specs for $200 in USA

[ReaperSS]

ninja32 can't always wait for a natural disaster, has to create some fun in the mean time...

nah things have been quiet since i seen the 3 guys die in that car and weekend after see the guy die at Rotto.

I must admit while driving through the city this morning, everything was still and i had a feeling something dramatic was going to happen soon.
Didnt really want to say it incase i get the blame lol

[Drift_R32]

Shouldn't have sold it..
Havnt heard of any been for sale since they were been sold at Wellington street surplus

The 9mm blanks are hard to get hold of though.

[Dagon]

http://www.wellingtonsurplus.com.au/showProduct/militaria/modern-replicas/RR1125/Denix-Fusil-STG44-Assault-Rifle-Model-1125
or
http://www.wellingtonsurplus.com.au/showProduct/militaria/modern-replicas/RR1086/Denix-AK-47-Assault-Rifle-Model-1086
How the crap can they:
(a) sell that shit online within australia and not get in some sort of trouble;
(b) not require a licence to sell to WA (as says in their desc)

[crabman]

http://www.wellingtonsurplus.com.au/showProduct/militaria/modern-replicas/RP1062/Denix-.357-Revolver-Python-%96-2-inch-%96-Model-1062-N

Fuck, just want I wanted to convert to primer fire if the hammer and cylinder rotating mechanism still worked.. So these guys don't sell this stuff anymore as well? Will they order in?

[ReaperSS]

My mate bought the AK47, not to bad, real woork, metal etc but nothing like the read deal

[magic1]

when I looked at the firearms act and in speaking to police.

if the gun has a purpose then it can be legal to own.

Ie paint ball gun, making livestock

blank firing pistol for sporting event.

you would need a reason though to own one I believe.

[crabman]

Self Defense.... We can only dream lol

[ReaperSS]

This would be nice...
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[SLY346]

I always wanted one of those deactivated .303 SMLE's, maybe one with military history that might hold onto its value.. not sure how many are about these days, probably a lot of reproductions I'd imagine.

[ReaperSS]

Barrys firearms sell them... No licence needed. Around 500-600 bucks

[ReaperSS]

http://www.barrysfirearms.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=54&Itemid=1

[fourseven]

Any replica, non-working or working firearm is illegal to own without a licence or authority. The guns you buy from Wellington surplus are legal to buy, illegal to own.

[ReaperSS]

Bit like a bong back in the day. You can buy em yeah cant own one lol

[SLY346]

.. and now are sold under the guise of 'water pipes' for tobacco use lol
anyway cheers for that link, might have to pop down and have a chat to the owner

[EVLO]

what would the point of having one be exactly?

[Brett_J]

Can't be forward venting either.

[Damo 69]

i would love to own a genuine lee enfield MK4 for the history behind the firearm, either in firing or non firing condition

[mr_rotary]

i would love to own a genuine lee enfield MK4 for the history behind the firearm, either in firing or non firing conditionPlenty around on the gunsales website.

http://www.usedguns.com.au/

[ReaperSS]

what would the point of having one be exactly?

Purely for short films and photography ;)

[ReaperSS]

i would love to own a genuine lee enfield MK4 for the history behind the firearm, either in firing or non firing condition

I had a really good 1914 i bought off Barrys. Sold it to TIT meat (R.I.P) when i was really broke. Yet again wish i didnt sell that one either

[ReaperSS]

nah things have been quiet since i seen the 3 guys die in that car and weekend after see the guy die at Rotto.

I must admit while driving through the city this morning, everything was still and i had a feeling something dramatic was going to happen soon.
Didnt really want to say it incase i get the blame lol


See told ya something dramatic was going to happen today lol http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/18798337/customers-staff-held-in-bank-drama/

[SLY346]

i would love to own a genuine lee enfield MK4 for the history behind the firearm, either in firing or non firing condition

This. If I bought one it'd need to have matching numbers proving it was used by the ADF in some conflict. Could imagine even a non firing one might be worth a bit of coin one day!

[Riggs]

Original firearms that were used in WW1 WW2 etc fetch massive dollars these days many are around $5-$10K in decent condition.

[ReaperSS]

at barrys they are 500-600

[S85FI]

Original firearms that were used in WW1 WW2 etc fetch massive dollars these days many are around $5-$10K in decent condition.

Who in their right mind would own up to it? And anything more than a bolt action will fetch more than that..... Just quietly...

[JBAE]

why fuck with replicas? when the real thing is cheap? picked my 9mm glock and USP up for $500 each.... go do the process get proper stuff not bloody toys... ezpz :)

[SimonR32]

Original firearms that were used in WW1 WW2 etc fetch massive dollars these days many are around $5-$10K in decent condition.

What? Doubt it?!?

I have a Browning FN Model 1910 from my Great Grandfather in WW1 but I believe they are not worth much at all ($500ish) but I wouldn't sell regardless... Good enough to start WW1, good enough for me :)

[heavyduty1340]

Original firearms that were used in WW1 WW2 etc fetch massive dollars these days many are around $5-$10K in decent condition.

Fuck me your crack pipe is full of good gear!!

Ridgy didge sniper full wood 303 in orig cond all acc including oil bottle, pull through, quick load strips $1000 max - with scalps!!!

Can line one or two up at that price tomorrow!!

[JBAE]

What? Doubt it?!?

I have a Browning FN Model 1910 from my Great Grandfather in WW1 but I believe they are not worth much at all ($500ish) but I wouldn't sell regardless... Good enough to start WW1, good enough for me :)

PICs?

[evo5aurus]

Old man had a lee enfield from WW2, was my Granddads originally. Some fucker broke into our property and stole it a few years back.

[Marti]

Sorry to digress but if any of you guys get the shooter magazine. There are a few dealers over east who specialise in old school rifles. Just recently iv seen a few genuine mozen negants,lee enfield 303 and spring field 3006. Woth accessories such as scopes and bayonets. But as most said barry sells old rifles which have been de milled ans are listed as collectors items

[ReaperSS]

Fark^^^^ Hope you guys have the serial numbers etc. May turn up one day. Keep onto the cops as they are always finding these in raids and most likely destroy if no ones reminding them

[ReaperSS]

Wish i had what my pops used to use back in ww2 but having a 25 pounder artillery cannon at home wouldnt be alloweed hahaha

My pop on the right..
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/7109583127_f4fc16fc5c_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29857839@N03/7109583127/)
My pop WW2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29857839@N03/7109583127/) by Marc Russo (Australia) (http://www.flickr.com/people/29857839@N03/), on Flickr

[SimonR32]

PICs?

I'll try and get some of the weekend

[Riggs]

Fuck me your crack pipe is full of good gear!!

Ridgy didge sniper full wood 303 in orig cond all acc including oil bottle, pull through, quick load strips $1000 max - with scalps!!!

Can line one or two up at that price tomorrow!!

I'm not talking about pos 303's and bolt action rifles. I'm talking about the cool guns.

Browning MG's
Lewis
DP28
M60
M79
Bren
Hotchkiss
Grease Gun
MP MG's
Sten
Chauchat

Etc.

Many of these In original condition, with numbers that are traceable as proof of them seeing action in any particular battle have been bought and sold for many thousands of dollars. (Legally)

You can buy a brand new AK for $15k if you know where to look but I'm not talking about that shit.

[Buckets]

I want an AK, we'll talk !

[mr_rotary]

Those on that list are pricey not because of the theatres they fought in but becuase of the firearm acts in the US. Full auto's and machine guns are only available in a few states. Anything newer than the 80's cannot be sold.

[ReaperSS]

I shot 40 rounds through a Full auto AK47 once. Fun and games till i grabbed the barrel and burnt my hand

[Riggs]

Those on that list are pricey not because of the theatres they fought in but becuase of the firearm acts in the US. Full auto's and machine guns are only available in a few states. Anything newer than the 80's cannot be sold.

I'm talking locally. (they are deactivated)

[ReaperSS]

I remember around 4 years back Barrys had a AK47 deact. It was $2000 and only lasted a week. Crazy cash wore something you can buy for 200 pounds.. http://www.real-gun.com/ak47.html

[ReaperSS]

Big list here...
http://www.real-gun.com/deactivated.html

[ReaperSS]

Would love this ... http://www.real-gun.com/ar.html

[Riggs]

Problem is getting them in which is why they ones here fetch such big $

[ReaperSS]

Then if the police raid your place like what happed to a mate they will take it. They raided for a unrelated matter and found his.
Would cost more in lawers to get the gun back if ya lucky

[Riggs]

Can get licenses for them, but need pretty good reasons.

[ReaperSS]

yep other options is get a collectors licence. Still need a safe etc

Looking into getting my gun licence back very soon and like Blaa said go the whole hog and get a working real one. Need a shot gun for when i get my own place anyway

[-Luke-]

yep other options is get a collectors licence. Still need a safe etc
Need a shot gun for when i get my own place anyway


"Local man accidently fires shotgun into the air during photoshoot. Kills 342 people and 4 Puppies"

[Thychiz]

"Local member of illegal underground street race club accidently fires shotgun into the air during photoshoot. Kills 342 people and 4 Puppies"

Fixed

[mr_rotary]

I shot 40 rounds through a Full auto AK47 once. Fun and games till i grabbed the barrel and burnt my handYou should get yourself to a machine gun shoot in the US. I went to the one in Knob Creek (Kentucky) last year and had an absolute blast. So much to shoot at reasonable prices. Managed to get on the back of a "Ma Deuce" 50 cal BMG. Epic.

[Jase]

I also use to have a reasonable bank fire, but was running low on cash and sold it. I think maybe to one of your mates ninja?

Not to long back I had a look through Wellington surplus and they still had blank fire guns but they were all ghey top exit ones :(

The denix replicas they have done there are pretty crap now too, they've gone he'll budgo and half the moving parts no longer move.
I know of someone who makes really good replicas, ak's etc, not cheap but look the part. If I ed up with one ill get some pics. I can't recall if they can be cocked and 'shot' but.

Also as far as I am aware in QLD and WA its perfectly legal to have a replica gun?

[S85FI]

What? Doubt it?!?

I have a Browning FN Model 1910 from my Great Grandfather in WW1 but I believe they are not worth much at all ($500ish) but I wouldn't sell regardless... Good enough to start WW1, good enough for me :)

Archduke Franz Ferdinand...Poor bastard..... You could be holding onto a piece of history...

[S85FI]

I'm not talking about pos 303's and bolt action rifles. I'm talking about the cool guns.

Browning MG's .50 cal


Many of the others just aren't worth talking about, anyway In original condition, with numbers that are traceable as proof of them seeing action in any particular battle have been bought and sold for many thousands of dollars. (Legally)

You can buy a brand new AK for $15k if you know where to look but I'm not talking about that shit.

There.... list now fixed. :)


"Can get licenses for them, but need pretty good reasons".

PS... how on earth will one make an excuse as to how to get a .50 MG.... designed to punch through armoured vehicles and shoot planes out of the sky... and man pack carry ability - Show and tell at school for sure....

[SimonR32]

Archduke Franz Ferdinand...Poor bastard..... You could be holding onto a piece of history...

It's definitely not that gun haha.

Apparently they were a very common officers sidearm in WW1, my Great Grandfather was shot down by zee Germans and put in prisoner of war camp. I believe he picked it up from one of them when the war ended as the officers captured were treated fairly well compared to most.

[S85FI]

It's definitely not that gun haha.

Apparently they were a very common officers sidearm in WW1, my Great Grandfather was shot down by zee Germans and put in prisoner of war camp. I believe he picked it up from one of them when the war ended as the officers captured were treated fairly well compared to most.

Correct. Officers and anyone else that could be in a position of close quarter combat were issued them. i.e. Armoured crewman, air personnel, tunnels etc... or carbine version of the riffle.

[Riggs]

There.... list now fixed. :)


"Can get licenses for them, but need pretty good reasons".

PS... how on earth will one make an excuse as to how to get a .50 MG.... designed to punch through armoured vehicles and shoot planes out of the sky... and man pack carry ability - Show and tell at school for sure....

Like I said, they are original albeit deactivated.

There are a few collectors of military gear have some very interesting pieces.

[S85FI]

If that's the case that could end up being a great collection of awesome history.

[masTers]

http://m.gumtree.com.au/desert-eagle-rep/v?adId=1027226263#Eagles

[S85FI]

http://m.gumtree.com.au/desert-eagle-rep/v?adId=1027226263#Eagles
What ever it was it sold quick...

[DESAM8+PANIK]

Masters was it a 45 or 50?

[masTers]

Not sure didn't read the add properly, it just popped up while I was looking for something else. Brief skim said it was a full sized desert eagle replica. $150 no wonder its gone so quickly. Thought someone hear may of grabbed it.

[ReaperSS]

Got them on the shelf...
http://www.wellingtonsurplus.com.au/showProduct/militaria/modern-replicas/RP1123N/Denix-1982-Desert-Eagle-%96-Nickel-%96-Model-1123NQ

[masTers]

This one was black/dark if that makes a difference?

[JasonSS]

I know a mate of mine has a AK47 replica.. so are they illegal? He thinks they are and no longer wants it haha

[Jase]

To help ease his mind Ill take it ;)

[Marti]

Yes they are illegal. For collecting purposes the gun must be de milled which means barrel and breech welded shut. Also the firing pin may need to be removed. Also 357 mag and 44 mag desert eagles can be licenced in wa. They arnt the best gun. Only work well with full load factory rounds. Anything less and the slide doesn't want to work as its very heavy.

[Jase]

Can anyone post a link to law/s regarding replica and blank fires?

[Marti]

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Ourservices/PoliceLicensingServices/Firearms/Firearmslicences/tabid/1903/Default.aspx


collector or cat d would be what your looking at. Why not phone or email police fire arms and ask them

[Jase]

Yeah, last time I did they said replicas weren't considered firearms.

[Marti]

Get that in writing from police firearms and your safe