NBN Plans

[evoeata]

time has finally come to get broadband at my house after using the telstra mobile internet. getting fuck all signal and anywhere after 4pm i basically cant use the internet at home on it so going to go with NBN broadband.

for those that have NBN broadband, what service provider are you using? are you on the 12,25,50 or 100Mbps plans? are they regularly around the speeds that they say? as in being on a 50Mbps plan and always at that speed? i had a quick look on here http://www.whistleout.com.au/Broadband/National-Broadband-Network-NBN-100Mbps-Plans and there are heaps of smaller companies offering plans now. are they pretty reliable to go with? or would i be better off going with the bigger companies like iinet or optus. looking at going on either a 50Mbps or 100Mbps plan but i am only home every few weeks with working away so i will be smashing the downloads during that week. the majority of them say that you can BYO modem as opposed to getting on of theirs. for those that bought their own, what brand/model, and where did you get it from?


cheers

matt

[cplagz]

It's fibre so the speed quoted is the speed you get, it doesn't suffer from congestion like ADSL/Wireless.

I would go with someone bigger like iiNet. I believe YOUR MATE is with them and has great speeds and no issues. As for modems, dunno what they use/available so hard to recommend.

[_S9_]

It's fibre so the speed quoted is the speed you get, it doesn't suffer from congestion like ADSL/Wireless.

Do some reading on the GPON fibre technology used in the NBN. It can suffer from congestion - as it is a shared medium, and uses TDM. (Time division multiplexing. Laymans: so each customer gets a slice of time to transmit)


WDM-PON is the next gen and not yet ready - that uses Wave division multiplexing, so each customer can transmit simultaneously across different waves of light.

/CSB.

[huggy_b]

I'm on fibre and in the evenings it does slow down a bit, but its still quick. Maybe my tech nerd housemate can chime in?

If you have 100mb available, go for it.

[Buckets]

Maybe my tech nerd housemate can chime in?

He's too busy building our website (in between tea bagging your pillows & drinking your scotch) to comment.

[HANS YOLO]

Do some reading on the GPON fibre technology used in the NBN. It can suffer from congestion - as it is a shared medium, and uses TDM. (Time division multiplexing. Laymans: so each customer gets a slice of time to transmit)


WDM-PON is the next gen and not yet ready - that uses Wave division multiplexing, so each customer can transmit simultaneously across different waves of light.

/CSB.

http://www.tektel.com.au/TekTel%20Report%20-%20How%20Fast%20is%20the%20NBN.pdf

If all 32 subscribers were active, and the GPON capacity was shared equally between
them (both scenarios unlikely), then the per subscriber downstream data rate would be
around 77 Mbps. In practice, the GPON capacity would be shared unequally. Given the
2.488 Gbps downlink capacity, individual subscriber peak rates of either 100 Mbps or 1
Gbps are therefore achievable.


over my current 3mbps connection im keen to roll the dice on GPON :P

[fourseven]

You'll always have congestion, but nothing like we have on traditional ADSL connections. We don't know what the NBNCo switching network is like, and the ISP end is another factor so I'd suggest going with one of the big boys as their infrastructure is likely to be at the higher end. Telstra or iiNet is your best bet.


I'm on fibre and in the evenings it does slow down a bit, but its still quick. Maybe my tech nerd housemate can chime in?

If you have 100mb available, go for it.

I've noticed it slows down when you start buying parts for the Datsun. It can't handle the immense amount of professional son cash being thrown at eBay and forum classifieds.

[INSINR8R]

I have it with iiNet. During the day the speed is over 95mbps, at night it's down to about 91mbps. It's not noticeable though, I barely noticed the difference when my router was playing up and it dropped to 71mbps.

I have an ASUS RT AC66U router. It's very good, had to factory reset it when it played up and I've had it for about 3 or 4 months. Brendan has the same router with zero issues.

[YOUR MATE]

I'm with iiNet on the big daddy plan 100/40. You will not understand how much it changes your habits online until you get it. Speedtest has never come back below 95/35 on wired connection and if I'm downloading something from Steam etc that is on an iiNet server it comes down faster, seeing speeds up to 11.5 meg/sec. No buffering, no loading. Music from Soundcloud etc is instant when you download it. Like the song is on your computer before Chrome says it's downloading. 5gig game downloaded in the time it took to reply to someone on facebook. It is just insane.

I use an Asus router for the AC wireless. Picked it up for bugger all on sale but you can search for cheapest price at www.staticice.com.au
http://www.asus.com/Networking/RTAC66U/

I'm in a new estate where the only internet is NBN and have never noticed it slow down.

Edit: My homeslice Adrian up there ^^^^ got to it before me.

[GTB Liberty]

All forms of internet CAN have congestion depending on the routing, the switching types and the back-haul lines made available. However, in the scheme of things NBN at 100 Mbs will most likely be throttled by the server you are obtaining your data from and it's load.

As an example, my ADSL line is only 6Mbs at my house but I can stream TV from Apple US much faster than I can from Apple AUS as the server farm in the US are much more substantial than provided in AUS.

[cplagz]

Fuck me... the pingpingpingping is just trying to work out which plan to get - he doesn't need a network routing lesson, I know it suffers from congestion, but not the same as what he would be used to hence my extremely simplified comment.

Antilag - where TCP algorithms and routing protocols matter

*edit ... actually that kinda makes sense... because if it did matter it would be anti lag hahah /nerdoff

[Evman]

I have it with iiNet. During the day the speed is over 95mbps, at night it's down to about 91mbps.

That's fucked

[mod]

I can see the NBN guys putting the cable down the street but there won't be any coming to my street for the next year or so...sigh just out of the zone lol

[Alt_F4]

I can see the NBN guys putting the cable down the street but there won't be any coming to my street for the next year or so...sigh just out of the zone lol
pingpingpingpings don't even have my area on the todo list :(

[b/rad]

laughed so hard at this.....


Fuck me... the pingpingpingping is just trying to work out which plan to get - he doesn't need a network routing lesson, I know it suffers from congestion, but not the same as what he would be used to hence my extremely simplified comment.

Antilag - where TCP algorithms and routing protocols matter

*edit ... actually that kinda makes sense... because if it did matter it would be anti lag hahah /nerdoff

[INSINR8R]

That's fucked

You jelly?

[Evman]

You jelly?

Seeing as it looks like Libs will get in and the NBN will be bastardised into being a lame duck, fuck yes I am!

[Lasoya]

Im with iiinet on the 100/40 plan as well. I never get less than 93mbps download and about 32mbps upload

[Tre-Cool]

dont care who gets voted in. will never see nbn here in the next 10 years anyway. im still on adsl 1 and im not exactly living in the bush

[S85FI]

LOL... I get Around 15 Mbps... on my old crusty land line...70+ wow!

[[Jacek]]

Opinions of 12MBPS fixed wireless? Mum lives in rural Tasmania and the only alternative is mobile broadband which basically doesnt work after lunchtime. So I mean I have no alternative but is there anything I should know?

[evoeata]

Im with iiinet on the 100/40 plan as well. I never get less than 93mbps download and about 32mbps upload

Sweet. Will give them a call today. Have been dreaming about loading a video on xnxx and being able to skip straight to the money shot without waiting...cheers guys!

[mod]

Are there an NBN plans that does not include uploads as downloads?

[crabman]

Seeing as it looks like Libs will get in and the NBN will be bastardised into being a lame duck, fuck yes I am!

Are you in an area that has already been engineered? Supposedly if so, you will recieve, even if it looks like work hasn't started. I saw NBN Co around the corner from me not long ago running fibre, but starting to think it was for a new housing estate.

[Evman]

Are you in an area that has already been engineered? Supposedly if so, you will recieve, even if it looks like work hasn't started. I saw NBN Co around the corner from me not long ago running fibre, but starting to think it was for a new housing estate.

Nope. This area hasn't even been given a date for installation, which I think goes out as far as 3-4 years.

[cplagz]

Are there an NBN plans that does not include uploads as downloads?

Exetel

[INSINR8R]

Are there an NBN plans that does not include uploads as downloads?

TPG offer an unlimited plan I think. But do you think you would use a combined 1tb of data up and down a month?

[cplagz]

TPG offer an unlimited plan I think. But do you think you would use a combined 1tb of data up and down a month?

YES!

[Alt_F4]

The iiNet business plans have unmetered uploads, but they're 30-40% more expensive than the equivalent 'home' plans.

[180SXTCY]

Exetel

Have been with exetel since I first got adsl years ago - good product and service.

[RELEASE]

Slight hijack....
So have to go via ISP (which I didn't want to) to have the nbn co run fibre from the pit outfront to the house. Long story short, wanted the nbn co to do there thing so I can then do landscaping out front as not moving into new place for another month or two so don't want to pay for plans that I can't use...

Anyway, is the Asus rt-ac66u still the router to go for nbn? Or something else better? Or is iinet's options ok?
Requirements are wireless and a few ports to connect cat 6 up to (ie to nas, a room or two or a pc)

[DRKWRX]

what sort of speeds do you guys get downloading your average torrent? wired and wireless.

[INSINR8R]

Once the NBN is connected, it's ready to use. You might be able to negotiate with iiNet and see if they'll hold off until you move in. As far as I know, the ASUS is still one of the best. It has great wireless range and strength and is also a gigabit router, should we ever get it.

Download speed torrents I get up to about 3 or 4 MBp/s and downloading from Steam/Origin can be anywhere from 5MBp/s to 11MBp/s wired.

Wireless is probably half that. Though I've downloaded a few things that were about a GB on my phone and it took no more than 3 mins.

[mod]

what sort of speeds do you guys get downloading your average torrent? wired and wireless.

Not NBN but Fibre in Ellenbrook

I had ~20 simultaneous movies I was renting on utorrent and maxed out at 14.6mb/s in total

http://www.speedtest.net/result/3213275528.png

Much better than 4mb speed I was getting at my last place

[INSINR8R]

I guess the difference between being on the actual NBN and being on Telstra's is the upload speed. My upload is around 38mbps where Mod's is at 5.

[DRKWRX]

damn! cant wait for NBN in the new place running this at the moment!

http://www.speedtest.net/result/3213410485.png (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3213410485)

[RELEASE]

Once the NBN is connected, it's ready to use. You might be able to negotiate with iiNet and see if they'll hold off until you move in. As far as I know, the ASUS is still one of the best. It has great wireless range and strength and is also a gigabit router, should we ever get it.

Download speed torrents I get up to about 3 or 4 MBp/s and downloading from Steam/Origin can be anywhere from 5MBp/s to 11MBp/s wired.

Wireless is probably half that. Though I've downloaded a few things that were about a GB on my phone and it took no more than 3 mins.thanks mate, picked up last one at PLE in wangara today.

[Scaf]

Bit of a bump here.

About to get NBN connected to the new house. Whats the best deal out there at the moment?
Im after unlimited, don't need a home phone.

[munt]

Im on skymesh 1TB on and 1TB off peak which is essentially unlimited. 99.99 a month.

Just swapped from iinet/TPG because of congestion issues in Mandurah, have had no problems and full speed all the time.

[DanWA]

TPG/IInet copping it all over the place about speed/congestion issues

I'm with Telstra $95 1TB data on the 100/40

Have heard good things about http://barefoottelecom.com.au/

[evoeata]

Bit of a bump here.

About to get NBN connected to the new house. Whats the best deal out there at the moment?
Im after unlimited, don't need a home phone.

im still with iinet on the 100/40mbs unlimited plan for 79 a month. its great. doesnt seem to ever be slow during peak times. streams netflix and online gaming with zero lag.

[summoner]

I use telstra for my NBN.. Their backhaul seems to shit on pretty much every other ISP atm. Seen so many people bitching about iinet/tpg/etc's congestion speeds. May have changed now *shrugs*

Biggest pita is that no ISP offers the higher tiers yet to people except those blokes in Vic who cover 1 suburb/etc.

[Evman]

Im on skymesh 1TB on and 1TB off peak which is essentially unlimited. 99.99 a month.

LMAO on/off peak? Welcome to 1998.

[summoner]

LMAO on/off peak? Welcome to 1998.

Actually in 98 most adsl was unlimited.

[munt]

LMAO on/off peak? Welcome to 1998.

Its not that outrageous. The other thing i forgot to mention which was my main reason for choosing them is that there is no contract, i can cancel at anytime if it goes to shit like my old iinet connection.

[Fozzy]

Im with Skymesh also but on satellite so not comparable price wise but I did have an issue early on in the piece and the customer service was excellent. You speak to someone in QLD the wait is a little longer but they talk to you and you can understand them. Made a nice change.

[Lmx]

These guys are having a few teething issues due to the sheer volume of people taking them up on their offer... I was put onto this mob by a friend who works at iinet who reckons these guys will force everyones prices down fast..
100/40 - $59.99 per month Unlimited.
https://myrepublic.net/au/personal/nbn/pricing/

[Lonewolf]

Its not that outrageous. The other thing i forgot to mention which was my main reason for choosing them is that there is no contract, i can cancel at anytime if it goes to shit like my old iinet connection.

ditto, had a couple of dropouts in the last year but happy overall.
off peak quota is fine, i schedule all my torrents and cloud backup to happen in the window and never get near my normal quota anyway

[VZ_V8]

I'm with iinet 100/40 - $99.99/month. I have a rock solid line speed (Rivervale) and after 4 months of being connected I have not seen a speed test drop below 90Mbps/30mbps and it's usually up around 96/38.

Unlimited data and month-month plan so I can drop out at any time I like.

My folks have been with them for 16+ years and I was always happy with their customer service if we had a problem. When I got my NBN connection done I had a query in regards to the first bill. They credited me almost half of the bill even though it was correct and I had just misunderstood one of the charges.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/5881827997.png

[ONETEN]

We have connected up hundreds of NBN LTSS Satellite services and Skymesh have definitely been the standout in terms of the service working well & excellent customer service to back it up.
Activ8me has also been a good LTSS provider.

The LTSS has a different back end to the fiber however in terms of the RSP's, and I have limited experience with RSP's that don't do LTSS.
What I can tell you is that the backhaul for an RSP to the NBN is entirely the RSP's responsibility, none of them have any excuse for the backhaul to be shit imo, NBN made it pretty darn easy for them.
I think some of them (iinet/tpg) just tried to connect hundreds of customers on 100/40 connections through their exisyting systems used once for shit slow ADSL and thought everything would be A-OK.
Skymesh for example put a lot of time & effort into their systems to accommodate the NBN and it has shown in the quality of their service.

[ONETEN]

LMAO on/off peak? Welcome to 1998.

You will find this is not the RSP's doing, but NBN Co. NBN charge the RSP's differing rates for on/off peak, which is reflected in the RSP plans/pricing to the customer.

[_S9_]

Actually in 98 most adsl was unlimited.
Actually consumer ADSL wasn't available in Australia until 2000 ;)

[summoner]

Actually consumer ADSL wasn't available in Australia until 2000 ;)

Ah shit you're right, was still unlimited though when it came out >.<

[Scaf]

Thanks all, i think im going to give My Republic a go. Just cant beat their value for money.
Can go month by month as well for only an extra $10 so if its unreliable i will just pull the pin.

[Lump]

Thanks all, i think im going to give My Republic a go. Just cant beat their value for money.
Can go month by month as well for only an extra $10 so if its unreliable i will just pull the pin.
hi, I need to go NBN now - how have this mob been for you?
thanks

http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/myrepublic-nbn-broadband-provider-angering-many-new-customers-20161206-gt4t81.html

[Lmx]

That post would have been only a few weeks after launch, they had some pretty big teething issues with the sheer amount of new customers.
No idea how its gone now.

[Scaf]

I ended up going with TPG, was put off MyRepublic because of the teething issues. Happy to make the switch once I hear they are up and running smoothly, still the best deal out there. Not that impressed with TPGs speed tbh.

[Lump]

might just go with iinet, since I've been with them for 6+ years.
thanks for the feedback.

[Missile]

hi, I need to go NBN now - how have this mob been for you?
thanks

http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/myrepublic-nbn-broadband-provider-angering-many-new-customers-20161206-gt4t81.html

Steer well clear.
A whole new level of incompetence which is only getting worse.

[ENYXR]

Steer well clear.
A whole new level of incompetence which is only getting worse.

Can confirm. Am with MyRepublic (albeit on ADSL atm, NBN to come in the next few months) and so far the service has been horrible.

[Lukey]

Amnet have looked after me very well. ADSL to NBN and back again (moved to peasantville).

Reasonable pricing and support centre is WA based which makes life easy with any problems

[summoner]

myrepublic talked big about finally bringing us better NBN plans like 1gbit.. but then nothing eventuated and they end up with all the same as everyone else sadly.

[thommo]

myrepublic talked big about finally bringing us better NBN plans like 1gbit.. but then nothing eventuated and they end up with all the same as everyone else sadly.

Is your connection shit? I have the 50mb plan and it's slow as fk, my 4G Telstra on phone is better

[protecon]

Is there anything available that lets you estimate your NBN speeds?
Used to be able to do it for ADSL (based on copper distance).

My suburb roll-out is listed as Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) which would suggest less than optimal throughput? Or just potentially greater congestion, given some will be over existing cable network?

Also from memory, ADSL1 roll-out in Perth was only Telstra initially in 2001, with all plans capped at 3GB. Speeds available were 128, 256 and 512KB/s with around 128KB/s upload.
I had iiNet dialup, shifting to Telstra for ADSL1, then moved to Westnet and finally Amnet for ADSL2+, with unlimited plans not really appearing until late 2000's with TPG being the most visible. /CSB

[summoner]

Is there anything available that lets you estimate your NBN speeds?
Used to be able to do it for ADSL (based on copper distance).

My suburb roll-out is listed as Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) which would suggest less than optimal throughput? Or just potentially greater congestion, given some will be over existing cable network?

Also from memory, ADSL1 roll-out in Perth was only Telstra initially in 2001, with all plans capped at 3GB. Speeds available were 128, 256 and 512KB/s with around 128KB/s upload.
I had iiNet dialup, shifting to Telstra for ADSL1, then moved to Westnet and finally Amnet for ADSL2+, with unlimited plans not really appearing until late 2000's with TPG being the most visible. /CSB

HFC would indicate you have cable in the area.

I had iprimus 1.5mbit adsl1 with unlimited plans around 2002 or 3 from memory.

[summoner]

Is your connection shit? I have the 50mb plan and it's slow as fk, my 4G Telstra on phone is better

100/40 with telstra and it's running good atm. Speedtest and torrents both showing peak speeds.

[Macca]

Always stick with telstra.......Far less dramas than anything else i have tried

[RICEY]

Iinet NBN dropping out for 5 mins at random times during the day.

Support about as useful as Centrelink's.

How hard is it to provide decent service and support pingpingpingpings?

[Lonewolf]

Welcome to iinet post TPG buyout!

Still with skymesh, dont see a reason to change
http://www.speedtest.net/result/6115490547.png

[Scaf]

Im not impressed with NBN at all, im on 25mbs and it shows that on a speed test but i still struggle to get 1mb on torrent downloads, youtube buffers and i cant stream shit.

Im not tech savvy so i just continually rage and do nothing about it.

[Lump]

^sounds far worse than my adsl2, i watch heaps of youtube & netflix & it never buffers. Hope going nbn doesnt turn it to shit :/

[Socrates]

if you have HFC cable in your area you can join telstra and get 110m megabit connection right now with the speedboost option or 38mbits without it and will be the same when NBN comes in, just different speed tiers

[Lump]

thanks, I have fibre to the house but I'm thinking of going with a 25 mps plan as we are not heavy data users

[mr_rotary]

I'm with iinet on the 25 mbs plan (FTTP). Bang on on the advertised speeds in my area with an occasional dropout. YouTube streams perfectly and no issue with Torrents.

Speed issues may be with your modem? I never use the crud modems they supply and buy my own. I'm using the Asus DSL-AC68U

[crabman]

So the ghetto of Ferndale is finally on the roll-out map and I have seen contractors getting around cleaning out the major pits and pulling the blue shit (cleaning and having it ready to pull fibre?)

This upsets me as it means I will probably end up with FTTN when I was hoping the loopholes would be sorted in time for this area to get FTTdp. At least the node should be 3 houses down. Anyone know the costs involved in having new copper pulled from the node to my pit? Should I offer them a cashie job if I am home when the node it getting put in?

[DanWA]

So the ghetto of Ferndale is finally on the roll-out map and I have seen contractors getting around cleaning out the major pits and pulling the blue shit (cleaning and having it ready to pull fibre?)

This upsets me as it means I will probably end up with FTTN when I was hoping the loopholes would be sorted in time for this area to get FTTdp. At least the node should be 3 houses down. Anyone know the costs involved in having new copper pulled from the node to my pit? Should I offer them a cashie job if I am home when the node it getting put in?

I am about the same distance from a node. On a 100/40 plan syncing at 107/46 on shitty country town copper.

[summoner]

tbh country town copper might be better than most metro areas as it would have potentially been laid later on as regional centres got the technology later than city.

As much as people bitch about Telstra and the copper they had several plans in place for upgrade the network to FTTN in the 90's and early 00's which would have sped up and improved the infrastructure as well as starting fibre roll outs in select areas before the NBN. But alas regulation made them decide fuck it not worth our time.

[Macca]

Yeah Telstra are shit.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/6117625550.png (http://www.speedtest.net/result/6117625550)

[summoner]

eeww 10ms, practically unusable

Yeah Telstra are shit.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/6117625550.png (http://www.speedtest.net/result/6117625550)

[Macca]

eeww 10ms, practically unusable

The struggle is real. Normally 5......fucks are ripping me off

[_S9_]

Also from memory, ADSL1 roll-out in Perth was only Telstra initially in 2001, with all plans capped at 3GB. Speeds available were 128, 256 and 512KB/s with around 128KB/s upload.
I had iiNet dialup, shifting to Telstra for ADSL1, then moved to Westnet and finally Amnet for ADSL2+, with unlimited plans not really appearing until late 2000's with TPG being the most visible. /CSB

Both Telstra and iiNet had ADSL1 in 2000.

iiNet had ADSL1 end-2000. Was a TWE-resold Layer 2 service as well, before the Layer3/PPPoE we now use.
We had a 1.5mb/64kb service in West Perth (Business) with a tiny ~1.5GB cap.

This is back when iiNet outsourced the DSL installation and configuration to an of IT consultancy (part of the reason why we had a massive "connection fee" back then too)

[protecon]

Dug this up... nostalgia..
We used to jump on the old 33.6 rotary because it was more stable and they only bothered to police the 2 hour connection limit on the 56..
http://i.imgur.com/hUOJpmB.gif

Anyway - back to NBN - Amaysim sent me this update on their upcoming NBN plans this morning.
Unlimited with no contract period seems decent?

http://i.imgur.com/c0eyzPU.jpg

[crabman]

tbh country town copper might be better than most metro areas as it would have potentially been laid later on as regional centres got the technology later than city

Yeah mid 60's house with no doubt the original copper from connection. I have replaced from the little box on the side of the house to the phone point inside and I have been meaning to invite a comms tech mate around to look at pulling fresh stuff from the pit on driveway to box on side of house. I am scared of it going bad then dealing with the cluster fuck of putting new conduit from pit to house (unless laying it in the 6" gap between driveway and fence line is OK :P)

[protecon]

Got HFC connected this morning - getting 6dB to the nbn box.

Amnet ADSL2 vs Skymesh NBN 100/40

http://i.imgur.com/M0q7dZ4.jpg

[R3N]

Where are you to get HFC? NOR somewhere?

[Gleeso]

Got HFC connected this morning - getting 6dB to the nbn box.

Amnet ADSL2 vs Skymesh NBN 100/40

I'd take those ADSL2 speeds any day! NBN rollout is still some time away and Telstra just laid fresh copper for me from the exchange, technician test is on Tuesday. Really hope I'm legible for ADSL2.

[protecon]

Where are you to get HFC? NOR somewhere?
Cottesloe. Install tech said long term plan is to get fibre curbside for all residential, and homeowners pay for fibre to wall socket. For nbn, he said HFC is dependant on your distance to coax amplifier, with 9dB being the upper max signal limit.


I'd take those ADSL2 speeds any day! NBN rollout is still some time away and Telstra just laid fresh copper for me from the exchange, technician test is on Tuesday. Really hope I'm legible for ADSL2.
Tragic! I actually used to sync at 18mb a few years ago, but every time they tinkered with the box on the verge, it got slower and more noise.

Unsure what Telstras plan is for fresh copper, given nbn will let all the old stuff they bought rot away.

[Gleeso]

Tragic! I actually used to sync at 18mb a few years ago, but every time they tinkered with the box on the verge, it got slower and more noise.

Unsure what Telstras plan is for fresh copper, given nbn will let all the old stuff they bought rot away.

Very tragic. Telstra couldn't supply me with a service because of there being the incorrect grade of cable in the ground, so they had to change it to pursue any potential service. I'll found out on Tuesday it was even worth it as I'm on the limit of 5k's from the exchange.

[Adr3naL1N]

Pre ordered my nbn with iinet, went for the max 100 mbps in the Parmelia ghetto, no idea how far from the exchange it is or if its gonna be any good? ill find out on june 9.

[The_Senator]

Look for your NODE around your area. Mines 30m away so I know I'll get great SYNC speed, just the backhaul data speed is what I am weary of. Im staying on my 20mb/s ADSL for a few months until i can see my area is not CONGESTION CITY.

[protecon]

If you're getting fibre to the nbn box, you don't have to worry about distances.
As mentioned before, with HFC (hybrid fibre coax), only part of the network is fibre (usually to the exchange) and the rest of the way to your door utilises existing cable coaxial (eg Foxtel RG6). The difference between traditional copper link ADSL and coax, is you can run in-line amplifiers to boost the signal on coax, which can help in situations where your cable link to the fibre backbone is a long way.

[Lump]

Had no nbn all day, pingpingpingpings at iiNet still saying wait on hold times are still over an hour.
Be nice if they could send out a text when their nbn is down just so I know the problem is not at my end

[mr_rotary]

Had no nbn all day, pingpingpingpings at iiNet still saying wait on hold times are still over an hour.
Be nice if they could send out a text when their nbn is down just so I know the problem is not at my end
There is a setting in your Toolbox to be alerted of any issues. However it's only via e-mail.

[protecon]

Handy for those wondering what networks are currently available.

http://nbnmtm.australiaeast.cloudapp.azure.com/nbnmtm.html

[Uber XR]

Just bought a new place in south lake that is on the HFC network, how is everybodys plans going? Which is the best company to deal with? I'm currently with iinet adsl 2 at old house but happy to tell them to fuck off,

[Brockas]

Yay iiNet FTTN.......

http://i.imgur.com/ExeqrjF.png

Have complained. Got FTTN connected last week and it's like this every night from 6pm until 11pm or so. It's worse than the ADSL2+ I had previously.

[Evman]

That's fucked, and exactly what all of this bullshit mixed technology is going to result in. NBN has been screwed with too many times to be anything close to a half arsed network, let alone top tier.

[SimonR32]

Yay iiNet FTTN.......

http://i.imgur.com/ExeqrjF.png

Have complained. Got FTTN connected last week and it's like this every night from 6pm until 11pm or so. It's worse than the ADSL2+ I had previously.

Similar happened to me... They blame you for a while, then your hardware and then finally will sort the backhaul issue haha

[protecon]

Pretty much all the complaints on whingepool regarding NBN plans had the same message - aim to steer clear of any providers with unlimited plans.

I went with Skymesh 1TB peak/1TB offpeak (midnight-7am) @ $100/mo for a couple of reasons, including the above.
It's an extra $30 a month compared to my unlimited ADSL2, but the speed increase is definitely worth it.

- Local node in Perth (so pings are decent)
- No contact period
- Can change plans any time (data and speed) so if you get close to your cap, it's much cheaper to just bump up to the next plan
- Can use spare peak data for offpeak if you go over offpeak cap
- Free Dlink AC1200 if signed for six months

As a bonus, they contacted me with this last week.

Currently WA customers who are connected via our aggregation provider are being re-homed to a Perth Datacenter. Whilst this is under way usage is not currently being accrued. There is additional work required at both the network/router level by Engineering as well as changes at a programming/development/database level before we will be in a position to begin counting usage for WA customers connected via our aggregation provider.

Please note that you will not be back-dated for your usage. When we do begin counting usage it will be from that point forward, so although there is no visibility of usage, there is also no billing/financial concern to be worried about either.

Grabbed all of season 1 of Planet Earth II in UHD last night, just to see what sustained speeds I could achieve - still averaging 5-6MB/s through California (VPN).

EDIT: Just switched to another VPN server as a test and fired up a torrent. http://i.imgur.com/MBZRxAT.jpg

[R3N]

That's fucked, and exactly what all of this bullshit mixed technology is going to result in. NBN has been screwed with too many times to be anything close to a half arsed network, let alone top tier.

Nothing to do with the network, more to do with the ISPs. Nbn getting a bad rap because people are having slow internet on nbn, missing the obvious detail about who their provider is.

[munt]

I had iinet and skymesh connected at the same time for a few days just to test if it was worth swapping to skymesh. At exactly the same time during the day iinet would be 5mb on speedtest and skymesh would be 100mb.

[Macca]

Yay iiNet FTTN.......

http://i.imgur.com/ExeqrjF.png

Have complained. Got FTTN connected last week and it's like this every night from 6pm until 11pm or so. It's worse than the ADSL2+ I had previously.

Don't they know who you are!

Wait you are not TJ.

SUX2BU

[S85FI]

I have NBN but still on AdSL at 11mbps

No plans to change.

Sounds like a head ache to switch.

Happy.

Staying put.

[huggy_b]

I have NBN but still on AdSL at 11mbps

No plans to change.

Sounds like a head ache to switch.

Happy.

Staying put.

People not switching over is what is causing a lot of the problems.

[mr_rotary]

I have NBN but still on AdSL at 11mbps

No plans to change.

Sounds like a head ache to switch.

Happy.

Staying put.

You have 2 years to switch once NBN is installed in your area.
ADSL is like staying on a 56k modem!

[S85FI]

Works fine for what I use the Internet for. By the sounds of it people are getting pissed off. Why would I change? If it ain't broke why fix it.

Coming from a guy who still pays bills using cash.

[The_Senator]

And this pops into my feed today..

http://www.perthnow.com.au/technology/nbn-complaints-more-than-double-as-aussies-remain-frustrated-at-internet-services/news-story/2430c569ebe48c92773360e5e47797f1

[Brockas]

Pretty much all the complaints on whingepool regarding NBN plans had the same message - aim to steer clear of any providers with unlimited plans.

I went with Skymesh 1TB peak/1TB offpeak (midnight-7am) @ $100/mo for a couple of reasons, including the above.
That's what I'm paying for iiNet 100/40 plan anyway, so I might give Skymesh a go. I'm on month by month with iiNet for this exact reason.

[crabman]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/world/australia/australia-slow-internet-broadband.html?_r=2

Even the New York Times is exposing our stupidity to the developed world.

[summoner]

NBN needs to fuck off its CVC charges for something more reasonable because I want faster internets!

gimme 1gbit damn it! :(

[The_Senator]

CVC is where they are making its $$$$ from right now.

And hence why ISP's are only buying the bare minimum...

[1JZVL]

Similar happened to me... They blame you for a while, then your hardware and then finally will sort the backhaul issue haha

that'd be right, pingpingpingpings! :mad: :mad:

[hako]

I've had zero issues with my iiNet unlimited plan, it is FTTP though which helps.

[VZ_V8]

I've had zero issues with my iiNet unlimited plan, it is FTTP though which helps.

Same here. I never get below 90 down and 30 up.

http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6293692127.png

[Lonewolf]

That's what I'm paying for iiNet 100/40 plan anyway, so I might give Skymesh a go. I'm on month by month with iiNet for this exact reason.

been really happy with skymesh.
Their support is business hours only, but still better than IInet these days, haha.

[Evman]

I called iiNet support at about 6pm a few weeks ago and opted for a call back in 'over one hour'. Fuckers called me at 2am that night.

[skidkid]

Skymesh - who's still using it, and thoughts?

Currently with iinet on ADSL and about to be changed over the NBN, but not super impressed with the iinet plans.

[The_Senator]

Aussie Broadband or Node1 seems to be the "fast" players right now.

Skymesh have dropped the ball - if what I am reading on Whirlpool is correct. Lots of now disgruntled users.

Anyone that does not offer "Unlimited" seems to have a decent backhaul. Those with UNLIMITED are getting smashed and as such saturating the backhaul.

[Adr3naL1N]

currently on iinet unlimited NBN

never had an issue thankfully, runs anywhere between 65mbps and 90mbps usually at around 75ish though. Have no issues streaming Netflix at 4k and youtube at 4k which was a massive step up from my adsl2+ I had a few months ago which could barely manage a stable 1080p stream.

[summoner]

Aussie Broadband or Node1 seems to be the "fast" players right now.

Skymesh have dropped the ball - if what I am reading on Whirlpool is correct. Lots of now disgruntled users.

Anyone that does not offer "Unlimited" seems to have a decent backhaul. Those with UNLIMITED are getting smashed and as such saturating the backhaul.

Do those 2 actually offer the quicker plans in Perth metro? I thought Node1 was limiting their 250mbit plan to Geraldton POI.. if it has been expanded that's neat although unsure on transferring away from Telstra :/

Aussie broadband similar?

Telstra's Backhaul is brilliant so even during peak hours I'm maxing my link when I need to.

[Steve]

iinet unlimited on HFC going great for me... getting 96/38

[owen1r]

Skymesh - who's still using it, and thoughts?

Currently with iinet on ADSL and about to be changed over the NBN, but not super impressed with the iinet plans.

ISPs seem to vary in performance from exchange to exchange.

We had it on the applecross exchange and received excellent speeds (95 mbps at peak times).

Moved to Kardinya and on a 50/20 plan only received 20 ish at peak times, we had a whinge and about a month later it improved significantly

Would recommend.

[summoner]

ISPs seem to vary in performance from exchange to exchange.

We had it on the applecross exchange and received excellent speeds (95 mbps at peak times).

Moved to Kardinya and on a 50/20 plan only received 20 ish at peak times, we had a whinge and about a month later it improved significantly

Would recommend.

Mistake there was moving away from Applecross :p

[TheChad]

Just got a new internet plan in our apartment in Oslo, Norway. it's 250/20, includes a stack of cable TV channels and comes with a free HBO on demand subscription.
All for 580NOK, which is about $90-95AUD.
My cheap HP and china phone can only pull ~130-150 each, I've never had internet faster than my devices could handle before. Shit is lightning fast. My housemate got 237.08 down and 20.66 up yesterday testing on wifi on his mac.
Had to buy a 4k tv now, so that we can stream 4k stuff.

Not a fair comparison, Australia is massive and our successive governments have completely screwed the pooch on the NBN, but it's just another indication of how backward Australia is.

[TheChad]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w9/hide_the_sausag3/21768230_10156214207215400_4797959312312218722_n_z psc15czscz.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/hide_the_sausag3/media/21768230_10156214207215400_4797959312312218722_n_z psc15czscz.jpg.html)
Fuck photobucket

[Evman]

50/20 plan with Aussie Broadband at 6:12pm local

http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6818310026.png (http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6818310026)

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/135/261/face.png

[crabman]

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/optus-to-offer-fixed-wireless-over-5g-484241

Am I the only one quietly hoping this just destroys NBN Co's already shit-house roll out and business model.

[Evman]

Wireless can be faster, and often is, but only because it's not being put under the same load as the wired network. I'd also hate to see the price of an unlimited wireless plan...

[d1mitch]

recently ran a speedtest on my FTTP NBN connection through iinet and got an amazing speed of 1.32mbps......... this was also via an ethernet cable connected to the modem as wifi was slower. lol pathetic.

but anyway I need some suggestions on Wireless Internet, who does wireless internet? who is the best?
vivid wireless is the easiest one i can find so far that doesn't want to set up some fixed antenna setup which is not an option

suggestions?

[mr_rotary]

I have had a similar case where I was getting a ton of dropouts. Call iiNet and let them know of connection issue.
Once fixed my connection was twice as fast as what it was previously.

[Alt_F4]

Vivid is garbage, talk to your ISP, there is a problem with your connection (either provider side or your side).

[d1mitch]

yep I am in contact with iinet about the issue atm.
the wireless question is a completely separate issue, looking for my girlfriend who needs internet at her place and doesn't have a phone line or want to/cant get an nbn connection. so any recommendations?

[Lmx]

http://www.speedtest.net/result/7040208496.png
MyRepublic, $69 per month, unlimited, 100/50
I've been pretty happy with it, minimal downtime.
For the price compared to others you can't beat it, i'd imagine if i paid for the same speeds and limits with AussieBroadband that i'd be much better, but for double the cost...

[Phyber]

Aussie BB tested right now (7:20pm) on a line sync of 63/24

http://www.speedtest.net/result/7040434328.png


Fuck you Internode and your 1.XX Mbps peak time shit, I'm so glad I jumped ship. Even saved $15 a month and got the first month free.

[Lmx]

curious, how do you have 0 ms and my test the closest gave me 68 =/

[1JZVL]

Aussie BB tested right now (7:20pm) on a line sync of 63/24

http://www.speedtest.net/result/7040434328.png


Fuck you Internode and your 1.XX Mbps peak time shit, I'm so glad I jumped ship. Even saved $15 a month and got the first month free.

Been with AussieBB past 6 months or so, on a 'shitty' fttn, I love them and recommend them to all!

No peak time slow down bullshit either....them or that other company, I forget, but screw the big companies...total junk, was with iinet for over ten years, gladly cancelled as peak hours was just SHIT HOUSE.

[Lukey]

Anyone using node1 fixed wireless? Getting real fucking sick of the garbage internet we're getting 4kms from the exhange.

Open to other companies as well

[protecon]

Seems most of the bottlenecking at the moment is WAIX routing.

[mr top hat]

Anyone using node1 fixed wireless? Getting real fucking sick of the garbage internet we're getting 4kms from the exhange.

Open to other companies as well

have a look at their thread on whirlpool, users have had a couple of issues but overall everyone is very happy with node 1. i'm planning on moving to them soon

[_S9_]

Node1 (although not a customer) are a good bunch.
4kms from the CBD, two storey house, google maps survey passed.

Techs come to house, climb and harness onto roof with a test dish to check signal.

Two streets over have the BIGGEST fucking backyard tree in between my house and QV1 - too much signal loss to install service.
Neighbours house would be fine and have clear LOS.

FML.

$0 charge from Node1

Considered approaching tree owner and paying for tree lopping service.

[Lukey]

Node1 (although not a customer) are a good bunch.
4kms from the CBD, two storey house, google maps survey passed.

Techs come to house, climb and harness onto roof with a test dish to check signal.

Two streets over have the BIGGEST fucking backyard tree in between my house and QV1 - too much signal loss to install service.
Neighbours house would be fine and have clear LOS.

FML.

$0 charge from Node1

Considered approaching tree owner and paying for tree lopping service.

Got a call from pentanet this morning, google maps survey has me blocked from all local towers by hills and big trees.

hoping node1 has separate towers that can see my house.

[d1mitch]

another question about vivid wireless (not if they are crap or not as there doesn't seem to be any other option for complete wireless internet)

can you purchase a 2nd hand modem, vivid want $200 for a new modem but people are selling them on Gumtree for $20-$50?

how do you get a plan without a modem as their site doesn't seem to allow you to remove it?

and what pitfalls would i run into? anyone have a vivid modem laying around?

[Socrates]

I'm not sure about the 4G stuff but make sure you dont buy a "home gateway" tall wedge looking ones.
Their network "WIMAX" was closed down last year. only the 4G ones work now

[Mister Two]

Unlimited Telstra 4G Data - $150 pm

LOL

http://www.speedtest.net/result/a/3627970117.png

[random?]

I am just about to upgrade to NBN but have no idea what modem to get, I had a look at a few on google have have found this one.

TD-VG5612 Wireless N Voip Modem Router

A complete all-in-one solution for your home network. It not only provides reliable wireless/wired connections for all your network-needed devices, but also acts as a full-fledged telephone system for you to enjoy internet telephony (VoIP). Fully compatible with the VDSL2/ADSL2+/ADSL2/ADSL standards, as well as fibre and cable services. 2.4GHz 802.11n 300Mbps. Plugpack included.

Features

Fast Broadband Speeds – Up to 100Mbps broadband speeds, ideal for smooth streaming media and online gaming
Cost-Effective VoIP – Supports up to eight VoIP accounts and numerous call features, keeping phone costs low
Versatile USB Sharing – USB 2.0 port for shared storage, media, and voicemail
EWAN Connection – Available LAN/WAN port offers broadband connectivity option for cabl

Has lots of good reviews and fits the budged as well, I wont be needing it for a phone as I just use my mobile.

Opinions/thoughs? or any recommendations.

Thanks

[Evman]

Check out whirlpool. Heaps of info on there for NBN modems

[Hurtenstein]

Whats FTTC, Fibre to the curb?
They run it to the front of the house and its up to you to get a cable from the street to your place?

I saw a whole pile of wagons rolling out green fibre down the road yesterday so looked it up and i have proposed FTTC Oct-Dec this year.
Pretty happy if thats the case.

[Evilteddy]

Whats FTTC, Fibre to the curb?
They run it to the front of the house and its up to you to get a cable from the street to your place?

I saw a whole pile of wagons rolling out green fibre down the road yesterday so looked it up and i have proposed FTTC Oct-Dec this year.
Pretty happy if thats the case.

Will use your existing phone line thats from the curb to the house as the connection. Better than copper from the node to the house.

You 'could' dig a trench and get someone to lay the fibre to the house from there though...

[VZ_V8]

Fastest I have got from my iiNet FTTP connection...

http://www.speedtest.net/result/7088643147.png

[kris]

Unlimited Telstra 4G Data - $150 pm

LOL

http://www.speedtest.net/result/a/3627970117.png

Wow, Is that consistent??

[mr_rotary]

iiNet is giving me the absolute shits. Almost a week without net service and god how many phone calls/time spent on the phone. Their tech service is non-existent and nothing like they where in their hayday. And this has not been the first issue either.
After 18 years, I'm looking to move.

Any recommendations for NBN? I have been seeing good reviews with Aussie Broadband.

[Lmx]

Aussie Broadband definitely gets most of the good reviews, I'm with MyRepublic and havent had any issues with them so have had no reason to switch to Aussie BB but thats where I will go after my contract ends.

[S85FI]

NBN is shit.

ABB service is brilliant.

I had faster ADSL than NBN when they hooked it up. So much wishy washy answer from NBN as I got every excuse why I went from 16 Mbps on ADSL to 1 Mbps on NBN.

From the start I made it clear all responses are kept for parliamentary question time.

8 weeks later I write to the Minister. I get better answers but still wishy washy.

Fire off questions and emails responses in a table format.

Next minute NBN is on my verge/street right back to the box. I'm at 35Mbps and advised once off the coexistence period it will double again.

Doesn't matter who your rsp is... they cannot guarantee a speed. They don't own the network.

Ask the questions...I bet you don't get an answer.

[mr_rotary]

NBN is shit.

Amen to that. This is my second NBN issue this week as a technician decided to swap my connection with someone else.
iiNet customer service to resolve this is issue is damn frustrating as it took me 3x phone calls on Sunday for iiNet to finally acknowledge it was a line issue and not my modem then another 3 days of them telling me it is fixed when clearly it was not.
And I'm still experiencing drop-outs when it was perfectly fine before.

That's just the very short version of the many many hours on the phone.
You contact NBN Co. and they just wipe their hands advising it's the ISP's issue.

[S85FI]

Found a Telstra document explaining why FTTN is not broadband. All the science behind it and why the government should not do NBN.

In the same document Telstra highlights all the issues that will occur and again the science behind it.

It then goes to say they will drop the NBN programme and concentrate on 5G technology.

They also say how the NBN infrastructure will be out of date by the time its installed.

Not sure how the Minister will respond to these questions....which will be quoted and attached as enc.

Fuck you NBN for forcing me to switch over.

[S13]

Telstra finishes getting paid its $9bn for putting in the NBN in 2020... guess what comes out in 2020 from Telstra - 5G cant bring it out now will not get its final payments from the govt - its was trialed at the Comm Games this year with great success .

TLS cut its dividend for the first time ever and put that $1bn a year into growth ...which is 5G

A $200 box that through wireless blaa blaa technology that can produce 10 x the speed of the NBN

[Nugs]

So right after NBN becomes available in my suburb 5G will be available.........
I already use 4G at home, the other option is 2Mbps ADSL. Seems reasonable for a suburb 5kms from the CBD in 2018.

[mr_rotary]

When the net was out, I was able to use the personal hotspot on my iPhone and connected wireless to the PC.
Surprised to get a ping of ~90 on 4G!!

5G at the comm games was bloody fantastic, no dropouts and coverage was great all over the Gold Coast.
Other night back in Perth at a concert and you think your could get coverage?

Bring on 5G

[evoeata]

changed from iinet to aussie broadband last night. only took a couple of hours from start to finish. for the same price as Iinet, ive got from 20mbps to just shy of 50mbps on a 50mbps plan as opposed to the 100mbps plan i was paying for. fuck Iinet....

[The_Senator]

changed from iinet to aussie broadband last night. only took a couple of hours from start to finish. for the same price as Iinet, ive got from 20mbps to just shy of 50mbps on a 50mbps plan as opposed to the 100mbps plan i was paying for. fuck Iinet....

If iiNet sold you a 100mbs Plan on a line that could not physically pull that data, they owe you a refund. Telstra, Optus and Co. where all doing the same - selling plans to people whom would never get that speed. They had to refund the monies. From then they had to only offer you plans that you could ACTUALLY get.

[TJ]

by the time we get nbn in dianella I will be using a 5g wireless plan.

Dec 2019 they reckon...

[S85FI]

If iiNet sold you a 100mbs Plan on a line that could not physically pull that data, they owe you a refund. Telstra, Optus and Co. where all doing the same - selling plans to people whom would never get that speed. They had to refund the monies. From then they had to only offer you plans that you could ACTUALLY get.

Because of this NBN have changed their plan pricing.

They are also saying regardless of plan, they seem 12Mbps is satisfactory and you have to upgrade the infrastructure for anything better.

Nbn is crap.

[Bomber]

by the time we get nbn in dianella I will be using a 5g wireless plan.

Dec 2019 they reckon...

The same time frame for NBN to arrive in the “older” part of Jane Brook 😂

[Nugs]

by the time we get nbn in dianella I will be using a 5g wireless plan.

Dec 2019 they reckon...
Same in Coolbinia, Jul-Dec 2019*

*This date and technology is based on nbn’s current deployment plans and is subject to change.

[180SXTCY]

I finally got the NBN in my area. It originally stopped two house's away (fuck knows why). First attempt to connect me the NBN technicians came out and said the fiber had no light coming down the line so there was an issue with the fiber and they would need to replace it. Wait about another month, another technician comes out and it turns out the issue was a dead black box (forget the name of it but it converts the fiber signal to copper as I'm on FTTC) He goes away gets one comes back replaces it and all has been working well since. I'm only on a telstra 50/20 plan as I don't really use the internet a lot apart from streaming Kodi, downloading the odd movie and music... Been getting around 47/18 so pretty happy I guess.

[graphicgoose]

Just after some other peoples thoughts. I'm currently on NBN with iinet on their 100/40 plan and get 90 with my wired connection to my PC...so it's pretty reasonable. BUT, is it worth paying the extra $20 per month for the extra speed over their 50mbps plan? It's only me and the missus and generally only streaming 4K on the TV with a couple of phones and a bunch of other appliances connected to the WiFi.

[TJ]

No

[1JZVL]

changed from iinet to aussie broadband last night. only took a couple of hours from start to finish. for the same price as Iinet, ive got from 20mbps to just shy of 50mbps on a 50mbps plan as opposed to the 100mbps plan i was paying for. fuck Iinet....

iinet....congestion city come peak time, the pingpingpingpings.

loved the experience with ABB so far!

[evoeata]

iinet....congestion city come peak time, the pingpingpingpings.

loved the experience with ABB so far!

same mate. they have been great so far. got a 20Mbps increase straight away. get emails from them if something is happening with my connection and dont get passed round half of india trying to get an answer when i do actually call them. so far very impressed

[mr_rotary]

Just after some other peoples thoughts. I'm currently on NBN with iinet on their 100/40 plan and get 90 with my wired connection to my PC...so it's pretty reasonable. BUT, is it worth paying the extra $20 per month for the extra speed over their 50mbps plan? It's only me and the missus and generally only streaming 4K on the TV with a couple of phones and a bunch of other appliances connected to the WiFi.
Same situation as you and I am fine on the 50 plan. To me it's not worth the extra money. Buy yourself a better modem to get the best out of the connection rather than using telco's average modems.

[graphicgoose]

Sweet, cheers. I've dropped my plan down, so I'll give it a crack and see if I notice any difference. If I don't, then great - saves me $20 a month.

[beatle]

Optus NBN and the constant dropouts is driving me insane.
Dont need a super fast plan, but am open to the idea of Telstra with Foxtel bundled in, I only want Foxtel Sports though for the F1, so may be a bit of a waste.

Any suggestions, 25mb down is sufficient.

[TJ]

Got a letter from NBN yesterday - they are coming to do initial checks on our phone line

Anytime from 11 October - 31 March 2019..... k then