thieving priest

[mr_mike]

did anyone else catch this story on the news last night and tonight?

Back story: Priest finds a gold and diamond bracelet in a carpark does the righty and hands it into police station. 3 months later no one has claimed it so he gets it back. Decided to take it to a shop to be valued turns out its worth $6.5k BUT has a serial number on it jeweller punches code into computer and gets owners details straight away and notifies the happy owner. The promptly ask for it back and the priest says "no its mine now" its a gift from above.
He then hatched the plan that the orginal owners should claim it on insurance then give him 1/2 the payout and he'll give them back the bracelet.
I mean really WTF!!! After the news report he returned the bracelet last night, then later last night someone vandalised his City beach church.

Is it just me or is that completly morally wrong? boardering on Fraud.

[Brett_J]

Poor priests can't win, Try commit fraud, gets frowned upon, sleep with young boys, get frowned upon!
Can't catch a break !

[Niva]

Bikes and puppies aint cheap!

[RICEY]

I think Ill try and balance myself above his doorway and shit on him as he walks through

"GIFT FROM ABOVE!"

More likely scenario is door frame fails due to being unable to hold my weight and priest thinks I fell from Heaven and proceeds to molest me.

Either way is win win I guess.

[TJ]

Actually the is not a thief - has stolen nothing.

However, morally, what a piece of shit.

[huggy_b]

As TJ said, morally reprehensible. And then suggested de-frauding an insurance company.

Disgraceful

[Jase]

Didnt catch the story, whole thing sounds bit odd though- media taking creative license or just really a weird happening?

For starters, if I lost a $6500 bracelet I sure as hell would have claimed insurance well before 3 months.

[shifted]

So how come the coppers couldn't locate the owner via serial number previously? No report before or something?

[Jase]

Got bored, googled it

Apparently said

As you have thus lost ownership of the bracelet, you have a valid claim against your insurer for its insured value. On the basis that equality is equity, I would be prepared to sell it to you for 50 per cent of its insured value.

[carlos spicy wener]

he legally owns the bracelet now, he could sell it at full price to someone, or give it for half price to the original owners.
whats wrong with that?

he did the right thing in the first place and handed it in. a real thief would drive straight to cashies.

[hako]

So how come the coppers couldn't locate the owner via serial number previously? No report before or something?

Possibly the most sense you've ever made.

Cops hold bracelet for 3 months, don't think to check security code. Priest gets it back under finders keepers law, gets it valued, jeweller locates and contacts actual owner.

Good job WA Police

[S85FI]

How many of us here know there is a security code stamped on jewellery? I didnt...

[SircatmaN]

You guys don't have the acts. He found the bracelet and took it to the police. Because the owners never filed a missing report (asin they didn't care enough) 2 months later it legally became his.

Now the original owners were he owners of friends resteraunt, a major backer of 6PR. And pretty wealthy people. Now he took it in to get valued and they found the serial number and he tracked down the original owners.
He told them they could legally claim it lost on insurance and he wanted half of their payout (he was an ex lawyer).

Basically all they had to due was claim it missing, which the insurance companies said they would happily pay out on since they no longer have title of the bracelet. But instead the previous owners used their media contacts with 6pr to try and force the guy into handing it over (I can only presume they don't want the raised insurance premiums? I don't know).

Now the priest has been named and shamed for doing nothing illegal, has been fired over it and is losing his house, vandals are attacking his house and old church as well.

If I found the bracelet I wouldn't have even taken it to the cops, and I bet neither would any of you. Even the previous owners openly admitted they knew they lost it but didn't care.
The only reason this gets any traction is that the guy was a priest so everyone expects him to to the morally right thing, nobody has heard his story and knowing that priests earn fuck all money chances are he needed it and wanted some sort of reward for the time spent running back and forward with police and to the jewelers, and Im sure you usually have to pay for valuations and stuff as well right?

If anyone fucked up here it was the cops and it goes to show how if you are rich and sponsor a radio station you can destroy peoples lives.

[Brett_J]

If I found the bracelet I wouldn't have even taken it to the cops, and I bet neither would any of you.

Just because you're a dishonest kunt doesn't mean the rest of us are !

[TJ]

3k to drive to the police station twice?

Well fuck me I am in the wrong industry, as are most of us.

As a priest, in between convincing people to part with their money for nothing, touching kids, and generally messing with aspects of society which are no longer relevant to a book written by drunken jews 2013 years or some shit, he should be setting and acting on the values set by the church.

You know, love thy neighbour, be kind, etc, etc. He has a revered position (by some) in this society.
20 bucks says had he returned there would of been an awesome GOOD news story about how a priest found it and returned a love piece of jewellery. Media coverage = donations = more than 3k.

As for not handing it in - I handed in a phone I found a couple years ago. Owners claimed it. Felt good!

[DRKWRX]

guy is a piece of shit, even if what he is doing is legal he is Priest lol.

[R3N]

legal != moral

[mr_mike]

The whole claiming insurance part has me a bit confused, if the insurance company paid out and the bracelet was located would they not want it to auction off to reclaim their payout? meaning the orginal owners are now down $3k, have no bracelet as insurance company have it back and the Priest walks away a happy man with $3k in his pocket.

Or do the finders keepers laws mean insurance company now has no claim to it.

In theory does this mean i could "loose" a unlic but insured car with no vin numbers so cant be easily traced ie: race car or something, someone says they found, it police hold it for 3mths then its returned to them, i can then decide to claim the car on insurance and will get paid out. At this stage old mate says "yep i got ur car u can have it for $2k" i buy car back get insurance pay out and i havent done anything illegal?

[1JZNOSHIT]

im pretty sure if a vehicle is recovered after you have been paid out, it becomes the property of the insurance company and they will take it straight to the auction house...

[SircatmaN]

Just because you're a dishonest kunt doesn't mean the rest of us are !

Atleast I'm honest haha. I'm not saying what he did is right but if you are dumb enough to lose a $6500 bracelet and can't be fucked simply taking 2 minutes to report it you deserve to pay for being a fucking potato.

The owner admitted she was wearing one day after returning from some big round the world trip and then noticed it was gone from her wrist but cbf doing anything about it.

And I know that if someone on here found it they would be rolling around with a bit more horsepower haha

[2JZA70]

should have got the serial numbers filled in :)

[TJ]

should have got the serial numbers filled in :)

Why - wasnt trying to hide how they got it or the like?

[Fukushima]

And I know that if someone on here found it they would be rolling around with a bit more horsepower haha

I have a bit more faith in most of the people on here than that.

I would hand it in. If I then got it back and then found out it belonged to someone else I would return it to them. You arn't losing anything that belongs to you.

I guess it might depend on your upbringing - if I get given the wrong change I take it back. If my wife gets given the wrong change it's "start the car" Ikea style... but I'm pretty sure she'd return a bracelet too...

Vandalizing the church and whipping up a media frenzy is a dog act, all they had to do was tell the bishop.

[Phyber]

The friends in media beat up angle makes me dislike the original owners quite a lot. Only slightly better than the priest in my books. Not giving two shits about it but then pulling strings...fucked.

[dnl777]

Fuck me, priest gave them a win win situation and they pretty much threw it in his face.

As far as I can tell priest should have just said no, bracelet is mine and hocked it, would of been better off than what he is now.

[_S9_]

I would have done exactly the same as the priest.

Rich woman loses expensive bracelet and doesn't report it missing/claim insurance - ZERO fucks given. It's mine now cvnt.

[DRKWRX]

I have a bit more faith in most of the people on here than that.

I would hand it in. If I then got it back and then found out it belonged to someone else I would return it to them. You arn't losing anything that belongs to you.

I guess it might depend on your upbringing - if I get given the wrong change I take it back. If my wife gets given the wrong change it's "start the car" Ikea style... but I'm pretty sure she'd return a bracelet too...

Vandalizing the church and whipping up a media frenzy is a dog act, all they had to do was tell the bishop.

agree, its a dog act Priest or not, you didn't do anything for it so give it back.

[Joe]

I can't see the problem.

Legally, the priest handed the bracelet in.

Legally, the priest has possession of the bracelet, as it was never claimed by the owners.

Legally, the insurance company CAN pay out on the bracelet because it is no longer property of the original owners, as it was lost and then never found.

Legally, the original owners could take up the priest on his offer, and they would be buying the bracelet back off the priest for half the value.. they end up with half the insurance payout AND the bracelet. Priest ends up with some money which he more than likely puts into the church's coffers.

The cops did fuck up by not chasing the serial number, but it is what it is... and the original owners then had the perfect opportunity to get it back and pocket some cash. They decided to make a massive hoo-ha about it instead.

[TJ]

Its not the legality that is the issue.

[Joe]

As for not handing it in - I handed in a phone I found a couple years ago. Owners claimed it. Felt good!

What about the ipod your dad found in the park?

[S133LTR]

This priest needs a talking to from Ninja.. pingpingpingping gives shit back to its rightful owners across generations.. Not just within the time it takes for an insurer to payout.

It would suck after thinking you had a winfall but Id give it back.

[TJ]

What about the ipod your dad found in the park?

Handed in, claimed back after 3 months, and sold actually.

No way to identify owner, nor is anyone in my family a priest who preaches the values of kindness and giving and shit.

What an interesting reply Joe.

[Brett_J]

LOL Free bikes for all ^^^

What's hard to find wrong with what he did, regardless of who they are or what hook ups they have, be a decent fucking human being and give it back,

[mARC]

No way to identify owner,

Should have stopped there, don't you work for a government organisation?

[TJ]

Wut.

Fuck this place is on ultra moron mode today.

[Jase]

Apple store can trace owner via itunes

Maybe his legal background was what made him take the 'legally its mine route', should probably have just handed it to them once he was made aware who they were.

Whether or not people agree with what he did, I think te media beat up is a little rough

[RICEY]

How can defrauding an insurance company be legal?

Item is found then they go and claim insurance knowing it isnt lost then owner and priest profit (illegally)

This is presuming no claim was made prior to the item turning up, which I thought was the case.

[Joe]

LOL Free bikes for all ^^^



What part of you can't understand the difference between finding a rusty bike on a pile of discarded junk, and a valuable item?

[SircatmaN]

How can defrauding an insurance company be legal?

Item is found then they go and claim insurance knowing it isnt lost then owner and priest profit (illegally)

This is presuming no claim was made prior to the item turning up, which I thought was the case.

I'm presuming because the title changed through loss, so technically their bracelet no longer exists and it was through loss not sale.

[Brett_J]

What part of you can't understand the difference between finding a rusty bike on a pile of discarded junk, and a valuable item?

FFS Joe, you seriously need to relax hey, Nothings funny these days unless it's you making the joke!

[SircatmaN]

FFS Joe, you seriously need to relax hey, Nothings funny these days unless it's you making the joke!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oniqrAFQ3y8

[Brett_J]

LOLLL
Fuck he was hilarious, was like watching my sister back in her drug fueled days :)

[Tre-Cool]

if i lost a item worth 6500, i sure as fuck would report it to police. I'd sure as fuck have it insured in case it did go missing.

the fact that the original owners did have it insured and did nothing about it = fuck them.

i'd done the same as the priest too or if gold, melt the pingpingpingping down first

[jzx_andy]

he's a piece of shit for acting in this manner - but those who are involved with the institution of the church have done WAY worse things in the past ~2000? years?

that said, i would have sold it and made myself some coin, without claiming any religious bullshit. :)

[Joe]

FFS Joe, you seriously need to relax hey, Nothings funny these days unless it's you making the joke!

Lots of shit is hilarious, shit bandwagon joke that was never funny is not hilarious. Simple as that!

[RICEY]

Its funny if you're on the bandwagon and not the target :P

[TJ]

Lots of shit is hilarious, shit bandwagon joke that was never funny is not hilarious. Simple as that!

Yet you did the exact same thing to me :)

[PHIL]

need to call this "The sandy vagina" thread at the moment

[Joe]

Was a legit question TJ and you answered it.

[Brett_J]

Damn you rockem sockem robots, can't we all just get along !

[Risk10k]

Damn you rockem shockem robots, can't we all just get along !

*Sock'em

[Brett_J]

That's what it says..........

[SSICK]

Priest just needs a good bump to the head for thinking 'it was a gift sent to me by God". Fuckin clown.

[JME]

On the grounds of legality the priest was within his rights. Yes he's a priest. Big fucking deal, this is the modern age. I'm curious how many of those fuckwits that defaced his church actually looked up the legal statement of fact for clarification. Get off the moral high ground and quit taking reported news on face value you fucken hicks ffs.

[RICEY]

lol its the modern age so it OK for priests to act immorally.

Seems legit.

[Baron]

Complete title in the bracelet didn't transfer to the priest by virtue of him finding it, he had better title to the bracelet than the rest of the world, except for the true owner.

It sounds to me like it was the jeweller who contacted the owners anyway, not the priest.

[RICEY]

Legalities aside, Im fairly certain the Bible doesnt say to try and profit when returning lost items to the owner rather than simply returning them because its the right thing to do.

[Baron]

Legalities aside, Im fairly certain the Bible doesnt say to try and profit when returning lost items to the owner rather than simply returning them because its the right thing to do.

No doubt he was morally wrong, I'm just pointing out he was also legally wrong... can't sell title back to the owner when they have better title than you ;)

[-Luke-]

What if it was a muslim cleric named Mohammed that found the bracelet and made the same offer to the owners and they paid up? Would he have made a Prophet?




(boom tish)

[Turboesky]

http://www.naderlibrary.com/ateamamericafix96e.gif

[DRKWRX]

On the grounds of legality the priest was within his rights. Yes he's a priest. Big fucking deal, this is the modern age. I'm curious how many of those fuckwits that defaced his church actually looked up the legal statement of fact for clarification. Get off the moral high ground and quit taking reported news on face value you fucken hicks ffs.

Modern age? the church are still exempt from a lot of taxes because they believe in Imaginary friends....... they get exemptions because of their *moral high ground*

http://theprojecttv.com.au/religious-transcend-both-death-and-taxes.htm

[JME]

....and? There's historical revelence. The churches biggest money earner is in property (and they never paid anything for it in the first place). They hold the biggest land leases in the country. It's still business and extremely profitable. Don't see any moral objections there?

You're going to tell me the owners whom are renown restaurant owners and stout business people felt cheated when the bracelet was found and he wanted financial recognition for it?

Religious conversation is a touchy subject, not keen to argue it, but I just see it for what it is.

[RICEY]

. but I just see it for what it is.

In your opinion.

Not everyone sees things the same way you do, doesnt mean your or anyone else's opinion is automatically correct.

Religion is shit /thread

[SircatmaN]

Complete title in the bracelet didn't transfer to the priest by virtue of him finding it, he had better title to the bracelet than the rest of the world, except for the true owner.

It sounds to me like it was the jeweller who contacted the owners anyway, not the priest.

Not sure if first year law student or have forgotten that legislation overides and states that title is transferred in this situation? Do you even law?

[Baron]

Not sure if first year law student or have forgotten that legislation overides and states that title is transferred in this situation? Do you even law?

You're quite right, there is legislation that overrides the common-law principles (only in the event that the property is given to an appropriate officer; not if the priest were to have kept it himself initially). That's very interesting, and funnily enough my sixth-year law course on personal property contains no references to this legislation (though 'found' property was a brief part of one seminar).

Nonetheless, I think you'll find that disposing of property which has a serial-number engraved on it, without searching that serial number, probably falls short of the 'good faith' requirement of s 34(1)(a) of the Criminal and Found Property Disposal Act 2006 (WA). Alternatively, the failure to search for the serial number means that the officer had no authority to dispose of the property, per s 22(1).

[INSINR8R]

What would have happened if the bracelet was worth fuck all? Probably just hand it back without a fuss.

[R3N]

Moral of the story, don't fuck with rich people and don't be a priest

[JME]

In your opinion.

Not everyone sees things the same way you do, doesnt mean your or anyone else's opinion is automatically correct.

Religion is shit /thread

No im usually right.

[RICEY]

No im usually right.

You usually think you're right :D

[JME]

No I know it.

[RICEY]

That's what the priest said.