Just sayin....

[mr_mike]

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[Lmx]

Fuck bikes

[-Luke-]

Uk Campaign......not Stralyan..... Jus Sayin

[SSICK]

Motorcyclists and cyclists are in the same category for me.

[Riggs]

Why? Do they get in your way?

[SSICK]

Nah, just for some reason they seem like they are more important on the road.

[Riggs]

The same way Mrs Jones hates modified cars & their drivers? Cos, as we know, they are all the same.

[DISTRBD]

Passing a vechile on the inside of a lane legal ?

Give a rider space in shit conditions .. remember a car will need more room to pull up so extend the same courtesy as you would expect in return :)

Moving into a small gab a car wont fit into and reducing the braking distance is fucking retared regardless of car or bike and pingpingpingpings need to realise this .


Stop riding like you pingpingpingpings are bullet proof and life will be sweet :)

[YOUR MATE]

Both drivers and riders alike think similar things. Riders think they are hard done by as do people driving. Whether it's 'oh that rider cut me off' or 'there is space between those two cars'. End of the day the vast majority of people don't give two fucks about one or the other. I treat riders the same as cars and give them space etc. But unlike that image suggests I don't go thinking about how they might out accelerate me from a corner and might want to turn off just in front me, That's still cutting off in my books.

[tinto]

I keep an eye out for bikers on the road, shuffle over if they are lane splitting.
I'd do it too if I was on a bike.

But to say drivers should anticipate a bike appearing at any moment is a bit rich, so that guide can GTFO.
Ride defensively (or offensively in some cases to get clear) if you've put yourself on a bike, you can't expect others to look out for you.

[TJ]

Lane splitting is not legal in most states. And only in stationery traffic here.

[S133LTR]

Shit thread.. just sayin

[DISTRBD]

I treat riders the same as cars and give them space etc.

I find that country folk do a great job aswell as prime mover drivers , majority of perth folks are just pingpingpingpings to deal with regardless of car or bike .

[ho57ile]

I always give space to riders, you wana go on ahead? does not bother me. It is a bit rich though when you look right at an intersection, nothing there, you pull out and head left and all of a sudden some bike has passed you at fuck knows what speed, coming from nowhere, I guess I should be expecting Valentino Rossi on Orrong road.

[DISTRBD]

I guess I should be expecting Valentino Rossi on Orrong road.

If you were then you would have plenty of time to see his slow arse coming :P

[mr_mike]

Lane splitting is not legal in most states. And only in stationery traffic here.

Babow! in slow moving traffic we are allowed to overtake within the lane on the right hand side so long as we indicate if we cross the broken white line.

[DISTRBD]

Babow! in slow moving traffic we are allowed to overtake within the lane on the right hand side so long as we indicate if we cross the broken white line.

LOL like that ever happens ...

[TJ]

Babow! in slow moving traffic we are allowed to overtake within the lane on the right hand side so long as we indicate if we cross the broken white line.

Yes that what is you are allowed to do in WA..

What actually happens Mike?

If I am on the fwy etc and see a bike coming, I will always shuffle over so they filter through.

[mr_mike]

yeh i aint denying it, to be honest i'm to busy scanning the road 5-50mtrs infront of me and trying to predict what that white hyundai up ahead is goint to do to worry about clicking indicator on and off. Then add into this arrogant pricks who think they own the road so will block you off as ur trying to split.

IMO i think the learning to drive test should be much more like getting ur bike lic and alot if not all bike riders who have gone thru the process agree. Your taught to be much more aware of your surroundings as well as using your mirrors and actually turning your head to check blind spots.

[Miggy]

I hate when people get pissed off for bikes lane splitting they are easing congestion so YOU get home quicker!

[DISTRBD]

yeh i aint denying it, to be honest i'm to busy scanning the road 5-50mtrs infront of me and trying to predict what that white hyundai up ahead is goint to do to worry about clicking indicator on and off. Then add into this arrogant pricks who think they own the road so will block you off as ur trying to split.
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Same for me , is the bike coming up behind doing the posted limit or is he doing a buck 60 in a 100 zone . Do i change lanes hoping he has the room or will he end up in my back seat then whinge and fucking cry i cut him off ??

You come across as a fucking sook Mr Mike . Bad drivers in all so live with it ..

[S133LTR]

Your taught to be much more aware of your surroundings as well as using your mirrors and actually turning your head to check blind spots.

Admittedly it was a few years ago now but when I got my licence you were taught to be aware of your surrounding and check your blind spots by turning your head not just using your mirrors.

[mr_mike]

Same for me , is the bike coming up behind doing the posted limit or is he doing a buck 60 in a 100 zone . Do i change lanes hoping he has the room or will he end up in my back seat then whinge and fucking cry i cut him off ??

You come across as a fucking sook Mr Mike . Bad drivers in all so live with it ..

shouldnt be in the RH lane hogging it :P

[S85FI]

Bike... clutch it in peak hour. Wheelie between cars that don't let you lane spilt. Too easy. ;)

[skinkis]

Biker's guide to Drivers

Cars are bigger and heavier than you, watch the fuck out and keep out of their way.

[Brett_J]

Biker's guide to Drivers

Cars are bigger and heavier than you, watch the fuck out and keep out of their way.

Jungle Law :)

[RICEY]

Pretty sure lane splitting between traffic moving at any speed is illegal, post up the actual WA law to prove me wrong.

Not that I care, I always move over for bikes regardless of my speed.

[heavyduty1340]

If you don't like the fact that us bike riders can fit through the narrow gaps and continue on our way unimpeded go suck a dick then or harden the fuck up and get a bike yourself and stop fucking winging like litte sooky Lala's.

If you haven't ridden a bike then stfu as you have no fucking idea what it is like with the arrogant stuck up pingpingpingpings out there in cages - last pingpingpingping that tried to close the gap on me had to buy a new side mirror!

And as for pingpingpingpings complaining about lane splitting breaking the law bla bla bla - don't tell me you pricks haven't broken the law by speeding/no seat belt, skids, modded cars etc etc so don't be so fucking babyish and get over it.

FTW TWF

Keep ya knees to the breeze!!

[RICEY]

Settle the fuck down pingpingpingping!

[duste]

My logic: If I'm going faster than the cars around me (because they're doing under the speed limit, ya'know...), then I'm 100% attentive to the movements of those cars and look out for them, so I don't see how it is any different for a bike who is going faster than the vehicles around them - you (the bike) look out for them (the cars), not the other way around.

Blocking bikes lane splitting is a dog act regardless, though; I always make sure I move riiight over so there's plenty of room for bikes to go through just in-case the car beside me decides to do it.

[cplagz]

If you don't like the fact that us bike riders can fit through the narrow gaps and continue on our way unimpeded go suck a dick then or harden the fuck up and get a bike yourself and stop fucking winging like litte sooky Lala's.

If you haven't ridden a bike then stfu as you have no fucking idea what it is like with the arrogant stuck up pingpingpingpings out there in cages - last pingpingpingping that tried to close the gap on me had to buy a new side mirror!

And as for pingpingpingpings complaining about lane splitting breaking the law bla bla bla - don't tell me you pricks haven't broken the law by speeding/no seat belt, skids, modded cars etc etc so don't be so fucking babyish and get over it.

FTW TWF

Keep ya knees to the breeze!!

First pingpingpingping to think taking my side mirror is a good idea on a bike will require a new kidney at the minimum.

[Joe]

Nah, just for some reason they seem like they are more important on the road.

Not always.. you can tell who thinks they're more important though, its normally the guys who wear full race leathers and gear whilst commuting to work. Same as cyclists who look like they're doing the Tour De France, when in reality, they're heading to their mundane administrative job in West Perth.

*edit* for the record, I'm a cyclist and I love motorcycles, so I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush. I also think there are car enthusiasts who fit in this same "elitist" category, so its not limited to 2 wheels.

[duste]

^ Was out and about last Friday between the CBD and Northbridge, and we saw some chap riding around the streets wearing full lycra and aero/tear-drop helmet riding a bike with full aero wheels... lol'd

[Kilma]

I both love and hate reading these small, closed minded opinions of simple mere mortals.

[[FFOUR]]

...arrogant stuck up pingpingpingpings out there in cages...

Fuck I hate it when bikers refer to cars/drivers as "cages" or "cagers" - almost sounds like they are the stuck up ones to me.

* I used to ride a bike and thought the same back then.

[ossie_21]

So much arguil. Can't we all just get along?

[skidkid]

Since when did AL to into a psb wank fest?

[crabman]

Pretty sure lane splitting between traffic moving at any speed is illegal, post up the actual WA law to prove me wrong.

Not that I care, I always move over for bikes regardless of my speed.

Personally pulled up alongside a traffic cop on a bike at a set of lights and put the question to her on Roe hwy one day. Legal at any speed, as long as you indicate when crossing the white line, although she obviously didnt recommend it in moving traffic. I wish I had a contour camera or something on to catch the whole conversation. I must have been lucky to score a decent cop as I pulled up next to her with a non adr compliant iridium visor, a missing mirror, no key in the ignition and my exhaust consists of a ~4" bit of pipe coming off the header joiner box.

Also illegally lane split up to her which she saw a large portion of, by not indicating, but when I carried on after talking to her I indicated. I was pleasantly surprised by that interaction.

Still can't figure out where the sink and oven was.

[cplagz]

^ Was out and about last Friday between the CBD and Northbridge, and we saw some chap riding around the streets wearing full lycra and aero/tear-drop helmet riding a bike with full aero wheels... lol'd

What's funnier is guys in full face downhill helmet in the middle of summer on KMart "dual suspension" bikes... this thread needs more mad dog pics.

[Riggs]

Many here bitch moan and whine about all enthusiasts being tarnished with the same brush. All and hate being ridiculed and associated with 'clubs' such as ROE by the general public as they know no different.

Turn the page and look what happens. The same small minded bigotry is displayed by those who press so hard at the need to change that exact attitude.

[d1mitch]

i move over when bikes are trying to lane split but some riders think that its their right to do so not a fact that they can only do when safe and in on the right hand side of a vehicle in the left lane. i was on the freeway driving the old mans cruiser where it goes to two lanes i was sitting in the middle of the lane (right lane) and the car next to me directly beside me also a cruiser was sitting to the right of his lane (Left lane) this fat pingpingpingping on his pretend harley cruiser come up behind obviously wants to go down the middle i move over but there is still not enought room as his bike isnt small so he start revving his bike and carrying on like a fucking child.
this was in peak hour so i could go anywhere nor could the car beside me.

and then just the other day was heading home heast west, turning right across john sanders drive from a slip road into woodlands as im half way across the road this fuckwit comes screaming round the outside of me mid corner then give s me the death look when he nearly gets pushed wide up a curb, i have seen the same guy do it multiple times to different people.

on the freeway during peak hour moving approx 20km/h a P plater on a little 250 went belting down the middle of two lanes at approx 40km/h to 50km/h faster than the peak hour traffic, i said to the missus he is going to come unstuck so i watched down the lanes and sure enough about 100m down the road someone changes lanes he lock it up an somehow goes into the gap the car came out and didnt come off but im sure his undies would have been a nice shade of brown. now that rider probs went off blaming the driver, but the driver when they initiated changing lanes wouldnt have even been able to see the rider and as you change lanes slowly because the traffic is moving slowly they couldnt go anywhere.

most riders are good an only do shit when its safe but there is a few that are making everyone look bad

[huggy_b]

2 gripes with bikes - when they lane split to the front of the queue at the lights and then take off like they are dragging a boulder and proceed to cut you off like an arrogant fuckhead and as mentioned above when you look before changing lanes and its clear so you move across then a bike doing 138km/h in a 60 zone appears and then flap their gums about "cutting them off". I then point at my 2 cameras (front and back) and they usually pull their heads in, although I have once submitted video footage of one rider to the police cos he rustled my jimmies the wrong way.

[cplagz]

Hahah you bikers are so easy to wind up :D

Being a cyclist I tend to agree with the bikers. Perth people are slowly getting better and more courteous on the roads, but you still get the odd fuck knuckle who comes a little too close because they don't know the law actually states 1.5m from the kerb ;)

[HANS YOLO]

Lane splitting is not legal in most states. And only in stationery traffic here.

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a quick guide according to law

i haven't encountered aggressive drivers whilst on the bike as yet, 90% make room. personally i ride like everyone is trying to kill me and its worked out OK so far.

the one car that actively moved to stop me splitting was a unmarked cop car with 4 D's in it...he maaaaad

[Sfidz]

This thread is gay.

[RICEY]

Yet to see an actual WA law posted on lane splitting, happy to be proven wrong and like I said it doesnt bother me in the slightest when bikes do it.

[flamo_damo]

Re lane splitting/filtering, one day I was riding on the freeway during peak hour (splitting of course) and saw a cop car a couple of cars ahead. I didn’t want to bring attention to myself (may or may not have been out of class) so I pulled in behind a car and rode stop, start. I did this for a couple of k’s until I saw a Harley ride straight past the cop, I thought fuck this and tagged along behind him and rode straight past with no issues. Kept going for another couple of k’s until I saw another cop car, again I didn’t want to bring attention to myself so I pulled in behind a car and joined the Kwinana car park. I did this for a bit longer until I got neck and neck with the cop, his lane would move forward and then mine until we eventually stopped beside each other. At this point the cop rolls down his window, leans over and yells out ‘mate just lane split’ I was shocked, said thanks and carried on my merry way passing all the cage drivers :P
/CSB

[_S9_]

At this point the cop rolls down his window, leans over and yells out ‘mate just lane split’

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[mr_mike]

Not always.. you can tell who thinks they're more important though, its normally the guys who wear full race leathers and gear whilst commuting to work. Same as cyclists who look like they're doing the Tour De France, when in reality, they're heading to their mundane administrative job in West Perth.

*edit* for the record, I'm a cyclist and I love motorcycles, so I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush. I also think there are car enthusiasts who fit in this same "elitist" category, so its not limited to 2 wheels.

I know quiet a few people who wear all the gear all the time, these are generally people who have come off in the past and had skin grafts etc. While i agree there is some people who wear the one piece leathers yet riding a bike with a squared off tyre there is also alot of people who are just more comfortable wearing the leathers on the bike.
Wearing full leathers on a bike is a bit like wearing a seatbelt in a car, it might not save ur life but it will give you a bloody good chance if you have an accident.

[mr_mike]

on the freeway during peak hour moving approx 20km/h a P plater on a little 250 went belting down the middle of two lanes at approx 40km/h to 50km/h faster than the peak hour traffic, i said to the missus he is going to come unstuck so i watched down the lanes and sure enough about 100m down the road someone changes lanes he lock it up an somehow goes into the gap the car came out and didnt come off but im sure his undies would have been a nice shade of brown. now that rider probs went off blaming the driver, but the driver when they initiated changing lanes wouldnt have even been able to see the rider and as you change lanes slowly because the traffic is moving slowly they couldnt go anywhere.

most riders are good an only do shit when its safe but there is a few that are making everyone look bad

couldnt agree more there is plenty people who think their invinsible on bikes, splitting at 100kph is suicide. i split frequently but when i do its never more than 10-15km faster than the traffic around and i always have the breaks covered ready to stop

[Alt_F4]

I don't mind bikers lane splitting, but when I try and split between their bikes they get all mad.
Hypocrites!

[180SXTCY]

I got no problems with the motorbike riders... its them pingpingpingping cyclists that are 10 abreast thinking they own the joint that pisses me off.... Nothing abit of 3-4th gear blazing past em' doesn't resolve haha.

[cplagz]

I got no problems with the motorbike riders... its them pingpingpingping cyclists that are 10 abreast thinking they own the joint that pisses me off.... Nothing abit of 3-4th gear blazing past em' doesn't resolve haha.

The law is 2 abreast no more then 600mm apart I believe... so basically the entire lane. Don't be such an impatient pingpingpingping

[Yakky Bear]

I got no problems with the motorbike riders... its them pingpingpingping cyclists that are 10 abreast thinking they own the joint that pisses me off.... Nothing abit of 3-4th gear blazing past em' doesn't resolve haha.

lol Friar likes this...

or do what esky did on a morning run, block them all off at the bottom of a valley so they have to stop and lose all momentum, then just drive off up the hill while they are stuck at the bottom LOL!

[huggy_b]

The law is 2 abreast no more then 600mm apart I believe... so basically the entire lane. Don't be such an impatient pingpingpingping

Bloody MAMIL's......

[cplagz]

Bloody MAMIL's......

I prefer FOCIL :D But this is also generally why I ride solo or in a small group... and use paths/cycle routes as much as possible..... I see people riding on Stirling Hwy/Mounts Bay Road and just think "death wish"

[skidkid]

yeh i aint denying it, to be honest i'm to busy scanning the road 5-50mtrs infront of me and trying to predict what that white hyundai up ahead is goint to do to worry about clicking indicator on and off.

Why can't you indicate and scan the road ahead of you at the same time?

[_S9_]

The law is 2 abreast no more then 600mm apart I believe...

Still doesn't make it safe to do so.

[mr_mike]

Why can't you indicate and scan the road ahead of you at the same time?

ride a bike splitting thru peak hour traffic on the FWY and find out

[Halle Terry]

I don't even understand why people get in such a huff about cyclists, is a 2-3 second delay to drive around them really such a big deal?

[crabman]

If you cant flick an indicator switch side to side as you cross the line as second nature I'd be abit worried.

[mr_mike]

i just ride with hazard lighst on its easier

[skidkid]

Too hard to indicate so puts hazards on... Wow!

[mr m00se]

I know quiet a few people who wear all the gear all the time, these are generally people who have come off in the past and had skin grafts etc. While i agree there is some people who wear the one piece leathers yet riding a bike with a squared off tyre there is also alot of people who are just more comfortable wearing the leathers on the bike.
Wearing full leathers on a bike is a bit like wearing a seatbelt in a car, it might not save ur life but it will give you a bloody good chance if you have an accident.

Yep this is pretty much me, full leathers 2 piece for my morning commute. I used to just just wear the jacket and some shitty jeans but after seeing the skin grafts on a mates legs from wearing the same thing I take the time to put everything on. No doubt people think I'm a knob but chicks dig scars not skin grafts and I've already been side swiped once by a van on the freeway.

[HANS YOLO]

If you cant flick an indicator switch side to side as you cross the line as second nature I'd be abit worried.

do you ride a motorbike?

[flamo_damo]

Indicators on a bike don't matter if people can't even see the bike.

[mr_mike]

Too hard to indicate so puts hazards on... Wow!

ok enough trolling as u clearly believe everything u read online, THB most of the time i'm to lazy to flick indicators on plus when splitting thru peak hour traffic i am skipping back and forth over the line every couple car lengths. And when i say skipping back and forth i mean litrally my wheels are just crossing the line or on the line i know its illegal but the bike is litrally moving 300mm left to right avoiding wing mirrors and people who try to block me.
Its hard to describe but anyone who rides will know the point i'm trying to make and what its like in that situation.

[Halle Terry]

Like everything online, there's a lot of strong opinions here on motorbikes from people that most likely don't own them.

[SSICK]

'i know its illegal'

argument invalid.

[Brett_J]

Do motorcyclists become "Cagers" once they drive a car?

[RICEY]

Do motorcyclists become "Cagers" once they drive a car?

lol, cage term is retarded.

[mr_mike]

lol, cage term is retarded.

Agreed, its one of them terms that old pingpingpingpings use then noobs on 250's see it posted on PSB and think "yeah the brotherhood, we are united we hate cagers" so they start dropping it everywhere thinking they are cool.

TBH honest i dont think i know any real riders who use that term.

[wormbo2]

I don't even understand why people get in such a huff about cyclists, is a 2-3 second delay to drive around them really such a big deal?

I think the general annoyance is that when there is a perfectly usable footpath, on the same side of the road, with no other pedestrians, yet cyclists still use the roadside, knowing perfectly well that perth drivers are shithouse at best, it begins to become a bit stupid.

Just sayin...

[mARC]

^ Unless the laws have changed its illegal to cycle on the footpath?

[mr_mike]

^ Unless the laws have changed its illegal to cycle on the footpath?

tell that to the cops riding pushies down the footpath each weekend in northbridge

[heavyduty1340]

If you are going to come up to cars at warp speed and lane split, then you deserve what you get, but if you can weave through the gaps easily at 10 - 20 kph, then what is the problem.
Also if you do this you are a fuckwit as it usually scares the shit out of the driver.

What does shit me to tears is when you see the smart arses watch you coming, and for no sane reason, they "intentionally" drift towards the centerline to close the gap wtf is their reasoning for this? - if you really want to be this stupid, and risk my safety, then your side mirror is "Collateral Damage". These people are who we commonly refer to the "cage" drivers - no-one else needs to take offence to this term as it isn't directed at you.
When Im driving, I will always widen the gap if I see a bike coming incase the car next to me fucks up.

[skidkid]

I think the general annoyance is that when there is a perfectly usable footpath, on the same side of the road, with no other pedestrians, yet cyclists still use the roadside, knowing perfectly well that perth drivers are shithouse at best, it begins to become a bit stupid.

Just sayin...

Much more dangerous for a pushy to be on a footpath compared to a road - have had a few mates been hit by cars coming in/out of driveways whilst cycling on a footpath. Atleast on a road people look to see if theres anything coming.

[S85FI]

ride a bike splitting thru peak hour traffic on the FWY and find out

I just anticipate the indicator just on the of chance a jelly back is near by.


ok enough trolling as u clearly believe everything u read online, THB most of the time i'm to lazy to flick indicators on plus when splitting thru peak hour traffic i am skipping back and forth over the line every couple car lengths. And when i say skipping back and forth i mean litrally my wheels are just crossing the line or on the line i know its illegal but the bike is litrally moving 300mm left to right avoiding wing mirrors and people who try to block me.
Its hard to describe but anyone who rides will know the point i'm trying to make and what its like in that situation.

Totally agree with you and for those that block you I just don't get it. Get a bike if you can't fit.

[Alt_F4]

tell that to the cops riding pushies down the footpath each weekend in northbridgeCops get an exemption , they're pretty much allowed to ride there bike anywhere.
However that doesn't change the law for the rest of us plebs.

[crabman]

do you ride a motorbike?

As long as it isnt raining when I am leaving for work and thunderstorms aren't forecast, then yes, I do. I'll admit it is abit easier to do with my commute being mainly on Kewdale rd and Abo rd with nice wide lanes, but still, ever since that cop told me how to make it legal I have been indicating as a lane split. It's far from rocket science, and as I said, if you can't perform the most basic of multi-tasking whilst riding (even driving for that matter) what are you doing on the road.. This leads onto the whole, if you don't have the brain capacity to drive a manual car you don't deserve a license argument though.

[d1mitch]

i saw a guy riding one of those fold up push bikes with the tiny wheels in full lycra on the road the other morning, many lols were had. now he should not have been on the road his max speed was like 8km/h. i can understand guys riding at a substantial pace on the road instead of the cycle path, but one just dragging along at 10-15km/h on the road is a joke.

its not even the cyclist i really have a problem with its the retard drivers who for some reason cantwork out how to pass the in their little honda jazz and constantly edge at the bike and keep slamming the brakes every two seconds, then when the do pass they touch the opposite side of the roads kerb. depth perception not even once.
it cant be nice for the cyclist, you see them getting nervous when one of these unconfident scared drivers keeps trying to pass then panics, jams the brakes and decides not to, rinse then repeat for a few km down the coast

[kirbo]

Sometimes if I finish work early I'll jump on the freeway just to lane split a few thousand cars. It helps me sleep at night.

[magic1]

roads are for cars, bikers in ya lycra single file. dont be so rude.

[Torquen]

This thread is now 4 pages of gay. Fact.

[Sack]

Who pay's for the damage when a rider falls off after failing to split? The rider will blame the driver and the driver will blame the rider and you both have to fork out fixing your own car for something that you believe wasn't your fault. I don't like lane splitting for this reason but if I had a bike I probably would. (Bit of hyprocrite I know but we'd all love not to sit in traffic)

[kirbo]

Perth drivers are becoming a lot less courteous and downright unskilled. Lane splitting requires extreme caution IMO. If it was possible, I would re-test each citizen for competency to drive.

For the haters; Given Perth's huge population growth & the current road congestion... Motorbikes, fuck even a scooter is the way to go.
Next time you're in peak hour, count how many cars have more than one person in them during peak hour... It's a can of worms. Anyway, threads dead.

[d1mitch]

Perth drivers are becoming a lot less courteous and downright unskilled. Lane splitting requires extreme caution IMO. If it was possible, I would re-test each citizen for competency to drive.

For the haters; Given Perth's huge population growth & the current road congestion... Motorbikes, fuck even a scooter is the way to go.
Next time you're in peak hour, count how many cars have more than one person in them during peak hour... It's a can of worms. Anyway, threads dead.

threads alive... unskilled is an understatement when it comes to perth drivers. they can accelerate really fast in a straight line but one you get to a corner or roundabout all of that confidence dissapears and is replaced with fear and hesitation

[heavyduty1340]

Someone teach the pricks how to merge and how to use a fucking roundabout

[Kael]

threads alive... unskilled is an understatement when it comes to perth drivers. they can accelerate really fast in a straight line but one you get to a corner or roundabout all of that confidence dissapears and is replaced with fear and hesitation

Inattentive is an understatement. Taking major evasive action to prevent being cleaned up by an ignorant, inattentive fuckwit is almost a daily occurrence. Fortunately, I find it easy to read what's happening around me and can usually avoid said fuckwits.

Unfortunately this isn't always the case; as on Friday evening I was nearly killed by a middle aged woman who simply didn't check her path before she decided to do a u-turn, across double white lines on a main road, straight into the path of me.


Fortunately I was able to lay the bike down and slide it under her car, and don't have much to show for the accident other than a broken toe, bruises/swelling and this up most of the right hand side of my body:

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[d1mitch]

^^ fuck me, hope you are ok, is she getting charged for dangerous driving?

what was her excuse after the accident? did you give her a mouthful

[SSICK]

thats pretty shit Kael.

Were you in shorts or is that through pants?

[mr_mike]

i take it you werent wearing leathers or kevlar jeans?

[Kael]

She was charged with careless by the attending officers, 3 points and $100 worth. She didn't seem too impressed by it so I reminded her "it beats getting charged for manslaughter" to everyone's amusement.

I gave her a mouthful and sent a helmet flying in her direction. There were other people, including an off duty cop on the scene helping me so I didn't talk to her again for a while after that.

I was on the way home from the gym so was just in footy shorts and a singlet with a hi-vis riding jacket over the top. Kevlar or leathers would have prevented most of the skin damage but jeans wouldn't have done a huge amount at that speed.

[mys1]

Sorry to see you came off bud - but footy shorts and a singlet aren't smart... Get some big Kevlar cargos and pull them over your pants/shorts, jacket takes two seconds to put on...

[HANS YOLO]

She was charged with careless by the attending officers, 3 points and $100 worth. She didn't seem too impressed by it so I reminded her "it beats getting charged for manslaughter" to everyone's amusement.

I gave her a mouthful and sent a helmet flying in her direction. There were other people, including an off duty cop on the scene helping me so I didn't talk to her again for a while after that.

I was on the way home from the gym so was just in footy shorts and a singlet with a hi-vis riding jacket over the top. Kevlar or leathers would have prevented most of the skin damage but jeans wouldn't have done a huge amount at that speed.

sucks man, heal fast!

what sort of footwear?

[Kael]

Cheers Tyson. I had a jacket over the singlet, so my upper body isn't too bad. Still, I won't be doing that again.

The bike fell on my ankle, and my right knee copped a knock so they're a bit swollen and what not, but structurally everything is fine other than the broken toe and my brand new Jordans which got shredded.

[mr_mike]

Kevlar or leathers would have prevented most of the skin damage but jeans wouldn't have done a huge amount at that speed.

Seen an Ad for Draggins kevlar before they showed wear rates at 60kph on tarmac. Denim would last less than a second but Kevlar would last up to 3sec

[Kael]

sucks man, heal fast!

what sort of footwear?

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo61/KaelDM/IMAG1272_zps8dbbe56d.jpg (http://s362.photobucket.com/user/KaelDM/media/IMAG1272_zps8dbbe56d.jpg.html)

[SimonR32]

I gave her a mouthful and sent a helmet flying in her direction.

I was on the way home from the gym

Roid rage!

[HANS YOLO]

holy shit...very lucky man

how's the bike damage? is her insurance covering all your costs?

[Kael]

Bike I would think is a write off, it's only a $3-4,000 650cc Hyosung and the handlebars, radiator, tank.. usual 70km/h lowside stuff is fucked. She's 100% at fault but her insurer still takes up to 4 working days to "determine liability" - despite clearly being at fault and charged accordingly by the police.

[Kilma]

Seen an Ad for Draggins kevlar before they showed wear rates at 60kph on tarmac. Denim would last less than a second but Kevlar would last up to 3sec
I can attest to and recommend Draggins 110% from experience.

This is the result of a 100km/h off. I slid along on my butt, leaning on my elbows & arms. Lid didn't touch the ground. The Draggins which took most of the punishment.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/10322_285602275516_1808098_n.jpg

And the elbows and arms on the leather jacket from the same incident.
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[Riggs]

Low sided my old 250 trying to be like Rossi on a greasy road years ago. Was waring dress pants, leather jacket and gloves.

Jacket was fine and dandy, gloves took a beating but were also fine. Pants were badly torn as were my legs.

4 odd years ago went for a ride with the Mrs brother, he had on a t-shirt and some cargo's. Told him to at least throw on a jacket but he said "I'll be right"....

Got a tank slap at 140ish and went over the handlebars. Lost a lot of skin, had grafts etc.

More protection you can ware the better. Only excuse not to is laziness.

[TJ]

Given the inherrent dangers involved and the apparent useless-ness of Perth drivers, the more risk mitigation the better I would assume.

[mys1]

I just assume everyone is trying to kill me and dress accordingly

[Kael]

I just assume everyone is trying to kill me and ride accordingly

This. But in the future I'll dress accordingly too.

An ideal situation would be where drivers simply fucking have a look for oncoming traffic before they do things like illegal u-turns, because if I hadn't laid the bike down I'd probably be maimed or dead.

[mr_mike]

I've gone for rides with people in summer and they will be wearing shorts and Tshirt, i'll ask them wheres your gear? usually get the responce "oh its to hot to wear a jacket" i will usually reply "yeah its hot, but its alot more comfortable wearing a leather jacket at the lights for 3-4min than having your limbs wrapped in bandages for the next 6mths"

But at the same time i am guilty of just chuckin on a pair of jeans, sk8 shoes and a hoodie then heading out on the bike but i do wear a stunt vest with back protector underneath.

[S85FI]

I've gone for rides with people in summer and they will be wearing shorts and Tshirt, i'll ask them wheres your gear? usually get the responce "oh its to hot to wear a jacket" i will usually reply "yeah its hot, but its alot more comfortable wearing a leather jacket at the lights for 3-4min than having your limbs wrapped in bandages for the next 6mths"

But at the same time i am guilty of just chuckin on a pair of jeans, sk8 shoes and a hoodie then heading out on the bike but i do wear a stunt vest with back protector underneath.

I'm so bad for this. Thongs, tank top and shorts. Came off once bad.... hit oil on the road on a bend in Cantonment St car park (the Old Parry's Car Park where people turned up for a cruise in Freo). Came off bad.... but still do it today....Stupid. Maybe something for the dumb thread.

[mxracer]

lane splitting is like underage drinking or riding a bicycle without a helmet .. everyone does it , there prob a law that says ur not allowed to do it but
no1 gives a fuk .. unless the cop is just a troll looking to kill time

we all gotta share the road . no matter what ya drive .. bikes do no harm , fkn truck drivers in the right lane taking half an hour to get to speed limit is more a pain in ass then bikes ..

[Brett_J]

In all fairness, I deal with as many fuckhead car drivers as bike riders, but with bike riders my car is tougher, wouldn't be the first time I "accidentally" hit a bike....

[Kilma]

All a y'all need to get over it and move along.

There are dick car drivers, of which I have been on occasion.
There are dick motorcyclists, of which I have been on occasion.
There are dick cyclists, of which I have been on occasion.

I'd be very surprised if anyone here is completely innocent.


This. But in the future I'll dress accordingly too.

An ideal situation would be where drivers simply fucking have a look for oncoming traffic before they do things like illegal u-turns, because if I hadn't laid the bike down I'd probably be maimed or dead.
Get off your high horse. How many "fun" drives or rides (although I suspect this is limited due to the Hyosung factor) have you been on where you directly disobey the law? Nothing drastic has happened so far, but it was entirely possible something could go wrong with dire consequences very easily. I highly doubt her U-turn was done with malice.

One thing I always said when I rode was if someone took me out and it was the 100% result of an accident, I wouldn't want any more infliction done to them than the extent of the law. It's called an accident for a reason. We are all inattentive at some point. That person's moment just happened to be at a very bad time.

HOWEVER, if I was taken out by pure supidity/carelessness, it would be different matter. Regardless, I wouldn't be here to sort it out.

[Kael]

One thing I always said when I rode was if someone took me out and it was the 100% result of an accident, I wouldn't want any more infliction done to them than the extent of the law. It's called an accident for a reason. We are all inattentive at some point. That person's moment just happened to be at a very bad time.

HOWEVER, if I was taken out by pure supidity/carelessness, it would be different matter. Regardless, I wouldn't be here to sort it out.

Excuse me, but the woman who hit me did so whilst doing an illegal u-turn, across double white lines immediately after a merge point on a main road. Yes, she was inattentive in that she didn't perform a proper lookout for oncoming traffic, but I'm pretty sure that comes under the pure stupidity/carelessness banner. It's not like she was pulling out of a side street or driveway.

I may have turned a tyre on wet grass at some point, but I can assure you I've never illegally and blindly pulled across a main road at 5:50pm before.

[Kilma]

I may have turned a tyre on wet grass at some point, but I can assure you I've never illegally and blindly pulled across a main road at 5:50pm before.
Ever done skids on main roads that could have gotten out of control and taken out someone or resulted in your car ending up in a house? A certain movie night in Belmont comes to mind. Sure, amusing at the time, but could have easily gone wrong, and I'm pretty sure most people would class it as careless/stupid.

[d1mitch]

i think kael is saying she was being innatentive and doing illegal dumb shit. which is a deadly combination, im pretty sure everytime someone on here has done something silly on the road they have been paying 100% attention to what they were doing and their surroundings

[S85FI]

i think kael is saying she was being innatentive and doing illegal dumb shit. which is a deadly combination, im pretty sure everytime someone on here has done something silly on the road they have been paying 100% attention to what they were doing and their surroundings

Except the time blue lights appeared doing a mono down South Tce in front of Metro's....