police harrassment ... i think they r in love

[POTTER]

before anyone gets carried away and starts flaming me (fozzy)
can i get your thoughts on this matter because its absolute bul****

this police officer that keeps harrassing me
followed me round all last nite
i was drivin down the freeway 900 metres in front of my mate in the right lane

i saw a police vehicle flying up behind me
to which i was doing 80kmph as posted while he flew up behind me
he pulls me over and tells me i was doing 114kmph in an 80 zone
i asked to see the gun and he goes no we speed checked u
i replied with there is no way you could accurately determine my speed from flying up behind me when ur accelerating and im doing a set speed
he said we got u back when u were near ur mate
i know he wasnt within a km of me at this time and i was doing only 80
yeh he insisted i was doin 114.

i had had many previous incounters with this officer who i know has a grudge against me. so i told him im sick of him harrassing me and making up stuff to try and do me coz u dont like me

i told him to write the ticket and ill see you in court
he argued further so did his partner for like 30 minutes

there is no way he can accurately determine my speed from 900metres away

he made up stufff about the lightploes being a certain distance apart. i told him there is no way i was doing that speed and there is no way he can judge my speed from 900 metres away

he gave me the ticket and i said ill see him in the courtroom

no offence man but this guy has taken it too far
i know there are cool officers out there like dan and giddyup
but this guy is an absolute fool

and after he gave me the fine he continued to follow me around all night ...wherever i went him and his partner followed.

this guy regularily drives past my house
he regularily follows me home and pulls me over


PREVIOUS ENCOUNTERS

11 months ago

i first met this officer when i just got my chrome 19's 11 months ago
and he wanted to know how i afforded this car and where i work. so i was honest with him and told him i am a cultural heritage consultant.
he asked if i was an aboriginal person to which i replied yes.
he then tells me the plates creepin could not be found on the police computer and they are fake to which i presented the right to display certificate. he makes me sit there for like 20 min while he background checks me. of course back in those days my record was squeeky clean
then his parting words were and ill never forget them "when we catch you street racing we will have great pleasure in taking this car off of you"

i never saw him again fo 11 months the night of my courcase

14 hours after my courcase on a friday nite he saw me driving on leach and he actually (as quoted by himself) "flogged it down the backstreets to beat u home"
accuses me of speeding home when i was doing 60,
i did the measurements and i had to travel 1.5km to my house and i was doing 60
he had to travel 2.6km to my house via the route he described
how fast must have he been going to navigate corners adn 2 red light and arrive at my house 10 second after me
and what was his reason or suspicion to do this, ****ed if i know obviously a personal grudge because of the previous encounter 11 months ago and the fact that i won the case
he questions me on my courcase i went to knowing full well the outcome of how it went, he threatens to give me a sticker, quotes "i can guarantee we will see u in a courtroom again"

the following friday after the courtcase he speedchecks me all the way from freo to maccas where i get sumthin to eat then he dissapears
then he waits down the road on the road that crosses with my street
pulls out and tells me im doin 74 in a 60 zone when i saw him from 500 metres away and did 60 on the dot past him (again no radar gun and speedchecks within 100 metres)then argues that my car is too low(when i passed the pits the day before)


what a tool
he always argues because he knows i am correct
his partners have never said much because they know he is bluffing

so this time i let him write a ticket which i will defend in court
114 in an 80 zome is 4 points and a $250 fine

and the most coincidental part of this is that he made sure id get a fine of 4 points because he knows i only have 4 points left
is that suspicious or what?

this guy obviously thinks that a speed check is where you fly up behind a car and whatever your top speed is to catch the car you are speedchecking is the speed that they are doing.

does he think he is einstien to calculate my speed? coz it would be near impossible to do from 900 metres away
he told me that they were doing 114 to catch up to me in an 80 zone
now if i was doing 80 as i was of course he is gonna catch me at 114kmph
what an absolute tool of an officer, this guy should go back to year 10 maths and learn about triangles, angles and distance

on a positive note i rang the police station he is from at 5:30 this morning , asking to speak to a duty officer or officer in charge, yet his partner answered and was very helpfull to tell me when the senior segent or highest ranking officer from the station was coming in to the office, when she asked who was speaking, i told her and i could tell by her voice she froze and said oh ok.. thankyou good bye... and she couldnt hang up the phone quick enough.
sounds like a bit of guilt to me, coz she knows they never had a chance to determine my speed properly

on another positive note an officer that has pulled me over in frematle several times and been very polite and helpfull to me has advanced from senior constable to sergent which i was happy about because he is a great officer and does his job properly

it shows not all officers are bad
just like everything in life u get good and bad
but we dont need those few bad cookies with all that power
its a shame but what can u do

fingers crossed i can have the fine lifted because i cant b bothered wearing a suit to go to court again. if not i am hoping the judge will throw it out

and if worst comes to worst im sure one of u kind folk will drive my car around for me for 6 months

thats creepins life story for police harrassment so far

i know i wrote alot but i had to get it off my chest

any positve feedback would be gratly appreciated.

[Joe]

Best thing you can do is take all the info you have on this saga, to the Police ombudsman. If they believe its necessary, an investigation will be launched and you may see a conclusion..

[ReaperSS]

Hey Creepin,
I admire your patience with this cop ,sounds like your doing the right thing by not "arking up".It sounds like he is trying to push you to do something you would regret so yeah keep playin it cool and do as balistic said and also take down his badge number.

A well known dragracer who i wont mention his name allways now carries a hand held recorder due to same type of harrasment.
But you must advise the cop as soon as he walks up to the car that you are taping him. His harassment virtually stopped as soon as the cop realized this evidence would be used in court. But remember! You must tell cop he is bieng taped or i think you will get busted for taping him. Oh yeah have your voice sayin " before you say anything ,im recording this for future refrence due to my police harrasment" or similer so if the cop says" i didnt know i was bieng taped" and trys to bust you for taping him ,at least you will have on the tape you advising him
Hope this helps man.
Marc

[Miami]

most monile phones these days can do the taping for you.

he's obliged by law to provide you with his officer id number, name, rank and station....make sure you write these down in front of him, so he knows that you'll be holding him personally responsible.

i didnt read all of your post....but i did read the first section regarding the speeding fine. he needs a gun reading to nail you. thats it. not a speedo reading off the car, and certainly no "light poles are 10m apart, we can accurately calculate your speed to the kilometre whilst we're driving by timing how fast you're passing light poles".

police ombudsman is there for a reason - use him. or else, find some legal rep, take him to court, and then when the judge throws it out, nail him for court costs - then take all the other harassment to the ombudsman.

[flupstar]

yeah Ive always thought about the taping thing.

Some cops are alright. I like my local guys.. they pull me over a lot, but have never actually yellow stickered me. They always say ".. fix that zorst.. or we'll sticker you next time"

They know my car very well and sometimes follow me for a km or two.. but never anything silly like that

All the best creepin, I hope it works out for you. And keep your head.. God knows I would have lost mine by now.

-Tristan

[ben351]

dude best thing to do it ask him for his badge number and slap a complaint on him ... nine times out of ten when you ask for a badge number they clam up ... write phone email anyone you can about lodging a complaint dude ... worse comes to worse change ya fuking plates hey make him think you sold the car hahaha

[SLY_SX]

oh and potsy, as a person of aboriginal descent im sure u'll get away with it :flipa: :lol:

[HLUCIN8]

its just cos hes black....
hahaha j/k potter.

without saying to much. i know exactly what happened last night and to add to this.... if your parked on the side of the freeway in the emergency lane on an on ramp what right does a police car have to go past you pull into the emergancy lane then reverse up the on ramp pull up infront of you and ask to do a licence check and question what your doing out this time of night (1amish)???

[Brockas]

Make a complaint to the Police ombudsman. As a person of aboriginal descent, you'll probably end up owning his house, car, land, and wife.

This is the reason why I keep a voice recorder in my car. They are very hesitant to stretch the law when they know they are on tape.

[Brockas]

its just cos hes black....
hahaha j/k potter.

without saying to much. i know exactly what happened last night and to add to this.... if your parked on the side of the freeway in the emergency lane on an on ramp what right does a police car have to go past you pull into the emergancy lane then reverse up the on ramp pull up infront of you and ask to do a licence check and question what your doing out this time of night (1amish)???
Unfortunately, every right.

Police are now able to do random licence checks, which is a nice way of saying they are allowed to pull you over anytime they like, take down your details and ask you whatever they want to.

[RB20ZED]

i have tried to record the police when pulled over i told them exactly what i was doing and i got blasted they made us some claim that you cant record what they are doing due to some act i asked them to show me it in a rule book and they kept blasting "turn it off or i will arrest you"

[ben351]

i dont think you can record some one with out them knowing and use it in court legally

[HLUCIN8]

Unfortunately, every right.

Police are now able to do random licence checks, which is a nice way of saying they are allowed to pull you over anytime they like, take down your details and ask you whatever they want to.

they didnt pull me over. i was parked i had been sitting there for at least 15 minutes

[flupstar]

i have tried to record the police when pulled over i told them exactly what i was doing and i got blasted they made us some claim that you cant record what they are doing due to some act i asked them to show me it in a rule book and they kept blasting "turn it off or i will arrest you"


I would like to confirm or disprove this....

anyone?

[Yipes]

Double demerits started last night too so does that make it 8 points???

[Yipes]

I would like to confirm or disprove this....

anyone?

I took pics on my camera phone of an incident with police and they were full aware of it and said nothing.

[HLUCIN8]

Double demerits started last night too so does that make it 8 points???

it should have been but the guy was to busy arguing and forgot. he only wrote 4 on the ticket

[Yipes]

hahahaha what a dick

[ReaperSS]

i dont think you can record some one with out them knowing and use it in court legally

Thats true ,so if you tell cop before hand he cant stop you from taping him and you can use it in court legally as long as it has your voice telling the cop about bieng taped

[MMM]

what if the cop says no? what do u say then?

[Ess_13]

tell them you wish to have a lawyer present because they wont allow you to tape record the event, that should scare them a bit, although, for a minor traffic offence it would seem a but silly.

[Ess_13]

if that, ofcourse, is why they pulled you over.

[ReaperSS]

what if the cop says no? what do u say then?

Hmmm never really thought of that, i would proberly say "i have the right to tape due to the **** you have put my through ! " If he then says "turn it off" tell him to get his traffic sargent to come and he will ****!

[Ess_13]

Yeah thats another thing, tell him you wish to speak to his superior officer.

Also remember you only have to give a name and address, nothing else, unless they have 'reason of suspision'. If its a random licence check or what ever, just say name and address and tell him you dont wish to comment further, they should just get pissed off and go away thinking you know the law as good as them, and that you are right.

[Jazza]

Wtf cops like that are just wankers...
Yes you do find good cops but its those kind of guys that give the whole Police force bad names! The higher ranking officers should tell them to cut the crap
Hope you fight it n win Potters

[Brockas]

Maybe they pick on you cause they read the forums....

[180 sx]

there are heaps of good cops. But there are few that act like this. Especially if there off duty and still act like arseholes. The best thing to do is to take it to court and make sure you bring a map with you. Present him with it and tell him to show the path he had to follow to get to you. It will show he was speeding, just prove to court that he can lie and u'll be all good after that. Ive heard of many ppl fighting this type of situations and even one mate won against a cop with a radar gun. How good is that!! Kick the fuker outta the force.

My cousins bf was a cop, but he got kicked out for a fight with a dickhead one day off duty, but he knows the in's and outs with a few things. If you want me to pass on any questions, let me know. He might be able to help out!!

[POTTER]

na i think he is just jelous of a blackman driving a rex when he probably has some 198? ****ter to drive around

i have actually recorded this guys regemental number 4 times now and have also made a transcript of what was said each time

and every other time a police officer has pulled me over

my lawyers have a pile evidence on file, so its on for young and old AGAIN

creepin vs police // TAKE 2


creepin 1
popo 0

place ur bets gentlemen, will the police even up the score or will creepin drive again?

someone put on the odds and we will begin

[LAUNCH]

$50 says he WILL drive again :boink:

[TJ]

it should have been but the guy was to busy arguing and forgot. he only wrote 4 on the ticket

At this point this ends... if he hasnt given you the correct fine then it is invalid.

[180 sx]

cop winning : REX
I hope you beat him, but its a tough one!!! You need all the luck on your side

[LAUNCH]

i wonder where the short-handed un-educated replies are?
oh wait, school finishes soon...here comes rexsta and joey

[DRKWRX]

$50 creepin 2 - popo 0

[ReaperSS]

Get him to hit ya! and have plenty of witnesses, thats a good one!
Proberly wont work but its worth a try

[MMM]

i believe some guy over east in one of those ACA stories tried to make a cop hit him... it didnt work i dont think it would work here either haha

[TJ]

i belive that was the following story -

dogs, bunch of dogs

"come on hero hit me, lets go right now"

[DRKWRX]

yer but i actually wanted the cops to bash them!!!! :lol:

[[PIG GTS]]

dude u should invest in a tape recorder and in case this **** happens again (touch wood) tape it and it can be used as hard evidence in court. but the way this is goin if u win again and the same cop does pull the same **** u have in favor of winning as this cop shows jealousy and envy

[[PIG GTS]]

i have been in a case where i have been court for street racing and caught on tape but i pretty much got off from 12-18 months to 6 months. and there was other stuff on the tape which the cops didnt charge me on and were gonna charge me l8a on but thinking they didnt know i have a lawyer and pin me for everything. but i was advised by lawyer that its all imissable and cannot be used.

moral is cops stuff u around and will pin u if u have not idea of the legal system. so if u get court for nething what eva u do is do not say anything till u have a legal representitive ie. lawyer, legal adviser...

[OneJ]

Cops are tops!!

yeh.....

[1JZNOSHIT]

im happy to co-operate with the law, but not when traffic cops views differ to that of the rule books, pits and legal system.... e.g the traffic cop gives u a yellow for having a bov, but when u take it to the pits, they discover its a factory item! waste of your own time and money that is....

learning up on what to do and what not to do is the best defense, standing ur ground for what is right is all you can do.

being a smartass and abusing the system gets you nowhere.....

[SimonR32]

yeah i got pulled over last night... they just gave me a licence check and breath test, said they pulled me over cause of the type of car i was driving, you have to expect they are going to do this

nothing on my car is legal atm, just had a chat and was friendly to the cops and no problems. i realise is some cases this wont work but you will find in most cases it does.

potter is getting picked on american "DWB: driving while black" style

[POTTER]

mite haf to go get a tan before the case
lol
jokes

i dont think ittl get that far
im not really after a case

alls i want is to have this stupid fine dismissed and have a meeting with my lawyers and the officer and his oic.
slap the info onthe table and say this is what we got.
and i hope he wont bother me again

i actually have a good stance with most police officers, just this one station doesnt seem to like me

[absmith]

hey potter just rock up at the court again and just walk up and say "so u think we can make this worth my lawyer's time or should i just leave the car running" i give it 50 seconds b4 u get let off then claim land rights on his house.. must be that time of the year for court cases hahaha

[HotAe92]

its bad to hear certain traffic officers behaving in such a manner.
its good to hear that ur approaching this in such a responsible manner, i know many of us have no where near as much patience.

Hope it all goes well

Jayden

[POTTER]

i have alot of patience
and i do hope it all goes well
but cant count chickens till they hatch

[str]

lol.. goodluck with it again this time round, looks like the cops have a real decent grudge against you and your rex :P

[Slip_]

i belive that was the following story -

dogs, bunch of dogs

"come on hero hit me, lets go right now"

My cousins best mate was the cop that got abused, random huh....

[cplagz]

not good to hear potter, the guy sounds like a pr*ck. On the other hand, if you do lose and need someone to drive your car, I am more then willing :)

[TJ]

i think its time to sell and buy a twin cam accent.

[Brockas]

na i think he is just jelous of a blackman driving a rex
lol c'mon dude, I've seen blacker albino's...

[Twe12ve]

i had the proper legal document before..and what it says is you CANT record the conversation at the scene of the incident, however you CAN ask for them to take you back to the police station and record the conversation. they have to record it using their equipment.

they ARE required to provide you their badge number, name, rank and all that crap...

i was pulled over 17 times in the first year i had my sil..and around 14 times was me not doing anything wrong...at one point at 3am i was pulled over for nothing, they said i was speeding, i said show me the gun, they said - we dont have a reading but we are pretty good judges of these things. i told them - "i dont feel comfortable discussing this here, can i have this conversation recorded at the local police station" - i actually had the legal docs with me saying this was all legit. they then said "alright off you go, just be careful and dont speed on surburban streets".

[MMM]

ive been thinking about this whole cant record unless the person knows u are taping them.. well how can the government place fone taps on ppl and record there conversatiosn without them knowing legally? kinda bull**** i rekon

[mitchy]

you can record it on the scene of the incident, but only if you are involved in the conversation and inform them you will be recording it, ie.. a passenger cant record it.

[mek]

ive been thinking about this whole cant record unless the person knows u are taping them.. well how can the government place fone taps on ppl and record there conversatiosn without them knowing legally? kinda bull**** i rekon


They need a special court order and a pretty good reason i think.

[MX5]

... if your parked on the side of the freeway in the emergency lane on an on ramp what right does a police car have to go past you pull into the emergancy lane then reverse up the on ramp pull up infront of you and ask to do a licence check and question what your doing out this time of night (1amish)???

Well that makes sense to me, I’d expect them to stop and ask what you’re doing.

Since it isn’t a car park and it’s probably illegal (and dangerous) to park in the emergency lane unless you’re broken down. If my car was dumped on the side of the road I’d want the police to stop and check it out. Or if I was stranded with my car broken down, I wouldn’t mind a free lift or borrow a mobile phone from the boys in blue.
_

Creepin, let ya lawyers take on the fight, sounds like you’ve done everything you can.

If anything they could claim the Police officer was raciest, why else would he want to know if you were aboriginal or not?

Also, unless the speedometer on the Police car was calibrated recently they’d need to give 10% leeway on both speedometers. For example; If you were speeding, you could have been doing 114 km/h but you speedo shows 103. They could have been doing 73 but their speedo was showing 80. The speedos on both cars would be legal accurate to current ADRs. You’d be thinking you were doing 23 over the limit, and their “speed checking” would find you doing 41 over the limit, almost double.

Use this to prove that even if they could have accurately assessed the speed difference between your two cars, then there would still be a huge discrepancy.

They couldn’t have been doing 114km/h to check your speed, because as far as I know a Police car needs approval OR lights/sirens to drive above the speed limit.

That said, I think the ombudsman would be the way to go.

I’m sick of Cops “policing” instead of “upholding the law”, it really does the good cops a discredit.

[sikerim]

what if the cop is the superior officer? would any of them do such a thing?

[[PIG GTS]]

not matter if there a normal officer or a senior sargent the still break the rules they dont give a **** but once they know u have a lawyer there grin turns the opposite way

[sikerim]

so basically if you dont have a lawyer, you can't do much huh?

[[PIG GTS]]

not really if u know ur legal **** youd be alrite just dont say nething

[Miami]

so basically if you dont have a lawyer, you can't do much huh?

yes.....you can bend over, and ask for lube.......

[POTTER]

he will be needing lube in the courtroom
i have 2 lawyers onto it and one is an ex police prosecutor so he knows hte system and how the police work

[POTTER]

CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!

took long enough
was in there for a full day

[MX5]

Congrats! Took long enough.

[T-Diddy]

u fought the law, an you won...

respec

[BOSS 290]

CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!CASE WON!!!!!

took long enough
was in there for a full day

Well done.

What won the case for you?

[POTTER]

police stupidity and a good lawyer

and a magistrate who could see what was going on from the first 5 minutes of the trial

[ReaperSS]

Did the cop get in trouble for hassling ya?

[355LX]

Well done on the win, awesome!!!

[POTTER]

plug for my lawyer

david walls barrister and solicitor
0433121507
very good on traffic related as he used to be a police prosecuter
tell him creepin sent u

[RICEY]

;75337']At this point this ends... if he hasnt given you the correct fine then it is invalid.


Wrong. It even says on the fine that demerits are a guide only and may not be correct.

[RICEY]

I was wondering what was up with the dates then realised the thread was a year old lol

Well done Potter.

[Twe12ve]

so what did yo uget now that you won??? anything or just charges dropped? how much were you out for legal fees?

[evil1]

yeah legal fees....$ ?

[iluv2moan]

ill call bull**** cause thats what everone else on this forums said about our cop dramas..seems the approach of choice for antilaggers

[MattyP]

Funny thing now is that the tax payer is likely to cover all these costs. Police have it all too easy. I would love to sue this cop from Midland Police Communications, but know it won't make a difference to his hip pocket.
Congrats on your win

[POTTER]

the charges were dropped

cost was $0 as the state had to pay for my costs

i cant go into any other details as yet as to what i get out of it

Harrassment, deformation of character, malicious prosecution, discrimination case is still pending.
however it will be heard in front of a jury.

[[PIG GTS]]

and these ****s want a pay rise all they do is just drive around
and when you need them they are no where to be seen

[RICEY]

Defamation you noob.

[[PIG GTS]]

lol

[BlueSIV]

I would like to confirm or disprove this....

anyone?

Not sure if anyone else has replied, couldnt be bothered reading the rest. But no you dont have to tell someone that you are recording there conversation etc That is an american law not australian. I dont know the act (survellience act or something) but the guy i was doing ranger training with was a prosecutor and says he has done this on many occasions and won the cases because of this evidence!

[POTTER]

Defamation you noob.

im not educated remember

[MMM]

LOL deformation thats awsome...

[[BANNED]]

Not sure if anyone else has replied, couldnt be bothered reading the rest. But no you dont have to tell someone that you are recording there conversation etc That is an american law not australian. I dont know the act (survellience act or something) but the guy i was doing ranger training with was a prosecutor and says he has done this on many occasions and won the cases because of this evidence!

Really?

Last I heard from my lawyer was that evidence such as this, audio tapes etc, are usually inadmissible in court....

Transcripts however.... :)