Newbie to LS1

[teknoboi]

Hey guys,

Been a toyota man till today. Swapped my 80 series landcruiser for a 2003 VY SS ute. Drove it, and loved the power on it.
Pretty stock except exhaust which is a stainless 2.5" system from the stock headers.

I'm keen to chuck a few grand at it to make it go a little faster and/or handle a bit better.


What's the go with these motors? MAFless tune? OTR intakes? headers? which and who does it in perth? I absolutely have no idea! haha.


Cheers

[Lonewolf]

headers, intake, tune
speak to wa performance

[SSICK]

Mitch @ WAPerformance.

wouldnt go anywhere else.

[Marti]

intake exhaust and tune, go see Mitch at wa performance. if your keen for more power a cam upgrade wouldn't go a stray.consider a stall if its an auto aswell

[Lonewolf]

possibly diff gears too

[teknoboi]

only a 6 speed for me! :D
I'll start buying some goodies for it when I'm on swing, and have them delivered by the time I fly back to Perth.
I'll give WA performance a call!
btw, how does one go about changing custom plates to just normal ones?

[S85FI]

A mate of mine has a VY SS

Cam (big big cam)
Mafles Tune
3.9 in the diff
11:90 1/4 time. Insane for a car that cost 10 k plus the go fast bits.

Smashes the fuel though. He gets about 250 km to the tank.

I think Active Automotive did his work. I don't think he was too happy with their work.

[huggy_b]

only a 6 speed for me! :D
I'll start buying some goodies for it when I'm on swing, and have them delivered by the time I fly back to Perth.
I'll give WA performance a call!
btw, how does one go about changing custom plates to just normal ones?

Swing....FIFO rich - buy a supercharger! :p But go the standard cams, headers etc as mentioned above.

You keeping the plates? If so, just go into your nearest licensing centre with a screwdriver, swap the plates over, pay a feee and put the custom plates in storage.

If the previous owner wants to keep them, I think the transfer fee is about $75 or somthing like that, but same as above put them in storage then transfer them across.

[31-EVO]

OTR, Tune, Diff Gears.

You'll be very happy, WA Perfomance, they aren't loved by many for no reason

[ReaperSS]

Bought mine stock ( full exause only)( Vy SS) took it to Mitch at WA Performance and it was the best thing i did!
Alot better hard shift, better fuel economy and alot more power! 320 at the rear wheels!!

[stumps.]

320? Is yours a stock auto ninja? (besides tune/otr/exh)

That is a lot more than they used to make.

To the OP if you are hand with a spanner they are very easy to work on yourself. When I had mine, I did Cam, valve springs, rods, etc, OTR, diff, exhaust, clutch all in my shed and used a shop to tune. Parts are cheap from the states. speedinc, texasspeed etc.

If you are not happy doing the work yourself go see Mitch for sure.

[Jumanji]

Diff Gears and a blower.

[ReaperSS]

Yep as far as i know its stock just full exaust and OTR . First dyno run got 300, 3rd run 330hp. Mitch said that was more then usual. My theory is that because of the klm's on it then it must be loosened up ??
I had a similer thing with my Torana. Was a mild 308 but had good power. More than it should of for the small mods it had.

[teknoboi]

Yea I can work on it no dramas. I'll just get a tune from wa performance. There's a set of vx club sport headers that came off a VY SS on Gumtree for $100. Worth getting or should I stick with a specific brand?

I'm not going to bother with a supercharger, breaks traction as it is already.

Sway bars?

What kind of power should I expect with these otr/full exhaust and tune?

Any had experience with United's 100ron on their ls1 tune?

Cheers

[ola]

My best mate's LS1 Monaro pulled 331 just with an OTR, Mafless and exhaust.. You should see somewhere in that 300 - 330 range mate. You can still have plenty of fun with that sort of power, before any other go fast bits.

[ho57ile]

Full exhaust, cam, otr, tune and 3.9 diff gears in my sv8 made for a very fun car. 390 odd hp at the wheels was plenty too. Again I can vouch for wa performance, great quality of work and customer service. There's a reason for their reputation.

[stumps.]

Yea I can work on it no dramas. I'll just get a tune from wa performance. There's a set of vx club sport headers that came off a VY SS on Gumtree for $100. Worth getting or should I stick with a specific brand?

I'm not going to bother with a supercharger, breaks traction as it is already.

Sway bars?

What kind of power should I expect with these otr/full exhaust and tune?

Any had experience with United's 100ron on their ls1 tune?

Cheers

Don't waste your money on the hsv extractors, if you do you will change them out before long. (they don't fit with the standard exhaust, you will then realise the standard cat pipes are double skinned and about 2 inch in the middle) eventually you will just do it right.

I had sway bars in mine (whiteline) and the full nolethane kit in my, made handling much better.

[teknoboi]

cheers fellas for the sound advice.

I'll be ordering OTR intake and some pacemakers to install myself sometime next week.

Will do fluid flush and oil change when I'm back too.

I love new toys XD

[S85FI]

[QUOTE Any had experience with United's 100ron on their ls1 tune? Cheers[/QUOTE]

Made no difference on the 1/4. I've stopped using it due to bad feed back from US and Euro on fuel pumps and lines breaking down. Even with the 10% mix.

[RICEY]

My best mate's LS1 Monaro pulled 331 just with an OTR, Mafless and exhaust.. You should see somewhere in that 300 - 330 range mate. You can still have plenty of fun with that sort of power, before any other go fast bits.

Mine made 315rwhp with just a MAF tune and a catback, stock headers and intake :D

[31-EVO]

Because vz and manual :p

[RICEY]

And animal!

[MR GMH]

A mate of mine has a VY SS

Cam (big big cam)
Mafles Tune
3.9 in the diff
11:90 1/4 time. Insane for a car that cost 10 k plus the go fast bits.

Smashes the fuel though. He gets about 250 km to the tank.

I think Active Automotive did his work. I don't think he was too happy with their work.


11.9 with a big cam mmmmmm gay

[heavyduty1340]

Mate - Trecool, myself, shane etc have all thrown $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ at ls motors - make yourself a budget and work from there

Ive been royally screwed until I found honest blokes in the trade so do your research, and ask around for reliable recommendations.

If you can afford 5k, the go diff gears, otr, tune and good extractors/100cpi cat (buy ballistic cats)

If you've got more, drop in a cam as well and a decent clutch as stock will shit itself really fast!!

Wait to buy second hand gear if $$ are tight - pick a workshop, and they may have a customer upgrading, and you can pick up their gear, or put out wanted adds on forums.
Plenty of these cars are getting written off these days, so hunt out wreckers as well - ie holford etc.

[teknoboi]

read up on oztrack tuning mail order tunes. Anyone with experience with mail orders? the non-thai variety of course ;)

[S85FI]

11.9 with a big cam mmmmmm gay

Why?

[stumps.]

Re oztrack - i used steve for tuning on all my cars.

Had two mail order mafless tunes with different cars - free touch ups for diff gears / stall etc

I then used his remote tuning service after installing a cam myself 224/228 cam made 382 HP on WAperf dyno - which was on the high end back in those days (2 years ago)

Can not fault Oztrack if you are a hands on guy and want to do it yourself.

[SSICK]

Why?

Becuase that time can be achieved with tune, otr and exhaust.

[VZ_V8]

read up on oztrack tuning mail order tunes. Anyone with experience with mail orders? the non-thai variety of course ;)

Been there done that, would not even consider nor recommend to anyone ever again, the only thing they have going for them is the price. Not only have I heard a ton of bad reports about his mail order tunes from people in the LS scene but the tune that I had in mine first time round was one of his and was appalling. Wayyy too much timing all over the place up to 7 degrees too much advance in places, way to much fuel, ran like shit on cold starts, to top all that off the knock sensor sensitivity had been reduced to half of the normal values.

Had it re-tuned by John at Street Quick Performance and it transformed the car completely. Not a lot more power was gained but it uses less fuel, runs smoother, accelerates better, is a far safer tune and the knock sensors are back to their normal sensitivity.

Stick to reliable workshops with a good track record. I would recommend SQP or WA Perf.

[S85FI]

Becuase that time can be achieved with tune, otr and exhaust.

No idea, never driven a SS with such small mods. If that is the case, then that is pretty impressive.

11:90 in a car worth less than 10k is even more impressive.

[Bomber]

Becuase that time can be achieved with tune, otr and exhaust.
Taking the Clubbie down to WAW on the 24th to see for myself. "Stage 1" package from AA = 337rwhp (manual). If it goes less than 13.000 I'll be stoked!

[heavyduty1340]

Re oztrack - i used steve for tuning on all my cars.

Had two mail order mafless tunes with different cars - free touch ups for diff gears / stall etc

I then used his remote tuning service after installing a cam myself 224/228 cam made 382 HP on WAperf dyno - which was on the high end back in those days (2 years ago)

Can not fault Oztrack if you are a hands on guy and want to do it yourself.

Absolute waste of money- do not use his tunes or you will pay to have someone else retune it - years ago he may have been ok, but not now days. this has been well proven over many many cars.

As stated, forget the tyre kickers who think they know. /there would only be 2 or 3 tuners/builders over here for ls series - one being SQP, another being WA Performance.


Please ask to get taken for a ride in as many modded ls cars as you can and ask them who did the work, and what mods are done.

There are too many pricks out there charging crack pipe prices for shit jobs - especially around Bibra Lake (most will know which ninja turtle Im referring to)!! - I foond one of his receipts for over 8K for cam, r/rockers, cats and catback and tune from 6yrs ago. Was quoted 5k, car took 3 weeks to do, and couldn't pick up until bill was paid in full or I was going to be turned into punching bag

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd224/ATTNSEEKR/13012009351.jpg

Check out his 3" exhaust on a supercharged 6l that was owned by a V8 supercar driver!! - I actually saw this car when I picked my car up from there, and there was the owner of a well know local car mag there doing a spread on the car.

[stumps.]

I honestly find that hard to believe considering I had three faultless tunes from him personally 3 different set ups.

Granted I have not been on ls1.com.au in over a year and have been out of the scene for the same amount of time, things may have changed but I don't see how you can get worse at something?

Obviously a highly modified car, with very different head / cam / fuel system etc. Custom dyno tune all the way. But mail order mafless on a budget it is a no brainer.

Agreed with SQP and WAperf John and Mitch know their stuff.

[Yakky Bear]

+1 if I ever own something ls powered the only place it's going is to waperf.

[ryanr32]

Had a stroker build for my ve from John at street quick after having actives do a cam package and build me a diff. The diff lasted less than 7,000kms and there was other problems on what was essentially a brand new car. Johns a strait up bloke doesn't bullshit about power figures or the slagging match between workshops he just does what he does and does it well.

[YOUR MATE]

I've heard more bad than good things about Oztrack but that's not to say there's nothing but negativity for them out there. There is something to be said for a local tuner though. Mitch at WA Perf has looked after all my cars for the last 8 or so years, as well as countless friends. Also a site sponsor, which is always a plus.

As far as where to put your money, there is a tried and true "bolt on" set up that pretty much everyone starting out goes with. Pretty much all the supporting mods for a cam package. OTR, decent headers, high flow cats and full exhaust as well as a tune. If you can stretch it then go diff gears too. 3.9's are the way, if you go 3.7's you'll regret it. I had 3.7's in my Senator and now 3.9's in the SS - learnt my lesson. They are a barrel of fun with these mods. Nothing crazy, still driveable and get good fuel economy but enough power to waste a set of tyres or have runs between sets of lights. My economy improved a heap after the tune, too.

[KPWISHN]

4.11's

[teknoboi]

ah cheers fellas, I ended up buying the oztrack mail order pcm, pacemaker extractors, vararam OTR intake. Right after when people started posting it was bad =/ ah wells i guess we'll see when i plug it in and see how a dyno goes. Previous owner says exhaust is cat back only. how well do the stock cats flow? may need to look for some high flow ones. I wont touch the diff just yet... maybe when i blow it!

i dont plan to spend bucket loads on it, just a couple grand to squeeze more out of the engine. 300rwhp seems achievable. I'de be happy with that!

From what i read, and previous experiences, I plan to only get the front whiteline swaybar. Not sure if need the adjustable or non-adjustable.

[SSICK]

you have to let it fart properly.....stock cats just dont cut the mustard. either smash them out or run some ballistic 1000cpi cats.

[RICEY]

Well if youre happy with 300rwhp stock cats will be fine, Im running stock with 315rwhp.

[heavyduty1340]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make the prick drink!

[stumps.]

Have you personally used Oztrack Faedy? Do you know anyone who personally has?

Will be interested to see OP's results.

[Turbo2.6L]

Why?

Pretty sure MR GMH went 11.70's as a bolt on car with the help of Mitch from WA Perf

[heavyduty1340]

Have you personally used Oztrack Faedy? Do you know anyone who personally has?

Will be interested to see OP's results.

Yes I do

All ended up getting locals to fix it up

I don't bullshit and have spent upwards of 100k fucking with these things

[stumps.]

Fair enough

[31-EVO]

Rad exhaust setup Ian.
Apart from a few good local workshops in Perth, it's so much easier to work on your own car, if it fucks up, it's upon your own head, although I understand getting tunes and what not is a bit different, although one bloke on here tunes his own cars and I'm sure so do many others I know of.

If you take a car to a certain workshop, or buy a certain product it becomes your own fault for not researching enough, or simply not knowing any better. Learn by doing, not by the internet, that is half the fun of cars. kimbo

[Tre-Cool]

oztrack seems to be hit and miss for tunes, but then again you also hear plenty of dis-satisfied people from local shops too.

at the end of the day you can give recommendations to people but it's their wallet/choice. part of the reason why i dont say fuck all anymore now that i do my own shit.

[Drift_R32]

Have owned quite afew ls1s now

Good workshop-forgets to plug in thermos after working on Car
Offers to do leakage test and redo head gaskets if any damage was done

Bad workshop-apparently ls guru, advertises everywhere etc
Called to point out that serpentine belt was installed wrong causing it to rub on alernator bolts after it received an under drive pulley, threatens you over the phone

Haven't heard one bad word about waperf
And couldnt be happier with the dealings I've had with them

As For mods
Diff gears-fun,cheap and will transform a car
4:11s don't be weak

[VZ_V8]

Have you personally used Oztrack Faedy? Do you know anyone who personally has?

Will be interested to see OP's results.

I have as pointed out above. My tune was shocking, I took a look at it before it was re-tuned on a dyno over here.

[ASSASIN]

Mitch is the man

[teknoboi]

Didn't think I was taking a risk till after people started posting up bad experiences. Guess will see when I get a dyno readout! On other news, you have convinced me to get either a 3.9 or 4.11. The question is which? Some say 3.9 is perfect for daily driving and 4.11 is good for the drags. How much are we saying for the 1/4 mile? Decisions!

[MR GMH]

Go 4.11's

[Turbo2.6L]

4.11's or GTFO

[teknoboi]

haha ordered.

got into gear box problems today. was getting hard to shift into any gears after driving for 30 mins. Wont even shift into any gears now. When the engine is turned off, it slides into the gears but not when the car is running? Any ideas? Pretty sure previous owner told me clutch was done recently on it.

[Tre-Cool]

check the master cyclinder. if there is nothing in it. the slave has leaked.

[ryanr32]

Is there any feel to the clutch pedal?

[teknoboi]

yeah there is, so I don't think its the master cyl, the fluid was a bit low but nothing to be alarmed about. I noticed when I put it into gear when engine is off, and then start it, the car actually moves. It's going into the mechanics this arvo so will find out soon. Picked up this OTR aluminium intake locally, will get them coated to keep it sleeper look. Oztrack racing's pcm still hasn't arrived. Also pacemaker extractors came too, however will need to get some new cats welded on with the current 3"out of the pacemakers.

will keep you all updated!

[stumps.]

I had really stiff changes in my old box mainly trying to get into reverse and back into 1st. Changed the oil and problem solved

[Tre-Cool]

I had really stiff changes in my old box mainly trying to get into reverse and back into 1st. Changed the oil and problem solved
i put some of that mainline stuff in. wasnt expecting such a massive change on a recently rebuilt box.

[heavyduty1340]

Gotta try this - as my box heated up on Sat, I has two 3/4 changes that were really hard

Rip shifter was a ball tearer though

[ASSASIN]

The redline superlite weight shockproof oil works wonders in the T56 box

[S85FI]

Pretty sure MR GMH went 11.70's as a bolt on car with the help of Mitch from WA Perf

What were the bolt on's? That's a pretty good result for what is relatively a stock car. I've seen other cars down there with all sorts of mods and not that impressive results.

One mate has a LS1 with a massive cam and what ever ignition/fuel curve to suit and it pulled a 11:90. Down side it just chews the juice, doesn't get 250km/60lt. Another mate has a 2012 R8 with a Walkinshaw forced system and only gets a 12.8.

??? Boggled. :(

[ASSASIN]

OTR, Tune, Exhaust, Stall and diff gears.
One thing about Mitch is he will help you 100% to achieve what you want, He is at the drags nearly every week seeing his customers and helping them out.
He lends them drag radials and will adjust anything in the tune while he is there. Pretty hard to beat that sort of service.

His OTR and Tune only VE SSV ran 12.6 auto.

[S85FI]

yeah there is, so I don't think its the master cyl, the fluid was a bit low but nothing to be alarmed about. I noticed when I put it into gear when engine is off, and then start it, the car actually moves. It's going into the mechanics this arvo so will find out soon. Picked up this OTR aluminium intake locally, will get them coated to keep it sleeper look. Oztrack racing's pcm still hasn't arrived. Also pacemaker extractors came too, however will need to get some new cats welded on with the current 3"out of the pacemakers.

will keep you all updated!

How did you go? Sounds like a weak/fractured clutch fork?

[heavyduty1340]

For those low times, I think the boys were pulling 5000 plus rpm clutch dumps, and on slicks.

[S85FI]

OTR, Tune, Exhaust, Stall and diff gears.
One thing about Mitch is he will help you 100% to achieve what you want, He is at the drags nearly every week seeing his customers and helping them out.
He lends them drag radials and will adjust anything in the tune while he is there. Pretty hard to beat that sort of service.

His OTR and Tune only VE SSV ran 12.6 auto.

Mitch dude sure sounds like the way to go. If I was to ever buy an Australian Performance car again I would see this guy. That is impressive. I've actually started to mention to people (a car club that I'm a member of rate WA Performance) that Mitch is the place to go.

That's impressive service. '

[S85FI]

For those low times, I think the boys were pulling 5000 plus rpm clutch dumps, and on slicks.

I've never ran slicks in any car I've owned. Can people vouch for how much difference it actually made on their cars? Are we talking .5 second or like 1 whole seconds?

[stumps.]

How did you go? Sounds like a weak/fractured clutch fork?

Have you seen a T56 gearbox before? LOL

[ASSASIN]

For those low times, I think the boys were pulling 5000 plus rpm clutch dumps, and on slicks.

Both cars are auto with drag radials

[teknoboi]

How did you go? Sounds like a weak/fractured clutch fork?

mechanic took it apart and it seems the workshop that did the previous work for the previous owner had not installed the pressure plate properly. I'll post pics of the damage it did from a dodgy job! it was a relatively new clutch kit too! a new exedy heavy duty is in now, but now i'm back on site. Will report back next week when i'm back. 1500 bucks gone. That was including clutch/brake/power steering flush and supplying the clutch kit.

[Niva]

Well if youre happy with 300rwhp stock cats will be fine, Im running stock with 315rwhp.

fuck assumed you had more than that, car goes hard!

[teknoboi]

Oh Oztrack pcm finally came, it actually was sent via platinum and post office "tried" to deliver it twice but never left a card. Had to pick it up when i was picking up exhaust gaskets.


Went and sprayed my OTR with VHT wrinkle plus for the OEM look. Here are the results.
Took pictures about 1 hour after heat gunning it. I expect it to be fully cured by next week and looking even better!
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5985/img20130415153601.jpg
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2791/img20130415153609.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2569/img20130415153616.jpg

[RICEY]

fuck assumed you had more than that, car goes hard!

6spd and 3.7s in the diff helps, and the VZ only weighs in at around 1680kgs

[S85FI]

Have you seen a T56 gearbox before? LOL

LOL, last Holden gearbox I did work to was clutch fluid change on a 2005 V8 CV8z. and a rattle that the customer had. They had a performance clutch fitted somewhere and the dowels must be smaller in the after market model. The dowels fell out and started to smack up and down the bell housing. The fluid was muddy and what a shit set up to bleed the slave cylinder.

Cracked bell housing lose ebough to get the magnet in to pull out lose dowels.

So in Short... I guess no.

And they look like? ...

[S85FI]

6spd and 3.7s in the diff helps, and the VZ only weighs in at around 1680kgs

7 spd, 3.63 and car weighs in around 2000kg - :D Familiar? Beach rd, night time? ;)

[RICEY]

05 V8 box doesnt have fork either

[stumps.]

ZZM5 as above.

http://image.gmhightechperformance.com/f/17467504+w750+st0/0905gmhtp_21_z+working_on_slave_cylinder+for_a_cle an_fix.jpg

[S85FI]

That explains the reason for the bleeder position. Are they a reliable set up? Less moving parts they should be I guess.

Would suck to have a leaking slave cylinder/ thrust bearing.


LOL @ me thinking it had a clutch fork :)

[31-EVO]

Reliable enough, replaced many though, although most of the cars replaced them on was abused heavily. Once I did was an old bloke, and it just started leaking, shit dose happen

[VZ_V8]

The xtreme clutch bleeder extension makes bleeding them a ton easier.