"Electronic Interiors" - Smart Wiring through house, connecting an iiNet modem to it?

[shifted]

Just wondering if anyone else has smart wiring in their house and thus has come across this...

The house has some "electronic interiors" smart wiring through it, and recently we've changed to iiNet (bundle with Fetch TV). Anyway, we have ethernet ports all over the house so...

Fetch TV requires to be connected to the modem/internet and we are hoping to use these ports in the lounge room where it is
a.) is it possible to get an internet/data signal then to any port in the house?
b.) to achieve this signal, wiring it as per below would achieve this?

Main Data In -> Filter -> Line to Modem -> Line out from Modem into Data In of the control box -> Lines out of box must go to ports in the house? I'm assuming the blue lines are Telephone, and the Grey are data. We tried plugging in some of the grey ones and unplugging the blue ones - shit doesn't work...

We've plugged the Fetch TV thing into the wall after that in the lounge, and doesn't work. :-/

Short of calling one of the EI guys out here at $250/hr (apparently) - just wanted to see if it can be figured out...

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Would plugging it into the Data In and another line for the phone into Line In work?

Anyway - just wondering if anyone else has this sort of stuff at home and knows how it works, otherwise we'll call them up tomorrow. :)

Cheers!

[Gr3mlin]

My oldies have it, used to change it for them all the time.

Your assumption is correct (Main Data In -> Filter -> Line to Modem -> Line out from Modem into Data In of the control box -> Lines out of box must go to ports in the house),

But yours seems a bit different in terms to the one my parents have. So not 100% sure.

[shifted]

Well I just moved that yellow cable to the actual Data In spot, and I plugged in a phone line from the filter to the Line In.

Hasn't changed it the Fetch TV stuff though so unsure. Unless you can only use one Data Out and I need to plug in the Lounge cable into the Data Out port?

No instructions came with this stuff, apparently you only get instructions for the alarm. :(

[skidkid]

I have it at home... its shit

With ours, if you use a port for a phone, it breaks the connectors and you can't use it again for internet.. to get it back to internet you have to install new connectors.. could it be that?

[dmwill]

I have it at home... its shit

With ours, if you use a port for a phone, it breaks the connectors and you can't use it again for internet.. to get it back to internet you have to install new connectors.. could it be that?

That's because the RJ11/RJ12 plugs push down on the outer pins in the jack (1 and 8), so when you use a network cable with a RJ45 plug, pins 1 and 8 don't make a contact. Best to re-crimp them with RJ45 plugs. Frequently come across that problem when clients patch a point where a phone was for years to a data point.

http://plelektronik.pl/user/images/21535_1.jpg



All those grey cables unpluged look like the cables that terminate to rooms where there is a data point. Just bypass the little patch panel there and plug them straight into the iinet router if you have spare ports - otherwise go get a cheap 8-port switch and feed that off the router. Might be a bit of trail an error...till you figure out which grey cable is which.

That patch panel looks like it's just for phones - given the "Residential Telephone Module" written on it and only one data in/out port (that will just be the the split/filtered line for ADSL).

[shifted]

Will try that.

The problem in the lounge room is there is 4 Ethernet points on the wall - these data cables, would they split into various ports on the wall ie. 1 cable to 4 ports or are we looking at testing each one like we have so far already...?

[evo5aurus]

1 cable cant split into 4 ports unless there is a switch in between

[dmwill]

Rip the faceplate off/unscrew it off the wall and see...if they're data, there should be a cable to each individual port. Each cable has 4 copper pairs (8 wires total), each port should have 8 copper wires terminating to it.

If the installer was organised, they might have written a number on the cables at each end for easier identification.

[shifted]

Well then I'm assuming there's a telephone (thus blue) and a data (grey) splitting somewhere on that wall, unless there's just random unwired ports there...?

There's a slab above the lounge so not entirely sure where the wires go but I will look in the roof on the weekend just in case.

This stuff seems great in theory :-P

The other option is to set up a wireless Belkin N router we have spare as a repeater but I have yet to succeed in doing that, the model we have may not be able to do that.

[shifted]

That patch panel looks like it's just for phones - given the "Residential Telephone Module" written on it and only one data in/out port (that will just be the the split/filtered line for ADSL).

That is partly why I was thinking that only one data cable can run, if the internet goes through Data In, then only one grey cable can go into the Data Out port? I will try that!

Edit: This worked! Cheers!

Only now, no one can call us at home and we can't dial out. Feck.

[shifted]

Rip the faceplate off/unscrew it off the wall and see...if they're data, there should be a cable to each individual port. Each cable has 4 copper pairs (8 wires total), each port should have 8 copper wires terminating to it.

If the installer was organised, they might have written a number on the cables at each end for easier identification.

I've felt behind the face plate... there is no cabling at the back of that. It's like a microchip/switchboard or something. The cable heading out of the port is the one travelling wherever it goes into the house.

[cplagz]

Line In will be where your incoming telephone line comes in, so if you have unplugged it that's why you can't get a dial tone. you can always "bell out" the ports with a looped RJ45 plug and another looped plug connected to a multimeter to test for continuity. Then you know which port on the wall corresponds to which room port.

[shifted]

Got it working - the iinet phone doesn't work but the other phones in the house do. :)

The alarm telephone line was making a shitload of noise on the phone though so I'll have to look at that now.

I don't get why there are so many data cables if you can only use one port though... I'm guessing these switchplates are interchangeable though so really if it was upgraded then all could be plugged in and working.

[cplagz]

You should run a c101 filter on the alarm line if it's the same as adsl

[shifted]

So a different filter to what comes with your ADSL kit from a company?

Will have a look :-)

[Lasoya]

Have you got a router? plug the grey cables into router and you will get data to each port in house

[shifted]

Thought about that but the cables aren't long enough, I'll try pull them through though. :)

[cplagz]

If you have a monitored alarm system on the same line as the ADSL, the shitty wall plug filter will not do the job. You need one of these installed where the line comes into the house.
http://media.netcomm.com.au/public/assets/image/0018/18081/C10100E_new.jpg

www.c10.com.au - C10100E (i think the C10100P might be a newer model)

Then you can use these to extend cables into router.
http://images.madeinchina.com/seller/product/AE97B7D55D2F00BCE040007F0100118E/666/7667666_5.bak.jpg

[evo5aurus]

any central splitter will do, c10100e is just what telstra techies install. you can also cut both ends of your cat5/6 and just join 2 cables together instead of using those plugs or buy longer cable.

[shifted]

Cheers Marc, I'll have a look into those.

Cutting cables seems like a waste of time if you can put a cheap connector in, and I'm not going to waste time finding each cable in the roof, figuring out where it goes and how long it is and replacing it for the sake of 10cm. I should get some extra length out of it by maneuvering the cable a little differently inside the box though and it may be enough. We only really need the one port that currently works anyway, the other ports working are just a benefit really. :)

Will get that replacement filter thing! :)

[cplagz]

any central splitter will do, c10100e is just what telstra techies install. you can also cut both ends of your cat5/6 and just join 2 cables together instead of using those plugs or buy longer cable.

There's a reason telstra recommend the C10100E's ... I've had a mate using a china spec central splitter and then installed a C10100E and increased his sync speed from 2mb to 12mb..... not saying that this will do the same for you, but yeah. I only recommend using what I use myself.

Can you mount the iiNet modem inside the white framework? It looks to me like there is a heap of cable available in behind.

Also make sure the splitter goes in where the line enters the house, ie, before it is terminated to any phone ports.

[AndyDent]

I have exactly that same module in my house, which I bought last year and of course came with zero instructions and single and double points all over the house.

I took the panel off - here's a photo of the traces on the back.https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/73/f1/9a/73f19ad23e389b2c463f0443eea05d4f.jpg

If you zoom in you can see some interesting connections, it seems like the majority of ports are all ganged together, every pin.

The Line In to which you have your yellow phone line plugged feeds to all those combined ports.

The Data in/Data Out pair are just connected together on the back of the box, I think they just act as a simple patch so you could take one line from your router and run it to another in the house.

In short, joining all the wires together like this works for phones but it's not a true patch panel you could use to interconnect points.

Caveat - I'm a software developer who only knows a small amount about networks and cabling, above is based on observation rather than a deep theoretical knowledge.

[Sebdullah]

Holy fucking thread revival