North Korea

[ReaperSS]

I have been watching this pretty closely in the last few weeks and now it looking like its the hottest its been for many years. North Korea making videos of USA burning etc

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Now it looks like Japan may face another nuke attack thanks to the good ole USA having a base there.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/21/us-korea-north-attack-idUSBRE92K02W20130321


What are your thoughts. Recon a nuke war will start?

If so i would thing all out WW3 may begin as china and Russia may step in.

I must give it to the North Koreans, got some serious balls to poke sticks at the USA. It will be suicide if NK send a nuke off

[Tre-Cool]

I think the NK nuked a us base nearby then China would give them a smack down.

There is nothing for the yanks to gain by bombing the shit out of NK, where as Iran/Libya is a completly different story.

[Evman]

Personally I think that if NK attack America China may step in against NK. China has a lot to lose if the US falls. It also has a lot to lose if it attacks the US and loses.

I used to believe that it would be either NK or Pakistan to launch the first nuke. Now I'm pretty much convinced it'll be NK.

[DRKWRX]

do North Korea even have Nukes? Obama has just said if Iran try and make a nuclear weapon they will take Military action if they need too. North Korea are a bunch of muppets.

[Gr3mlin]

do North Korea even have Nukes? Obama has just said if Iran try and make a nuclear weapon they will take Military action if they need too. North Korea are a bunch of muppets.

I think their is no doubt they do, I think it's more along the lines of do they have proper delivery vehicles for them.

The way things have been going lately, wouldn't be surprised if China moves against NK.

[MadDocker]

They also have one of the worlds largest stockpiles of chemical weapons apparently.

It's news.com.au so take it for what it's worth but here is a link - http://www.news.com.au/world-news/experts-say-myth-clouds-reality-of-north-koreas-true-military-capabilities/story-fndir2ev-1226596260281

[j3rk]

In that article:

The North has responded angrily to reports that the United States has flown B-52 bomber sorties over the Korean peninsula as part of the annual military drills with South Korean forces.
Says it all really. NK got excited and threatened the US, US turns around and shows facts that B-52s have flown straight over un-sighted.
Game. Set. Match. US.

http://ploughshares.org/world-nuclear-stockpile-report
They'd have to be retarded to do it.

[Jumanji]

I think most people are right in saying that China would step in and fuck NK up if they tried attacking America. I would say that China would be in the midst of getting ready now to be honest.

[Evman]

http://funnypicturesplus.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/funny-kim-jong-un-meme.jpg

The problem with dictatorships and the like is the leaders often think themselves king of the world, not just of their own country. There are several countries with a chip on their shoulder trying to prove themselves as a formidable force. It's only a matter of time before a nuke is detonated

[Jumanji]

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/292/f65/b33/resized/top-gun-meme-generator-we-re-gonna-free-the-hell-out-of-you-80b84b.jpg?1340677318.jpg

TEAM AMERICA - FUCK YEAH!

[ReaperSS]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/11/opinion/lind-north-korea

[ReaperSS]

US intensifies pressure on China over North Korea

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/03/21/kore-m21.html

[d1mitch]

china will definitely tell NK to pull their heads in. china is a booming business and cant afford to cut ties with the western world

[ReaperSS]

If it happens it will be in the next few days i would think

[Buckets]

It will be just like the other great political crisis of our time (The Australian Labor Party) there will be huffing & puffing and all kinds of shit talk but when push comes to shove the status quo will remain.

[Adr3naL1N]

China is NK's only ally. China are stuck on the middle here. Its why the USA reach out to china for assistance in the situation. China dont want a war with the USA at all, tensions between those two have be loosend alot over the least 20 years and has been coming good. But they also probably dont want to completely abandon NK either.

China would definitely play a big part in whatever goes down however!

[Jase]

Its hard to tell whats actually happening ever, but by the looks of it China is a bit over NKs shit after the last few years. You would think that if NK did try fire something off, China would cut all ties and seek to isolate itself from them, or apply bulk pressure to stop their shit. ...Well economically that is what would make sense.

One other issue for China is that they will be flooded with refugees if anything happened.

[ReaperSS]

If NK let off a nuke. USA will drop a few killing everyone i would think

[benjamino]

There's been alot of this shit going down lately, one of the better explanations of the situation:

"China is that guy at a party who is sensible, and wants everyone else to think he is cool. But he also brings his younger, drunk, boisterous and slightly retarded brother, North Korea to the party. He causes a scene and acts like a spoilt fucking child when nobody pays attention to him, and makes his older brother look like a dick, and nobody takes either of them seriously."

NK has been pushing this shit for a while now, there's definitely been an escalation as such, and the South isn't being as much of a bitch in regards to retaliation as it once was. I kind of just hope that NK does something, so the US can rain down a fuckton of freeedom and basically bring Nuclear holocaust to their doorstep and it can be over and done with.

[RICEY]

Meanwhile the Muslims take over the world while we watch US vs NK

[schnoods]

Until I watched this Doco, I assumed North Korea were going to be a threat as much as Iraq was/is/weren't.

It is safe to say, that if shit got real, I dont think anything would really happen that the US couldnt deal with. It is quite laughable.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24R8JObNNQ4

[bmgtz]

send all the abos and muslims to NK.....then the north koreans will nuke their own country just to escape the shit they bring with them

[Nic_A31]

Nukes are a low risk pissing contest between the West and the East. There's a term 'Mutually Assured Destruction', both sides have enough fire power to wipe the other out (or inflict extremely large damage to) very quickly, likewise they also have equally as important surveillance, either side could respond almost instantly.
"Quick Response" forces can typically deploy anywhere in the world in less than 24 hours, if either side wanted to 'get that shit crankin'. WMDs take a couple of hours to hit their target. Slightly longer than the enemies response time.

[beatle]

Needs more Dennis Rodman.

[Turboesky]

http://www.american-buddha.com/ateamamericafix134k.gif

[Denver]

One other thing most people seem to have missed. And a book called cyber war covered recently.

Nk setting off a nuke will piss off the world and see them punished. But. Collaterally they have sfa to lose.

However they do have one of. If not the biggest hacking group of any country.

On the scale of who has what to lose if it came down to a war as such. The states and most western countries will be punished by the like of Nk if they start bringing down the networks of the world. Imagine the chaos caused if they took out the banking. Transport and power system the US have, and it's entirely possible given how wired and reliant the likes of the US/UK and even Aus are.

They might not inflict much in the ways of casualties in a real war. But a cyber war they could demolish all and be relatively unscathed. Given NK isn't all that connected or reliant on the net as we know it.

The western world knows this too. So they have up tread lightly no matter what happens.

[Evman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24R8JObNNQ4

Just watched that through. Fuck. That. Shit. A whole country brainwashed like that.

Then I gots to thinking... What if we're brainwashed, and they're normal???

[Miggy]

Then I gots to thinking... What if we're brainwashed, and they're normal???

We are, just not to that extent.

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Note that the video would be over 20 years old and not much has changed has it....

[YOUR MATE]

The VICE doco's on NK are astounding. The entire country, and even NK slaves in Siberia, all think they are integral pieces of the machine striving for the greater good. Nothings questioned, perfectly normal to work in a giant banquet hall once a year setting and unsetting tables as if it was fooling people. Hard to come to grasps with.

It's like The Invention Of Lying. Leader said so, why wouldn't it be the case? Carry on being "normal"..

I was talking to a friend about all this the other day, how NK are pushing things to the limit by being batshit crazy. My prediction is within a year something will happen. Whether they throw the first punch of the other big hitters just get sick of the retard in the corner running his mouth, time will tell.

[Fukushima]

China is NK's only ally. China are stuck on the middle here. Its why the USA reach out to china for assistance in the situation. China dont want a war with the USA at all, tensions between those two have be loosend alot over the least 20 years and has been coming good. But they also probably dont want to completely abandon NK either.

China would definitely play a big part in whatever goes down however!

BF2 and BF4 have USA and China factions... so I think you are wrong

[viet_boi]

Guess North Korea has nukes and is up there with the rest of the world, they even had the first man in space for them.
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[suburban]

its crazy how brainwashed they are

reminds me of that movie 'the village' - no idea about the outside world

[MadDocker]

China like NK because they can use them to piss off the rest of the world while seemingly being removed. If China wants to see Americas reaction to threats, testing etc. or see tactics, equipment etc. in aciton, NK turn it on and China watches while sitting back and stating that don't condone NKs actions.

Pretty sweet deal for them really.

[Evman]

Applicable, and pretty gut wrenching coming from a first person perspective


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdxPCeWw75k

[Miggy]

New Vice Doco on Iraq

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[ReaperSS]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/breaking-news/n-korean-leader-inspects-special-forces/story-e6frg13l-1226604016856

[ReaperSS]

North Korea training an army of computer hackers to launch cyber attacks

http://www.perthnow.com.au/lifestyle/technology/north-korea-training-an-army-of-computer-hackers-to-launch-cyber-attacks/story-fn7bsj10-1226605278059

[MadDocker]

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/asia/n-korea-says-it-has-cut-military-hotline-with-south-used-for-operating-industrial-complex/story-fnh81fz8-1226608038691

[Evman]

Shit's going down in the North

[Damo 69]

kim jong un is such a douche

crazy how many movies / games have been made about a scenario of NK invading the USA. Homefront the game on Xbox - pretty awesome, Red Dawn basically a water down version of tommorow when the war began but 'murica rised and gay etc

[Stealthed]

Scary how the game HomeFront's opening cinematic was a little true in the sense of Kim Jong Il dying and his son taking over, they weren't far off with the times.

[SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUS]

Nuclear Warfare is an incredibly scary situation.

To think that another country could completely wipe out another and have it inhabitable for who knows how long is fucking mental.

[evo5aurus]

Nuclear Warfare is an incredibly scary situation.

To think that another country could completely wipe out another and have it inhabitable for who knows how long is fucking mental.

we actually do know how long. it is relatively safe after just a few days, obviously depends on weather and shit but fallout from a bomb is nothing compared to fallout from a reactor.

[ReaperSS]

Not so sure about that. Ever been to the montebello islands? You still cant spend more then 1 hour on the spot even after over 50yrs ago

[Damo 69]

just look at pictures of hiroshima and nagasaki these days - bursting metropolis

[ReaperSS]

Problem is that how many people after the war died from horrible cancers etc.

The monte's bomb was in the 60's. 20yrs after so the radiation would be stronger then say hiroshima and nagasaki.
Either was i wouldnt want to live there for around 50yrs

[ReaperSS]

http://montebello.com.au/atomic_tests.html

[Evman]

Air bursts deliver significant casualties but minimise long-term radioactivity. Ground troops can safely move in after a few breezy days and some potassium iodide tablets.

[waxdass]

Problem is that how many people after the war died from horrible cancers etc.

The monte's bomb was in the 60's. 20yrs after so the radiation would be stronger then say hiroshima and nagasaki.
Either was i wouldnt want to live there for around 50yrs

Quiet safe actually. Radiation levels are down to background (everyday levels)

http://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q5838.html

[Stealthed]

http://montebello.com.au/atomic_tests.html

They made a documentary on animal species living after the tests, it was very good.

I think it was called, "Godzilla"

[ReaperSS]

Some of the sizes of red emperors and coral trout make me wonder lol.
My mates clean up there. Some huge fish there!

[schnoods]

I would take the stats of the article very lightly, North Korea would only have outdated crap and i wouldnt be surprised if the majority of their weapons, arms and vehicles didnt operate. Hell they tried to launch a missile not to long ago and it failed miserably. Chemicals on the other hand is what makes it scary.

[Tre-Cool]

the fact that nk struggles to feed its population with food supplied from the usa.how do they plan to feed a mobile army during an invasion

[evo5aurus]

Problem is that how many people after the war died from horrible cancers etc.

The monte's bomb was in the 60's. 20yrs after so the radiation would be stronger then say hiroshima and nagasaki.
Either was i wouldnt want to live there for around 50yrs

yeah i think this is a bit of popular misinformation, the most dangerous radiation comes from particles with very short half lifes (ie they decay quickly). If you were within the blast radius the chance of contracting cancer is significantly increased but for people moving back in(ie to repopulate), with exception for very isolated "hot spots" (regions contaminated by long half life isotopes), the area would be well and truly safe after a year and safe enough after a couple of weeks

[Damo 69]

I would take the stats of the article very lightly, North Korea would only have outdated crap and i wouldnt be surprised if the majority of their weapons, arms and vehicles didnt operate. Hell they tried to launch a missile not to long ago and it failed miserably. Chemicals on the other hand is what makes it scary.

all they need is a few million people who are passionate and love "the leader" with AK47's and they will make pingpingpingpings piss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPpv9lAtr8M

[Evman]

the fact that nk struggles to feed its population with food supplied from the usa.how do they plan to feed a mobile army during an invasion

Kill half to feed the others?

[RMCprime]

Sooner or later China will step in and tell North Korea to behave

[schnoods]

all they need is a few million people who are passionate and love "the leader" with AK47's and they will make pingpingpingpings piss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPpv9lAtr8M

Maybe, but a couple of daisy cutters would let them know shit is getting real. Could be the best troops in the world but they're still human and its not like they are fighting a rebel or guerrilla war, a nation is alot easier to cut down to size when there is less filtering of innocents.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L220pSDJuTI

[bjohnson]

The NK Military is a joke! They are literally starving to death along with the rest of the population.
It was only the waves of Chinese troops that made it tougher in the Korean war and I can't see them rushing to their side this time.
The soldiers that you see are the only ones that actually get fed. Pretty sure that in the last few weeks a regiment of border (China) troops killed their commander and made a run for the border (they were promptly sent back where they and 3 generations of their family will die in labour camps). Apparently most of the army is surviving on crops that they are growing themselves, I'd go so far as to say they are probably praying for
an invasion so that they can surrender.

They have mobile weaponry that they can't afford to move (fuel), same goes with their aircraft which they only ever fuel with pretty much fumes because everytime the pilots get decent range they just defect to SK. The US and SK have had 50 years to pinpoint exactly where their artillery is hidden. Not to mention the US 7th fleet is parked right on their doorstep. I'd say they would get minutes before the US, Japan, & SK unleashed hell.

Apparently the scenario the US/UN are predicting is that the regime is on the verge of collapse (hence the crazier than normal threats). I read that they've been planning how long it would take them to move in and secure all the nuclear materials.

[Evman]

I read that they've been planning how long it would take them to move in and secure all the nuclear materials.

They probably have procedures/plans/outlines for this with regards to most nuclear countries. Not with intent on invasion as such, but more to prevent it falling into the hands of invaders.

[viet_boi]

U.S has flown stealth bombers into the SK just incase anything happens. Shit should get interesting real soon.

[SircatmaN]

The US bombers were sent in to protect our international common interest, SBS PopAsia.

[Gr3mlin]

Everytime I hear anything of NK, I think of this :D


http://youtu.be/lwoSFQb5HVk

[failgts]

NK send a nuke over to the west coast, The US intercept that shit, knock it out. US bombers/Missiles destroy important goverment buildings & military installations minimalising civilian casualties. China & the rest of the world further distances itself from NK and eventually starves them out of existence.

NK are embarrased, military organisation takes a hit, nuclear holocaust is averted, costly ground-war prevented & US get to show there strength & humility, yanks wave flags and drop confetti from rooftops and continue on with their delusions that everything in the world is ok.

[ho57ile]

^^ Reminds me of this.

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[crabman]

Is it just me or does everything in North Korea from the 60's... Those guns on top of those tanks... The actual film camera's the NK people use, hell even the footage of their long range rocket command center looked more like the NASA set from apollo 13.

[GTREA]

Lol at the North Koreans.

Thinking they can take on the USA with a conventional army and tactics, however large there army and machines may number.....ask Sadamn how that worked out for him.









........Oh yeah.

[Fryman]

guys in the off chance you want to learn how north korea works... this is a very interesting documentary.

People dont realise how 'unique' that place is.

A very good watch... before and if the shit hits the fan..

http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3

[YOUR MATE]

That Vice guide has been brought up a few times and it really does show how fucking -mental- the lot of them are. Especially those in power.

NK been in the news a whole bunch the last few days. Have severed ties with the South completely not allowing SK workers to cross the border. Even though they're technically still at war and just in a cease fire, people could still cross border at parts for trade or work. Not anymore. Mighty Leader has put out press photos of him in a bunker with screens and maps behind him stating things like Mainland US Attack Strategy etc. Big military rally where they got soldiers/pensioners/school kids in military uniforms to show support for the cause.
Some people might brush it off as just staging a show of force with whoever they can find but really the NK people seriously believe that Kim Jong is god, and will do whatever he requests. It's all they know.

I personally think that NK would be a formidable force if you were to enter their territory in a Desert Storm type scenario. They have just an utter fuck tonne of soldiers and tanks, everything is underground and they are brainwashed into thinking they are doing the right thing. But anything remotely tactical by the US and it's game over. They will fuck-shit-up.

Unless he pulls his head in and soon I think Kim Jong will be looking down the pointy end of a cruise missile in the very near future. As laughable as his threats of launching missiles to the US mainland might be (and LOL at some console he's sitting at, has an old school Galaxy satellite on top of it by the looks!) you don't keep making threats against a country that wants you gone to begin with.

[failgts]

They've gone bonkers. Overnight they declared a state of war with South Korea & threatened Nuclear action upon any provocation. They've torn up the armistice & called an end to the ceasfire.

*Grabs popcorn*

[Buckets]

They've gone bonkers. Overnight they declared a state of war with South Korea & threatened Nuclear action upon any provocation. They've torn up the armistice & called an end to the ceasfire.

*Grabs popcorn*

Nothings going to come of it all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/30/world/asia/in-pyongyang-bluster-fakery-and-real-risks.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

It's a game they've played several times now, they can bark and bark all they want but they know deep down once they bite it's game over for them.

[n1ghth4wk]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/world/glimpse-of-north-koreas-plan-of-attack-on-us/story-fnhrvhol-1226609165555

[bjohnson]

Apparently there have been massive troop and weapon movements in the last few days.

I think it may have started out as the usual jimmy rustling but it's escalated too far now and he's backed himself into a corner with his own country and the rest of the world.
It all depends how they deal with it from here. They've got everyone so on edge that all it's going to take is for someone to do something stupid to tip it over the edge.

[ReaperSS]

Not far off now...

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/world/glimpse-of-north-koreas-plan-of-attack-on-us/story-fnhrvhol-1226609165555

Fuck sorry, just seen it was posted..

[Tre-Cool]

as long as i can watch some decent coverage of shit getting blown up and pingpingpingpings getting blown apart on free tv ill be happy.

[Damo 69]

its on mainevent tonight for $69.95

[TJ]

I suspect America probably wants them to go to war so they can assign NK some "freedom"

If they had oil it would of happened 20 years ago.

[Buckets]

I suspect America probably wants them to go to war so they can assign NK some "freedom"

If they had oil it would of happened 20 years ago.

Why would the US want to spend more of the money they borrow from China on bombing the crap out of a country China's been propping up for decades with nothing to gain from it.

(Yes I know there would be a "boom" pardon the pun in munitions spending and other defense related shit and the US would get a good chunk of the reconstruction work which would help the US economy but surely they've got more important things to do that spend what they have given the recent budget cuts on something that won't benefit them)

[TJ]

You cant buy that sort of publicity though - the American war machine has always been as much about appeasing public opinion as it has been actually doing something meaningful

[Brett_J]

The UN or someone will want peace talks so it doesn't escalate into a full blown war.
Kim Jong will claim the Americans were afraid and go back into his box for a bit.

[mr_mike]

channel 7 and 9 must be spewin this has started during football season. I mean what do you report on possible nuclear/chemical war or that Nic Nataoonloee is wearing his left sock higher than his right.

[crabman]

Planning a holiday to South Korea in July... Hope I can still go to the DMZ without it being the MZ

[DRKWRX]

America need to be in war to keep their economy going.

[YOUR MATE]

Funny how the piss taking attitude of the news.com related websites has changed to a more serious tone literally overnight. Don't want to be caught making light of a bad situation should shit go south.


Seewhatididthere?

[Ph03NiX]

Twitter feed from Reuters about NK

http://live.reuters.com/Event/North_Korea

[JBAE]

would love to go to the border area on one of those little tour things and throw a grenade over the fence! and walk away and watch the shit fly and be like "yep! I caused that" :)

[failgts]

The thing that gets me is nobody is taking them all that seriously. Remember the boy who cried wolf?

[S85FI]

America need to be in war to keep their economy going.

Too true.

Last time I looked they had a pretty antiquated navy, and an Airforce way out of date. In saying that a few Mig 29 would do some damage - but not the distance they would have to travel. If they were set up for attacking and not as they are for defensive moves then maybe they may take out a few US planes. If they did have the logistics ability then maybe some grieve to the Western world.

What will the UN do? Place sanctions on their economy, instruct other countries not to buy or sell their products.

BAM... their people starved even further, 10 years later their leader capped by their own.

And how will they attack with pin point accuracy? As the GPS Sats are owned buy the DOD, Who will change the times the Sats are reading. With those times changed, and the holder knowing the correction factor - not a chance.

How else did the US invade Iraq in 10 days? Poor old Saddam was wondering why his missiles were all off course.

What is it with people that want power and greed?

Horsepower... thats the greedy power we should chase :)

[evo5aurus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass_navigation_system#Global_system_.28BeiDou-2_or_Compass_navigation_system.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

[JBAE]

"Those who desire power the most are usually the ones least suited to have it"

-Batman... The battle of thermopylae

[S85FI]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass_navigation_system#Global_system_.28BeiDou-2_or_Compass_navigation_system.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

Galileo, on our side and lots of development to go. EU have other things to worry about instead of final production of Nav Systems.
BDS Still not tried and tested for around the world. Also not enough in orbit to guarantee accuracy against clement weather.
GLONASS Soviet system is too unstable and budget never predictable. When was the last time the Soviet actually invaded a large scale attack? they failed in Afghanistan in the 1980 and anything left was against small countries with out the ability to defend.

I can't see NK doing anything. If it becomes a fire fight with missiles then I'm not sure. It would be one for one. Too many ground forces in too much smaller area for ground troops to take control. It would be the accidental big red button from all side. The US DOD system has been proven and tested for over a decade in active service.

And I'm sure all the allies around the world would place subs left right and centre of the NK.... there wouldn't be too many places in the world left that run VLF antenna farms, I think the soviets and the US are the only mobs to still run one.

Either way - we the civilians would suffer and the leaders will have their protection long sorted. :( Just hope the wind is going the right way for the fall out.

[S85FI]

would love to go to the border area on one of those little tour things and throw a grenade over the fence! and walk away and watch the shit fly and be like "yep! I caused that" :)

I can so seeing you do that BLAAA :p

[Passage GT]

Anyone that thinks nk have a chance in a while are deluded, the us through good and bad economic times have spent a fuckload of resources on military technology, seriously it would be a million times more than nk have spent, I realise there's a big 'merica fuck yeah' piss take out there but America are miles ahead when it comes to military power, even china let alone nk would get seriously fucked on if shit got serious

[evo5aurus]

Galileo, on our side and lots of development to go. EU have other things to worry about instead of final production of Nav Systems.
BDS Still not tried and tested for around the world. Also not enough in orbit to guarantee accuracy against clement weather.
GLONASS Soviet system is too unstable and budget never predictable. When was the last time the Soviet actually invaded a large scale attack? they failed in Afghanistan in the 1980 and anything left was against small countries with out the ability to defend.

I can't see NK doing anything. If it becomes a fire fight with missiles then I'm not sure. It would be one for one. Too many ground forces in too much smaller area for ground troops to take control. It would be the accidental big red button from all side. The US DOD system has been proven and tested for over a decade in active service.

And I'm sure all the allies around the world would place subs left right and centre of the NK.... there wouldn't be too many places in the world left that run VLF antenna farms, I think the soviets and the US are the only mobs to still run one.

Either way - we the civilians would suffer and the leaders will have their protection long sorted. :( Just hope the wind is going the right way for the fall out.

cant see NK doing anything either but you can't compare the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan to the modern Russian military, for starters Afghanistan was a cold war conflict between the USSR and the US...

[S85FI]

cant see NK doing anything either but you can't compare the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan to the modern Russian military, for starters Afghanistan was a cold war conflict between the USSR and the US...

At the time the Soviet was a modern super power. It was fighting the Mujahideen who believe in Allah (their god). They will fight anyone who rise against them. Hence their conditioning over the years to still be one of the toughest people to fight - particular on their own ground. Pakistan and China were helping at the time. Other countries just supplied Arms and $$$

The Soviet are long long way from being able to do anything on a global scale. They couldn't even take control of Chechnya. I would consider that a mondern battle.

Even if you look at NK - their still using M50 battle tanks as part of their modern Armour. There even using "Modern tanks" with external fuel tanks. You can't compare that to modern Armour with twice the speed and twice the range.
They don't have the logistic capacity to move their troops. Whats the point in firing missiles (without pin point accuracy) into another country if you get smashed back and with someone that has the capacity to move troops in a very short time. Never happen, someone will bitch slap him.

[Faz]

Anyone that thinks nk have a chance in a while are deluded, the us through good and bad economic times have spent a fuckload of resources on military technology, seriously it would be a million times more than nk have spent, I realise there's a big 'merica fuck yeah' piss take out there but America are miles ahead when it comes to military power, even china let alone nk would get seriously fucked on if shit got serious

Saw a chart somewhere online, in '11-'12 or something like that, over 50% of their annual spending was on military based/related expenditures.

[evo5aurus]

At the time the Soviet was a modern super power. It was fighting the Mujahideen who believe in Allah (their god). They will fight anyone who rise against them. Hence their conditioning over the years to still be one of the toughest people to fight - particular on their own ground. Pakistan and China were helping at the time. Other countries just supplied Arms and $$$



Similar to to how the USA was a super power but still failed in Vietnam? If the Russians actually went all in fighting in Afghanistan I'm sure shit would have gone differently. the Soviet armed forces were numerically superior to the United States in terms of manpower along with hardware for most of the cold war.

[S85FI]

The French actually started the Vietnam War.... and left it to the others when the going got too hard. They bailed leaving it to the US. The US provided support if needed but the French bailed leaving the US in it again.

I'm not American - but credit is there for them. They supported heaps of countries when the shit hit the fan.

[S85FI]

The Serbs started WWI, the Portuguese with Timor, the list just goes on....

[S85FI]

Soviet armed forces were numerically superior to the United States in terms of manpower along with hardware for most of the cold war.

Morale goes a long way on the battle field, you never saw an American Soldier be forced to grow their own food to eat and prepare for battle. Yes they were a super power. But morale - no good = bad combat missions.

I remember in the 80's when the US thought they were clever, they sent the Soviets a drill bit claiming it to be smallest on the plant. The soviets almost immediately returned it with a hole drilled through the middle of the bit. They were developing the MIG 31 and flying it too.

[mehow2g]

I found this on a forum randomly..

And the link?
Now finally let’s have a look at these recent events. Ever since the pope was elected things have started escalating. Keep the satanic numbers 13 and 33 in mind.

3/13/2013: The new pope was elected.
3/13/2013: The same day North Korea announced that they no longer respected the peace treaty between them and South Korea.
3/30/2013: North Korea announce that they are now officially at war with South Korea.
3/31/2013: Well that’s tomorrow. I wouldn’t wonder if the first bombs started falling there. Can’t be more satanic than this date.
Commencing World War 3 at 3/31/2013. But who knows. I'm pretty sure crazy stuff will happen in 2013.

Just have a look through your own history, and follow the dates and years and notice how many significant things happened those years that end with a xxx3. Here are a few examples from Denmark and the world. Now keep in mind that some of the I believe can be just coincidences:

1923: Atatürk proclaims Turkey and makes national day.
1923: Danish freemason headquarters is build.
1933: The german Reichstag burns to the ground.
1933: Adolf Hitler becomes Kansler.
1933: Ban of spirits are no longer in the US. Instead Marijuana is banned.
1933: The worst year in the great depression.
1943: Pentagon is completed.
1943: Sicily is conquered by the allies.
1943: Benito Mussolini is arrested. Later to be liberated by Hitler the same year.
1953: First time Mount Everest is climbed.
1953: Denmark get’s a new constitution.
1963: John F. Kennedy is shot and killed.
1963: Martin Luther King “I have a dream” speech.
1963: Vietnam War ends.
1963: Free abortion in Denmark.
1973: Chiles government is turned over by an american military coup.
1973: Egypt and Israel signs a peace treaty.
1983: Arnaldo Pomodoro organizes the danish royal garden “Amaliehaven”, with terminatorlike statues.
1983: NATO’s Able Archer exercise. Some think that this has been the closest to an atomic war the world has ever been.
1993: Illuminati symbolic statue at Sankt Hans torv Denmark. (http://a.bimg.dk/node-images/744/4/8...tyrres---1.jpg)
1993: World Trade Center is bombed by terrorists.
1993: Colombia space shuttles last trip with 7 astronauts. It burned up when it reentered the athmosphere.
1993: Bill Clinton takes the place as president instead of George H. W. Bush.
1993: USA commence the first Iraq war.
2003: USA commence the second and current Iraq war 20th of March.
2013: The new pope is elected.
2013: North Korean / South Korean war?

Just linking for fun, I guess the guy who posted did it for fun but its pretty interesting how the pope was elected on the 13/03/13 same day as North Korea started waving their dicks.

[S85FI]

9:23 Changed TV station to 1 ONE and wholey bat smoke Underground : "The Julian Assange Story"
9:33 going for a lap in Freo with the car all stickered up!

See anyone else out there if there cruising.

[mehow2g]

HAHAAHAHAHAH

[Slap Dash]

Well thats shit.. cant post link..

Ah, Here we go..

http://tiny.cc/4petuw

[Tre-Cool]

watched GI JOE : Retaliation tonight, they take the piss out of NK in it. had a few lol's.

[POH73]

I've been watching the NK goings on over the last few years and with recent events I'd like to hope that things settle down again to a medium level of insanity however their history of doing crazy shit seems unprecedented.

The sinking of the Cheonan in 2010
The artillery attack in 2010
Their test launching of IRBMs and flying them over other sovereign states
Their underground nuclear testing
Their slave labour camps

I have to wonder what their aim is and what they hope to achieve? Is everyone in the Snr military heirarchy that naive that they believe there is something to gain with all of their threats and posturing?

I thought it was good riddance when Kim Jong Il died but we only seem to have inherited a more fanatical warmonger in Kim jong Un. I just can't believe that they are so far out of the loop in a political and military manner that they believe they could be victorious in whatever they seek. Whatever they decide to do is going to be an absolute catastrophe for South Korea, the North have the manpower to wreak absolute havoc on the populous of Seoul being just South of the DMZ and a major financial and industrial centre.
Yes, the ROK and USA would be victorious eventually but at what cost? If they did decide to lob a nuke over the border there is no way in hell that USA would respond with nuclear arms, they just wouldn't need to and world opinion just wouldn't allow it. They'd already have every DPRK military & political installation plugged into their systems (from JDAMs, JSOWs, SLAM-ERs, Tomahawks, to GBU-28s). Their only problem may be response time and if the DPRK troops cross the border en masse then it will be difficult to turn them around.

OTOH I'm sure the world political leaders are growing very tired (and nervous) over the constant threats and if ever there was a need for a step by step pre-emptive strike with conventional munitions to dismantle their first strike capability then now would be the time.

By comparison, Iran is an extremely moderate example of anti Western society and somewhere I'd happily visit.

[failgts]

South Korea have the 7th largest active army & 3rd largest reserve army in the world. They have up to 5million troops at there disposal in the event of war, North Korea have access to around 9million if necessary. However the North are still running WW2 & Early Soviet era weapons, they still produce AK-47's to this day. Whereas the South have been receiving the latest & greatest of western technology since the 90's.

I'd put my money on 5million well equipped & well fed soldiers over 9million poorly peasants anyday.

Those kind of numbers on such a small peninsula would make for one serious fucking ground war tho........

[S85FI]

they still produce AK-47's to this day.

Pretty good bit of kit though, 7 moving parts, 30 seconds and she's stripped, Arctic safety catch and under $300 US to buy new.

M16 super small safety catch (try using it in the cold) and it's take you 30 seconds just to line up the bolt to flick it in it's position.


Well fed and well trained solders any day :)

[Damo 69]

[QUOTE=ZZM5;1096977]Pretty good bit of kit though, 7 moving parts, 30 seconds and she's stripped, Arctic safety catch and under $300 US to buy new.

[QUOTE]

group buy on AK's?

[JBAE]

Damn straight! never under estimate Mikhails Baby!


Pretty good bit of kit though, 7 moving parts, 30 seconds and she's stripped, Arctic safety catch and under $300 US to buy new.

M16 super small safety catch (try using it in the cold) and it's take you 30 seconds just to line up the bolt to flick it in it's position.


Well fed and well trained solders any day :)

[OnParole]

When they make threats, would the US talk about a payout or come to and agreement with how much they want just so NK don't do anything crazy or controll themselves?

[Nic_A31]

What are the chances of Iran getting involved in all of this?

[Evman]

I suppose it's entirely possible the US wants shit to flare up. If it did they could ditch the regime and have one less crazed dictator to worry about. There's no reason why South Korea's manufacturing couldn't be extended into the North which would help alleviate USA's reliance on China that little bit more?

[DRKWRX]

lol Like a war in this day and age would use millions of soldiers on the ground, America would just bomb the shit out of them.

[failgts]

Pretty sure the Americans have tried that once before. If i remember correctly it was the Vietnam war? They dropped more bombs in the Vietnam conflict than the entirity of WW2. Did they win that? :rolleyes:

[fourseven]

In what way did the US lose Vietnam?

Everyone says the US lost because Vietnam didn't surrender. But they won every battle in the field. Where is Vietnam's economic sovereignty now? In the hands of the US.

Early withdrawal made it inevitable that the US would forever be known as the losers. But it's far from the truth. Had they stuck around without failed foreign policy, I suspect it would be a different story in the history books.

[Nic_A31]

In what way did the US lose Vietnam?

Everyone says the US lost because Vietnam didn't surrender. But they won every battle in the field. Where is Vietnam's economic sovereignty now? In the hands of the US.

Early withdrawal made it inevitable that the US would forever be known as the losers. But it's far from the truth. Had they stuck around without failed foreign policy, I suspect it would be a different story in the history books.

^^ This!

Where the fuck does this idea that America "bombs the shit" out of everything come from??
The US led invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq was a lot 'neater' compared to Russia's method of taking Grozny (Chechnya) ie carpet bombing, as a random example. Grozny has been labelled "the most destroyed city in the world" by the UN.

But hey, because we don't hear that on the news, it didn't happen.

[evo5aurus]

The US did win every major battle from a purely strategic point of view but they also lost many engagements and lost the psychological war (ie Tet offensive may have been a strategic defeat for the NVA but it was also a resounding psychological victory).

They didn't lose the war but they didn't win either - the South was still overrun by communism. At best they fought to a stalemate.

[devilfish]

So many armchair Generals LOL, you have got to look at the bigger picture, NK is following orders from China, this is to distract from something else, China is seeking to stretch the US in all areas, this is just a small part in a larger plan that encompasses Africa and the Far east. China has got a massive chip on its shoulder, stretching back as far as the Opium Wars. It has been humiliated every time, this is payback. its just one small move in a larger game of chess.

China wins if it can provoke NK into a war with the US, it will simply grab territory to protect its borders.

And those who think modern weapons remove the need for boots on the ground are deluded, GPS is easily jammed, and china can remove satellites at will. Bombing a mobile infantry is very difficult, even nuclear weapons have a limited range, and wont be used even if NK start flinging them around.

[DRKWRX]

Afghanistan and Iraq are different wars, they're trying to remove a certain group of people from civilians who are hiding with civilians which means they need ground troops, North Korea are pretty much all under the control of Kim Yong Un.

[Nic_A31]

Afghanistan and Iraq are different wars, they're trying to remove a certain group of people from civilians who are hiding with civilians which means they need ground troops, North Korea are pretty much all under the control of Kim Yong Un.

Are you implying that every single North Korean is a combatant ?

[Lmx]

Are you implying that every single North Korean is a combatant ?
YEP

[POH73]

One of the biggest factors in Vietnam was the political war whereby many targets couldn't be attacked due to them having Russian and/or Chinese "advisors" present and the good ole US of A didn't want to poke the hornet's nest more than already was. Hanoi was off limits so the USAF was fighting with one hand tied behind its back. It wasn't until the Linebacker campaign that an unrestricted campaign was allowed which resulted in NV returning to peace talks.
Also, for a long period of time any airstrike mission into North Vietnam had to be reviewed and signed off by the White House. By that stage, the target had either moved or lost its priority.

I can only presume that the NK situation would be similar.

With the catch phrase over the last 20 years in conflicts being "collateral damage", there will be no carpet bombing, city bombing or WMDs used by the good guys. OTOH, the MOAB GBU-43 would do a fine job of clearing troops out in the open: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOAB_bomb

Currently reading "First in, last Out" The story of the Wild Weasels. Very interesting.

[devilfish]

the MOAB GBU-43 would do a fine job of clearing troops out in the open: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOAB_bomb

Not really, they are large and difficult to move weapon, produced in limited numbers, troops wouldnt be sitting together in a bunch, they would be spread out, this weapon is used mainly on command bunkers or semi hardened targets.

And im not coming at this cold, i spent 14 years working as an engineer on air launched munitions amongst other things, in my time as a Trials Officer with the Defence Research Agency / QinetiQ in the UK.

the most effective weapon for use against a spread out infantry is more spread out infantry with air superiority.

[Gr3mlin]

Not really, they are large and difficult to move weapon, produced in limited numbers, troops wouldnt be sitting together in a bunch, they would be spread out, this weapon is used mainly on command bunkers or semi hardened targets.


Actually you may of been confused with the GBU-57, GBU-43 is for soft targets over large areas.

[S85FI]

[QUOTE] group buy on AK's?

AL Bulk Buy discount.... administrators take note :)

PS AK74 please - Folding stock suits me better

[devilfish]

mhm still if the US wades in its not going to be concerned with a ground war, it will just work its way down a list of bigger targets to hit with missiles, South Korea should be able to hold its ground against an invasion.

[Damo 69]

[QUOTE=Damo 69;1096989]



AL Bulk Buy discount.... administrators take note :)

PS AK74 please - Folding stock suits me better

folding stock will allow it to fit in the glove box of the M5?

[S85FI]

lol Like a war in this day and age would use millions of soldiers on the ground, America would just bomb the shit out of them.

All wars needs ground troops. Regardless of country.


^^ This!

Where the fuck does this idea that America "bombs the shit" out of everything come from??
Grozny has been labelled "the most destroyed city in the world" by the UN.

What they forget to tell you is that man - solider loses their essence of the human sole when morale and no food is available unless orders are completed. They never tell you that their ordered to shoot a 10 year kid who has just spent 5km walking in a f**ked up place trying to get water for their family. Not only is the morale of the soldier destroyed so does the hate grow at the other end and morale too becomes lower. There is no winner for the civilian or the fallen.

[QUOTE=evo5aurus;1097074]The US did win every major battle from a purely strategic point of view but they also lost many engagements and lost the psychological war (ie Tet offensive may have been a strategic defeat for the NVA but it was also a resounding psychological victory).

All parties get affected unless they are desensitised with such action. Look at Mogadishu, Bosina and many other places where forward observers were placed to report to the UN what was going on. They could witness their own people being slayed down but were not allowed to do anything. That would be worse than a soldier in combat. That doesn't get reported.

[QUOTE=devilfish;1097075]
those who think modern weapons remove the need for boots on the ground are deluded,

Fact




most effective weapon for use against a spread out infantry is more spread out infantry with air superiority.
Lets not forget Armour :)


Love these topics :)

[S85FI]

=Damo 69;1097104]


folding stock will allow it to fit in the glove box of the M5?

Nope, but there is another spot... and the boot, one compartment I swear is made to suit up to a 9mm. Hidden compartments all over the car. I'm still finding them today!

[DRKWRX]

Are you implying that every single North Korean is a combatant ?

well they don't have much say do they?

[deeman111]

http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-dossiers/north-korean-dossier/north-koreas-weapons-programmes-a-net-asses/the-conventional-military-balance-on-the-kore/

Its a bit of a long read, but is quite interesting, analysing the NK military and how it compares to modern US/SK equipment.

In the end, if NK decided to do anything they will get seriously smashed, but the initial attack would devestate SK for many years after

[INSINR8R]

There was a show on Discovery a while back called Deadliest Warrior where they compare 2 countries armies, past and present.

One episode was the US Army Rangers vs NK Spec Ops. It was a close contest all the way through to the simulated battle. In the end the US won (6 vs 6 battle) but it was interesting to see the set up the DPRK had.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior_(season_3)#Episode_25:_U.S._Army _Rangers_vs._North_Korean_Special_Operations_Force s

This is a very interesting event, but for as long as I can remember, NK has been on edge and wanting to attack the US and South Korea. Maybe they'll go through with it, maybe they're just all talk. But you know they're probably not gonna last very long.

[INSINR8R]

Seems like they're ready to go all or nothing.

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/north-korea-gives-final-approval-for-nuclear-attack-on-united-states/story-fndir2ev-1226612136732

[Brett_J]

Seems like they're ready to go all or nothing.

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/north-korea-gives-final-approval-for-nuclear-attack-on-united-states/story-fndir2ev-1226612136732

Media vs Reality is a big thing, so is NK actually following through with their threats, I'm not saying it won't happen, but NK loves Peacocking it's "might", then not following through.

[mehow2g]

If America goes in and invades NK theres obviously something to gain and this was all propaganda.

[ReaperSS]

Tin foil hat on but i have been thinking...
What is all this is America putting it out there as an excuse to bomb the fuck out of them? Propaganda vids and all?
Surely if North Korea were going to do something they would of done in quietly before the usa has all guns pointed at them?

[TJ]

I got 40 nations ready to roll son!

Japan is dropping playstations

[mehow2g]

What I don't understand is where is the US getting their info from, is the fat boy on the phone with Obama at all times telling him what he's up to ? What about the war in Iraq is that story just going to fade away ?

He has a new threat everyday, if you fly over my country again I kill you etc etc.

We have seen this before weapons of mass destruction that is why we invaded the Middle East and of course there was nothing, did anyone else forget about this ?

Well this the exact same thing today we are seeing a threat of a missile attack.

Everyone is right the Americans can destroy NK I'm sure NK knows this it would be in their best interest to avoid it.. Well logically...

I don't think it's wrong to question the US because they have proved before that we should be questioning every war they get into just by looking at history.

[Gr3mlin]

NORTH Korea has reportedly been seen moving a long-range missile in to position for launch.

South Korean Yonhap news agency reports that North Korea's new KN08 Musudan missile has been spotted in the process of being transported towards the Sea of Japan.

The KN08 Musudan is still under-development and it is unclear if it has the range to reach the United States mainland. Previous assessments have given it a range of 4000km - potentially enough range to reach Guam.

Any sign of missile movements and preparations is likely to dramatically escalate tensions.


Hoping US just goes fuck it and hits them already

[MadDocker]

Crazy fuckers. Wonder how long they can keep up the threats and actions before it all kicks off.

[Stealthed]

We have seen this before weapons of mass destruction & Oil... Lots & lots of Oil, that is why we invaded the Middle East and of course there was nothing but sweet black gold everywhere, did anyone else forget about this ?


Fixed.

[mehow2g]

Fixed.

Thanks

If my tin foil hat is correct it wouldn't surprise me if a "north Korean" missie hits the US the door opens and they will be in NK in no time.

[adrenalin]

America cant nuke NK because it will blow over into China and they are allied.

China needs to step up and tell North Korea to pull its fucking head in.

If anything the NK military will end up throwing kim jong un out as they arent happy.

[jzx_andy]

If America goes in and invades NK theres obviously something to gain and this was all propaganda.

I'd only consider this idea if NK is invaded prior to them actually launching a missile at SK/Japan/US forces.. but even in that case, I do think that North Korean people have more to gain from an invasion than the US (does NK even have anything to lose?).

Maybe at the most the US could gain some economic benefits from the war machine and economic shock therapy... but I have a suspicion the underlying motive would be to assert themselves over an economic competitor ie China.

[mehow2g]

I'd only consider this idea if NK is invaded prior to them actually launching a missile at SK/Japan/US forces.. but even in that case, I do think that North Korean people have more to gain from an invasion than the US (does NK even have anything to lose?).

Maybe at the most the US could gain some economic benefits from the war machine and economic shock therapy... but I have a suspicion the underlying motive would be to assert themselves over an economic competitor ie China.

I don't really know what to think but US history only start wars to gain they have always been the invader not the defender.

The biggest problem is I cannot trust the medias story on what's going on, these are the people who feed us bullshit.

Eg we are told to believe that speed kills, we told cameras are there to save lives not raise money, we are told 5kms over is a criminal offence, we are told modified cars are one of the biggest threat to our children and society.

Everyone on this forum knows that is all lies on such a non issue, how can we listen to what's being reported? To believe on what the story is on not question it would be stupid given all the lies we are fed.

I think logically if NK wanted to start war there would be no warning They would of gone ahead and surprised the US but we get a brand new threat everyday more the threats increase e more people listen and start agreeing with the media and agree that we should take care of them ourselves.

Rather than letting the US know so the US can get ready and primed for it... How does that make any sense ? Again i think will be America doing the invading.

I bet the media and news in NK would be completely different on the story we are getting from the US.

[jzx_andy]

I don't really know what to think but US history only start wars to gain they have always been the invader not the defender.

The biggest problem is I cannot trust the medias story on what's going on, these are the people who feed us bullshit.

Eg we are told to believe that speed kills, we told cameras are there to save lives not raise money, we are told 5kms over is a criminal offence, we are told modified cars are one of the biggest threat to our children and society.

Everyone on this forum knows that is all lies on such a non issue, how can we listen to what's being reported? To believe on what the story is on not question it would be stupid given all the lies we are fed.

I bet the media and news in NK would be completely different on the story we are getting from the US.

I agree completely, and to be honest, it is a bit unusual of the media to not be reporting on what action/stance China is taking (surely they would have said or done something by now..). The news and media in NK is probably 10 times less credible than what we are reading on news.com.au though, lol.

Once everything has been said and done, the educated people will be able to hear from all sides of the story, it's a shame that by that point, most people will not care, and it would probably be too late..

[[Jacek]]

The news and media in NK is probably 10 times less credible

Uh, 10 times would be a huge understatement. Everything is censored. Everything. There is no news apart from "our amazing country is amazing" and "our great leader is the best". There are no journalists apart from government agencies.

My parents' lived in communist Poland 1960's to 1980's and the only proper "news" they had was from newspapers smuggled over the border from other countries, or radio signals picked up from afar and Chinese whispers among the community. Even then if you were caught with anything like that, or heard speaking about it you would "go away" for a very long time or simply "disappear".

[mehow2g]

^ and that's why I'm here today :d

[brynj]

It'd be more interesting if this was all a distraction for some kind of cyber warfare.
Imagine disabling or rerouting financial networks to pay extremist groups to launch attacks from somewhere else, or taking over power grids and disrupting vital services.

Bombs are so last season.

[-Luke-]

^ or just remotely disabling the eftpos in every fast food joint in the USA. That would fuck them in 2 days or less

[jzx_andy]

;1098320']Uh, 10 times would be a huge understatement. Everything is censored. Everything. There is no news apart from "our amazing country is amazing" and "our great leader is the best". There are no journalists apart from government agencies.

My parents' lived in communist Poland 1960's to 1980's and the only proper "news" they had was from newspapers smuggled over the border from other countries, or radio signals picked up from afar and Chinese whispers among the community. Even then if you were caught with anything like that, or heard speaking about it you would "go away" for a very long time or simply "disappear".


^ and that's why I'm here today :d

Same, my parents and grandparents lived through the communist era of Ceausescu in Romania from the 60s all the way to the 80s... my grandparents, being the people that they were, wanted out once the going got tough.. the government did everything to intimidate them and keep them in Romania, from consistently denying them their passports, to keeping spies outside their apartment block, all the way to poisoning my grandfather and putting him in a coma for 3 weeks. I'm really thankful that the government was toppled and that I live in Perth.. even today, Perth and Australia in general is a much better place to live than in Romania, and most of this is because of what the communist leaders did, especially in the late 70's and throughout the 80's

[S85FI]

There was a show on Discovery a while back called Deadliest Warrior

How good was the samurai vs viking?

[S85FI]

We have seen this before weapons of mass destruction that is why we invaded the Middle East and of course there was nothing,

I would consider two planes into the twin towers a weapon of mass destruction. ;o(

[space]

Tin foil hat on but i have been thinking...
What is all this is America putting it out there as an excuse to bomb the fuck out of them? Propaganda vids and all?
Surely if North Korea were going to do something they would of done in quietly before the usa has all guns pointed at them?

North Korea has been projecting war onto South Korea for over 50 years now. This is not new. They do this through their state controlled media enterprises. Recent rants have become somewhat more intensified and thus the US response.

[S85FI]

I don't really know what to think but US history only start wars to gain they have always been the invader not the defender.

I'm not a fan of war, but such is life. In US. defence - name a war they started? It's always been other countries seeking their assistance as allies.

[mehow2g]

I'm not a fan of war, but such is life. In US. defence - name a war they started? It's always been other countries seeking their assistance as allies.

Depends on what you view as "started".

[S85FI]

Invaded another country and declare war. Place soldiers in a offensive and deliberated a direct attack to capture, hold or seize ground.

[TJ]

Iraq.

[mehow2g]

Iraq.

that can't be true the terrorists destroyed 2 towers, I mean 3

[Socrates]

Afghanistan & Libya?

[Damo 69]

you guys should read "confessions of an economic hitman" puts a great light into how the US operate

[Autopilot]

Afghanistan & Libya?

Both countries provoked the USA by sponsoring terrorist acts upon US personal.

[mr_rotary]

North Korea has been projecting war onto South Korea for over 50 years now. This is not new. They do this through their state controlled media enterprises. Recent rants have become somewhat more intensified and thus the US response.A lot of people have forgotten about the Korean war which divided North and South. This has been brewing for a long long time.

[shifted]

you guys should read "confessions of an economic hitman" puts a great light into how the US operate

Videos of the guy on Youtube I think from interviews he has done. Fantastic how he explains what happened to Saddam etc. (of course, providing he was really there as he states).

[mehow2g]

Dont know if anyone else has noticed but the footage they have been showing of the solders marching in NK all have ONLY fat boys father's face on the banners they are holding up seems like its all dated footage.

[HANS YOLO]

I'm not a fan of war, but such is life. In US. defence - name a war they started? It's always been other countries seeking their assistance as allies.

your kidding right?

[Gr3mlin]

A lot of people have forgotten about the Korean war which divided North and South. This has been brewing for a long long time.

The end of WW2 divided the North and South, not the Korean War.

[Gr3mlin]

your kidding right?

While his post was pure idiotic.

Following the post in which he quoted, WW2 was a war they were a defender either way you look at how they entered.

[TJ]

Is this done yet?

[S85FI]

Afghanistan & Libya?

Afghanistan started by the Russians, and Afgan at the time seeked weapons from the US to fight against the Russians. It backfired so they can establish their own arms and inthe love of Allah they turned.

Libya, UN council ordered a no fly zone around Libya as their own people were shooting at civilians. If your ever seen Black Hawk Down, Mogadishu where the rebels open up on the civilians to control food i.e. take from the poor and give to the rouge soldiers and their leaders while their people starve to death, same thing in Libya. UN asked the US to enforce the no fly zone. Libya did not comply and engaged the U.S. Further to that they blew up a Pan AM Flight 103 which Gaddafi claimed prior to the no fly zone.

[S85FI]

A lot of people have forgotten about the Korean war which divided North and South. This has been brewing for a long long time.

Their still at war. Neither country never signed a peace treaty.

On the ship Missouri, there is a photo of when the Japanese signed a peace treaty with the US. It just draws a silence and make you realise how good we have it in Australia. Thanks f **K for the water around us.

[S85FI]

your kidding right?

Nope.... name a war they started? They were always called up as an allie, or an attack was provoked or the UN requested their intervention to which such countries as Australia agreed to.

[S85FI]

Is this done yet?

Nope..... :)

[Gr3mlin]

American War of Independence, American Civil War :p, Spanish–American War, Invasion of Grenada and the Invasion of Panama. Hell you can even throw in the Invasion of Iraq.

That quickly come to mind, bet I can find a few more with a little bit of research.

[YOUR MATE]

That quickly came to google.

[Gr3mlin]

That quickly came to google.

Google was not touched. You may of grown up watching cartoons and playing with hot wheels, I grew up watching War documentaries and playing with warplane models.

People wanted to be Firemen, Cops, Astronauts...I wanted to be a War Historian.

Don't you have some work to do :p

[mehow2g]

Whats the threat today boys?

[Tocchi]

^ it's ill'un at the moment.

[Niva]

you could not be more wong

[YOUR MATE]

"North Korea moves missile to east coast."

Shit is getting real.

[Dagon]

That quickly come to mind, bet I can find a few more with a little bit of research.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
Of the last 237 years, America has been at war for 211 of them.

It's not so much that they're a warhungry nation (though it helps) it's that a handful of people learned how to get very rich from war, so they keep it in business.

[HANS YOLO]

Nope.... name a war they started? They were always called up as an allie, or an attack was provoked or the UN requested their intervention to which such countries as Australia agreed to.

Vietnam springs to mind, Gulf of Tonkin incident was staged so they could kick off...2 incidents, one real & one fake...the first (real) engagement was instigated by the US Destroyer...the second fake incident allowed the congress to give Johnson the power to help stop the 'communist aggression'

My Dads a Vet, ive done the required reading :)

[mehow2g]

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/intercepted-north-korean-military-communications-reveal-plan-to-launch-missile/story-fndir2ev-1226612936097

Looks like NK gained 8500km of missile technogly over night which puts us in striking distance.


New threat off the day.

NK seem to be updating their twitter account regularly.

[Stealthed]

Perth now, clearly ballistics & weapon inventory experts.

There's blokes at my workplace that are scared NK will nuke us as a demonstration of their power anytime now.

I kind of want to punch them in the throat.

[HANS YOLO]

"A US Air Force F-22 Raptor. Two of these stealth fighters have been stationed in South Korea"

fucking sweet :)

[Jase]

Slight development...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CXHdTjpAPRc/TPPJ6BivceI/AAAAAAAAA5E/uouRx00Vir8/s1600/France+Surrenders.JPG

[shifted]

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/537429_444799958930759_1859279524_n.jpg

[YOUR MATE]

Quotes were sourced as being from the DPRK's official media releases. That tree hugging hippie pingpingpingping message says "apparently" that's what NK said. Fucking facebook activists! Same bunch of pingpingpingpings who made a pink equals sign their profile picture in order to save all the gay babies.

[Ph03NiX]

Size of historical (and current nukes) if they were dropped in a certain place. The NK nukes are tiny in comparison with what the rest of the world has.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

[Lmx]

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/537429_444799958930759_1859279524_n.jpg
Oh good this is just all one big misunderstanding

[RICEY]

That pic is misleading too, hes actually saying "Five double quarter pounders thanks!"

[RICEY]

Size of historical (and current nukes) if they were dropped in a certain place. The NK nukes are tiny in comparison with what the rest of the world has.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

As long as I am at home, a 3.3MT is the limit when dropped on the city to ensure my safety :D

[shifted]

Quotes were sourced as being from the DPRK's official media releases. That tree hugging hippie pingpingpingping message says "apparently" that's what NK said. Fucking facebook activists! Same bunch of pingpingpingpings who made a pink equals sign their profile picture in order to save all the gay babies.

Just randomly popped up in the newsfeed from someone that shared it, thought it may be of interest is all. I didn't bother checking it...

[RG]

that tsar bomba one is bloody massive!

[winstor]

The largest nuke NK has tested is only around the 6-15kt range.

[Bazelinez]

No one could deny the world would be a better place with the "North" part of North Korea removed.

[RICEY]

Missile spotted in 'launch position', United States and South Korean armed forces placed at 'vital alert' Watchcon 2

NORTH Korea state-tv is reporting the country is ready to file a nuclear missile, Sky News reported.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/world/united-states-and-south-korean-armed-forces-placed-at-vital-alert-watchcon-2/story-fnhrvhol-1226617936354

[JBAE]

LOL

[jzx_andy]

Quotes were sourced as being from the DPRK's official media releases. That tree hugging hippie pingpingpingping message says "apparently" that's what NK said. Fucking facebook activists! Same bunch of pingpingpingpings who made a pink equals sign their profile picture in order to save all the gay babies.

http://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/66796_10151561229062733_1419267899_n.jpg

[ReaperSS]

This cant be true lol....

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-missile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html?mobify=0

[Jumanji]

This cant be true lol....

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-missile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html?mobify=0

LOL

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/windows95tips-tumblr-01.png

[Damo 69]

This cant be true lol....

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-missile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html?mobify=0

i am sure microsoft are chomping at the bit to help the pingpingpingping

[ReaperSS]

WTF...
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6MKKSJiRwog" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[MadDocker]

Hope they hurry up and end this shit. Sick of all the bullshit already. "They will. They wont. Wah Wah Wah" just bomb the pingpingpingpings and get it over with.

[ReaperSS]

Would of happend by now is the carnts had oil lol

[Jumanji]

I wonder coming from Korea, they have a troubleshooting hotline lol " Hi I'm ringing about a Nuclear weapons test, but Adobe keeps popping up" lol.

[adrenalin]

Lol there is no way that is true ...

Pretty funny.

There is no point launching missiles at anyone as it will be game over pretty dam quick for them.

[crabman]

Are the precious metal resource reserves of North Korea known? There maybe be bulk shale oil reserves, viable in a couple of decades :P

[Damo 69]

Are the precious metal resource reserves of North Korea known? There maybe be bulk shale oil reserves, viable in a couple of decades :P

we will find out 2 years into the war, like afghanistan "i cant believe we have stumbled accross 1.2 trillion in resources, such a surprise"

[YOUR MATE]

What ever happened to these crazy fucks?

[adrenalin]

Same thing that happens every time.

Big bunch of hype and nothing. They have nothing to gain from declaring war with America as they would get obliterated. The missles they have created dont even have the distance to hit the states.

[mehow2g]

What ever happened to these crazy
fucks?

Fear and distraction that's all it was.

It was pretty clear early days a new threat update everyday felt like a reality tv show, what laws passed during this ?

[MadDocker]

Kim had a Snickers.

[beatle]

same thing that happened to Kony etc. news cycle moved on.

[tinto]

What ever happened to these crazy fucks?

Media became distracted by the Boston bombing.

[Nic_A31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Korean_Crisis#Timeline_of_events

They're just playing 'hard to get'.

[crabman]

Hope it spices up while I am in South Korea next month. But not the day I am at the DMZ.

[S85FI]

Bit of a laugh in todays paper. NK doing a Sub Exercises with Russia saying dont be a fool we stopped using those subs in the fifties/sixties. You sub has a 6km range and your enemies have 250k+

Mr Kim younh fat chow mein still went ahead with his show of power. Well up to 6km anyway.

[dmanvan]

Bit of a laugh in todays paper. NK doing a Sub Exercises with Russia saying dont be a fool we stopped using those subs in the fifties/sixties. You sub has a 6km range and your enemies have 250k+

Mr Kim younh fat chow mein still went ahead with his show of power. Well up to 6km anyway.

I also found that hilarious , found it on some news sites as well online in the last 24, did they have pics of him looking through the periscope......hilarious.... the dude is such a poser, (unless he is doing the big bluff and has a couple of nukes up his sleeve....

[S85FI]

Yeh his stumpy fat body looking out to sea. If his nuclear subs are anything like his missiles then he might have a 10k range. He behaves like a little rich fat kid with no icecream left and sulks until mummy gives him a lil huggy.

[Chivalry]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-22/north-korea-threatens-to-punish-julie-bishop-over-kim-comments/5542230

elohel

[Uber XR]

"She is not entitled to call for legitimacy, as she is no more than a stooge"

HAHAHAHA