Cyclist fined for speeding

[DanWA]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/cyclist-fined-for-riding-56kmh-in-school-zone/story-e6frg13u-1226283944613


Senior Constable Lance Munckton was shocked to clock a professional cyclist doing 56km/h through a children’s crossing outside St John’s Primary School in Scarborough during morning peak hour earlier this month.

It was the fastest speed of a bicycle the officer had ever recorded in 28 years of policing.

The speed limit in designated school zones is 40km/h.

The 34-year-old cyclist from Mt Hawthorn was fined $150 – a penalty he was “very annoyed” with.

lols @ him being annoyed

[satch]

generally despise them, but in the cyclists defence, how could he tell he was speeding, unless he was flying past cars....

[GTO Assassin]

lol... Is the road down hill? He must have been cracking to be going that quick on a treadly.

Scotty

[fourseven]

The same way they detect cars speeding.

Sucked in to the cyclist.

[RGVFAST]

It's illegal to sell a new car or drive a car without a working speedo. Yet its legal to purchase a bike and ride it without one.

[V70R]

Hoon cyclist.
Bike locked up for 28 days ?

[Lump]

The same way they detect cars speeding.

.
he meant, how could the cyclist tell he was speeding

[[FL0SSIN]]

You'd be surprised how easy it is to clock 40km/h on a modern road bike, cyclist want to have equal rights on the road then that's what you get!

Edit- it very common for bikes to come with speedos n shit these days

[fourseven]

he meant, how could the cyclist tell he was speeding

LOL, what a retard. Don't mind me!

[RGVFAST]

Wonder if rider copped demerit points as well?

[Alt_F4]

Wonder if rider copped demerit points as well?
Should of, AFAIK you can lose your licence for pissy push bike riding.

Wish they'd get these pingpingpingpings for running red lights too...

[Stealthed]

Wonder if rider copped demerit points as well?

I'd be interested to know this. I'm not really against cyclists as I've generally had little to no issues with them when they stick to the cycling lane however if the law requires them to abide by the road rules then they should be legally obligated to have a speedo (the little ones of course) otherwise they could get off this "fine" quite easy in court.


Should of, AFAIK you can lose your licence for pissy push bike riding.

Wish they'd get these pingpingpingpings for running red lights too...

Running red lights which I've seen a few times I believe should be a punishment, you see some cars that don't see them and slam brakes as they race through a set of lights they thought was clear..

[RGVFAST]

pingpingpingpings whinge when cyclists blast red lights, then also whinge if the cyclist does stop and is now slow accelerating from the light and is holding up traffic.

[Turbo2.6L]

If they stop & keep left as they are supposed to, they wont hold up traffic. Road rules for cyclists need to be more heavily enforced, i'm 100% behind this fine & red light fines for cyclists.

[RGVFAST]

I courierd as a pushie in town for a few years and the only reason im still alive is by not obeying road rules.

keeping left means being ground into the curb by a transperth bus.

[ReaperSS]

Can this also mean that they can be done under hoon law for anything like wheelstands, long skids etc?

[James_2007]

riding with no hands is classed a reckless i think it was. even talking on the phone on a push bike isnt allowed

[ho57ile]

Man I would of never got my license if you could get hoon lawed for doing skids on a pushy and riding no hands was reckless. How are kids in school gona impress chicks now?

[WRCjosh]

hahaha munckton. that asshole arrested me once, TEGs bike cop, not a well liked character around the station either im told!

[uzx83]

I completely agree with him getting fined,

My old man told me a back in my day story the other day, and he said they had to register there treadlys, had number plates and all, it would probably be a huge effort to have bikes registered these days but maybe if they were too the money could be put towards cycle paths on the side of main roads

[mr_mike]

Shane Warne Likes This.

[thrtytwo]

Good on them for fining him. I don't hate people on bikes, but as mentioned, rules should apply to all.

Now they just need to start fining dumb pingpingpingpings for doing 80 in the right hand lane of the freeway.

Pushies in the road are quite a contrast to the surprising amount of dumb bitches I've seen riding mopeds on the footpath.

[-Luke-]

Now they just need to start fining dumb pingpingpingpings for doing 80 in the right hand lane of the freeway.



THIS!!

I got cautioned by an overzealous copper when I was still in high school for exceeding the speed limit on my DH bike (was a 35 zone and I was doing around the 55kmh mark) I was too young to hold a license so I couldn't cope a fine.

I agree with 1 rule for all.

[GTO Assassin]

Now they just need to start fining dumb pingpingpingpings for doing 80 in the right hand lane of the freeway.

Being from over east and having lived all up and down the east, this state is the worst by far at everything they do, in particular, not getting out of the right lane. I've driven past cars on the hwy to Bunbury with clowns just cruising in the right lane and they have no idea why they're getting mad stink eye.

Sorry to go OT.

Scotty

[cplagz]

dickhead deserves the fine. Try telling the poor bloke in a wheelchair from a collision @ Claremont underpass that speeding fines are stupid for cyclists. He got cleaned up by some idiot overtaking on a blind corner.

[DrKarl]

Maybe a warning would have sufficed as im sure a great deal of cyclists are unaware that speed limits apply.

[blackjack]

Maybe a warning would have sufficed as im sure a great deal of cyclists are unaware that speed limits apply.
because they don't know stop signs, pedestrian crossings, red lights.... don't apply to them either!! Road rules apply if you are on the road if you don't know that stay off the road. Ignorance is never an excuse.

[kiasu]

dickhead deserves the fine. Try telling the poor bloke in a wheelchair from a collision @ Claremont underpass that speeding fines are stupid for cyclists. He got cleaned up by some idiot overtaking on a blind corner.
which claremont underpass? the one on the cycle path? almost took out a motorised wheelchair riding along that path, he/she just jumped onto the path in front of me and 4 others without looking.

[cplagz]

which claremont underpass? the one on the cycle path? almost took out a motorised wheelchair riding along that path, he/she just jumped onto the path in front of me and 4 others without looking.
yep

[Skitzo]

Ride on the footpath when approaching intersections/cops. No rules for the footpath!

[RGVFAST]

I know for sure within the CBD and surrounds you have to be below the age of 12 to ride on footpaths. Otherwise is a fine.

[LostInTheWoods]

You serious? More police effort on stopping cyclists running red lights? Cyclist runs red, gets killed, cyclists fault. Car runs red, innocent person dies.

How about the pingpingpingpings running and driving through reds every day in 2+ tonne cars?

Or people who change lanes without looking, or pulling out in front of people. I watched a car run a complete red last week, with other cars on the green moving off the line in front of a cop and he did nothing.

I work in west perth. I drive in the car 10 mins a day, and the shit driving I see in that time blows my mind.

Priorities much? Muppet riding bike running reds, probably runs reds while driving his car - blame the pingpingpingping, not the method of transport.

Police are so focussed on speeding, they care nothing about actual dangerous driving.

[ossie_21]

I think footpaths are legally off limits for bikes though, which is why a lot are on the road. A car reversing out of a driveway could see it's clear of pedestrians but then have a bike implanted into the side of their boot because they travel a lot quicker. That's one example of why it's like that I think

As for demerits they are against your licence, so if you don't have one and that's why you could be on the bike, it couldn't result in that you'd think. Interested to know what the fine was actually for though...

Edit - the fine for speeding, but just what sort of fine as there would be no rego details etc, or if it was a "taking undue care" sort of fine

[TJ]

Ignorance is no excuse - as any cop will tell you if you say "i thought this was a 70 zone"

[Alt_F4]

I work in west perth. I drive in the car 10 mins a day, and the shit driving I see in that time blows my mind.
I also work in West Perth, and on multiple occasions have nearly been fucked up by bicyclists flogging it down the hill on Wellington st though redlights while I had the green man.

How about everyone follows the fucking road rules, how about that?

[Pr0state]

i used to be a bike courier a few years ago

Got fined for running red lights, riding on footpaths. and turning contrary to signals. One cop even tried to give me a fine for not having a bell on my bike.
I never lost any demerit points for those fines though.

Got up to 90kmh on my roadbike going down ewen street in doubleview. csb

[skidkid]

I courierd as a pushie in town for a few years and the only reason im still alive is by not obeying road rules.

keeping left means being ground into the curb by a transperth bus.

This ^^

Was nearly killed 3-4 times this year in the city on my pushy for staying left, all times they were transperth buses that decided to push me into the gutter when they were halfway along side me.. How since decided to fuck the road laws whilst on the pushy, and feel much much safer doing it.

[Stealthed]

I don't have issues with them but If cyclists that want to go all race spec on the roads don't get fined for running through red lights, wearing hideous lycra or going at high speeds through a low speed area then I shouldn't get fined for mounting a kerb and going rally spec to work.

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/Stealthed33/capt38c49a12cf0144c195d4fea1e5580b3cmexico_acciden t_mxjf101.jpg
Picture relevant.

[thrtytwo]

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/unLHmYyAw5g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

also relevant, however, very fucked up

[blackjack]

Got up to 90kmh on my roadbike going down ewen street in doubleview. csb
I lost a bit of butt cheek, elbow, knee & half a tooth attempting it on a skateboard LOL

[scottiedoesntn0]

I think footpaths are legally off limits for bikes though, which is why a lot are on the road.

A little OT but there is a point in here.....


Used to ride my bike to and from work during non busy road periods crossing three Major roads (on a bmx, no brakes, helmet in bag yadda yadda).
Been pulled up many a time for riding without helmet, reflectors and brakes whilst doing so.

Had the same cop come after me 3 weeks in a row, argued my way out of it all three times and had to walk until out of sight.

What I was told by him is that riders are allowed on Designated footpaths providing there is no pedestrians and you abide by the road rules (keep left, stop at lights etc).

After a year of this I stopped riding started driving, cbf with this kinda bullshit and got lazy.

At around 5.45am every summers fucking morning there is a group of lycra clad fuck wits that head both down and up Welshpool rd banking traffic and being a nuisance riding 2 abreast.

Had many a clash with them taking up the Right lane past the licensing center heading east getting on the horn, abuse, giving the jolly ranger etc.

Had one follow me to work saying I cut him off one day and he was in the right lane because the road is in poor condition they may break a wheel or something bullshit.
I did cut it fine but this was around a corner where he was trying to slip around the right hand side of me and I wasn't going to have a bar of it

Ended up slapping him one in the jaw for being a fuck wit and he scampered off.

Two days later, same thing but I gave them a bit of a compression lock scare,
He follows me to work this time with 3 guys.
I was more so irritated and gave it to them all and suggested that just over on Orrong/Welshpool east there is a cyclist approved footpath, that i rode on daily for over 2yrs.

It wasn't good enough for them as the precious' may throw a wheel out of round on the possibly bumpy footpath.

(I raced bmx on skinnier lighter wheels and didn't buckle shit all over 15ft doubles and tables.)

but,
I have no respect for them on the road,
They should be on footpaths Unless crossing/ or where footpaths are unavailable (no where in the metro area, bar roads they shouldn't be on anyway)

Also the "super superior" Lycra faggots and their carbon crap need to be in the speed dome not on suburban streets if they can't handle the footpaths provided.

[Turbo2.6L]

(I raced bmx on skinnier lighter wheels and didn't buckle shit all over 15ft doubles and tables.)



How old are you & what year(s) did you race?

[SimonR32]

Road Traffic Act is now enforceable on road bikes?

Take it to court!

[fourseven]

Bicycles/cyclists are subject to the Road Traffic Code 2000, the Road Traffic Act 1974 and the Vehicle Standards Regulations 2000.

[scottiedoesntn0]

23, raced at kelmy until it closed :(
from age 12 up

[thrtytwo]

and the Vehicle Standards Regulations 2000.

does this mean they are eligible for stickys?

[scottiedoesntn0]

Nope but they try take your bike in a paddy wagon!

[Pr0state]

theres a lot of idiots out there.
Both driving a car and on bicycles...
In the city it was pretty much anything goes. the speed limit was so low that you could get away with riding in the middle of the street.
Most of the time you would be overtaking cars.
But When i was riding home i would stick as close to the kerb as possible. Would never dream of riding double abrest. Thats just asking for trouble in Perth.

Isn't their guidelines for handheld speed cameras? something about aiming them at the license plate? you think he could argue it in court if this was true.

Road traafic act is enforceable on anything with wheels
rollerblades, skateboards
If i attached wheels to my esky and did something wrong i could get fined.
This includes riding a bicycle home drunk.
Most of the time the police have common sense and dont do anything but as in that article, not always the case

[kiasu]

Also the "super superior" Lycra faggots and their carbon crap need to be in the speed dome not on suburban streets if they can't handle the footpaths provided.

you do realise theres a difference between bikes that ride on the speedome and bikes that ride on the road?..

[Kaido]

so does that mean if you lose your license you can't ride a push bike?

can you be hoon law for wheelie a push bike lol?

[fieldy]

Also the "super superior" Lycra faggots and their carbon crap need to be in the speed dome not on suburban streets if they can't handle the footpaths provided.
Awkward moment when their "carbon crap" is worth about the same as your S14 ;)

[stumps.]

Ended up slapping him one in the jaw for being a fuck wit and he scampered off.

.

LOL

[thrtytwo]

Most of the time the police have common sense and don't do anything but as in that article, not always the case

I don't see how common sense wasn't used in this example?

Guy rides bike too fast in school zone, guy receives fine. Seems pretty straight forward

[Pr0state]

I don't see how common sense wasn't used in this example?

Guy rides bike too fast in school zone, guy receives fine. Seems pretty straight forward

He's riding a bicycle.

[Brockas]

I was under the impression that reduced speed limits in school zones were to protect pedestrians.

What pedestrian is really going to get injured by a push-bike?



I think this is an instance of a TEG officer being a dick, because he can.

[Tom]

Haven't you heard? Getting hit by a treadly can kill you.

[Mad_Aussie]

15kg bike + 80 odd kg of cyclist moving at ~30kph can certainly injure/kill you if you're unlucky enough...

[Brockas]

15kg bike + 80 odd kg of cyclist moving at ~30kph can certainly injure/kill you if you're unlucky enough...
If you're unlucky enough you can be killed by a vending machine.

Seriously, there is only so much you can protect against. If I get killed by a guy running into me on a bike, then it's just my time. So be it. Besides, you have to be pretty fucking retarded to not be able to take 1 step and dodge a bike.

[Pr0state]

so does that mean if you lose your license you can't ride a push bike?

can you be hoon law for wheelie a push bike lol?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzC6yU6DhkY&sns=em

[ossie_21]

But won't somebody please think of the children??!!!

Dude just shouldn't have stopped

[RICEY]

Point is it was a school zone, hit a kid doing 56kph and there's every chance you could kill him/her.

More chance of a kid not seeing/hearing a bicycle as well.

Fair play I say.

[hako]

It wasn't good enough for them as the precious' may throw a wheel out of round on the possibly bumpy footpath.

(I raced bmx on skinnier lighter wheels and didn't buckle shit all over 15ft doubles and tables.)


I did like your story, especially the bit about him "scampering off" but it is fucking easy to bust up a road bike on Perth's sorry excuse for footpaths. Done several wheels and I weigh <75kg.

[thrtytwo]

Point is it was a school zone, hit a kid doing 56kph and there's every chance you could kill him/her.

More chance of a kid not seeing/hearing a bicycle as well.

Fair play I say.

This.

[kiasu]

its not as if the rider wasn't fully alert of his surroundings, im sure he would have hit the brakes as soon as a kid stepped out

[thrtytwo]

its not as if the rider wasn't fully alert of his surroundings, im sure he would have hit the brakes as soon as a kid stepped out

Can say the same about cars. Shit can still happen.

[RICEY]

its not as if the rider wasn't fully alert of his surroundings, im sure he would have hit the brakes as soon as a kid stepped out

Hes not going to stop instantly is he.

[MMM]

Why did he stop? so easy to get away on a push bike

[DrKarl]

Can say the same about cars. Shit can still happen.

A cyclist is 110% aware of their surroundings. Looking for glass, drains, cars, debris or anything that they're heading in the direction of that they may need to steer clear of. If a cyclist can spot a piece of glass on the road or steel wire I'm sure a kid will be fine.

[iluv2moan]

if it was to happen....id rather get hit by a push bike doing 56 ks then a car at 40.
reckon if you did some form of crash testing, they would prove that driving a car at the 'safe' road limit is potentially more dangerous.

other then getting warnings from cops as a kid for no helmet, ive only had run ins with cops in the cbd... everywhere else, they dont give a fuck if you doing wheelies/riding on the footpaths/running redlights with care or any combo of the above with no hands.

as for what cplagz? said about the underpass, the one heading south close to leederville is pretty dangerous aswell but untill they put up stop signs or somethign to abide by, as far as im concerend, there are no rules other then common sense which is subjective to say the least

[c4fgt]

A cyclist is 110% aware of their surroundings. Looking for glass, drains, cars, debris or anything that they're heading in the direction of that they may need to steer clear of. If a cyclist can spot a piece of glass on the road or steel wire I'm sure a kid will be fine.

Obviously not aware enough of his surroundings to see the bloke in the fluro yellow vest pointing what would seem to be a gun at him!

I do a fair bit of riding but I agree with above, it is probably fair play. You ride on the road, you ride by the rules. 56kms an hour is stinging it!

[DrKarl]

Obviously not aware enough of his surroundings to see the bloke in the fluro yellow vest pointing what would seem to be a gun at him!

I do a fair bit of riding but I agree with above, it is probably fair play. You ride on the road, you ride by the rules. 56kms an hour is stinging it!

I'm sure the guy would have spotted the cop, and I'm sure he would have slowed down if he knew that he'd cop a fine.

Its very rare to break the speed limit on a pushy. Considering the risks and frequency I'm saying its a tad over the top. A warning was all that was needed.

[Fozzy]

Wont some body think of the children!

[protecon]

Isn't Scarborough full of drugs and crime?
Good thing they caught a cyclist speeding.

School zones should be upgraded back to local speeds - we certainly never had a problem as kids - fuck it serves as a form of Darwinism.

[Madhav]

Why did he stop? so easy to get away on a push bike

Have actually done this a few times. Cops have asked me to stop and have just ignored them and rode off.. Not like they are gonna start chasing after me on foot.

Oh and we can't forget:

http://talklikeaphysicist.com/image-5.jpg

[TurboHead]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/cycleway-crash-kills-tourist/story-fna7dq6e-1111114882047

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/grandmother-hit-by-cyclist-dies-woman-killed-at-wongan-hills/story-e6frg14l-1225795304572

Wonder if these riders were fully aware of their surroundings?

[cplagz]

as for what cplagz? said about the underpass, the one heading south close to leederville is pretty dangerous aswell but untill they put up stop signs or somethign to abide by, as far as im concerend, there are no rules other then common sense which is subjective to say the least

That's the issue, a guy on his side of the path got hit head on by a fuckwit in too much of a hurry to dab his brakes and back off for 20m so he could have a clear LoS to overtake.

[Jiblet]

what is the stopping distance of a tredly @ 56km/h? The ones with disc brakes should be pretty good yeah?

Also agree the fine was necessary.

[TJ]

If you need any proof that some riders need to be fined, jump in a car and drive up and down Oxford St Leederville from about 6.45am - 9.00am. Its like some of them want to get killed.

[Tocchi]

^ Ryan (miganoosh) had a cyclist rage at him in the city last year ... after the cyclist crashed into the front of ryan's car (stopped at a red light) hahah

[TJ]

Cranked 7am would be ideal place for an anti bike rider suicide bomb, especially considering the owner owns the bike shop next door.

[cplagz]

Cranked 7am would be ideal place for an anti bike rider suicide bomb, especially considering the owner owns the bike shop next door.

Yeah but I wouldn't want to fuck with the owners, one of them is a big boy. However if someone else wants to do it, go for it, they screwed turbobunky out of his profit share after getting that place up and running for them.

[stumps.]

what is the stopping distance of a tredly @ 56km/h? The ones with disc brakes should be pretty good yeah?

Also agree the fine was necessary.

You could have a fair crack at setting the skid distance record from that speed

[swan]

I don't get why he stopped ....

Back in my day when surburban roads were all 60 this guy would of been going under the limit. I think I recall hearing of one kid who once got hit by a car crossing the road (only injured) at a nearby school(only time I can recall a near miss while getting to school).

But from the comments I've read about this most think the cop just about saved a life (I'm sure this wouldn't of been one of those times when the cops target a 40 zone an hour before anyone thinks that the 1st kid will arrive at school.)

I don't have a problem with bikes doing the speed limit or faster (I prefer it) just try to let others know before you do something stupid on the road .... and don't ride three abreast that just ticks me off ;)

[cplagz]

I don't get why he stopped ....

Back in my day when surburban roads were all 60 this guy would of been going under the limit. I think I recall hearing of one kid who once got hit by a car crossing the road (only injured) at a nearby school(only time I can recall a near miss while getting to school).

But from the comments I've read about this most think the cop just about saved a life (I'm sure this wouldn't of been one of those times when the cops target a 40 zone an hour before anyone thinks that the 1st kid will arrive at school.)

I don't have a problem with bikes doing the speed limit or faster (I prefer it) just try to let others know before you do something stupid on the road .... and don't ride three abreast that just ticks me off ;)

Back in your day... who gives a fuck. The speed limit is 40. He broke the speed limit. He got fined. End of fucking story.

[BAS]

If he could be bothered fighting it i reckon he would get off. Cars legally need to have working speedo so no excuse, bikes don't so how is he supposed to know how fast he was going? Chances are he had a speedo anyway but could easily argue it wasn't on or working.
Have heard of people getting fined before for speeding on bikes but it must be very rare, most cops probably have better things to do. I wouldn't think to slow down in a 40 zone if i was belting down a hill unless there were heaps of cars and people around.

[V70R]

What difference would it make if a skateboarder was clocked at 56km/h ?

[Alt_F4]

What difference would it make if a skateboarder was clocked at 56km/h ?
Not much to the kid getting knocked over, but skateboards are classified as toys and technically aren't allowed on main roads.

For the Australian Road Rules, a person in or on a wheeled recreational device or wheeled toy is a pedestrian, not a rider (as in cyclist) and not a vehicle. The laws that relate to skateboards apply within Part 14 (Rules for pedestrians) of the Australian Road Rules. Part 14 - Division 1 is about pedestrian laws. Division 2 relates to pedestrians of wheeled recreational devices.

[perthute]

does this mean he could get done for going 20 under has well ???

[skidkid]

The Road Traffic Act 1974 section 104A states:

104A. Demerit point offences in WA

(1) The regulations may prescribe an offence under this Act as a demerit point offence in WA, and specify the number of demerit points applying to the offence.

(2) An offence cannot be a demerit point offence in WA unless it involves the driving or use of a motor vehicle.

(3) Regulations referred to in subsection (1) may distinguish between offences according to the circumstances in which they are committed.



Seems like it will just be cash, no points for him.

[_S9_]

95% of "road cyclists" are cvnts.

7:10am - Peak hour on Stirling Highway - the tards have the nerve to ride 2-sometimes 3-abreast!

Traffic in the morning is generally pretty safe, but throw in any little unexpected disruption of flow - and it can have dangerous effects. I've seen motorists panic as they come around a corner to find 2 cyclists abreast in their lane, swerve to avoid and force the vehicle in the right hand lane jump a median strip.

Single-file or on the footpath you dumb fucks.

The nerve of them - they even have the balls to give you the finger when you beep at them for being unsafe.

/rant

Just to add: I ride a mountain bike quite a bit - and always on the footpath - there's no way in hell I would put myself on the road - especially in peak hour.

[Mad_Aussie]

95% of "road cyclists" are cvnts.

95% of r33 owners are pingpingpingpings

Statistics are great when facts aren't involved

[kiasu]

law states you are supposed to ride 2 abreast on the road, and footpath is a fine. think it comes down to driver training?

[Brockas]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it illegal for a cyclist to ride on a footpath?

[RGVFAST]

If its a designated duel use foot path you can. But its illegal to ride on a normal footpath outside your house or down to the shop.

Its interesting to note that there is no speed limit when riding on a dual use foot path were there is a much higher chance of pedesterian interaction, but it is illegal to ride above the speed limit on the road...

[Alt_F4]

law states you are supposed to ride 2 abreast on the road, and footpath is a fine. think it comes down to driver training?
Law states that you CAN ride 2 abreast on the road (max 1.5m apart i.e. not hogging the whole lane), and footpath is only fine if your under 12 or is a shared use footpath

[newbie101]

what these spandex covered tards fail to realise is, being in the right, is no fucking good to you if you are laying dead on the road.

if half the shit these moronic window lickers on pushbikes get up to, were attempted by any other road user, apart from the general rage directed at them by everyone else, our road toll would be in the thousands.

Plus, to those of you on here that seem quite adept at quoting laws and stuff, I would LOVE to see exactly where it says to ride 2 abreast is OK. Every fucking excercise book I ever had at school always had shit on the back of it about how to ride safely, and I remember the biggest one was NEVER ride anything but single file. How else are drivers supposed to give them their 1 metre clearance without causing a head on collision with oncoming traffic?

[RGVFAST]

Cyclists ride 2 abreast to make sure a car driver over takes them as if they were a normal car, eg Crosses the middle line. Single file allows the driver to think they can squeeze past and potentially knock the rider off.

It is defintely Legal and encouraged on narrow roads where the cyclist is exposed.

*Edit* obviously it doesn't cement good relationships between drivers and cyclists, though it does keep cyclists alive.

[kiasu]

law states you are supposed to ride 2 abreast on the road, and footpath is a fine. think it comes down to driver training?

Law states that you CAN ride 2 abreast on the road (max 1.5m apart i.e. not hogging the whole lane), and footpath is only fine if your under 12 or is a shared use footpath
:)


Plus, to those of you on here that seem quite adept at quoting laws and stuff, I would LOVE to see exactly where it says to ride 2 abreast is OK. Every fucking excercise book I ever had at school always had shit on the back of it about how to ride safely, and I remember the biggest one was NEVER ride anything but single file. How else are drivers supposed to give them their 1 metre clearance without causing a head on collision with oncoming traffic?
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/cycling/1974.asp

[RGVFAST]

:)


http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/cycling/1974.asp

"Must not hold onto another moving vehicle or be towed by it. "

haha This used to be my main method of getting to west perth without having ot huff and puff up the hill. The Burswood tram would be the free ride up malcolm street.

[Alt_F4]

LOL I must of read that with an italian accent...

[Joe]

Why so much bicycle hate?

Bikes were invented before cars.. if anything, cars should get off the road for bikes

[Evilteddy]

Last thing we need is too much bicycle vs car debate... Don't need the City of Perth chopping up the streets(again) from 1 dedicated car lane and 1 dedicated bus lane to spend 232013910391209 months putting in a dedicated bike lane as well.

[_S9_]

Law states that you CAN ride 2 abreast on the road (max 1.5m apart i.e. not hogging the whole lane)

The law also states that you CAN overtake when there is a broken white line in the middle of the road.

Doesn't make it safe when there is another car coming the other way - or indemnify for you from any wrongdoing by causing an accident.

(OR give you the right to give the oncoming driver the middle finder)

[Mad_Aussie]

Really, the people having a cry about cyclists are the same people who would never get off their arses and ride a bike. Sour grapes from people with no idea. Sure, there's a few deadshit cyclists out there, but I'm willing to bet there's far more deadshit drivers in Perth.

[scottiedoesntn0]

No sorry, you just wouldn't catch me in lycra because thats just gay as fuck.
Or on something with less spokes than chain links!



Really, the people having a cry about cyclists are the same people who would never get off their arses and ride a bike. Sour grapes from people with no idea. Sure, there's a few deadshit cyclists out there, but I'm willing to bet there's far more deadshit drivers in Perth.



Statistics are great when facts aren't involved

On a roll today!
Back to behind the desk Warrior, away from that keyboard!

[Alt_F4]

The law also states that you CAN overtake when there is a broken white line in the middle of the road.

Doesn't make it safe when there is another car coming the other way - or indemnify for you from any wrongdoing by causing an accident.

(OR give you the right to give the oncoming driver the middle finder)
Yep I agree. I was replying to a post above mine that made it sound like it was mandatory

law states you are supposed to ride 2 abreast on the road

[James_2007]

reminds me of this..

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[hako]

Why so much bicycle hate?

This is Antilag Joe, any cycling related thread turns into incoherent rants about lycra clad roadies.

Get over it pingpingpingpings, each cyclist is one less car holding you up in peak hour anyway.

[s1mon]

This is Antilag Joe, any cycling related thread turns into incoherent rants about lycra clad roadies.

Get over it pingpingpingpings, each cyclist is one less car holding you up in peak hour anyway.

qft ^^

The rider should fight this. He just needs to prove in a court of law that there is no way he could tell how fast he was going as the law doesnt stipulate push bikes require a working, calibrated speedo.

[S_E]

dickhead deserves the fine. Try telling the poor bloke in a wheelchair from a collision @ Claremont underpass that speeding fines are stupid for cyclists. He got cleaned up by some idiot overtaking on a blind corner.

So it wasn't caused by speed then? much like most car crashes..




You guys saying cyclists should get fined for all sorts of random car rules need your heads testing. That kind of thinking, trying to penalize other people for relatively innocuous activities is exactly why we get fucked in cars. Grow the fuck up. This is why we can't have nice things.

This x 11ty

I generally don't have any problems with cyclists on the road, should I be outraged or something?

[TJ]

Really, the people having a cry about cyclists are the same people who would never get off their arses and ride a bike. Sour grapes from people with no idea. Sure, there's a few deadshit cyclists out there, but I'm willing to bet there's far more deadshit drivers in Perth.

LOL what a stupid argument


Really, the people having a cry about rapists are the same people who would never get off their arses and rape a child. Sour grapes from people with no idea. Sure, there's a few deadshit rapists out there, but I'm willing to bet there's far more deadshit non rapists in Perth.

[fourseven]

KEK!

[DrKarl]

The slightest amount of patience is required when a cyclist is on the road. Much like merging really which shouldn't be hard at all but due to the dumbshits wanting to gain a car length we all end up stopped doing fuck all.

[RK 86 WA]

^ Ryan (miganoosh) had a cyclist rage at him in the city last year ... after the cyclist crashed into the front of ryan's car (stopped at a red light) hahah

Sort of.

Was coming to a intersection and slowing down from 60-40ish to make a right turn (green light). As I begin to pass through the intersection, some dumb fuck cyclist has ridden straight through the intersection, t-boned my car, barrel rolled over my bonnet whilst his bike scratched the fuck out of the front of my car. Fucking pingpingpingping had the balls to yell at me and tell me that I was a pingpingpingping and had fucked up his bike. All the time I had come to a stop mid intersection thinking I had killed some stupid pingpingpingping. Anyways, the fucker then rides off after a few more choice words.

Basically after that incident, FUCK CYCLISTS. ESPECIALLY YOU STUPID FUCKING pingpingpingpingS THAT RIDE PELLATON STYLE DOWN FUCKING MOUNTS BAY ROAD/OTHER BUSY AREAS.

/Rage. FUCK!!! remembering that stupid pingpingpingpings face has got me mad again :@

[-Luke-]

*Peloton





Rage on....

[cplagz]

No sorry, you just wouldn't catch me in lycra because thats just gay as fuck.
Or on something with less spokes than chain links!


Average MTB chain length - 108 links..... go back to smashing your face into BMX dirt jumps kid. Forums are for the big kids.

[cplagz]

So it wasn't caused by speed then? much like most car crashes..


The factor of speed put the guy in the wheelchair. Had the crash happened at a slower pace, dare I say he'd probably be ok. Piss poor decision by some fuck too impatient to wait results in daily commuter in wheelchair for life, who gets the tougher sentence on that one.

[ben351]

If they are going to fine them for speeding then they should be fined for not being able to travel at 70km along Thomas Road in Nedlands in the mornings ... pingpingpingpings slow me down EVERY FUCKING DAY !!!

[dagonite]

Being from over east and having lived all up and down the east, this state is the worst by far at everything they do, in particular, not getting out of the right laneHaving just come back from a few work trips to Brisbane, I feel completely justified in saying that cyclists in this city can put up or shut up.

It sucks that the provisions are not made for you in Perth, but that does NOT mean you get to do whatever the fuck you want on road along with larger, more dangerous vehicles.

Brisbane and it's car roads + 2 lane cyclepaths + walkways is the only way to go. Beautifully planned & laid out.

But what's important?
A ridiculously expensive new waterfront to prove that Perth has as much taste as Dubai.

God. Fuck. Aaarrgh. Goddammit.