Spending 30K on a 4wd , What would you be buying or staying away from ? new to 4wd

[H1GHROLLR]

Hey laggers as title states im in the market for a 4by and dont really want to spend anymore then about 30 grand all up , so just wondering what you would spend your hard earned pennys on and what you would stay clear of. obviously im not going for a all out serious comp truck rig just something i can still drive pretty daily but also very capable of hitting some sand tracks/dunes and some light bush dutie , probs be doing some long road trips too so comfort wouldnt be too bad either , so pretty much looking for a fairly tough bus that will still behave and not cause to much reliability issues , cheers for any feed back and info guys as i said i have never really played with 4by's before but seems like its time to have a crack .... :D

[SSICK]

have a crack...lol

id go a colorado, had one up in the dunes last weekend and it did all and more my mate lifted Navara did.

try the 4x4 section.

[Lasoya]

GU Patrol 4.2L turbo diesel or a Cruiser of some sort would be my pick

[South]

4 door JK with suspension and tyres would be a good choice for work and play.

A dual cab is OK if needing to cart shit around, will do what you want, unless you want to do the real hard lines.

Pootrol or Cruiser if you want to plod along the country side reliably.

[Pete]

I'm in the same thoughts atm, and I'm heading towards a Jeep Rubicon.

Electric Front + rear lockers, Electric Swaybar Disconnects, rockcrawler transfer case with a 6 speed manual, better interior then the standard Wrangler, and few other bits. Comfy driving, can take the top off off, and if you drop the seats out and hose the interior if it gets muddy.

2 of my mates run them, and had them for a few years now, and i've worked on both doing suspension lifts etc, and it's pretty simple on them.

Pete.

[H1GHROLLR]

Opps shitballs 4wd section would have been a better place to post my bad

[Turbo2.6L]

100 series cruiser with mods, turbo diesel obviously.
Late model GU common rail TD
Colorado with mods

In that order for me personally, but all are capable of what you want to do with it.

[H1GHROLLR]

colorado do look pretty tough with a few mods too , whats the go with the suspension in the rear of them ? any good or aids ?

[Niva]

1x Lada
25k worth of extasy

drop until its the best descision you ever made

[H1GHROLLR]

1x Lada
25k worth of extasy

drop until its the best descision you ever made

Already seems like the most logical thing to do ! thanks niva and its friday ! the perfect day to bring the plan to action ?

[South]

Not going to find a 100 TD with mods for 30k

[ForgedV6]

I would chose the D-Max over the Colorado.

[DRKWRX]

I got my GU Patrol last of the Di motors and its been fine went up north etc.. got a batch of shit diesel and it survived it lol not sure the commonrail motor would have!

[H1GHROLLR]

hey DRKWRX how much did you pay for your gu ? pretty awesome looking rig !

[TJ]

R50 Toerag

[devilfish]

For play - Rubicon 2 door might just pick one up second hand...

For touring a cruiser

[DRKWRX]

I paid 32k from a dealer probably a bit high but needed one soon, 05model 112km on the clock, was stock when i bought it.

[Turbo2.6L]

Not going to find a 100 TD with mods for 30k

Would leave a couple of thousand for suspension after lowball...

http://perth.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-Landcruiser-Turbo-Diesel-100-GXL-Series-W0QQAdIdZ339127446


I'm sure there's plenty more in that price range

[Passage GT]

for pure offroad a rubicon.
for all rounder with bit of off-road a late model dual cab.
for comfort and touring with good off road, cruiser or patrol, you'd get a s4 onwards crd patrol for your money or an older cruiser, a gxl td in price range will have bulk km's (as above)
personally if i had to have a cruiser it'd be a 105 gxl with a 1hz and aftermarket turbo setup, otherwise i'd look for a GU.
won't find a 4.2 gu without bulk km's in your price range either.

[Turbo2.6L]

kms mean SFA in a TD that has been serviced correctly. Just don't buy one without atleast a partial service history & that has done stupid kms, aka 500,000+.

[South]

KMs don't mean much, but at 300k if the pump and injectors haven't been done, you'll be dumping 4-5k on getting them rebuilt. Then the rest of the mods to bring a stocker up to scratch.

If you want a HDJ100R have 70k ready.

[Turbo2.6L]

kms mean SFA in a TD that has been serviced correctly. Just don't buy one without atleast a partial service history & that has done stupid kms, aka 500,000+.

...

[South]

You would drop ~15% of the cars worth on servicing before selling at the recommended interval?

[Turbo2.6L]

If i wanted market value, yes. Better yet i'd sell it prior to the recommended interval or keep it for longer after it was done.

[mys1]

pingpingpingpings pay to much coin for TD toyboatas

[upgarage]

hzj105r + turbo kit is much better value than a hdj100r

105 also has bulletproof driveline whereas hdj has IFS

[mys1]

Totally different bottom end on the NA6's to the turbos

Life expectancy shortens dramatically with boost!

[TargaHatch]

What are the Jeep's like on-road and interior wise? Are they comfortable on long trips?

Sorry for the thread hi-jack.

[Passage GT]

yeah apparently the atmo 1hz's will be ok with low boost but they have weak rods, mate of mine has avoided turbo'ing his 80 series for that very reason.
also the front diff on a 105 is smaller and therefore weaker than the one that came out in the 80 also, ideal late model landcruiser in my mind is a 105 with 80s front diff and a 1hdfte.
South wtf are you doing, i've agreed with everything you've said this thread, shits not right :)
silvertop td42's are great because you can rebuild the pump and smash big amounts of boost into them and they're reliability isn't compromised (provided they're tuned right like anything else)

[devilfish]

What are the Jeep's like on-road and interior wise? Are they comfortable on long trips?

Sorry for the thread hi-jack.

i love mine, suspension if lifted needs to be done properly, interior is a bit low rent on older models, 2011+ are smicko, seats are very comfy, come for a ride if your thinking of buying one. just remember its a solid axle with ladder chassis vehicle, the 2 doors can be choppy if lifted poorly, the 4 doors are excellent but slow in v6 form. Turbo Diesel auto 4 door would be the pick.

[South]

Dunno Passage, maybe you have finally matured and realised I was right all along. Maybe we should buy a camry and cross the Simo together ;)

1HZ has a crap head too, well by nature of the combustion too much heat and they can crack. Then again plenty of them running about boosted, if you only plan on having it for a short time, it can be someone else's problem, much like IP and Injectors not being serviced as intended (very common!!!) Who in their right mind would drop 5k on those parts before knowing they will sell, ain't going to make jack difference to sale value.

[BOSS 290]

Concur with pingpingpingpings paying too much for 100 series TD Cruisers. How good is an engine that needs oil/filter changing every 5000kms, wtf????

Try looking for an NP/NS Pajero DI-D, reliable and capable 4WD.

[Lukey]

land drover defenders,

under dog, but have coils all round(comfy plus easily lifted) still useable for work, and bulletproof enough to drive around the country

[South]

So all of us that service our performance toys every 5k and some more frequently with full syn oils have shit engines too?

100TD jumped 10-15k in price when the 200 came out. I was about to buy one 3yrs ago for 52k that was immaculate, sub 100k kms, seriously tidy. Same thing now would be 65k

Much like the 80 series, shit ones are selling for 20k now, all because the 1HD-FT commands a huge price tag, numptys with the lesser 1HD-T think they have something special when they don't...

Anyways, 100 TD is out of scope.

4 door JK, spend bulk on it and sell to me for less :)

[BOSS 290]

So all of us that service our performance toys every 5k and some more frequently with full syn oils have shit engines too?

100TD jumped 10-15k in price when the 200 came out. I was about to buy one 3yrs ago for 52k that was immaculate, sub 100k kms, seriously tidy. Same thing now would be 65k

Much like the 80 series, shit ones are selling for 20k now, all because the 1HD-FT commands a huge price tag, numptys with the lesser 1HD-T think they have something special when they don't...

Anyways, 100 TD is out of scope.

4 door JK, spend bulk on it and sell to me for less :)

Performance toys are a little different than a factory engine that requires oil changing at every 5000kms.

That is all.

[PHIL]

Performance toys are a little different than a factory engine that requires oil changing at every 5000kms.

That is all.

they dont require it every 5000kms but when a 1hdft cost double to rebuild than what 99% of petrol engines do i would be servicing it every 5000kms aswell. i service my 2.8d lux with turbo every 5000kms and there cheap to rebuild or find another one.

[BOSS 290]

they dont require it every 5000kms but when a 1hdft cost double to rebuild than what 99% of petrol engines do i would be servicing it every 5000kms aswell. i service my 2.8d lux with turbo every 5000kms and there cheap to rebuild or find another one.
Oil technology is not what it was 20 years ago. But it people are happy to change oil frequently then good for them.

[South]

$100 in oil and filter every 5k, vs a $14,000 rebuild because I couldn't afford the running costs, hmmm

[upgarage]

Totally different bottom end on the NA6's to the turbos

Life expectancy shortens dramatically with boost!

Plenty of turbo 1hz's which have done bulk km's with no issues

mtqes would be good people to speak to

[South]

Are you referring to the ones on PF that are recommending the use of a top mount heaters? Pop your hoot and touch one after a run with a TMI and you will melt your skin away.

[v10_power]

owed 06 Prado

they are awesome car

suggest for prado

[tinto]

Discovery 3 SE 2.7TD

[Boza]

owed 06 Prado

they are awesome car

suggest for prado

x 2 on the prado although spend the extra and get the grande...

[Boza]

Plenty of turbo 1hz's which have done bulk km's with no issues

mtqes would be good people to speak to

the amount that have grenaded in due time as opposed to those that haven't aren't even on the same page...

[BOSS 290]

the amount that have grenaded in due time as opposed to those that haven't aren't even on the same page...

Toyota's unreliable then???

[Passage GT]

leave the 1hz atmo and service it regularly and they'll last longer than we will, they have a reputation for not liking turbos in standard form.

[mys1]

Toyota's unreliable then???

Only when you bolt on a Turbo and wind boost into a motor that wasn't designed for it....


Servicing every 5k's comes mainly form used car yards and commercial warrantys - last time I checked it was 12 months or 10,000 on the Toyboata as a factory recomendation?

Your oil intervals should be dependant on the type of driving you do. If its stop start and to short trips I'd be doing it every 5,000 - If you start the car and drive it 400Km's a trip i'd be on the upper end of the scale.

[South]

Toyota's unreliable then???

Put a turbo on any N/A motor and its longevity will die in the arse

1HZ has a pre-combustion chamber, put more heat into that and it goes bye bye sooner rather than later

Atleast tojo can make a TD engine that doesn't fail upon turning on

[Passage GT]

Put a turbo on any N/A motor and its longevity will die in the arse

1HZ has a pre-combustion chamber, put more heat into that and it goes bye bye sooner rather than later

Atleast tojo can make a TD engine that doesn't fail upon turning on

lol, do some research on a silvertop td42, they fucking love boost and last just as long as stock with a turbo strapped to the side, actually research it...seriously.

[South]

fully aware of the silver tops, they were well over engineered for what they were intended for. The black top TDs are actually weaker.

[Passage GT]

They were actually designed and built by UD for their light trucks and forklifts, hence their longevity, Nissan bought UD in the late 80s and nabbed it for the Patrol

[South]

So that would explain why they are gutless even with bulk boost :P

[Boza]

Toyota's unreliable then???

Quoting them unreliable given the circumstances & variables i think is a bit harsh...

I won't deny the fact Toyota have there fair share of problems (what car manufacturer doesn't ?) & those who are one eyed mitsubishi or nissan would be quick to deem them 'unreliable', although i do think they would still be miles behind there oppositions when it comes to leading the way of failures or being 'unreliable'...

[South]

You'd be surprised how many issues the VDJ engine has too

All engines have their issues, it's about how they are resolved that makes a good manufacturer and keeping those faults to a minimum.

[firestorm]

My 88 gq will cruise up greenmount hill at 60km/h while towing over 2 ton on the trailer and not at 100% load either :) Not bad for an old duck with half a million km on it and a baby non intercooled DTS turbo kit slapped on it! (td05 mitsu)

[South]

Yep because if you could go any faster you'd overheat

[ASSASIN]

http://perth.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-LS1-PATROL-LIFTED-35TIRES-EVERYTHING-PERMITTED-W0QQAdIdZ349109439

Problem solvered

[MrSparkle]

http://perth.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-LS1-PATROL-LIFTED-35TIRES-EVERYTHING-PERMITTED-W0QQAdIdZ349109439

Problem solvered

How does that solve any problems?

[South]

Removes the ZD30 so no blown bottom end, and replaces with an LS1 so you get slap happy bottom end... One problem gone, another found...

[DRKWRX]

later model Di motors are alright is just the older ones.

[ASSASIN]

How does that solve any problems?

4wd 30k good running gear, good mods, no lazy POS Diesel just a nice LS

Problem solvered

[Passage GT]

zd30 was reliable from s3 onwards, most people still do the catch can and blocked egr mod just to prevent carbon build up, this is a good idea on any modern diesel, already done it on the old mans' triton too, over heating is subject to cooling system maintenance, look after it and they don't overheat, same as anything else, it's not an 'issue' just too many lazy pingpingpingpings run their cars into the ground without any basic maintenance.
people also making 250+ rwhp from the td42 which is damn impressive for an old school designed motor, no twin cams, dohc valves or 8 cylinders, more than enough for a forby.

[rathies]

have a look at petrol/gas. $10k cheaper than diesels, less service intervals and still plenty of torque if its a 4.2 or 4.5 Patrol/Cruiser. Diesel + manual/auto = good, petrol + auto = good, Petrol + manual = bogged easy in sand

[Passage GT]

have a look at petrol/gas. $10k cheaper than diesels, less service intervals and still plenty of torque if its a 4.2 or 4.5 Patrol/Cruiser. Diesel + manual/auto = good, petrol + auto = good, Petrol + manual = bogged easy in sand

lol two of the best cars i've driven in sand have been petrol manuals, my lwb gq and my brothers l28 shorty mq, that old shorty was probably the best car i've driven on sand, did it soo easy, my tyres bag out nicely so i've never had problems in sand, better than most cars i've travelled with.

[rathies]

The torque delivery is instant with a diesel. I had a td42 patrol and you could start in any low range gear in the sand no problems. if you want a pos petrol 4wd buy a v6 Pajero, they have no torque and too much power.

[South]

Sand driving wants revs and power to get up on top, torque will bury you quickly!

[ASSASIN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5LVLtigxCs

Tell this guy he has no torque, LS compared to V6 Pagero is no contest.

[South]

A 1.6L zook rolling on 40s with the right gearing is going to do the same as above, bury the throttle and its going to rip along, with f'all torque

I bet you my TD has more torque than that LS, it just can't rev like that

[ASSASIN]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m64/scorch220/0904phr_12_zgm_performance_parts_lsx_454dyno_chart .jpg

Here is the torque graph from an LSX454 crate motor

[South]

What's your point?

[Niva]

A 1.6L zook rolling on 40s with the right gearing is going to do the same as above, bury the throttle and its going to rip along, with f'all torque



with a top speed of 6

[ForgedV6]

I wish i wasn't buying a fucking house. Would have bought this in a heartbeat!

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/toyota-hilux%20surf-1995-12013636?cr=10&distance=25&vertical=Car&eapi=2&page=1&sort=~Price&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%20904%2042946 96630%20937&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,20000~1|Mileage:Min,200000|Year:Mi n,Max|Seats:Min,Max|EngineSize:Min,Max

[ASSASIN]

What's your point?

You said you had more torque in your TD so i put up the graph of the engine in the buggy so were is your graph ?

[DT95WA]

The torque delivery is instant with a diesel. I had a td42 patrol and you could start in any low range gear in the sand no problems. if you want a pos petrol 4wd buy a v6 Pajero, they have no torque and too much power.

was it torque, or riding the clutch to get it going? doubt you can off the clutch in 5th, low 4x4 on sand and not stall it. Shit opinion is shit.

[Lukey]

Who the fuck would off clutch 5th low. Shit idea is shit.

3rd low in pretty much any box is the way to go

[Niva]

I often drop 5th in the dry