Fixed Speed Camera Working Wonders

[ossie_21]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/mitchell-freeway-closed-between-karrinyup-and-reid/story-e6frg13u-1226231355660

[mr_mike]

lol no suprise, a few of my mates that drive that section of road regularly were tellin me yesterday thats its absolutly retarded thru that section now. literally 5km before and after the camera location people are doing 80kph and it just backs up and fucks everything up.

[Rich]

you mean speed isnt the cause of all accidents??? they happen for other reasons too?!! wait until the public find out about this. They will be pissed that the government spends so much money on cameras when they do nothing to reduce the number of accidents on our roads!

[Chompy]

literally 5km before and after the camera location people are doing 80kph and it just backs up and fucks everything up.

so the speed cameras are working, people are slowing down

[Yakky Bear]

what pisses me off more is that they will say that the camera was successful in saving lives on the stretch of road.

seriously who the fuck are you trying to fool?
of course the trial will run well and of course they will install more camera's.
I'd like to know where the money gained from these cameras really goes.
apparently it goes into some road trauma trust fund, but where after that.. i dont see our roads improving? or better driver training/learners course's being mandatory.

[dmwill]

There is no such way to determine the effectiveness of speed cameras.

If they catch lots of speeders - they will assume more cameras are needed.

If it reduces speeding - they will assume it's slowing people down, so they will put more cameras in.

[schnoods]

There is no such way to determine the effectiveness of speed cameras.

If they catch lots of speeders - they will assume more cameras are needed.

If it reduces speeding - they will assume it's slowing people down, so they will put more cameras in.

I dont mind them to a degree as they are only enforcing a speed limit that is posted clearly. But everyone knows they depend on the revenue that they take in from speeders and that makes it hard to swallow. From what i gathered it also goes into drink driving and safety advertisements as well as road trauma.

Its a shame that we are just playing catch up witht he rest of the world as well as over east and it looks grim with the amount of fixed speed cameras that will be introduced. I dare say yearly rego checks will come in soon too...

[mr_mike]

To be honest i dont really care about fixed or moveable speed cameras, you speed you get caught take it on the chin. But Perth drivers are to fucking retarded they know there is a speed camera in a certain area so they dont speed but they dont even do the fucking speed limit. These cameras should pick up and fine poeple that are also doing under 90kph on the freeway. As it is a fineable offence to do more than 10kph under the speed limit on a 100kph+ road. Would obviously need to be some sort of exclusion for peak hour traffic but if everyone was doing the speed limit there would probably be less traffic backing up anyway.

Car is damaged, not confident to drive at speed or cant do 90kph then GET THE FUCK OFF THE FREEWAY! Perth is that small you can easily get about with using the freeway.

[MattyP]

What I'm not liking is all the pingpingpingpings slamming the brakes on the opposite side of the freeway to where the camera is, thinking it will pick them up too.

[Macca]

pfft had fuckall to do with the camera. that accident happened past reid by a fuckwit trying to push into a lane

[mc68]

anyone else see that the falcon just before Karrinyup road today that had hit the guardrail hard enough, pushed it back and launched up the concrete bollard against the train line and landed back in the middle lane after rolling? How anyone manages to do that on a straight bit of road is just head scratching...

[SircatmaN]

When I was going home last week from work everyone was dropping to 50kmph for the camera, its a fucking joke. It made an already shithouse drive home even more unbearable. Also always crashes there now.

[Macca]

i travel it everyday. 1st accident i have seen there. go fish

[SircatmaN]

i travel it everyday. 1st accident i have seen there. go fish

So do I, One of us obviously isn't looking hard enough or travels at different times

[mehow2g]

That is the leanest article I have read about a car crash Ive read for years. surprise surprise.

[mr_rotary]

So what is the magic number of speed camera's required for zero fatalities?

[Brockas]

So what is the magic number of speed camera's required for zero fatalities?
For zero fatalities, the speed limit everywhere must be under 10km/h.

If the speed limit is not that, there must be an 'acceptable' level of deaths from the governments perspective.



Trade-off between deaths and convenience.

[TurboHead]

^ mr mike, It's an offense to travel under 20km/h under the freeway limit - not 10 under... And only if traffic allows you to drive faster.

[luke20t]

It's an offense to travel under 20km/h under the freeway limit - not 10 under... And only if traffic allows you to drive faster.

Brockas is saying that if the speed limits everywhere were to be 10kmh max there would be zero fatalities.

I dont have to deal with this camera as i live off karrinyup road and dont drive past it whichever way i go :)

[S_E]

For zero fatalities, the speed limit everywhere must be under 10km/h.

If the speed limit is not that, there must be an 'acceptable' level of deaths from the governments perspective.



There would still be deaths even at 10kmh, Perth's drivers really are that retarded.

[2JZA70]

Perth is ffucked up...people dont give way when merging into freeways, stay in the right hand lane slowing down the flow of traffic!! I come from melbourne and they know how to drive lol RAGE!!! Cameras nothing new in melbourne almost every freaking traffic light has a speed camera NANNY State!

[Yakky Bear]

lol yeah melb's has had them or years. Take a page out of their book perth.

[Crispymk2]

There would still be deaths even at 10kmh, Perth's drivers really are that retarded.

Yep, there will still be people who park on their kids head in their own driveway.

Speed is really not the issue.

[Chompy]

is it just me who noticed that the third car back in the left lane, looks like a pathfinder/navara (when looking at the photo) looks like they are on the phone?
and dont worry about the green lancer that just cut in front of somebody,

[duste]

is it just me who noticed that the third car back in the left lane, looks like a pathfinder/navara (when looking at the photo) looks like they are on the phone?
This is very true - I've never seen anyone simply rest their head on the hand whilst driving. Someone report that pingpingpingping for talking on a mobile whilst driving!



and dont worry about the green lancer that just cut in front of somebody,
Also very true, because it's quite clear from that photo that the silver car behind the Lancer did not back off and let the Lancer merge over.

Perhaps we should also report the cars in the right hand lane - the photo makes it look like they're speeding.

[Chompy]

2. Also very true, because it's quite clear from that photo that the silver car behind the Lancer did not back off and let the Lancer merge over.

wait a minute! we are supposed to back off and let them merge, i thought this was wa, you have to fight for your lane?

[Yakky Bear]

clearly more speed camera's needed...

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/one-dead-im-horror-roleystone-crash/story-e6frg13u-1226231634112

[Brett_J]

I hit the freeway heading north at canning hwy yesterday early evening. I thought my speedo was fucked, hardly any cars really and everyone is doing 90km/h, finally get past everyone and then hit Mitchell, people cruising along at 80 where it switches which is ok, then they see the camera signs, bang - 60km/h !
Fuck I hate it here for driving, full of paranoid idiots that can't merge or drive at all.

[crabman]

Im lucky enough that every now and then before work on Albany hwy I get to drive with a group of people who all do 70 to sometimes 80 heading towards the city past cannington cop shop and everything. Still a few decent drivers out there.

Im sick of half these stupid comparisons of holiday road tolls between states, what is the actual point of comparing 'holiday period' road tolls when they dont factor in people just heading home from work or poor pingpingpingpings hitting roos while riding a motorbike (something no road safety campaign is going to fix unless 12ft chain link fences on road sides is an inclusion)

Too many dumb pingpingpingpings these days. And who the fuck decides speed limits too?? Why the fuck are some roads posted at like 60 with minimal side streets/house frontages but there are death trap (yet fun for some) off camber corners in the country at 110. Then a off shoot from the road at 60 has a limit of 70 with more street frontages.

/road emo rage

[dattoman]

clearly more speed camera's needed...

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/one-dead-im-horror-roleystone-crash/story-e6frg13u-1226231634112

Clearly roadside trees are to blame

[Yakky Bear]

Clearly roadside trees are to blame

Did you not see it was in italics? Go back to school.

[DanWA]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/car-impounded-hours-after-teen-hoon-gets-licence/story-e6frg13u-1226232110664

[stormtrooper]

Was about to post that myself Dan. That, absolutely fucking screams the fact that there is fuck all driver education or proper testing in place for people to pass their test and obtain a license.

[DanWA]

its not just new drivers either, mega amounts of cocky 25-30 year olds. just look around here.

[Chompy]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/car-impounded-hours-after-teen-hoon-gets-licence/story-e6frg13u-1226232110664

A surrender notice has been issued for the man's car.



So they say it was a speed camera yet had a hand held camera as the picture?

[DanWA]

media for you hahahaha

[Macca]

Was about to post that myself Dan. That, absolutely fucking screams the fact that there is fuck all driver education or proper testing in place for people to pass their test and obtain a license.

So if he had advanced driver training and different testing he wouldnt have been showing off and getting caught?

[Brett_J]

So if he had advanced driver training and different testing he wouldnt have been showing off and getting caught?

Different testing may have stopped him getting his license.

[crabman]

Not really, for all we know the guy may be an absolute guru behind the wheel. You can't really test people for their driving attitude once the 'test' hat is taken off and the licence is obtained. Thats something that has to be taught, and you have to accept a part of it would/will fall on deaf ears.

[Chompy]

So if he had advanced driver training and different testing he wouldnt have been showing off and getting caught?

correct, just like if there was a speed camera on the palm tree on riverside drive those guys would not have crashed into it

[stormtrooper]

Different testing may have stopped him getting his license.

Good point.

Also more that if they were shown what could happen to them at those speeds should they lose control, and be made to see the consequences of said actions with graphic footage/imagery as well, might make them think twice next time.

[Yakky Bear]

Good point.

Also more that if they were shown what could happen to them at those speeds should they lose control, and be made to see the consequences of said actions with graphic footage/imagery as well, might make them think twice next time.

so just like the stop smoking campaign's?

they are working real well

they dont need to see what can happen to themselves
They need to see what happens to their friends, family's & family's of others if they were to die/kill their friends in a vehicle accident from driving recklessly.

[stormtrooper]

Not talking about an advertising campaign either! Fuck advertising campaigns, we ALL know they are fucking useless. Needs to be up close and personal, like mandatory seminars or some shit where it's shoved in their face.

[Chompy]

Not talking about an advertising campaign either! Fuck advertising campaigns, we ALL know they are fucking useless. Needs to be up close and personal, like mandatory seminars or some shit where it's shoved in their face.

people that have been affected by it, ie; guy that jumped the curb and killed the woman in maylands after having his license for 5 days or something like that?

[Yakky Bear]

people have the attitude"it wont happen to me ill be right" but its like anything, until it happens to them they choose to ignore it. Weather its shoved in their faces or not.

like smoking, its not a problem to them until its too late.

[crabman]

Good point.

Also more that if they were shown what could happen to them at those speeds should they lose control, and be made to see the consequences of said actions with graphic footage/imagery as well, might make them think twice next time.

Are you fucking serious?? Show images of drivers fucked up from crashes that occur at 120kph (What that guy was clocked at doing) and the majority of useless young (predominately female) drivers out there with zero confidence behind the wheel will be made even worse, especially on country roads. Leaving people like me having to make riskier overtakes to make it to holiday destinations on time :P

Yes hard hitting campaigns are required as all the ones in Aus are too soft, euro ads are hard hitting, but they need to be about more than the drivers welfare, more about flow on affects of a crash, exactly what all the euro ones do. But again, so much of it will fall on deaf ears its not funny. As Jason says, look at smokers, everyone that doesnt smoke cant understand the levels stupidity involved to keep on doing it, but the smokers dont give a shit.

[duste]

Anyone else thinking there is far too much italics crap happening lately?

[Chompy]

Anyone else thinking there is far too much italics crap happening lately?

no

[crabman]

What Italics

[XF Falcon]

All normal here... I think you just need to adjust the angle of your head back to the left a little bit

[Chompy]

just go with the flow

[Gurney]

So it's true, people are actually slowing down on the other side of the freeway coincidentally right where this camera is. Not sure if srs....

[mehow2g]

Good point.

Also more that if they were shown what could happen to them at those speeds should they lose control, and be made to see the consequences of said actions with graphic footage/imagery as well, might make them think twice next time.

Agreed but its more so "heres what happens when you are a dumb pingpingpingping" not what happens when you speed.

[Jiblet]

So it's true, people are actually slowing down on the other side of the freeway coincidentally right where this camera is. Not sure if srs....
I think this came about because the media said the police were setting up a speed camera on the other side of the freeway due to the 20k people caught speeding by the fixed one. Could be wrong though.

People die driving, its a fact of life. With human error involved you can only reduce the risk. In my opinion, safer cars are doing this, but with speed limits at 110 max, you're not used to driving fast and therefore have a greater risk of crashing if you decide to break the limits. Not because speed kills, but because you are not used to driving at those speeds.

[Stealthed]

Fact is the head police/government want you to speed, although they won't admit it.

I read a study a while back that if everyone suddenly stopped speeding and their was no revenue from cameras etc then the police force would suffer badly after 3 days, I don't know how true it is but it makes you think. If they were really interested in road safety then I don't think lowering speeds and more cameras would be their focus, something like Germany where we provide safe roads for road users, learning by instructors only including driving at speed and defensive driving, targeting old cars and promoting newer cars to road users would be more their focus.

Like some have stated in here, if most accidents/deaths occur on country roads.. why erect cameras in the city?

Also I seen those camera signs before the fixed camera driving back from Mandurah today, compared to NSW.. they're a joke. They are a picture of a "Camera" about 7km before the camera, why not place signs saying "Speed camera ahead, check your speed" 1km prior to the camera? It just shows you they're not really targeting the speed.. just your wallet.