F1 2012 chat thread

[TJ]

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awesome

[fourseven]

That is pretty cool.

Ron wont be happy though. They're having way too much fun.

[Buckets]

Too much fucking around not enough winning fucking races. Less fucking BBC more WDC pingpingpingpings !!!

[sdwz180]

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[beatle]

http://webmusti.com/kimi-news/297-steering-issue-creating-lotus-and-raikkonen-rift-01062012.html

[POH73]

Very interesting vid, I knew space was precious but didn't realise to what extent, wow!
It makes it all the more significant when you read about the tight rear on the RBR cars and why they have the supposedly less capable KERS system due to reducing batteries because of lack of space from their rear end design.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wn1EFLa2C8&feature=player_embedded

[crabman]

That was great to see, anyone know of videos out there that show gearbox/engine designs for valvetrain etc. Always wanted to find out more about the real technical aspects of their drivetrain.

[fourseven]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100074

What a joke.

[TJ]

pingpingpingpings.

[sdwz180]

RedBull and Webbers victory being stripped from them would have been a far worse outcome, mainly for the sport.

[crabman]

Details on these holes??

I was away and didnt get to see anything about it on tv coverage.

[Kaido]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100074

What a joke.

how is it a joke

rules clearly state "no holes, in that section on body work" RBR have holes

RBR are lucky teams didnt go for a post-race protest, as they would have been stripped of the win.

[fourseven]

It's a joke because they should've been stripped of the results once the FIA identified the illegal setup.

[jaybee]

I think it would have if it offered a performance advantage, i can't see it doing anything at all, the weight saving would be nothing.

[beatle]

I think it was summed up pretty well in the BBC post race.
the rules state the floor needs to be, basically 'water tight' a hole isnt water tight. Sauber and ferrari run the same principle, but as a cut away, instead of a hole (so its a slot from the edge of the floor). their would be a some decent straigh line speed, plus a more balanced rear end advantage with the hole.

[POH73]

It's a joke because they should've been stripped of the results once the FIA identified the illegal setup.

Not that simple unfortunately (though I'm sure a lot of McLaren fans wish it was - check out the Autosport thread). The difference is that RBR had previously sought and received approval by the FIA/Charlie Whiting and a letter to go with it so have been running it since Malaysia or China. At that stage it was considered legal however it has since been clarified, looked at closer and deemed not suitable for future races. It maybe would have been a different situation if another team protested but they didn't.

OTOH, maybe it is that simple.

[fourseven]

It's very simple.


Red Bull believed there was a grey area in the rulebook concerning the design of the holes, which were not believed to have provided a significant performance advantage.

The FIA has moved to outlaw the design however, saying that the rule book makes it implicit that fully enclosed holes may not be located in the bodywork just ahead of the rear wheels.

That rulebook hasn't changed since race 1. They broke the rules, they should be penalised. The FIA need to smarten the fuck up and those teams that didn't protest are idiots! I'd also like to know what the point of scrutineering is if the rule book isn't used to cover the entire process.

[Alt_F4]

Maybe their holes weren't fully enclosed, holes generally aren't

[POH73]

The FIA need to smarten the fuck up and those teams that didn't protest are idiots!

^^Totally agree!
Since F1 has become a "sport" focussed on restrictions instead of innovation I consider it every engineer's responsibility to push every boundary imagineable to gain an advantage not matter how subtle or major, otherwise they may as well reinvent the A1GP series...... I applaud RBR and any other manufacturer (eg Merc for their air bleed f-duct) for coming up with something innovative. It's the FIA's responsiblity to ensure that they're conforming within the rules. Black or White.

[Brockas]

That rulebook hasn't changed since race 1. They broke the rules, they should be penalised. The FIA need to smarten the fuck up and those teams that didn't protest are idiots! I'd also like to know what the point of scrutineering is if the rule book isn't used to cover the entire process.
They had an idea that they thought would be legal in accordance with the rules.

The FIA, who make the rules, agreed with them that they believed it was legal.

The FIA then changed their mind 3 races later, and are now forcing RBR to change their car again.

How the hell do you actually think RBR should be punished for that???

[Kaido]

They had an idea that they thought would be legal in accordance with the rules.

The FIA, who make the rules, agreed with them that they believed it was legal.

The FIA then changed their mind 3 races later, and are now forcing RBR to change their car again.

How the hell do you actually think RBR should be punished for that???

RBR had already plan to run a different diffuser for the next race, so really it causes them no problems

[Wrexter]

The sport has become a fucking joke with DRS, inconsisten stewards, harsh penalties, penalties not harsh enough etc.

[mys1]

The sport has become a fucking joke with DRS, inconsisten stewards, harsh penalties, penalties not harsh enough etc.

Not harsh enough? Dogs ruined Schuis chance of a win in Monaco! All because he lightly touched a Brazilian!

pingpingpingpings!!!!

[fourseven]

Hey Wrexter is back!


They had an idea that they thought would be legal in accordance with the rules.

The FIA, who make the rules, agreed with them that they believed it was legal.

The FIA then changed their mind 3 races later, and are now forcing RBR to change their car again.

How the hell do you actually think RBR should be punished for that???

The FIA didn't agree with the car setup, they agreed with a paper concept. RBR admitted themselves that their setup was a "grey area" in the interpretation of the rules. It was later deemed illegal because of a very clear rule that hasn't changed since the start of the season. So RBR like the sly pingpingpingpings they've always been knew damn well what the rule was, but they tried to get around it by getting clarification from the FIA with a paper concept.

Yeah, totally legitimate. Not.

[Wrexter]

Not harsh enough? Dogs ruined Schuis chance of a win in Monaco! All because he lightly touched a Brazilian!

pingpingpingpings!!!!

As i said, sometimes too harsh, sometimes not harsh enough. its a fucking joke.

Btw, that was Schuey's fault.

[Wrexter]

Hey Wrexter is back!

I never left :p

Just picked up this book, McLaren: The Art of Racing, fantastic for any McLaren fan or fan of Darren Heath, photographs are outstanding, Interesting insight into how a top tier F1 team operates.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6219/photohcb.jpg

[TJ]

I think it would have if it offered a performance advantage, i can't see it doing anything at all, the weight saving would be nothing.

Why would they do it if it didnt give an advantage?

[Brockas]

The sport has become a fucking joke with DRS, inconsisten stewards, harsh penalties, penalties not harsh enough etc.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0apzNxGMpxI/T4SYBIT9koI/AAAAAAAAAjo/Z21JtZBnxxk/s1600/ferraritoys.jpg

[fourseven]

LOL! You know he's right though.

[Kaido]

FYI Coverage times

ONE:
Saturday/Sunday:12.30am - 2.30am Qualifying
Monday: 10.45pm - 12.45am Race


TEN:
Sunday: 2.30am - 4.30am Qualifying
Monday: 1.30am - 4.00am RACE

So no Live HD coverage of the race for this round :(

[Joe]

You are joking right? FUCK those pingpingpingpings.

[Kaido]

You are joking right? FUCK those pingpingpingpings.

Unless im blind doesn't look like it. One HD has Netball from 10pm till 1am (sunday-monday) then NASCAR till 6am

[TJ]

Oh fuck forgot its a late one.

Time to book a late monday start.

[POH73]

So no Live HD coverage of the race for this round :(

Will still def plan to watch live but I don't think my eyes are able to recognise HD between 1:30-4:00am anyway ;)

[Adr3naL1N]

oh ffs thats bullshit! what could they possibly have to show at that time that could be more important!

time to leave another abusive comment on tens facebook page

edit: kaido im assumign thats eastern states time? 130am doesnt look right, so im guessing thats 11.30pm WA time. 30 mins pre race show 12am race start, im sure thats how it was last year.

edit v2: nope 130am seems to be right! this is bullshit time to bombard ten again!

[bjohnson]

Seriously...

What are they hoping to accomplish by delaying the HD coverage a day? It's not even like they're delaying it and playing it during prime time on monday.. It's on at 10:45 ffs.

[Kaido]

oh ffs thats bullshit! what could they possibly have to show at that time that could be more important!

time to leave another abusive comment on tens facebook page

edit: kaido im assumign thats eastern states time? 130am doesnt look right, so im guessing thats 11.30pm WA time. 30 mins pre race show 12am race start, im sure thats how it was last year.

edit v2: nope 130am seems to be right! this is bullshit time to bombard ten again!

just double check times are right

and ONE-HD is showing;
10.40pm - 12.35am
ANZ Championship (AKA NETBALL)
12.35am - 1.30am
NASCAR Sprint Cup Qualifying
1.30am - 6.00am
NASCAR Sprint Cup

[Sebdullah]

time to abuse ten again

[FranZ]

Before everyone jumps on their high horse you do realise the race is in Canada and its one of the only races we don't get at our convenient 8pm start time??? Qualifying starts at WST (ie our time) at 1am Sun morning and the race starts at Monday at 2am.

The times Kaido has posted look to be EST. Looking at the tv guide on one.com.au it looks as tho qualifying will be shown live on One, race will be shown live on ten. Unless Im reading all that really wrong! Stupid Canada!

[V70R]

This is great news for Netball fans!

[TJ]

Whos going to be up at 1.30am on Monday to watch?

Exactly what channel 10 is asking hence the showing on ten. They havnt said it wont be hd though.

[satch]

Get use to it guys, will be the same with Texas this year and New Jersey next year... :(

[Adr3naL1N]

Get use to it guys, will be the same with Texas this year and New Jersey next year... :(

and Brazil



Whos going to be up at 1.30am on Monday to watch?

Exactly what channel 10 is asking hence the showing on ten. They havnt said it wont be hd though.

its not in HD, ten dont broadcast in HD. we are getting it live but in SD. I dont get it they said one hd will be used for f1 for SA and WA. Why are they not showing it on one this time? it was on one in HD last year.



Franz: i thought the same but checked and no the race starts 2am WST time and 4am AEST. Race is LIVE on ten, what everyone is complaining about again is the fact its in SD on ten instead of HD on one.

[fourseven]

BoycottTenSport has all but died in the ass. I don't even hear from the other site owner anymore because the people over east don't really give a shit about HD. We were averaging 100 signatures a day before Shannon's got onto it, now 1 a fortnight.

I can live with SD as long as it's live, I'll be watching.

[FranZ]

Well lets just hope this is a one off round!

[POH73]

I can live with SD as long as it's live, I'll be watching.

Ditto. I'm pretty sure that when the announcement was made re: ONEHD coverage of F1 being reinstated that it mentioned European rounds and made no other comments for the other races. I can live with SD, much better than friggin around having to watch it on the net.

Edit: Nup, no mention of Euro only, just found the link: http://tensport.com.au/motorsport-motorsport-statement.htm

[TJ]

Netball needs to be shown to ensure they have their Australian content at the correct %

It cant be shown that late either.

3 races, I can live with it.

[satch]

Agreed, 3 races at stupid hours of the night, no great loss

[TheChad]

ironically its our Australian race that is slightly inconveniently timed for Europe etc lol.

Race being on so late will force me to live under a rock for a day then DL and watch it all in uninterrupted HD.

doesnt need to rain in Canada this year... seasons already mixed up enough... if it shits it down again even Pic might be in for a podium lol

[POH73]

Hahaha

http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1338819856359145812.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/jimboduggen/hitler2.jpg

[maximus]

Here's a work-in-progress build of the 2012 edition of Codemasters F1 game which isn't that interesting in itself, but it's got a completed version of the Circuit of the Americas which may be of interest if you're wondering what the race will look like:


http://youtu.be/HI0vGfu4ems

[Adr3naL1N]

i can live with it being in SD for 3 races as well even if i am still a little dissapointed. i will be up to watch it, probs go to bed at 11 or so for a few hrs get up then back to bed for a few more hours.

whats going to happen withe rest of the asia races? obviously australia, china and malaysia were live in HD before ten started this debacle. Im assuming singapore will be on live in HD as it falls the same time as the euro races (8pm) as its at night not that it matters to me as ill be there. But what about India, Korea, Japan, Abu Dahbi? They will be on mid late afternoon, im guessing theres no word yet from ten as to wether they will be live on one HD or live on ten in SD?

[TJ]

http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1338936813907865921.jpg

LOL

[Buckets]

Forgetting Sam Michael... He is a fucking curse.

[Jazza]

I was just going to post that F1 2012 video! Gives you a good indication of the Austin track. They're usually pretty spot on with a few differences by the time it's built.
And LOL Tj.

[POH73]

Hahahaha at Difficulty Mode: McLaren

[Kaido]

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/5/30/GXJoBzZ_JUeA2N6UYIX1Og2.jpg

[Autopilot]

Don't get it.

[Skipmaster J]

Yeah it's dumb. Or I'm dumb. One or the other.

[Bomber]

Holding it backwards, yo.

Possibly licking the back of it too

[Autopilot]

Holding it backwards, yo.

Displaying it so a photo can be taken.

[POH73]

I just presumed because it's so complicated......

We'd get some very varied responses on the Antilag interpretive IQ test lol

[Kaido]

Ferrari new exhaust setup aka mclaren style

http://www.f1technical.net/images/development/2012/can-ferrari-exhaust.jpg

https://p.twimg.com/Au0Oks2CEAAJ1g9.jpg

[Tocchi]

unsure, as Kovalainen isnt really doing much to keep a seat lol


https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/5/30/GXJoBzZ_JUeA2N6UYIX1Og2.jpg

[Bomber]

Displaying it so a photo can be taken.
Thanks for that. I guess the person who made the meme must've been mistaken by the true mystery surrounding events leading up to the picture being taken.

[TJ]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/mcla-hami-montreal-2012-1-886x590.jpg

How close is the crowd?

[Kaido]

more ferrari updates

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1719/canadaas.jpg

https://p.twimg.com/Au4cF1rCAAEofHz.jpg

http://www.formula1.com/wi/600x900/sutton/2012/d12cdn590.jpg

Top Speeds from practise; RBR still look down on top speeds compare to the other front running teams

1 22 Pedro de la Rosa 15:09:43 324.3
2 20 Heikki Kovalainen 15:11:24 322.6
3 21 Vitaly Petrov 14:31:14 322.5
4 12 Nico Hulkenberg 15:09:57 321.7
5 11 Paul di Resta 14:29:01 321.4
6 14 Kamui Kobayashi 14:12:53 320.8
7 15 Sergio Perez 14:07:16 320.4
8 7 Michael Schumacher 14:13:17 320.1
9 6 Felipe Massa 14:11:22 320.0
10 16 Daniel Ricciardo 15:11:18 319.9
11 17 Jean-Eric Vergne 14:08:26 319.5
12 8 Nico Rosberg 14:42:57 319.4
13 9 Kimi Räikkönen 15:25:48 318.9
14 4 Lewis Hamilton 14:11:55 318.6
15 10 Romain Grosjean 15:30:01 318.5
16 3 Jenson Button 15:26:46 318.3
17 19 Bruno Senna 14:06:34 317.6
18 23 Narain Karthikeyan 15:05:22 317.3
19 18 Pastor Maldonado 14:12:04 316.9
20 5 Fernando Alonso 15:06:59 314.7
21 1 Sebastian Vettel 15:12:39 312.3
22 24 Timo Glock 14:09:00 312.2
23 2 Mark Webber 14:18:07 312.0
24 25 Charles Pic 14:07:56 309.7

[Kaido]

another part on Red Bull's car that is illegal and needs to be changed
http://www.f1technical.net/news/17431

[bjohnson]

I was planning to just record quali and watch it in the morning.
Looking at those FP2 times it seems like it could be a pretty epic session..
Top 13 places separated by only 7 tenths.

Definitely worth staying up for!

[TJ]

Ill be staying up for it.

[fourseven]

Following on from Kaido...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100230

Seriously, it's time for penalties. Ridiculous!

[Adr3naL1N]

ahh fuck off no penalties will happen get over it, just got home from a mates bday in the city! wasnt expecting to make it home in time for quali, stoked i made it! a big night out didnt evaluate. So bring on the quali sessions!!

also does anyone know, im guessing with what ten is doing, only Euro races will be shown in Live HD on one with the rest being shown live in SD on ten?

[Brockas]

Following on from Kaido...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100230

Seriously, it's time for penalties. Ridiculous!
So they've modified their design twice, and still smash pole by 3 tenths.

I honestly think the FIA are now being extra critical on the RBR car just to ensure they don't win a 3rd championship in a row. Nobody is making official protests, so it's obviously not that big of a deal, it's just the FIA...

[esky]

Vettel vs Alonso me thinks for the win.

With full tanks i think redbull/ferrari will be a cut above.

[Kaido]

race should be interesting ham did something like 30laps on the supersoft in p2 with his fastest lap coming on lap 28. looks like it might be a one stop race but all depends on track temp.

be interesting to see if alonso can jump ham and vettle at the start as ferrari have been getting some awesome starts but the red bull looks really strong down the back straight

[Buckets]

Call me an idiot but Jenson's tyre choice might work out for him. Still be surprised if he made the podium though.

[esky]

maybe.

but why do 5 laps on that set of tires to still start 10th. Mclaren need to do something, thats just fucking stupid.

[Kaido]

button has said it may have been a mistake to go out in q3.. he had no supersoft left

[Brockas]

Does it really matter? Those tyres will last 40+ laps, 6 or so on them won't make much of a difference I don't think.

[Kaido]

Does it really matter? Those tyres will last 40+ laps, 6 or so on them won't make much of a difference I don't think.

i don't think it will matter... whether the supersoft are actually faster over the race distance is still not 100%... everyone was saying there were 1 second a lap faster but it didn't look like they i think Massa was only 0.8second off Vettel time in Q3 with the softs compare to supersoft

[[Jacek]]

getting conflicting reports on what time this actually is being aired - can someone give me an answer before i goto sleep? haha

[TJ]

Race starts 2am Perth time.

[TJ]

Does it really matter? Those tyres will last 40+ laps, 6 or so on them won't make much of a difference I don't think.
Yeah his softs will... but he no new super softs, so if his used supersofts come up a few laps short due to these softs lasting a little less they will be kicking themselves

[mys1]

I'm getting a few hours in - see you all in just under 4 hours :)

At least it doesn't appear to be a rained out event like last year!!

[[Jacek]]

yeah gathered that and then found out that its on channel 10. Thankyou. Goodnight.

PS: So tempted to watch french open final + Spanish Euro Cup game + f1 back to back and call in a sickie!

[Kaido]

;1005330']yeah gathered that and then found out that its on channel 10. Thankyou. Goodnight.

PS: So tempted to watch french open final + Spanish Euro Cup game + f1 back to back and call in a sickie!

will be doing an all nighter myself :P exam study with little bit of f1 and euro 2012... just hope the power comes back on at mine so i can head back home

[fourseven]

Think I'm going to watch Ireland v Croatia and download the race.

[Jazza]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[Alt_F4]

Think I'm going to watch Ireland v Croatia and download the race.
Because McLaren will be backmarkers to all the 'cheaters'?

[Lonewolf]

might doze off for an hour or so prior then get back up for the race.
times like this i'm glad i work the late shift and can start work at 11am :)

[Skipmaster J]

I stayed up last year to watch the race... great race but i was not in a good shape at work the next morning.
I'm taping the race and watching in the evening.

[Adr3naL1N]

same, the 2 hour delay last year fucked me up, ended up falling asleep before the restart and woke up abit after 5am about half way the race. i was in a shokcing state at work. Plan was to go to bed about 10 get up at 130 then go back to sleep after til 630. That plan fell thru when we chucked 21 jump st on at 10pm.

Think ill just smash bulk coffee at work tomorrow, its only one day will just sleep early tomorrow night. Looking foward to this race. Fuck you to ten for not having it on one hd.

[Joe]

I'm at work now until 3am, ill go to bed then watch my recording of the race when I get up :)

[Adr3naL1N]

rosberg struggling big time!

[mys1]

Eyes are heavy as fuck, can't tell it's not HD haha

[Lonewolf]

ricciardo dropped 3 places from the start, but clawed his way back in front of vergne

[Kaido]

button struggle town...

Ham looking good for the race win! Good work by ferrari and alonso to get into p2

[Lonewolf]

man schui just cant cop a trick :(

[fourseven]

Mercedes F1 are a fucking joke. Brawn should be ashamed of himself.

[mys1]

Go Perez you dirty Mexican!

[Adr3naL1N]

man schui just cant cop a trick :(

wow never seen someone have such bad luck before!

[Lonewolf]

wow never seen someone have such bad luck before!

webber?

[[Jacek]]

^ haha bingo.

Sky Commentators: "Wow this race is really coming alive now, don't move from your seats!"
Ten Producers: "Time for a COMMERCIAL BREAK!!!"

[Kaido]

EPIC LAST 10 LAPS!

will Ham take the win?

[fourseven]

Would be something wrong if he didn't!

[Adr3naL1N]

great race for grosjean

[fourseven]

Nice work Ferrari. Back to being a fucking laughing stock.

Start firing pingpingpingpings.

[Kaido]

Ferrari fail with 1 stopper :(

good work by Ham and Mclearn

[Kaido]

Nice work Ferrari. Back to being a fucking laughing stock.

Start firing pingpingpingpings.

they had to gamble! was worth a try lol!

[ALEX.]

So 7 winners from 7 races, Grosjean and Perez on the podium. Nice!

[Adr3naL1N]

7 from 7!!!

[Lonewolf]

perez, fuck me thats a climb up the grid.

[Kaido]

Ham leading championship by 2 points from Alonso!

[TJ]

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss s

what a race!!

[fourseven]

they had to gamble! was worth a try lol!

It really wasn't. That was amateur hour at its finest. He was guaranteed 2nd place, why fucking risk it?

[TJ]

5 years to do the day since he won his first race ever, happy anniversary baby!

[Wrexter]

What a fucking race, good to see the boy on the top step finally.

Was fucking laughing my ass off towards the end as alonso got overtaken time and time again as it meant Lewis would climb on the ladder, free points!!!!

For once McLaren got something right.

[Buckets]

Missed the race but watching the highlights. Brockas FB comment that Jenson - Massa = same same is sadly looking quite apt. Good to see a Mclaren back on top even if it's got Lewis in it.

[Kaido]

It really wasn't. That was amateur hour at its finest. He was guaranteed 2nd place, why fucking risk it?

and if the gamble pay off alonso would have won :/ 1 stopping did work look at Grosjean and Perez. however Ferrari were quick but i don't think they could match Hamilton pace today so i'm guessing that is where the gamble came from. can't beat Hamilton on outright pace might try on strategy.


"We made the decision to try to win the race and it didn't work out, not because of the strategy, but because of the tyre degradation. I want that to be very clear because there will be confusion tomorrow, from people who don't understand the race.

"We stopped on the same lap as Grosjean, as he finished second with the same laptimes as Hamilton. So it's not about stopping with Hamilton or deciding not to stop, or stopping once or twice. The problem is that Grosjean did 55 laps with the tyres with a good pace and we did 45. That's the only problem."

[fourseven]

Alonso pitted on lap 19.
Grosjean pitted on lap 21.
Perez pitted on lap 41.

Alonso would've raped his tyres a hell of a lot harder up front than Grosjean. As soon as they realised that Hamilton was going to be unbeatable (it took 2 laps to realise he was going to smash them after his second stop) they should've pulled him in.

Now their excuse is they would've got 4th if they stopped twice but I call fucking bollocks.

Stupid pingpingpingpings.

[Buckets]

What does it matter? You support Lotus don't you...

[Kaido]

Both pitted later than Alonso.

As soon as they realised that Hamilton was going to be unbeatable (it took 2 laps to realise he was going to smash them after his second stop) they should've pulled him in.

Now their excuse is they would've got 4th if they stopped twice but I call fucking bollocks.

Stupid pingpingpingpings.

read above "The problem is that Grosjean did 55 laps with the tyres with a good pace and we did 45" so Grosjean did more laps?

Your right after 1 or 2 laps it was clear Hamilton was alot faster! Ferrari haven't always been the best strategy wise they made one good call and one bad call today

[fourseven]

No, I support Kimi. But this shit is the reason I stopped supporting Ferrari. Everyone knows the Pirelli tyres are manipulated to go off. Why risk it at the front racing with the big dogs. Ferrari have managed to get it right for so much this season and then they go and do something silly like this.

I'm just glad Vettel didn't win it. Fuck Redbull :p

[fourseven]

read above "The problem is that Grosjean did 55 laps with the tyres with a good pace and we did 45" so Grosjean did more laps?

Your right after 1 or 2 laps it was clear Hamilton was alot faster! Ferrari haven't always been the best strategy wise they made one good call and one bad call today

Read my edit. Fernando is talking shit, doing the right thing defending the team while a bunch of retarded Italian's are probably sitting around eating pasta, drinking wine, and patting themselves on the back.

pingpingpingpingS!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/104357/2070269-raging_macguire_yes_i_mad.jpg

[fourseven]

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh276/Desdirodeabike/Kimi_MiB.jpg

[TJ]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/z-mcla-whit-hami-montreal-2012.jpg

maaaa nigga

[SimonR32]

Well done Hamilton, first time in ages I have actually thought that as well... pingpingpingping didn't whinge once, I would have usually expected him to blame someone for the anti-stall at least

[Sebdullah]

I dont like it, but have to give Lewis props for his drive especially playing catch up after his second stop

[Tocchi]

button looks happy to left haha

[Skitzo]

Was going to download and watch tonight, not knowing the outcome, but then i went onto facebook.

Sounds like an entertaining race. May still watch.

[JME]

anyone gotta link to d'load hd replay?

[fourseven]

The first 10 minutes were exciting. The rest was pretty average.

Can watch HD version on One tonight JME.

[Jumanji]

Looks as though Nicole might be seeing Vettel on the side from the photo lol.

[V70R]

Changing topic in a big way.
I heard another report on Saturday that Vettel is to replace Massa next year for Ferrari. A rumour denied by Vettel but definitely something people are chatting about.

[fourseven]

The rumour I read was Webber to replace Massa for 1 year, Vettel to Ferrari in 2014 pre-agreement based on performance.

[TJ]

I heard Perez for Massa 2013

[Brockas]

I heard Karthikeyan to replace Alonso.... this is would be consistent with Ferrari's recent team decisions.

[fourseven]

LOL! Nicely played.

[TJ]

One thing which was cool late in the race was Ferrari talking to Alonso in Italian on the radio, trying to keep McLaren and RBR from hearing what was going down.

Didnt matter much by the end though

[Tocchi]

^ it was spanish before that too.

[mys1]

Chicken sounds the same in all three languages when Fred is talking!

[Brockas]

One thing which was cool late in the race was Ferrari talking to Alonso in Italian on the radio, trying to keep McLaren and RBR from hearing what was going down.

Didnt matter much by the end though
Translated - "Fernando, we have fucked up and they will catch you if they keep their pace up"

I wouldn't want other listening to that either!



On another unrelated note, how the fuck does Karthikeyan still have a seat? He is the biggest chump in F1. Constantly outperformed by another chump; De La Rosa.

[V70R]

Translated - "Fernando, we have fucked up and they will catch you if they keep their pace up"


I thought it translated to "Vettel is faster than you" then "Perez is faster than you"

[satch]

On another unrelated note, how the fuck does Karthikeyan still have a seat? He is the biggest chump in F1. Constantly outperformed by another chump; De La Rosa.

Sponsored by Tata Steel.... thats all that matters.

[Jazza]

Makes sense, his sponsorship money must be paying for all the upgrades HRT get to catch Caterham :|

[TJ]

His dollars are paying to keep the team alive... for now thats the goal

[Kaido]

Chicken sounds the same in all three languages when Fred is talking!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-57Thiyvy8

[Kaido]

Translated - "Fernando, we have fucked up and they will catch you if they keep their pace up"

I wouldn't want other listening to that either!



On another unrelated note, how the fuck does Karthikeyan still have a seat? He is the biggest chump in F1. Constantly outperformed by another chump; De La Rosa.

the one in italian was telling him Perez was 10second behind him lol

[fourseven]

Surprised no one has mentioned the McLaren team orders yet ;)

[TJ]

Its not really a team order to get your about to be lapped guy to move over

[fourseven]

LOL why because it's McLaren? :p

[TJ]

LOL stir all you want, but ensuring the 2nd driver in your team doesnt impede your leading one is acceptable with todays rules

refer - massa, mid 2010-2012

[Adr3naL1N]

On another unrelated note, how the fuck does Karthikeyan still have a seat? He is the biggest chump in F1. Constantly outperformed by another chump; De La Rosa.

LOL, not to mention he does not move out the way when he is getting lapped and blue flagged.

[Jazza]

I would like to hear that team radio.. Jenson, Lewis is going for the lead of the race and coming up to lap you please don't impede him like last year :P

[fourseven]

I think it was for pit stops wasn't it? They told Jenson to do another lap because they wanted to bring Lewis in first? I could be wrong. Switching between that and Euro was doing my head in.

[esky]

Stupid fucking powercut.

[Jazza]

I actually don't know, I didn't have a clue where Jenson finished until I saw the race result and was like wtf!

[TJ]

I refreshed my live timing twice because I thought it was broken...

[Jazza]

I was just watching Lewis get different purple sectors repeatedly.. hahaha

[TJ]

On the post race Lewis joked he would do a RBR Monaco and jump into the water.....


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/11/article-2157546-138CB209000005DC-78_634x411.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/11/article-2157546-138CB267000005DC-35_634x398.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/11/article-2157546-138CB21A000005DC-903_634x380.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/11/article-2157546-138CB351000005DC-492_634x382.jpg

[Jazza]

Because their tyres haven't had much of an impact this year..
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100318

[sdwz180]

6:40 lol

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/G5uClJ4Cb8A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[POH73]

Gotta love some of these memes

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269278_407975135913161_380158604_n.jpg

http://www.walagata.com/w/uprc/DoubleDRS.jpg

[Kaido]

interesting read on the new design for 2014

P.U.R.E: 2014 F1 Engine

http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/pure-engine-inline.jpg

http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/p-u-r-e-2014-f1-engine/#more-2732

[TJ]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fsc_62uNcKI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

nice interview

[Jazza]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH23_UUJcxw

That was a much better interview, Letterman is a typical American though haha

[[Jacek]]

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562126_381917208520464_277503512295168_1038297_211 93480_n.jpg

[TJ]

reeeeeeeee

[POH73]

F1 back live on ONEHD this weekend gents from Valencia. In the past it's been one of the most boring on the calendar but who knows what the Pirelli lottery will bring this weekend.

Judgment reserved!

[TJ]

Needs to be nuked from orbit, then they can go to Turkey.

[Autopilot]

Needs to be nuked from orbit, then they can go to Turkey.

Couldn't agree more.

[fourseven]

Ron Dennis wouldn't be happy. WORST ENEMIES.

http://i.imgur.com/FjFnC.jpg

[TJ]

Probably laughing at all the Jenson balance memes

[satch]

Haha Fred posted that on FB. Something about Koba's curiosity.

[Jazza]

LOL at your avatar Rhett!

[Jazza]

FP1!! No idea why there's so much fuss about Schumacher, he seems to be one of the favourites but I can't see him having both the speed and luck as its not been there together at all so far!
Button copying Lewis's suspension to try to catch up to him.

[Jazza]

I'll just keep posting by myself..
Massa thinks he can be the 8th winner.. LOLLLLLL
Button ended up complaining about balance and lock ups so they've changed his torsion bar, anti-roll bar and front tyre pressures to try to help. He seemed happier and started to push towards the end of the session. They also resolved a KERs issue he had.
Mclaren have made a few tweeks to their front wing by using tape to stick something on haha. Lotus have also updated their front wing. Ferrari using flow vis paint on the front wing which isn't unusual.
Redbull have copied Mclaren's winglets on top of the side pods and made another change to the rear end. Resolved a hydrolic problem with the DRS on Webber's car.
Caterham are now displaying Tony's EPL team QPR on their car.. I've wondered for a long time why they hadn't done this but seems they've got inspiration from Sauber.
Kimmi has made more steering adjustments in the Lotus.
Lastly Karthimuppet was getting in Alonso's way towards the end of the session as usual so nothing new to report there.

[Brockas]

Good notes ^^

Fuck Karthikyan is a muppet. The sooner he cops a spring to the head the better.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/208983_404541369598572_505506778_n.jpg?dl=1
RBR's new exhaust layout. It creates what looks like a "double floor" near the exit of the exhaust.

It will probably get banned soon enough.

[TJ]

Im sure it will once we confirm what rule they have broken

[Brockas]

Im sure it will once they win another race.
Fixed.

[TJ]

http://f1zoom.co.cc/?year=2012&race=europe&img=1274&full=1

Insane new exhaust trialled by Macca this morning...

[TJ]

Webeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[TJ]

Heikiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!

[maximus]

F1 twenty tweeeeelllvveee

[Buckets]

What farking exhaust TJ ?

[POH73]

What farking exhaust TJ ?

Lol, me too. I was looking for super secret spyshot reflections in the bodywork - to no avail I might add :)

[POH73]

Just watched the Vettel pole lap and it looked like he was driving his mum to church! Didn't fight the car at all, had a millisecond of oversteer on one corner otherwise it was absolutely clinical. If he gets the jump at the start tomorrow then he'll be away and untouchable by the looks of it.

[TheChad]

Wow at Maldonado, he does ok when he doesn't bin it.

Not a pretty man, especially when his face is covered in sweat. Sitting next to to vettel and Hamilton who tend to be quite polished.

[Brockas]

Insane Q2... But Vettel was again clinical in Q3. Webber had a failure of his DRS, plus he didn't run at all in P3 due to a brake failure, so not a surprise about his qualifying.

Great to see Dan out quali Jean-Eric again.


Did anyone watch the GP2 race?? Bloody insane. Soooo many accidents and wild overtaking maneuvers. Probably the best race I've ever seen at Valencia.

[Jazza]

That Redbull looked SO dialed into quali, as above he was going around so effortless with it. I don't know how the commentators didn't notice Webber had a DRS failure as he had it for several laps. Very very poor from Grosjean, should of qualified at least 2nd and another poor showing from Rosberg when the pressure was on, he should of been infront of Lewis as well if he wasn't ragged as all fck in the lap that mattered! Those two have got to stop failing under pressure as they've both got the talent and equipment to do a lot more consistently than they have so far.

Oh and Ferrari sucked!!

[Bomber]

On now fuckers

[fourseven]

LOL poor Lewis.

[mischief1]

Stupid french fuck

[ELUSIV]

No sympathy for lewis, slow carnt held the pack up and stopped anyone from challenging Vettel. Safety car bunch up ftw, hopefully will result in a nice top 3 battle!

Mercedes look bulk slow. Senna imo copped it pretty hard, should have been racing incident. Vergne huge fail but at least makes things interesting following the safety car restart.

[Adr3naL1N]

DR putting verne to shame :)

mclaren fuck lewis again

[esky]

lol mclaren. So much fail

[POH73]

Not a Lewis or McLaren fan at all but jeeeez, he can't seem to cop a break at the moment. I was going to say he seems to have inherited Webber's luck this year but nope, Mark seems to still have possession of that!!

[maximus]

Hooooly shit chaos reigns

[PHIL]

What a fucken race is all i have to say

[TheChad]

Wow Valencia can be so boring.. Not this year!!

Maldonado is a mess, wish he'd just do his standard "lose it into a wall" his pass on webber was a bit suspect, did not leave room on the outside.

Go grosjean for 8 from 8!

[TheChad]

Lol scrap that...

[POH73]

Will Valencia become known as one of the most action packed races of the year? Who would've though? Not TJ lol!

[manna_85]

Last minute bet on Alonso is looking good :):)

[Sleepy]

Is it possible to hack/remote shut down an F1 Car? because I think the Spanish shut down Vettel and Grosjean!!

[Yakky Bear]

Kimmi incredible!

[fourseven]

YES! FRED KIMI AND SCHUMI! HEAD FUCKING EXPLODED! And Lewis into a wall thanks to Mr Autism.

http://images.planetf1.com/10/03/800x600/Fernando-Alonso-4_2431049.jpg

[MGR]

Boring race.

[POH73]

What an amazing race, best I've seen for a while with so many twists and turns. Totally unexpected!!!

[esky]

Fuck.

[ELUSIV]

Wow who would have thought Valencia would have shaped up to be one of the most exciting races of the season. So much carnage!

Fred, Vettel and Grosjean drove the best. Real shame on al the mechanical issues for the pair because Fred vs Vettel vs Grojsean would have been awesome. Schumi on the podium lol!

After Hamilton's karma in the pits for being such a slow ass in the start of the race and getting that in the failed pit run I do feel bad for him being taken out of the race. Frankenstein going for a Hamilton style takedown, should have just waited Lewis had fck all tyres he easily would have passed him on the last lap in the DRS zone.

[Adr3naL1N]

all i can say is....THAT DID NOT DISSAPOINT!

[KAL SPL]

First full F1 race I think I have ever watched , if they were all like that I would probably watch all of them that was fucking AWESOME !

[manna_85]

Crazy race! Alonso atm with the marshals and entertaining the crowd. what a champ!

[ALEX.]

Shall we start the trophy presentations without Alonso then?

Webber 2nd in championship. Noice.

[TJ]

FUCK PASTOR

[TheChad]

Shui, Kimi, Fred... Best of two decades of Ferrari history. Pretty cool.

[Kenzo]

Valencia used to be a very boring race but today its been fantastic. So much drama and another Alonso won the day ;)

[schnoods]

So happy with Shumacher's result, almost feel sorry for Lewis, almost.

[Scaf]

Best race in a long time. So awesome watching Alonso partying it up with the fans.

[Douche Bag]

SCHUMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII :D

Ham did everything right, pasta failed hard.. Want to hear Hamilton's thoughts unedited..

[manna_85]

Pastor the idiot could have been on the podium if it wasnt for his impatience. Hamilton was there for the taking with his shattered tyres.

[RELEASE]

Webber maybe 3rd for shumi using drs in yellow flag zone

[jaybee]

Great race! So good to see Schumi back on the podium, it's been a long time coming this season so far. Not a single fuck was given by Kimi, i think he was more concerned with what was on his hat in the press conference haha.

Vettel drove flawlessly, but that's motorsports. Respect to his attitude when being interviewed shortly after, this is why i'm a Vettel fan. Also, fantastic drive by Mark, will be overshadowed by all the drama that happened today.

Must say i feel gutted for Hamilton, he was doing well to try and hold on with those shagged tyres, Pastor will surely cop a big penalty for that, his patience got the better of him.

[fourseven]

Pastor can get fucked. Autism spastic potato fuck.

[fourseven]

Brawn said on BBC Shumi's DRS was deactivated 30m before the yellow flag zone.

[esky]

Ugly fucks had one lifetime ban, shouldn't have been overturned. He must have some mental issues.

[POH73]

Not a single fuck was given by Kimi, i think he was more concerned with what was on his hat in the press conference haha.

hahaha, I laughed when he was disappointed to get P2, that wasn't what we were aiming form. as opposed to Schumi who was overjoyed to be there - 155 podiums for the Deutschlander.

What a cool podium though, 3 x WDC incl 2 x retirees, it feels soo 2007! Awesome stuff.

Many wrote off Valencia as a no show and expected nothing. I'm thinking this is the most action packed race I've seen for 2-3 seasons.

2 years ago.....
http://www.nhms.com/images/webber-flip-valencia_lg.jpg

[POH73]

In other news and something we all probably overlooked, 12th for Ricciardo with Vergne DNF. Seems like they have a dog of a car though and maybe Buemi and Alguesari were driving the wheels off them?!

[V70R]

Brawn said on BBC Shumi's DRS was deactivated 30m before the yellow flag zone.
Yes, watch this space. Chances are Webber may be elevated to 3rd knowing schueeys luck.

[V70R]

In other news and something we all probably overlooked, 12th for Ricciardo with Vergne DNF.
In other news, Vettels RB8 had a 25 second lead before all the shenanigans !

[fourseven]

Yes, watch this space. Chances are Webber may be elevated to 3rd knowing schueeys luck.

Unless he also overtook under yellows I can't see it. Brawn would've been straight into the telemetry when RBR raised the issue.

[Buckets]

I just managed to get home in time for the race start. One of the wildest, most mental races I can remember. Alonso, Kimi & Schumi; 3 legends on the podium, Fernando entertaining the crowd post race all brilliant to watch.

On the other hand McLaren are a fucking muppet outfit and the pingpingpingpings seem like they'd be incapable of pulling off a root in a brothel given there fucking hopeless pit stop skills, I'm sure it's not easy but it's all those fucking pingpingpingpings need to do is change some fucking tyres a couple of times every few weeks and not fuck it up. And on the topic of fucking retards if Pastors mum had of swallowed or taken it in the arse instead the night he was conceived the world would be a fucking better place.

[Butcher]

In other news and something we all probably overlooked, 12th for Ricciardo with Vergne DNF. Seems like they have a dog of a car though and maybe Buemi and Alguesari were driving the wheels off them?!

Guess you didnt see Daniel get Tboned inside the top ten with about 10 laps to go, he did well to get back to 12th. Could of finished 7 or 8th with all the carnage?

[Kaido]

LOL Maldonado blames Hamilton
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100682

Awesome RACE!!! and thankyou Alonso turning my $25 bet into $650 :D


Also looking good for Alonso with both Vettle and Hamilton DNF :D

[POH73]

Guess you didnt see Daniel get Tboned inside the top ten with about 10 laps to go, he did well to get back to 12th. Could of finished 7 or 8th with all the carnage?

I did miss that actually, watching the race again on time shift now there was so much going on!

[Buckets]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/598688_461951063816251_1276380388_n.jpg

Quite keen for tickets to which ever viewing area this is next year !

[[Jacek]]

Just an AMAZING race. Whichever way you look at it. Awesome. Can only hope that in 3 months time (yes, its close!) Singapore is this awesome while we are all there. I'm stunned.

[TheChad]

LOL Maldonado blames Hamilton
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100682


"He tried to put me off the track," said Maldonado. "He didn't leave any room for me to stay on and do the corner side by side. I jumped over the kerb and I couldn't avoid the accident."

Did the same thing to webber at the last corner onto the pit straight. Webber was smart enough to NOT drive back out into him, but lost two more places as a result. Hack driver is a hack.

[Douche Bag]

Pasta is delusional.
No space = no pass, great defending by Hamilton.
Overtake elsewhere.

[Jumanji]

What a race just quietly, I havent seen one that exciting in quite a while...

[fourseven]

Like most I agree 100% that it was Pastor's fault. But the question has to be asked... what did Lewis expect to gain from defending so hard with fucked tyres, against a driver who has become notorious for crashing into people?

Lewis is a veteran. Pastor is an autistic beginner. Lewis probably should've given him a bit more room and kept some points.

[Joe]

Vergne copped 2 penalties (10 grid places in total) for colliding with Heikki. Happy days!

[Kizza]

Pissed that I missed this race. Is there any were I can get a replay or does 1 show it again this week.

[SimonR32]

Like most I agree 100% that it was Pastor's fault. But the question has to be asked... what did Lewis expect to gain from defending so hard with fucked tyres, against a driver who has become notorious for crashing into people?

Lewis is a veteran. Pastor is an autistic beginner. Lewis probably should've given him a bit more room and kept some points.

We agree for once, probably Pastor's fault but Lewis is the muppet. He expects that every time he overtakes to be given a red carpet, double car width thoroughfare and a nice kiss like a gay on the way through.

When the shoe is on the other foot and someone is clearly quicker than him, he swerves down straights and in this case out brakes himself forcing the other car off track.

[mys1]

Should be replayed tonight or tomorrow!

Vergne also copped a 25,000 euro fine! Not a good thing for a rookie driver!

[zeroyon]

Lewis's first move to push Maldo off track could have easily been an acident. Had Lewis moved as much as Maldo did in move 1, would not have been an accident. Hamo was running him off track and trying to keep him there. As above what was he expecting to gain, he was clearly slower and was going to be passed at some point. It is one of those that Hamo is probably in the right but he definetly deserved it lol.

[Tocchi]

having my 4 favourite drivers in the top 4 ... happy times :D

Kimi has the car speed, but it seems the Ferrari's dog of a car has actually got better (?), and in clean air the Redbull is still dominant.

would of been interesting to see how far ahead Vettel would have been if Seb/Fred/Kimi were 1-2-3 at the start, without lewis holding everybody up

[[Jacek]]

Should be replayed tonight or tomorrow!

Vergne also copped a 25,000 euro fine! Not a good thing for a rookie driver!

Great for our boy Ricciardo's image in comparison!!

[fourseven]

LOL how's Webber's form. Complains about Schumacher using DRS in yellow zone, turns out Schumi did use DRS but backed off, and Webber was .3 seconds quicker in the zone which should've been a penalty.

pingpingpingping.

[esky]

Pasto did exactly the same thing to kimi early in the race. Kimi tried around the outside, got pushed off and went through the run off. It's what happens, it always happens.

Lewis is definitely at tho fault because Pasto chose to keep his foot in it off the track and bounce over the kerb rather then go over the run off.