F1 2012 chat thread

[TJ]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me29enesfG1rslaw9o1_500.png
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me29enesfG1rslaw9o2_500.jpg

I fucking LOVE the Lotus team PR!

[TJ]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/556817_2654894708639_603505613_n.jpg

20 years

7 titles

still cant work that corner out :P

[TJ]

http://www.modaguapa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Xenia-Tchoumitcheva-Fernando-Alonso-13-1024x768.jpg

Alonso's Mrs - GOD DAMN

[Buckets]

http://www.modaguapa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Xenia-Tchoumitcheva-Fernando-Alonso-13-1024x768.jpg

Alonso's Mrs - GOD DAMN

She would have copped a fucking pounding last night. I would rage fucked out all my pent up emotions about loosing out to Seb if I was Alonso.

Much better than Webbers missus !

[TJ]

I thought Webber had a husband?

Oh

[esky]

how the fuck did the rbr survive this?

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1353923690.jpg

[Kaido]

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_me2kypOSSV1qbfbyzo1_500.png

lol!
http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/213874.jpg
http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/213875.jpg
http://racingsports.mfstatic.cz/assets/galleries/34121/f12012usa_1346780.jpg

http://img.jmorais.com/5rgpe8pq.gif

http://e2.365dm.com/12/11/660x350/Martin-Whitmarsh-Lewis-Hamilton_2862955.jpg

http://www.crashstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/best-F1-crash.jpg

[fourseven]

how the fuck did the rbr survive this?

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1353923690.jpg

L U C K.

Just like their entire fucking season.

[esky]

LOL

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-187ujkk.gif

[TJ]

LOL Boulier is watching you.

[TheChad]

Sky post race showed it was actually under yellows...
Just another lucky moment for a very lucky day.

Congratulations to newey, he's the one who's won the last 3 (and just a few others)

At least vettel had to work for it this year... What a season. Looking ahead how exciting will next season be? Even closer than this year, could be almost anyone's.

[fourseven]

Yep, he did. It's ok though, it's RBR.

http://i.imgur.com/3mKch.jpg

There is footage of him passing a HRT at turn 2 under yellow flags as well. Not sure which lap it was. So it looks like twice in the same race.

[mehow2g]

how the fuck did the rbr survive this?

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1353923690.jpg

Cheating the car is stronger than others new space aged material that can withstand crashes, it makes the RBR even more unfair.

[fourseven]

I'm not criticising RBR, I'm criticising Vettel. Everyone can agree that Vettel's crash was lucky, first in that it didn't even get investigated (LOL, what a joke when Hulkenberg was penalised within 12 seconds of him taking out Hamilton), and second in that the damage sustained should've probably ended his race. That's called LUCK. Or bribes. You decide which is more likely.

Also if you can't contribute something worthy other than sarcasm, please don't post.

[mischief1]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/49/dawson_crying.gif


http://e2.365dm.com/12/11/660x350/Martin-Whitmarsh-Lewis-Hamilton_2862955.jpg
BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN II

[Brockas]

LOL.

Rhett, this weekend I'm bringing you some tampons so you can stop all that sand getting in your vagina.


Chin up. The season is over. Vettel has won, again. Alonso has failed, again, despite being part of a team with a truly unlimited budget.

These are the days of our lives.

[Brockas]

Just for you Rhettles:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2012_f1_japan_sebastian_vettel-1007.jpg

[Kaido]

LOL.

Rhett, this weekend I'm bringing you some tampons so you can stop all that sand getting in your vagina.


Chin up. The season is over. Vettel has won, again. Alonso has failed, again, despite being part of a team with a truly unlimited budget.

These are the days of our lives.

lol may want to check your facts... RBR is the team with the truly unlimited budget, but hey don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. It is well documented that RBR has had discrepancies in its budge in context to the resource restriction agreement. Ferrari has been the team that continuously called for budget caps in the past few years.

Also put your one eye-ness away for a second you have to admit that it is odd that the crash between Vettel and Senna was never investigated, also the fact that there is footage of Vettel pasting under yellows. Hulkenberg was given a drive through after he lost the rear end and hit hamilton, Vettel turn in on senna and took Senna out and also resulted in Pérez retiring. Now isn't it just little odd that it didn't even get investigated?

I am not saying Vettel was at fault or that it was part of some conspiracy theory... just that it is very interesting if you look what happen to Hulkenberg. Remember the job of the stewards is to be constants, not even investigated doesn't seems very constant.

[SimonR32]

You want the person who is hitting the apex of a corner to be penalised for being hit from a car that dived up the inside from 2 car lengths behind?

LOL

Hulkenberg on the other hand made a car control error and crashed into another car

[FranZ]

http://www.modaguapa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Xenia-Tchoumitcheva-Fernando-Alonso-13-1024x768.jpg

Alonso's Mrs - GOD DAMN

I don't think that's her., Alonso's missus is Dasha Kapustina. Or am I mistaken?

ie

http://private.franzonline.net/Dasha/d12bra2235.jpg

http://private.franzonline.net/Dasha/d12bra2237.jpg

http://private.franzonline.net/Dasha/dpl1224no191.jpg

[SimonR32]

Isn't that the same person? haha

Hard to see straight when you are reefing franz? :)

[Kaido]

You want the person who is hitting the apex of a corner to be penalised for being hit from a car that dived up the inside from 2 car lengths behind?

LOL

Hulkenberg on the other hand made a car control error and crashed into another car

When did i say i wanted him to be penalised? I said for the incident to be investigated :)

[FranZ]

To me no. Faces are a different shape. Considering the filename for the pic that TJ posted is "Xenia-Tchoumitcheva-Fernando-Alonso-13-1024x768.jpg" and Xenia Tchoumitcheva is a different Russian model.

Hey, even if it is the same person, everyone now has a few more photos of her :)

[SimonR32]

When did i say i wanted him to be penalised? I said for the incident to be investigated :)

You only investigate something to see if a penalty is warranted...

[TJ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nks9aJAzCMI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Good watch.

[MGR]

Yep, he did. It's ok though, it's RBR.

http://i.imgur.com/3mKch.jpg

There is footage of him passing a HRT at turn 2 under yellow flags as well. Not sure which lap it was. So it looks like twice in the same race.

The light is SOLID. For it to be considered a Yellow flag it must be flashing. Solid light denotes 'Slippery Surface'.

There is no footage of him overtaking a HRT under Yellows flags. There is however footage of him overtaking a HRT before a yellow flag zone.

[Sebdullah]

Just for you Rhettles:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2012_f1_japan_sebastian_vettel-1007.jpg

quoted to annoy Rhett on another page

[EVLO]

The light is SOLID. For it to be considered a Yellow flag it must be flashing. Solid light denotes 'Slippery Surface'.



Taken from another website arguil.. From FIA regulations: 4.2 Light signals Lights may be used to supplement or replace waved red, yellow, green, blue and white flags. There is no light for red&yellow flag.

I haven't been able to find any rules or regs that state a solid yellow light = red/yellow flag.. Is it a new rule since Sunday afternoon? :D

[Sleepy]

http://youtu.be/Vm_6c_PWi7E
I believe this was legal because he overtook before he crossed the line into the flashing yellow zone.

[SimonR32]

Taken from another website arguil.. From FIA regulations: 4.2 Light signals Lights may be used to supplement or replace waved red, yellow, green, blue and white flags. There is no light for red&yellow flag.

I haven't been able to find any rules or regs that state a solid yellow light = red/yellow flag.. Is it a new rule since Sunday afternoon? :D

They seem to have conveniently missed part of the regulation and added in their own opinion haha


4.2 Light signals

Lights may be used to supplement or replace waved red, yellow, green, blue and white flags. When lights are to be used at an event they should be described in the Supplementary Regulations and the following requirements should be respected.

I'm assuming that there is event supplementary regulations that would have been noted in the drivers briefing

[Brockas]

I don't think that's her., Alonso's missus is Dasha Kapustina. Or am I mistaken?

Correct. A few more photos because... well, who's going to complain?

http://topsportracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Dasha-KapustinaNew-girlfriend-of-Fernando-Alonso-1.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dasha+Kapustina+F1+Grand+Prix+Germany+0Zym7p1m8t6l .jpg
http://topsportracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Alonso-and-Dasha-Kapustinahis-girlfriend.jpg



ps. LOL @ all the guys in the background of this one:

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dasha+Kapustina+F1+Grand+Prix+Germany+ikGu5nPK1jAl .jpg

Close up of the guys face.... "One day my precious":
http://imguol.com/2012/07/22/dasha-kapustina-namorada-de-fernando-alonso-foi-torcer-pelo-espanhol-na-alemanha-1342976326076_956x500.jpg

[JME]

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn92/JIP75/net%20stuff/__hr_one_eyed_monster_psd.jpg

[Brockas]

LOL!!!!

[NoOg_sTaR]

More Lotus piss takes!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8pbQkTCEAAtpMK.jpg:large

[MGR]

I'm assuming that there is event supplementary regulations that would have been noted in the drivers briefing

I don't have a copy of the sup regs from Sao Paulo here's a copy of the operations guide from the Belgium GP this year:
http://www.cncs-ncsc.be/root/images/stories/reglement/2012/particuliers/2012%20belgian%20gp%20fia%20facilities%20and%20ope rations%20guide_v1.pdf

Page 34 outlines the operation of the F1MS trackside equipment. Section 3.7 lists the unrestricted flags signals that can be sent from all F1MS remote control handsets (ie the flaggies control box). This includes the yellow/red signal denoting the slippery track/oil flag. Unfortunately an array of red and yellow lights still look pretty much yellow to the drivers.

But this doesn't matter as the red/yellow signal is shown as a solid light. A single waved yellow flag is denoted by a flashing yellow signal at 4Hz, and a double yellow is represented by a flashing yellow at 8Hz.

[TJ]

Continuing on the Vettel hate train


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8qToRfCQAEDKde.jpg

"I would go to Ayrton's grave to tell him what his nephew did"


That is of course, after Vettel turned in on him with nowhere for Bruno to go.

I know this will get caught up in the midst of Rhett-Rag (c) 2012, but that is a fucking dog act of a thing to say.

[SimonR32]

That is of course, after Vettel turned in on him with nowhere for Bruno to go.

There was another car in front of Senna and on Vettel's left that somehow found somewhere to go... But Bruno had nowhere to go? Because he tried to shove his car through the corner up the inside? Come on... All he had to do was brake and he would have not hit. Mind you it was a Hamilton style move by Bruno so I guess is your eyes it was ok :P

PS. Is that quote translated from German to Italian or English to Italian or does the Nazi speak Italian? Either way it's almost guaranteed to be taken out of context and partly lost in translation.

[Brockas]

PS. Is that quote translated from German to Italian or English to Italian or does the Nazi speak Italian? Either way it's almost guaranteed to be taken out of context and partly lost in translation.

shhhh.

Let the haters hate. They need something to keep them happy... after all, they don't have the WDC in the hands of their favourite driver.

[V70R]

Who gives a fuck about the yellow light any more.
Thread needs more pics of Alonso's mrs

http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/ent_images/Alonso%20&%20Dasha%20Kapustina_16acd.jpg

http://img1.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/z/7/z7pl4vwv5z56wv5p.jpg

http://img1.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/w/1/w1or32drcabfwfoc.jpg

http://img2.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/n/9/n9sbo8kamzy9mayo.jpg

[Kaido]

There was another car in front of Senna and on Vettel's left that somehow found somewhere to go... But Bruno had nowhere to go? Because he tried to shove his car through the corner up the inside? Come on... All he had to do was brake and he would have not hit. Mind you it was a Hamilton style move by Bruno so I guess is your eyes it was ok :P

PS. Is that quote translated from German to Italian or English to Italian or does the Nazi speak Italian? Either way it's almost guaranteed to be taken out of context and partly lost in translation.

By being a racing driver you are under risk all the time. By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver

[Kaido]

Who gives a fuck about the yellow light any more.
Thread needs more pics of Alonso's mrs

http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/ent_images/Alonso%20&%20Dasha%20Kapustina_16acd.jpg



would not bang! bitch is too skinny in that pic

[FranZ]

You know how I know you're gay...?

[TJ]

There was another car in front of Senna and on Vettel's left that somehow found somewhere to go... But Bruno had nowhere to go? Because he tried to shove his car through the corner up the inside? Come on... All he had to do was brake and he would have not hit. Mind you it was a Hamilton style move by Bruno so I guess is your eyes it was ok :P

PS. Is that quote translated from German to Italian or English to Italian or does the Nazi speak Italian? Either way it's almost guaranteed to be taken out of context and partly lost in translation.

Everyone blamed Vettel for the accident. Bruno was already there, he was turned into.

Ill link the video this comments when I am home from work.


shhhh.

Let the haters hate. They need something to keep them happy... after all, they don't have the WDC in the hands of their favourite driver.

Not hating on much - I havnt said two words about the yellows etc. But it is a low thing to say - If that was Lewis there would be mass anger.

[Jazza]

My opinion remains that Alonso and Hamilton can drive around a shitty car and get performance out of it whilst Vettel can only drive fast when the car is developed as he likes, the proof is in the fact Webber was as good if not better for the start of the year when they lost that rear grip and were trying to redevelop things to get it back. Hopefully one day he leaves RBR and we can properly judge him.
Anyway wow Alonso's gf is amazing!

[SimonR32]

Everyone blamed Vettel for the accident. Bruno was already there, he was turned into.

Ill link the video this comments when I am home from work.

Here is the shot after Vettel turned in (and he stayed on this line throughout the corner). Note Senna is more than a car length behind (and there is another car in front of Senna on the left of Vettel that doesn't get caught up in anything)

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy15/SimonR32GTR/Capture-8.jpg

I would have said that it was about 50/50 at worst, racing incident

[MGR]

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GAezVM-zzdQ?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Interviewer:
"..and then comes the nephew of Aryton Senna, and here in brazil crashes in the back of your car, what did you think at that moment?"

Vettel: (smiles) "Well let's see, the grave of Ayrton Senna is here in Sau Paulo, at the gaveyard in Murumbi.One has to go there and tell him what is nephew did today. which did not help us ..."

What a muppet.

[Brockas]

would not bang! bitch is too skinny in that pic
You're a fucked unit.

[Jazza]

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GAezVM-zzdQ?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



What a muppet.

What the fuck...

[crabman]

My internet connection must be broken. Her tits aren't loading in the above pic.

[Niva]

mine must be fucked too cos I cant understand one word in that interview

[TheChad]

How's Kimi... Finished every race in 2012... Huge effort, drove like a fucking champ too. Spanked the shit out of his younger crashy teammate.

[Riggs]

would not bang! bitch is too skinny in that pic

If she walks up to you and says "I'm gonna fuck your hairy cock!" you would say no?

[TJ]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2012/11/humphrey_why_im_leaving_f1.html

touching words.

[Brockas]

If she walks up to you and says "I'm gonna fuck your hairy cock!" you would say no?
It's Mikey.

That would happen, and he'd find something to complain about.

[fourseven]

How's Kimi... Finished every race in 2012... Huge effort, drove like a fucking champ too. Spanked the shit out of his younger crashy teammate.

I still remember losing it at the start of the season when Autosport muppets were posting shit like "Grosjean is going to wipe the floor with Kimi, mark my words".

Was never going to happen.

[TJ]

If you take the rough edges off Romain, he has potential to be good.

Same as Pastor.

[TJ]

http://wtf1.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Fail.jpg

[fourseven]

So I was wrong about the Kobi pass. I was also wrong about the HRT pass.

Try arguing this one pingpingpingpings. 9 minutes 30 seconds onwards.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LFER0esusF0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[TJ]

Yup just watched it.

Wow.

[Brockas]

To quote Jazza on Facebook:
"I didn't think he deserved it with or without this race but non the less it's not going to change anything bro.. you just have to accept it lol"


So I was wrong about the Kobi pass. I was also wrong about the HRT pass.

I'm going to construct a list of things you've complained about so far.


1. Newey and RBR cheating all season, despite never being penalised for cheating. This is apparently a big conspiracy to ensure Ferrari, who have the largest support group in the sport and who the FOM / FIA would benefit the most from winning, don't win.... yeh, nice logic Rhett!

2. Vettel passing Kobyashi under yellow flags. Proven wrong.

3. Vettel passing a HRT under yellow flags. Proven wrong.

4. Vettel having "4 team-mates" in the race, with the Torro Rosso boys and Webber getting out of his way, along with Schuie (despite ignore the tricks Ferrari played the week before)

5. Vettel passing a Torro Rosso under yellow flags.



I'm looking forward to the next thing.

[Kaido]

so lets just say hypothetical if Vettel was given a penalty for this, i'm guessing it would be a drive-through adding 20-30seconds to his time ?

Due to the safety car on the last lap it would pretty much mean he would finish outside the points, Alonso would win the championship by 5 points. Would the FIA do this ?

[fourseven]

LOL fuck off pingpingpingping.

I'm not complaining that he has 4 teams mate. I was simply referring to how much it made his life easier on the day. More power to him! I've posted 3 videos I didn't create. Admitted I was wrong on the first 2, the last one is pretty convincing. And finally, re the RBR cheat calls, if you look back over the season they've been in some pretty dodgy positions. The FIA preferred lodging technical directives over penalties. Again, more power to them.

I've accepted that Vettel is WDC 2012. Doesn't mean I can't discuss it, share videos or post. So eat a dick xox


so lets just say hypothetical if Vettel was given a penalty for this, i'm guessing it would be a drive-through adding 20-30seconds to his time ?

Due to the safety car on the last lap it would pretty much mean he would finish outside the points, Alonso would win the championship by 5 points. Would the FIA do this ?

20 seconds would likely be applied, putting him in 8th place, giving Alonso the WDC.

Won't happen. Doesn't make it any less interesting.

[TJ]

Nope, no they wouldnt.

[Kaido]

interesting no one pick it up during the race, if they had would he have just need order to give the position back or is it a drivethrough for passing under yellows?

[fourseven]

There is a marshal who switches from a yellow to a green flag as Vettel passes by. Yellow lights still on dash, yellow flashing board on the right.

I'm guessing this makes it legal. Still an interesting video.

[SimonR32]

Kek at not clearly being able to see flag Marshals in the video :)

Also it's 3 team mates... not 4 you doofuses :P

[V70R]

FFS stop going on about the overtaking under yellows.

[Jazza]

He might of included MS as a team mate too? Haha.

[fourseven]

Of course, Schumi included.

Adam if you don't like it don't open the F1 thread.

[V70R]

Rhett, but you're flogging a dead horse with it.

[fourseven]

Maybe you and Brockas can cry together.

I'm posting F1 content in an F1 thread, deal with it.

[V70R]

http://crenk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/sebastian-vettel-bernie-eccelston-700x437.jpg

[ELUSIV]

The Vettel haters really make me laugh. I appreciated that he was a great driver the past few years but accepted that 2010/2011 was largely the pace of the car that allowed him to do so well. This season however I have become a huge fan of his. The pace of the cars has been quite even with some favouring some tracks over others. Came into this season supporting Fred and by the last race was happy with either of them winning the WDC as I felt they both had equally good seasons.

Alonso clearly had a great first half of the season and then second just a bit unlucky with being taken out by Grosjean. Curiously his season started going down hill when he shacked up with the ruski :P
Still the Ferrari's pace lacked a little, but I don't think it was so bad that it took him out of the running, which was evident by his consistent podiums. The Ferrari did have the advantage of reliability which both Red Bull and McLaren suffered. IMO it all equals out in the grand scheme of things but I'm sure someone will disagree.

Vettel had a phenomenal season and showed why he deserved to win. Fighting his way back from the back of the pack into strong points scoring positions in more than one race shows that he has got the talent to be considered one of the best drivers at the moment. Seriously he went from 20th to 5th in 6 laps of the Brazil GP if I recall correctly. How can any hater argue that isn't phenomenal driving? All that with a broken car suffering aerodynamically. Next year will be rooting for him again.

Was an awesome season, and it was really good to see some of the midfield teams pushing into the podiums and higher points scoring. It is great to see them becoming really competitive and I think if it keeps going like this 2013 is shaping up to be an even better season again. It will be interesting to see what Mercedes has in store for Lewis, personally I think he is going to struggle there for a while unless they can roll out a car that can match the McLaren for pace. I know I will piss off the Lewis lovers but I don't think he is at the same level as Alonso/Vettel/Kimi skill wise. Don't get me wrong I think he is a fantastic driver but he has been in a car that most agree, could have won the WDC but he didn't manage to do it. Perhaps it is a good thing for him given most other drivers start from slower cars and develop their skills out of necessity rather than starting in a top tier car? Anywho bring on the flames, just my opinion :)

For those sooking about Vettel having team mates, maybe you didn't watch the amount of blocking Massa did during Brazil? It is a team and I think Ferrari were the best team in that race with how they approached it and the strategy they used. On a side note was awesome to see Felipe back on form. Hope he can carry that confidence into 2013 as it could really mix things up amongst the big players!

/essay

[Fukushima]

would not bang! bitch is too skinny in that pic


You know how I know you're gay...?

Is it because he wrote alonso on his forehead?

[Brockas]

Maybe you and Brockas can cry together.

I'm posting F1 content in an F1 thread, deal with it.
From now on, every time you post something "F1 related" about RBR being cheats or something similar, I'm going to post a picture of Seb.


Afterall, pictures of Seb are "F1 related content".



http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/11/18/1226518/889159-sebastian-vettel.jpg

[TJ]

Interesting JA review on Button vs Hamilton:


Qualifying
Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Poles: Hamilton 9 / Button 1
Front rows: Hamilton: 23 / Button 9

Races
Wins: Hamilton 10 / Button 8
Podiums: Hamilton 22 / Button 25
Points finishes: Hamilton 45 / Button 47
DNFs: Hamilton 13 / Button 8
Best race result (inc DNFs): Hamilton 32 / Button 26
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13

Championship
Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672
Seasons finished higher in standings: Hamilton 2 / Button 1
Highest championship placing: Hamilton 4th (2010, 2012) / Button 2nd (2011)
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/hamilton-and-buttons-head-to-head-record-at-mclaren/

What does that tell you?

Lewis is quicker, but threw away 2011, McLaren threw away 2012 for him.

[Jazza]

Elusiv that is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read.. when the RBR was shit Vettel struggled to match Webber until it was developed as he liked. The Abu Dabi race was insanely lucky with safety cars and events and whilst his drive in Brazil was decent, forgetting the debatable moments, how that car stayed together is insane. And you blame Lewis for this year? I'd go as far as saying I've never seen him drive so well, I think Tj's list of reasons on the previous page is pretty spot on as to why he couldn't win this year. Fck ppl who see F1 like you do are tapped!

[fourseven]

Lol giggled when I read that.

Just goes to show points don't mean you're more deserving!

[SimonR32]

What does that tell you?

Hamilton is a one lap wonder and then throws it all away by crashing in the race :)

[mehow2g]

If people think RBR are cheating or fia favours them then FIA killed senna.

[ELUSIV]

Elusiv that is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read.. when the RBR was shit Vettel struggled to match Webber until it was developed as he liked. The Abu Dabi race was insanely lucky with safety cars and events and whilst his drive in Brazil was decent, forgetting the debatable moments, how that car stayed together is insane. And you blame Lewis for this year? I'd go as far as saying I've never seen him drive so well, I think Tj's list of reasons on the previous page is pretty spot on as to why he couldn't win this year. Fck ppl who see F1 like you do are tapped!

Crock of shit according to you and your perception. Developing a car to what the driver likes is part of Formula 1. Have you not been following it for very long? It is a team sport, the engineers work with the drivers to produce a package that works best for them, this has always happened with every driver and every team.

He was very lucky and also unlucky at the Abu Dabi race. The safety car helped immensley but it also put him to the back of the pack again with the tire change. So he had to work his way up twice throughout the race. Not disputing there was luck involved, but it seems all you Vettel haterst can't see the other component was a massive amount of skill for him to get himself into 3rd after being at the back of the pack twice. Talk about one-sided.

I do think Lewis drove extremely well this year. But it is what I was saying that I don't think his best is at the same level of the other drivers. He had a car that had equal pace if not better in a lot of cases than his rivals. In my opinion the McLaren had the best pace of the year, but as I said before the pace between the front runners was closer than it has been in a while. Mechanical problems and crashes aside, his results when finishing werent as consistently as high as Alonso and Vettel. Lewis had a number of races where he was in the bottom of the points scoring, Alonso and Vettel were more often than not keeping the middle of the points scoring or better. The average points tells the story, Lewis completed 15 races for 190 points, gives him an average of 12.6 points per race completed and Vettel completed 19 races for 281 points, gives him an average of 14.8 points per race. Sure it's crude but it does show the importance of being consistently high in the points scoring. Is why I think Alonso had such a great season because he was consistent, he may not have one as many races as the others but he made sure he got the most podiums and that is what made it such a close season.

As for the reasons, I can't remember what TJ said but there is a fine line between reasons and excuses...

Don't get ya knickers in a knot and have a sook calling me tapped, I know you have responded to seeing your mate being told he isnt the best, but it's my opinion (and also a lot of other peoples). I still think Lewis is a great driver, he is becoming a more mature driver and person and I respect that. I still don't think he is at the same level as the others and unless Mercedes has a car that can compete with the front runners, he will really struggle in 2013. More than happy to be proven wrong though :)

[SimonR32]

Can we start running antilag.com/f1betting for 2013?

Keen to see the odds on Hamilton lovers jumping off bandwagon if he keeps finishing outside the points...

And keen to see odds on Rosberg out scoring/qualifying Lewis...

[Jazza]

Um where did I say manufacturers shouldn't develop towards a driver? Simply put when the car isn't to his liking he can't drive like Alonso or Hamilton. Very few ppl agree with you, there's a general agreement among anyone with a decent understanding of the sport that Lewis, Fernando and Seb are the three top drivers. I couldn't care less how you see the sport bud so don't stress :)

[Jazza]

Hopefully the Merc is at least mechanically consistent, Rosberg vs Hamilton will be good once Lewis settles! Hamilton doesn't have much of a bandwagon though.. been too long since his last WDC for that haha

[ELUSIV]

Um where did I say manufacturers shouldn't develop towards a driver? Simply put when the car isn't to his liking he can't drive like Alonso or Hamilton. Very few ppl agree with you, there's a general agreement among anyone with a decent understanding of the sport that Lewis, Fernando and Seb are the three top drivers. I couldn't care less how you see the sport bud so don't stress :)

No stress dude, each to their own :)

You said he struggled until it was developed how he liked which is a normal process for any driver in formula one. Unless you have some inside knowledge, Alonso and Hamilton also had cars changed to their liking. The point you are making doesnt make any sense. Every car is changed for each driver, it is a standard practice. I'm sure if they all switched cars they probably would do equally poorly when compared to how they perform in their own car.

Well just on Antilag it seems a vocal minority support Lewis, always the same few guys who are total fanatics about him and won't hear anything bad about their beloved. Is fair enough when you are a fan, but there are also many who don't think he is the best. I'll still maintain that he is just outside the Top 3...but not by far :)

Agreed will be interesting to see how Lewis settles in at Mercedes. If it is still a tyre eater not sure how well that will fit for Lewis, he is ok on tyres I suppose but I think someone like Button is generally better at preserving tyres. I do really hope that with Daimler now having full control over the F1 team that they'll chuck the resources they need to develop a front running car. Can't wait for 2013!

[Jazza]

How drivers adapt their style n get performance out of a car that isn't how they like it is testimony to their abilities.. ie what I haven't seen Vettel do. Again its a point many drivers and critics agree on but not all!

[ELUSIV]

I don't think you can separate the two though so unless you stick them all in the same car you'll never get a representation of what component is skill, and what component is car, fact is that they are intertwined and can't be separated. Although Vettel does have the lap record for the Star In A Reasonably Priced car on Top Gear! :P

Car's are changed to suit the drivers, not usually the other way around. If you think it is all about the car then look at 2008 when Vettel was using a slow car to consistently finish in the middle of the points for what was arguably a non-points finishing team with Toro-Rosso. Their best season ever was when he drove for them through 2008 and they have since returned to finishing consistently outside of the points.

[V70R]

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[NoOg_sTaR]

Get off Brockas's dick Adam. Your fucking avatar is annoying enough.

[Jazza]

Well we already know in equal machinery in his 1st year Lewis was a match for Alonso :) anyway I'm bored of this conversation now, had these discussions many times with many ppl before n I'm sure they won't stop anytime soon!

[V70R]

Get off Brockas's dick Adam. Your fucking avatar is annoying enough.
Im not on any ones dick, seasons finished, move on.

[TJ]

Ill happily take odds on Lewis doing over Rosberg.

[Kaido]

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Rumours from polish news is he will be entering the WTCC in 2013! i really hope he is able to return to f1!

[SimonR32]

Ill happily take odds on Lewis doing over Rosberg.

$50 dorrar?

Button smashed him, so Rosberg should obliterate him :P

[TJ]

Kubica confirmed 1.5 weeks ago he cannot drive a single seater due to damage to his arm.

[Brockas]

Kubica confirmed 1.5 weeks ago he cannot drive a single seater due to damage to his arm.
That seriously sucks :(

[TJ]

$50 dorrar?

Button smashed him, so Rosberg should obliterate him :P

100 - same conditions as usual - if a driver get injured at a period of the season where the result isnt confirmed null and void

[Buckets]

Do bruised ego's count as an injury ?

[V70R]

Kubica confirmed 1.5 weeks ago he cannot drive a single seater due to damage to his arm.
Is that for the season or permanent?
Would be such a shame if he we had to pull out of F1 permanently because of this.

[ELUSIV]

Wild stab @ WDC, Lewis 6th, Rosberg 8th. Would be very surprised if Rosberg outdrove Lewis.

[TJ]

Is that for the season or permanent?
Would be such a shame if he we had to pull out of F1 permanently because of this.

Hes been out for two seasons

[TJ]

“I’ve always believed that you should never, ever give up and you should always keep fighting even when there’s only a slightest chance.”
— Michael Schumacher

Im sure that didnt apply when he pulled over for Seb?

[pgc]

A mate just handed me this T-shirt. Apologies for the crap photo.

He reckons it suits me, but I'm unsure if he means the shirt, or the slogan.

http://i49.tinypic.com/30uzkzo.jpg

[Kaido]

A mate just handed me this T-shirt. Apologies for the crap photo.

He reckons it suits me, but I'm unsure if he means the shirt, or the slogan.

http://i49.tinypic.com/30uzkzo.jpg

keen t know where he got this?

[pgc]

keen t know where he got this?

From a guy named Norbert. The number's 0409 775 439.

[Autopilot]

Group buy on Kimi shirts?

[TJ]

Goodbye Michael - my first memories of him are the 1994 season - I was too young to remember the debut and 93.

http://youtu.be/NKHtjUYEc0o

After his first retirement.

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Old dog still has it - takes the 4th best car at the time and nails pole.

Symbolic - as the entire F1 circus crushes in to see Vettel, Michael finishes his 2nd career.
http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2012/f1/gp-brazil-race/557.jpg

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Matches Senna, and one of those rare times, shows his human side.

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German - but good quality - Michael at his worst - anything to win, and it went too far at times.

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It wasnt the first time though

[TJ]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/drunk-sacked-hrt-mechanics-brawl-at-factory/

LOL good going HRT

[TheChad]

Kimi shirts have been on eBay for a few weeks. Cheap knockoffs, but still cool as shit.

[TJ]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me730rF1Dq1rxobalo1_500.jpg

Valtteri Bottas - Williams F1 race driver in 2013.

Sir Frank Williams: “In Pastor & Valtteri we have two of the most exciting talents in motor racing and I’m especially excited about 2013. Valtteri is quite simply one of the most talented young racing drivers I have come across and we expect great things from him in the future.”

[TJ]

Heikki Kovalainen is a candidate to replace the fast but inconsistent Romain Grosjean at Lotus, the Finnish broadcaster MTV3 reports.

The highly rated Finn Kovalainen is on the market because Caterham is reportedly considering signing the pay-driver Giedo Van der Garde.

However, MTV acknowledged that Frenchman Grosjean, despite Lotus' deliberations and the 26-year-old's numerous incidents in 2012, is "more likely" than Kovalainen to line up alongside Kimi Raikkonen next season.

But Germany's authoritative Auto Motor und Sport said there is truth behind reports Lotus is seriously considering ousting Grosjean.

"Many suspect that Gerard Lopez will persuade Grosjean's sponsor Total to spend more money," read the report by correspondents Tobias Grunen and Michael Schmidt. "But even Total has a problem with this protege. The French oil company has a safety campaign for public roads, and the face of a 'crash driver' doesn't fit."

[fourseven]

James Allen says the HRT brawl is bullshit.

[SimonR32]

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/244/gohome.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/vOODG.jpg

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[TJ]

bbc reporting that Ferrari are pretty much ready to appeal the race decision.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638

[Tocchi]

being an Alonso fan, i would of prefered he won it, but it just doesnt have the same "woohoo" if it got overturned... would be a big "down" on the season in general imo

[TJ]

I think it would be awesome.

Bernie would love this played out on the world stage.

[Buckets]

+1 for awesome !

Just keeps the F1 circus on the front of everyone's mind Bernie would love it.

I hope they appeal.

[SimonR32]

I wonder if they will take my cash back off me :(

[EVLO]

^^ empty betting account today.. :D

[Kaido]

help keep the off season interesting till melb haha!

[SimonR32]

^^ empty betting account today.. :D

I'm already logging in to put some punts on some doggies haha

[Brockas]

bbc reporting that Ferrari are pretty much ready to appeal the race decision.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638
I don't see any official quotes from Ferrari nor does it say more than they are investigating footage.

I'll be seriously surprised if they do lodge a protest, especially over something so petty. Don't think it would do the brand any favours.

[Kaido]

I don't see any official quotes from Ferrari nor does it say more than they are investigating footage.

I'll be seriously surprised if they do lodge a protest, especially over something so petty. Don't think it would do the brand any favours.

Like breaking the seal on massa gearbox did?

but actually agree with you, however if the article is even remotely correct.. seems like the FIA might have to investigate it regardless, but i don't think they would do it. Think about it on lap 4 if he had been given a drive through, i'm pretty sure he would have still recover to win the championship

[SimonR32]

Like breaking the seal on massa gearbox did?

but actually agree with you, however if the article is even remotely correct.. seems like the FIA might have to investigate it regardless, but i don't think they would do it. Think about it on lap 4 if he had been given a drive through, i'm pretty sure he would have still recover to win the championship

Doesn't really matter if it was lap 4 and he could have recovered, you can't really pick and choose which rules you enforce.

It will be interesting either way, keen to see a FIA statement

[esky]

Redbull do all kinds of illegal shit that the FIA lets them get away with....be nice if they enforced the rules for once.
Hand adjustable suspension that they claimed they've never used.....once they removed it, the quali performance was reduced massively...no penalty
Holes in the floor that wasn't hole, but got banned anyway but with no penalty.
Flexing front stay/floor plank....again rules clarified but no penalty.
Overtake under yellow no penalty.
Block in quali reprimand only.

[Kaido]

Redbull do all kinds of illegal shit that the FIA lets them get away with....be nice if they enforced the rules for once.
Hand adjustable suspension that they claimed they've never used.....once they removed it, the quali performance was reduced massively...no penalty
Holes in the floor that wasn't hole, but got banned anyway but with no penalty.
Flexing front stay/floor plank....again rules clarified but no penalty.
Overtake under yellow no penalty.
Block in quali reprimand only.

forgot modified engine map

[fourseven]

Which is what makes this harder to swallow.

Brockas and his minions talking it up like Vettel has been all skill and no luck, and it's just a joke. RBR is the Ferrari of 2000-2004. While I commend them for pushing the boundaries when it comes to rules, you can't then get upset when Alonso and Ferrari fans pack the shits at seeing that video.

[pgc]

From Martin Brundle


Martin Brundle ‏@MBrundleF1

To answer many it appears the warning lights were red and yellow for slippery track not yellow so nothing to answer for Vettel.

[esky]

Not for the one where vettel overtook the torro rosso, watch the video. Yellow lights on steering wheel means car is within a cautioned zone.

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[EVLO]

I don't see any official quotes from Ferrari nor does it say more than they are investigating footage.

I'll be seriously surprised if they do lodge a protest, especially over something so petty. Don't think it would do the brand any favours.

How is protesting someone breaking the rules and cheating considered petty exactly? :D

*especially considering it will change the WDC final standings..

[fourseven]

The green flag was being waved just as Vettel passes which is probably grounds for the FIA to ignore it and not investigate.

But a few metres before that, under yellow flag conditions, Vettel was using KERS which is a clear violation of the requirement to lift off and not overtake.

There is a definitely a case to answer.

[ELUSIV]

Which is what makes this harder to swallow.

Brockas and his minions talking it up like Vettel has been all skill and no luck, and it's just a joke. RBR is the Ferrari of 2000-2004. While I commend them for pushing the boundaries when it comes to rules, you can't then get upset when Alonso and Ferrari fans pack the shits at seeing that video.

Whereas you guys are saying it is all luck and no skill...of course there is an element of luck involved in a sport such as this, but the role it plays is minimal in the grand scheme of things.

As for everyone sooking about the cheating, bending rules, etc... it is investigated and punishments are handed out where appropriate, it is the same for all teams. Teams are entitled to push the boundaries, if they break those rules then they deserve what they get. Keep in mind rules are often amended/changed to close loop holes, you can't blame a team for taking advantage of that, it is a competition after all where every edge counts and each team has the same set of rules so they also have the same opportunity to push the boundaries.

But I mean McLaren are angels, they've never done anything wrong :)

[esky]

Not sure i follow rhett.

Yellow zone is effective all the way to the point of the green flag. Vettel completed the pass before he gets to the green, so he's still under yellow. the instant he passes the green board, the yellow lights on his dash drop off.

[ELUSIV]

It all depends on if that marshall was waving a green flag before he made the move. If he was then what Vettel did was fair (marshall flags take precedence), if not then he deserves a fair penalty for it.

[fourseven]

LOL no, never have I said his drives have been all luck. I think Vettel is a great driver, I just don't think he's the best and I'm keen to see him outside of a Newey rocket.

Ferrari and McLaren have had 0 technical directives this year. RBR have had at least 7, probably 10 if I went through the Autosport archives. Says a lot about your champion.

[SimonR32]

Not sure i follow rhett.

Yellow zone is effective all the way to the point of the green flag. Vettel completed the pass before he gets to the green, so he's still under yellow. the instant he passes the green board, the yellow lights on his dash drop off.

I think there is a Marshal post between the last yellow light and the green light that you can't make out on the video. It appears that most people are under the impression there is a Marshal actually waving a Green flag at that post (which is before the Nazi) overtook.

[fourseven]

Not sure i follow rhett.

Yellow zone is effective all the way to the point of the green flag. Vettel completed the pass before he gets to the green, so he's still under yellow. the instant he passes the green board, the yellow lights on his dash drop off.

Just after that corner, a marshal apparently swaps his yellow flag for a green flag. Yes the lights are still yellow on his dash and on the digital boards, however it is believed that marshal flags override dash and digital boards.

Either way Vettel was clearly using KERS BEFORE that marshal post which means he didn't lift under yellow conditions which is still penalty worthy. If it turns out that he should've followed his dash and digital boards over the green flag the marshal was waving, or he wasn't already passed the marshal post (which is probably what Ferrari is viewing), then it's also an infringement.

I don't think anything will come of it. Alonso has said on Twitter that he doesn't want the championship won like this, and that he would be distant from F1 if the decision was protested and overturned. That may not stop Ferrari and/or the FIA pushing on.

[ELUSIV]

LOL no, never have I said his drives have been all luck. I think Vettel is a great driver, I just don't think he's the best and I'm keen to see him outside of a Newey rocket.

Ferrari and McLaren have had 0 technical directives this year. RBR have had at least 7, probably 10 if I went through the Autosport archives. Says a lot about your champion.

He has been outside of a Newey rocket. As I said before, Toro-Rosso 2008, have a look at his results for the team compared to seasons before and after his stint there. He killed it in a car that was non-points scoring.

Can't say the same for Lewis? McLaren pace for 2012 has been the best imo, Ferrari not very far behind, so the cars are fairly even kind of makes the claim that he is in a "Newey rocket" because isn't the case for this season.

I don't disagree 2010/2011 the RBR was as dominant as Ferrari was in the early 2000's. But this year particularly has showed he has the skill to be considered up there with the best as the car's were as close to being on an even playing field compared to the past couple of years.

[fourseven]

LOL he won 1 race in a Toro Rosso. This year is a prime example. RBR kept getting battered with technical directives and Newey's rocket wasn't that great, and where was he for the first 3 quarters of the season? Fucking nowhere. Where was Alonso for most of the season in a car that was CLEARLY behind the RBR and McLaren in terms of race pace (first half of season) and qualifying pace (all season)? Leading the fucking championship.

[ELUSIV]

LOL he won 1 race in a Toro Rosso. This year is a prime example. RBR kept getting battered with technical directives and Newey's rocket wasn't that great, and where was he for the first 3 quarters of the season? Fucking nowhere. Where was Alonso for most of the season in a car that was CLEARLY behind the RBR and McLaren in terms of race pace (first half of season) and qualifying pace (all season)? Leading the fucking championship.

LOL seriously you point out 1 win (oh and still Toro Rosso's only win to date)? Look at his points scoring for 2008 and then compare it to all of the years before and all of the years after. Vettel consistently finished in the points during 2008, every other season and every other driver consistently finished outside of the points. It was the team's best season and all that with 4 retirements in a row at the start due to people crashing into him and technical problems...what more do people want. The guy got in a slow car and did extremely well in it.

[bjohnson]

It was my understanding that there were conflicting flags being waved.
The yellow lights were flashing on the track/wheel but a marshal was waving a green.

I think the FIA/Marshals have messed up a bit. I'd be surprised if anything happened.

[SimonR32]

It was my understanding that there were conflicting flags being waved.
The yellow lights were flashing on the track/wheel but a marshal was waving a green.

I think the FIA/Marshals have messed up a bit. I'd be surprised if anything happened.

If that is the case then there is zero chance of him being penalised as all Seb would have to say is he was looking at the Marshal and not the lights

[mehow2g]

LOL no, never have I said his drives have been all luck. I think Vettel is a great driver, I just don't think he's the best and I'm keen to see him outside of a Newey rocket.

Ferrari and McLaren have had 0 technical directives this year. RBR have had at least 7, probably 10 if I went through the Autosport archives. Says a lot about your champion.


No one is saying its all skill people understand that there are better cars than others.

The real question is why do you think the FIA favours RBR what do FIA gain when RBR wins ?

[Kaido]

No one is saying its all skill people understand that there are better cars than others.

The real question is why do you think the FIA favours RBR what do FIA gain when RBR wins ?

what did the FIA gain from favoring Ferrari for all those years

[esky]

No need for italics Kaido.

[Jazza]

Both good points!

[fourseven]

No one is saying its all skill people understand that there are better cars than others.

The real question is why do you think the FIA favours RBR what do FIA gain when RBR wins ?

I wasn't aware that the FIA operated to gain something. They're a non-profit governing body, not a commercial entity.

The FIA don't favour RBR. That's not my complaint. My complaint is that they aren't enforcing the rules, or the spirit of the rules, because Todt favours expanding a "fairer empire" after such a heavy handed era with Mosley. The FIA vs Hamilton saga really left a sour taste for a lot of teams, throw in the bullshit with the Concorde agreement, and suddenly you've got a governing body who are scared to govern unless the sport and majority of the teams are set to prosper from it.

For example, penalising Maldonado and Grosjean and threatening further penalties was fine. But there's no way in hell they would do the same to Hamilton (who in earlier years had shown just as much erratic behaviour), Vettel or Alonso.

[Turbo2.6L]

Not for profit & non corruptable, not same.

[fourseven]

Agreed. But suggesting that I'm complaining because the FIA are favouring RBR because they gain something from it is ridiculous. I'm complaining because they won't fucking govern properly unless it suits those in charge!

[ELUSIV]

I do see where you're coming from now.

To be fair though, a lot of the accusations of cheating are areas where rules conflict or loopholes exist. The FIA have said some things are acceptable, and then later changed their mind afterward deeming them illegal. It would be unfair to say this is cheating because to the best of the team's knowledge they have acted within the rules. Jensen said it best when he was talking about the balance between innovation and pushing the boundaries, and most accept that there is a need for teams to look for every advantage they can get, it is what keeps it competitive and moves technology forward. It would be a different story if RBR was blatantly cheating as many have claimed, but it simply isn't the case, every instance I am aware of is due to conflicting rules or poorly worded rules that provide loopholes. The FIA acted on them by issuing technical directives and amending the rules plus providing clarity.

It really is tall-poppy syndrome with Newey, the guy is brilliant at pushing the envelope and innovating. People seem to jump up and down and cry that he is a cheater but can never prove that it is anything beyond bending rules or finding loopholes.

Blown diffusers, F-ducts, reactive ride height, trick brakes, double DRS, and that is just the recent years. Why is no-one having a go at all the other teams that developed these as being "cheats".

[fourseven]

No one is having a go because the other teams aren't winning championships with their "grey" area setup. If it was Ferrari or McLaren winning with that many complaints through the year then they would be in the spotlight, especially Ferrari. There's no doubt Ferrari were dodgy in the early 2000s. But Rory Byrne's cars were never questioned, they were always completely within the rules, no technical directives, and they were fast. The rest of the teams operations however were always being called into question. Their inside deals with tyre suppliers, fuel setups, unlimited resources and testing, agreements with Mosley and Ecclestone.

I respect Newey. He is obviously brilliant at what he does. It's how he does it that I have a problem with. While I understand the need for innovation, I remember posting on here a long time ago that I would much prefer to see someone win the championship because it is 60% driving, 40% car, instead of 60% car and 40% driving. That to me is the big difference between Fernando and Sebastian. Fernando drives the 60%, Sebastian drives the 40%.

[Jazza]

I agree with the above post! More about the drivers, less about the car however the hell they make that possible (ie more about mechanical grip, tighter aero regs or whatever may be best)

[ELUSIV]

No one is having a go because the other teams aren't winning championships with their "grey" area setup. If it was Ferrari or McLaren winning with that many complaints through the year then they would be in the spotlight, especially Ferrari. There's no doubt Ferrari were dodgy in the early 2000s. But Rory Byrne's cars were never questioned, they were always completely within the rules, no technical directives, and they were fast. The rest of the teams operations however were always being called into question. Their inside deals with tyre suppliers, fuel setups, unlimited resources and testing, agreements with Mosley and Ecclestone.

I respect Newey. He is obviously brilliant at what he does. It's how he does it that I have a problem with. While I understand the need for innovation, I remember posting on here a long time ago that I would much prefer to see someone win the championship because it is 60% driving, 40% car, instead of 60% car and 40% driving. That to me is the big difference between Fernando and Sebastian. Fernando drives the 60%, Sebastian drives the 40%.

The Ferrari era was a lot more dubious as you mentioned, mainly the insider deals and trading going on. The rules are far stricter these days and I can't see them getting away with any of that sort of stuff.

As I said before, it is impossible to split how much it is the car and how much it is the driver as they are inseperable and developed in a somewhat symbiotic relationship. Vettel is known for having a huge technical interest in the cars, so perhaps he is working closer with his team to provide feedback so they can suit the car better for him. Is this giving him a technical advantage or is it an example of his skill? Hard to tell.

I have supported Fred longer than Vettel, but I genuinely think they are on par skill wise now. You're suggesting Alonso is 20% better than Vettel?

Easy solution, Vettel signs with Ferrari (said he has wanted to at some point in his career), now that would be fun! :)

[fourseven]

I definitely think Alonso is better than Vettel, yes. That's why I want to see them in equal cars. Until that time me saying that Fred is better is about as legitimate as Brockas (or you) saying Vettel is better.

[JME]

I definitely think Alonso is better than Vettel, yes. That's why I want to see them in equal cars. Until that time me saying that Fred is better is about as legitimate as Brockas (or you) saying Vettel is better.


http://youtu.be/0YGn3ZyyejE

[Jumanji]

No one is having a go because the other teams aren't winning championships with their "grey" area setup. If it was Ferrari or McLaren winning with that many complaints through the year then they would be in the spotlight, especially Ferrari. There's no doubt Ferrari were dodgy in the early 2000s. But Rory Byrne's cars were never questioned, they were always completely within the rules, no technical directives, and they were fast. The rest of the teams operations however were always being called into question. Their inside deals with tyre suppliers, fuel setups, unlimited resources and testing, agreements with Mosley and Ecclestone.

I respect Newey. He is obviously brilliant at what he does. It's how he does it that I have a problem with. While I understand the need for innovation, I remember posting on here a long time ago that I would much prefer to see someone win the championship because it is 60% driving, 40% car, instead of 60% car and 40% driving. That to me is the big difference between Fernando and Sebastian. Fernando drives the 60%, Sebastian drives the 40%.

Agreed, do you think that same ratio could be said for Schumachers career? as he stands now hes not really as good as the rest of the top runners

[TJ]

Hes 400 years old, and he beat Rosberg pretty easily at points.

End of the day, Hamiltons fault.

[SimonR32]

Hes 400 years old, and he beat Rosberg pretty easily at points.

End of the day, Hamiltons fault.

It would be tragic is Rosberg beats Hamilton then :)

[fourseven]

Agreed, do you think that same ratio could be said for Schumachers career? as he stands now hes not really as good as the rest of the top runners

Schumacher was 70% drive, 30% car. But all the cars back then were 30%. Senna was 70%. Prost was 70%. Mansell was 70%. Even Dipshit Damon was 70%. Aerodynamics made up such a tiny aspect of Formula 1, even as late as 2007. It was about pedalling the best powered car around the track, and really finding the edge. Now it's about getting the tidiest packaged car through the air the quickest.

I'm not surprised that a 40+ year old in a bucket of shit can't beat people half his age in faster cars.

[fourseven]

FIA confirm no case to answer for Vettel's pass on Vergne.

[maximus]

Pretty cool:

http://i.imgur.com/ppHTz.jpg

[Tocchi]

that is pretty cool

[POH73]

Just saw TJ's post in "Cool shit you have just bought" re: Sepang tickets.

I have flights booked to/from KL for the F1 weekend and was wondering if there's any plans to do an accom/F1 ticket package for this event or just go ahead and book singley?

[TJ]

Its not an antilag event - so do it alone.

atm earlybird is 50% off - 3 day grandstand tickets across from lotus/merc for 210 bucks.

[POH73]

Will do thanks TJ. Do you have a preferred/recommended ticket seller? Just checked on the F1 main site and they have it greyed out at the moment.

Edit: Found it - http://www.malaysia-grand-prix.com/2387-malaysia-/

[TJ]

we went direct through sepang site, same as best mate used last year.

[POH73]

Cool, aannnd Done!

[TJ]

We are in N something -

[POH73]

Hmmm, I didn't receive a row and seat #. Have emailed them to find out why not.....

Details I have are Crystal Main Grandstand North Lower Tier Fri-Sun.

[TJ]

Did you get your virtual ticket? Will be there

Or did you not did the select your own seat option?

[POH73]

I didn't see where I could select a seat option unfortunately and my e-ticket confirmation states that tickets are available for download 4 weeks prior to the event. When I went to Melb this year they didn't issue tickets either until 3-4 weeks ahead of race weekend so that didn't seem unusual but lack of block/row/seat number is.

I'm a little sus but will see what they come back with on email before I jump the gun.

[Adr3naL1N]

just bought our tickets for malaysia too, pumped for this one!

[DJDINO]

Was thinking about doing Malaysia F1 next year, what was approx cost with airfare ?

[POH73]

I got return airfares incl luggage with Air Asia for ~A$450 + grandstand tickets @ A$210.00. Accommodation is the next thing to arrange....

[TheChad]

IIRC TJ got some ridiculous airfares when they were on sale, like $120 each way or something stupid.

Cheap weekend!



We're booked in for melbourne, got flights when they were cheap:
$240 return into melbs, not tullamarine,
$47 a night at the backpackers in docklands, across from the cas
$525 for 4 corner brabham package

Probably end up being a $1500 round trip when I factor in being a "baller" in melbourne.

[SimonR32]

Jenson Button has won the 2012 British Competition Driver of the Year Award at the AUTOSPORT Awards in London.

He beat 2008 Formula 1 world champion Lewis Hamilton, four-time IndyCar champion and triple Indianapolis 500 winner Dario Franchitti, 2012 World Touring Car champion Rob Huff, Force India F1 driver Paul di Resta and 2012 DTM runner-up Gary Paffett to win the award.

LOL, poor hammy!

[masTers]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/06/14/2002-2012-ten-ways-f1-improved-ten-years/

Interesting reading

[POH73]

Just looking into Accom at the moment and my initial plan of staying at the KLIA Pan Pacific has been scuttled due to the A$300+ cost per night.

Am now looking at the YounIQ, cheap and reviewed decently but no restaurants/nightlife around. The other option is Putrajaya Shangri La which is ~20km away from the circuit.

Any other recommendations?

[TJ]

I think we booked the tune hotel at the airport

[POH73]

Cool, I'll look into that too.

[Buckets]

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224113_437442079644906_1127260264_n.jpg

[joshg123]

I think we booked the tune hotel at the airport

Have stayed, will stay again. Is very basic, but for what you will be doing its perfect.

+ Side, bus is a 5 minute ride to sepang, and your going opposite way to traffic.
- side, getting into the city afterwards is tricky. Best to go back to hotel, grab a nap and head in later. As traffic going in that direction from sepang sucks.

Keep in mind if your in grandstand, during qualy and race you cant move from stand to stand or around the track. That section is your section, and they only have a support race or two, i was eager beaver and got there early last year and sat around for a lonngggg time on the sunday.

[DJDINO]

I got return airfares incl luggage with Air Asia for ~A$450 + grandstand tickets @ A$210.00. Accommodation is the next thing to arrange....
Thanks for that, will start looking into airfare and accomodation

[POH73]

Booked into Tune too. Appears pretty basic but location for the circuit and pricing can't be beat!

[BassMstr]

We are in N something -

Purchasing F1 tickets today.
Already have flights purchased

[BassMstr]

I think we booked the tune hotel at the airport

That answers my question. Group i going with we have chosen to stay in KL and just taxi or train it out there as we going for 6 days.

How long you staying?

[TJ]

Originally flying in Fri and leaving Sunday night.

Might go wed instead as an option has opened up for me - be good to see the city properly

[crabman]

$240 return into melbs, not tullamarine,


Tullamrine is Melbourne.... Enjoy the bus ride from Avalon :P

I will never stay in the city for an event at Sepang ever again. MotoGP was great, the 4+ hours it took to get back to KL Central... never again. Cheap flights came up for Melbourne with Qantas so Sepang F1 can stay on my to do list for a couple more years.

[Brockas]

I might be keen for a spontaneous trip when the time comes.


On the note of F1 trips, we're about to announce the final pricing for the Singapore F1 2013 tour. The last one was insane...

[crabman]

Keen to hear specs on this, lines up perfect with a Dive trip to Palau, so I wont require a flight there :P

[Adr3naL1N]

Staying at pan pacific at airport in KL for Malaysian gp as said above by crabman, chose to stay near the track for reasons people said of trying to get back into KL from the track. Also for the fact our flight home is that night after the race.

[Adr3naL1N]

I might be keen for a spontaneous trip when the time comes.


On the note of F1 trips, we're about to announce the final pricing for the Singapore F1 2013 tour. The last one was insane...


keen for this one. Make it 4 years straight of singapore, had an absolute blast every year! although i need to fly direct to LA from singapore so would need different flights.

[Autopilot]

www.oztips.com

Comp Name: antilag.com F1
Comp Number: 282444
Comp Password: whereperformancematters


anyone planning on challenging me this year?
i was 1st from the 1st race to the last...

Pretty much wiped the floor with you, although a long way back you where my closest competitor. I accidentally created a second account after Melbourne and decided to make that my tip with my heart account and my first account tip with my head. Still came first and second.


this is to confirm

rhett vs tj

button vs lewis

$100

Just in case someone forgot.

[fourseven]

Already paid TJ his $100. As if he would forget!

I didn't event tip a single round on oztips. Forgot Melbourne then didn't bother.

[TJ]

Its not even the money, its the lols of beating Rhett :D

[fourseven]

Probably the same feeling I had when Button thumped Hamilton in 2011.

[TJ]

15-4 in quali and same wins.

If anyone got spanked, it was Button in quali :P

[Autopilot]

I didn't event tip a single round on oztips. Forgot Melbourne then didn't bother.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2ecn3gj.jpg

Still managed to come fifth. Random tips if you don't participate?

[fourseven]

Yeah I think they just pick your selections for you.


15-4 in quali and same wins.

If anyone got spanked, it was Button in quali :P

LOL yeah, because so many points get awarded on Saturday.

[TJ]

And so many people give a fuck about coming 2nd in the WDC

Just ask your favourite driver last weekend

xoxo

/stir

[fourseven]

LOL. Lewis hasn't finished top 3 since 2008.

You've got nothing.

[TJ]

Has won more world titles since 06 then Fred?

:D

[fourseven]

But not more world titles in total.

You've still got nothing :)

[TheChad]

lol i missed my tips for Singapore so never went back to OZ tips. kind of bummed. It just reuses your last tip over and over... but if you get all 9 you dont get the bonus points, as I found out last year.

[Brockas]

Has won more world titles since 06 then Fred?

:D


But not more world titles in total.

You've still got nothing :)

Are you two still bickering over who has the most titles?




Just give up ;)

[fourseven]

No. Schumacher wins that arguement.

[Sully]

Jesus christ this is turning into the AFL thread.

[TJ]

No, not it isnt.

We are smart enough to know its banter.

[SimonR32]

No. Schumacher wins that arguement.

He has retired, stop living in the past :P

[fourseven]

Lol Simon, touché!

Sully, not even close.

[Sully]

I suppose you haven't made my eyes bleed from absorbing too much stupid yet. Play on.

In other news, 2014 aero reg changes have been dropped and are staying as is for a while yet. Seb be happy, Lewis not so much.

[fourseven]

Yep, RBR will see a few years more of domination. Brilliant!

[TJ]

best news Ive read all year

[Brockas]

:)

[esky]

I suppose you haven't made my eyes bleed from absorbing too much stupid yet. Play on.

In other news, 2014 aero reg changes have been dropped and are staying as is for a while yet. Seb be happy, Lewis not so much.

where is this reported, i can't find it?

[TJ]

Fia confirmed it yesterday

[pgc]

Good viewing.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/i8S2xmubIc0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Brockas]

Brilliant video.

[Sully]

Definitely a season you could happily sit though again. Couldn't ask for anything more really.
The thing that stood out the most in that video was the contrast between the sublime and the substandard driving this year. Only a few mm separation in those two. I think the standard has risen quite a lot in the last 2-3 seasons. So much more wheel to wheel action than we used to have.

[Autopilot]

So we are keeping the same chassis more or less but getting the V6's in 2014?

[TJ]

Definitely a season you could happily sit though again. Couldn't ask for anything more really.
The thing that stood out the most in that video was the contrast between the sublime and the substandard driving this year. Only a few mm separation in those two. I think the standard has risen quite a lot in the last 2-3 seasons. So much more wheel to wheel action than we used to have.

Really?

Some of the worst driving in a long time at times - so much so a driver was banned, that hasnt happened since the 90s!

[TJ]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YxuY6zArsFY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

This is also good.

[Sully]

Really?

Some of the worst driving in a long time at times - so much so a driver was banned, that hasnt happened since the 90s!
Yeah that's what I was getting at. There was some amazing driving from the top guys this year contrasted by some worryingly laughable efforts from the newbies as well. Top top drivers are getting better and the new guys are trying to hard to match them

[TJ]

Not really - I dont think anything from this year comes close to matching some of last years best - Webber Alonso at Spa for example.

[satch]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YxuY6zArsFY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

This is also good.

Great video, nice play on words.

[Sully]

Not really - I dont think anything from this year comes close to matching some of last years best - Webber Alonso at Spa for example.
Yeah I'll give you that one. That image cycles through my backgrounds fairly frequently

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/boofead/Webber_1920x1200.jpg

[TJ]

Formtech Composites’ press release of 7th December 2012
To whom it may concern,
Formtech Composites Ltd. is a design, engineering and manufacturing company of high-end carbon solutions and products located in Milton Park, Abingdon, Oxfordshire.
Major customers are Formula 1 racing teams like:
• Force India F1
• Marussia F1
• Lotus Renault F1
• Caterham F1
• McLaren F1
• Hispania Racing Team F1 (HRT).

Other customers are automotive companies and /or suppliers to automotive companies, suppliers to the military sector and to minor extent to the aerospace industry.
In the last F1 season Formtech Composites sold a reasonable amount of money to the Spanish team HRT and it has come to our knowledge that they owe a substantial amount of money to other suppliers in the motorsports industry.

HRT decided by mid of November 2012 to stop the F1 Racing activity. Formtech Composites is one of their suppliers, who support them until the last race in Brasil. By 15th November a payment plan for all open invoices was jointly settled between HRT and Formtech Composites and 25% of the amount was paid according to the plan – leaving still substantial amount unpaid. One week later HRT changed the responsibility of their people involved in the case and stated the following:

• Liquidation procedures started on 12th November 2012 (so before payment plan was agreed).
• They are no longer in a position to pay 100% of the outstanding invoices
• The new offer is to pay 30p for every Euro owed across their entire creditor list, with no room
for negotiation.
• The owner of the HRT F1 is a Luxembourgian Fund (misleading Formtech Composites Ltd on the
possibilities of finding a viable way to chase the debt further).

According to Formtech Composites Ltd‘s knowledge, the owner of HRT (which was formerly owned by Campos Meta 1 SL) is to 100% Thesan Capital SL and no Luxembourgian Fund.
Formtech Composites doesn’t accept this misleading information tactics. Formtech Composites is going to investigate further into the true shareholder ship of HRT and Thesan Capital SL.

Any support from the press is highly appreciated in order to keep business standards to a civilized level within the motorsports industry.

For contacting Formtech Composites do not hesitate to call us 􏰀 Ms Yolanda Cuevas +44 1235 436078.
info@formtech-composites.com
www.formtech-composites.com
Registered Office:
Formtech Composites Limited, 176 Milton Park, Abingdon, Oxfordshire , OX14 4SE, UK Tel: +44 1235 834108
VAT Registered; 938702110

[Buckets]

Is that a translation from a non english website ?

[TJ]

Yeah man

[Brockas]

Interesting.

Will be a good read when all the shit comes out from this collapse.

[Adr3naL1N]

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/18899_382840198473382_1892577597_n.jpg

[Autopilot]

http://youtu.be/cDMVac2nuAo

For the RBR fans, all three of you.

[[Jacek]]

Thanks for that, perfect breakfast viewing

[fourseven]

@Jamesallenonf1: WSJ reporting Thailand to host night street F1 race in 2015, according to B Ecclestone. 60% government backed, cash from Red Bull owner too

$12 F1 race weekend. Can.

[Sully]

Red Bull are keen as to get their own grand prix. They were trying to get the spare euro spot for 2013 at what used to be the A1 ring in Austria, now the Red Bull ring.
Safe bet that it'll have a pretty speccy side show.

PS, time for F1 2013 chat thread?

[fourseven]

Shortly!

[anton]

suppose when people start revealing 2013 cars thats when 2013 thread would be needed

[Tocchi]

i suppose when it is 2013, a 2013 thread would be needed

[TJ]

Odds are high of an 01-01-13 start date

[Tom]

The sound of that V10 is absolute porn!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFpXGoJ3BiI

[ALEX.]

I loved watching that. Seeing the driver slowly get more confident in the car and how it is handling. Everything warming up over a few laps. And then at 5:20, a little flick of adrenalin as he nails it out of the last corner, knowing he's going for a good hot lap – screaming past dozens of people along the pit wall who are watching him.

One day.

*le sigh*

[Autopilot]

Get a few in before the new thread.

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4550093_700b.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/7850/8000sddg28.jpg

http://s15.postimage.org/b54odgm23/The_Dictator.jpg

http://wtf1.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kclzid.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r109/katiemayte/165401.jpg

[fourseven]

http://antilag.com/forums/showthread.php?56920-Formula-1-2013