F1 2012 chat thread

[fourseven]

Fucking LOL at Newey.

[Brockas]

LOL @ Newey with goggles. That's fucking classic.

Great to see RBR dominating again. Vettel has this shit!


fml @ riccairdo. that run off has cost him 2 points and the lead on vergne. now his gonna fall further behind :( overall though i guess his done well to come from 21st.
By watching his times it was clear that his tyres were shot even before that little excursion. He stopped 4 laps before Vergne and unfortunately that's what cost him that last spot... having said that, Vergne started in 15th, Ricciardo started 21st, and Ricciardo made the pass for JEV very easy to stop Lewis jumping the both of them. Shows he's a team player.

Fantastic drive from DR, it's just unfortunate that it was a good drive from JEV as well.

[dmwill]

Watching they Sky Stream, post race interview - girl who handed the microphone to Vettel stands in the way of the camera and interrupts the interview to ask if she can have Vettel's hat.

Vettel: "Nooo!"

Edit: Just delayed on One HD

[SimonR32]

Well done DR, keeps on getting better and better!

Pitty he had the little off and let Verne past but still going very nicely from 21 on the grid :)

[TJ]

McLaren crashing and gardening services. Free turf with every broken car and 10 th place

[Sleepy]

Turns out Ricciardo thinks had some sort of brake issue when he came off, and Hamilton had a failed rear anti-roll bar for most of the race.
Would have been good for the finish to see Massa try and catch Webber, but probably the smartest move to keep giving Alonso maximum points.

[TJ]

lewis announces he is leaving

japan - broken car

korea - broken car

Oh my. Tin foil hat crew will be peaking out.

[Brockas]

Ricciardo was running in front of Vergne near the end of the race, but a car problem meant the Australian lost the position to Vergne.

"With about 10 laps to go, I found myself going straight on at Turn 3 and at first I thought it must have been a suspension failure because the car suddenly shot to the left and I could not stop it," he said.

"However, I realised I could keep going, even if every time I braked the car pulled to the left and I was locking the front a lot. Unfortunately, that cost me eighth place, but at least I was able to give it up to my team-mate.

"I'm still grateful to be in the points with such a problem, although it's a case of mixed emotions, as it would have been my best result of the season. But for the team overall, it's been a very good day."

Bugger. He's been robbed twice now!!

[TJ]

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LOL

[Jazza]

The only time I would be happy watchin DR race LH would be if it was for 1st and 2nd. Actually starting to feel good about Lewis leaving not that Mercedes is doing any better haha

[[Jacek]]

Ummmm....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941541

[NoOg_sTaR]

I am actually happy Massa gets to stay. He is a lesser evil compared to some of the other potato drivers.

[fourseven]

;1046152']Ummmm....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941541

Nothing new really.

[Kaido]

;1046152']Ummmm....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941541

Vettel's arrival at Ferrari has been sanctioned by Alonso, who has a say in the identity of his team-mate. The Spaniard vetoed the idea of Lewis Hamilton joining the team earlier this year.

very interesting...

[satch]

Vettel would be stupid to goto Ferrari in 2014, unless Newey is retiring.

New rules, New formulae, I would bet strongly on a Newey machine pissing all over the competition.

[TJ]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dm6kubc0QqA/UHr35d-O5AI/AAAAAAAACPI/GnPZJN1A90Y/s1600/Untitled-12.png

Fuck I lolled hard

[TJ]

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Good roundup

[fourseven]

Vettel would be stupid to goto Ferrari in 2014, unless Newey is retiring.

New rules, New formulae, I would bet strongly on a Newey machine pissing all over the competition.

I wouldn't. His speciality is aero, and everything he invents is usually borderline breaking the rules so ends up getting banned, or copied. Up until 2 races ago McLaren had more wins, and up until this weekend a Ferrari driver was leading the WDC. Throw in a couple of randoms on the top step and RBR are a long way from the domination they've had over the last 2 years.

I think RBR's success NOW is a result of other teams dropping off in the development race as opposed to RBR stepping up their game. McLaren, failing cars. Ferrari, too much wine and pasta. Lotus? Where the fuck did their innovation go... they always start the year well (fast!) and then end up nowhere. Mercedes? LOL.

I think Mercedes will step up their game big time in 2014. Ferrari will probably herp derp through the year again. McLaren will be nowhere. RBR, I wouldn't bet on them based on this year's performance.

[Kaido]

Vettel would be stupid to goto Ferrari in 2014, unless Newey is retiring.

New rules, New formulae, I would bet strongly on a Newey machine pissing all over the competition.

2014 will be more about the engine than anything else... something that RBR have no control over.

Plus look at it this way, its very clear that Ferrari have number 1 driver and the team and team-mate must back them at all cost. Something Vettel doesn't get a RBR

[Brockas]

I wouldn't. His speciality is aero, and everything he invents is usually borderline breaking the rules so ends up getting banned, or copied. Up until 2 races ago McLaren had more wins, and up until this weekend a Ferrari driver was leading the WDC. Throw in a couple of randoms on the top step and RBR are a long way from the domination they've had over the last 2 years.

I think Mercedes will step up their game big time in 2014. Ferrari will probably herp derp through the year again. McLaren will be nowhere. RBR, I wouldn't bet on them based on this year's performance.
Everything everyone does is usually borderline breaking the rules so ends up being banned or copied (double diffuser, f-duct, double-DRS - none of these were Newey designs and they were all against the "spirit of the rules" and were subsequently banned).

Based on this year's performance you wouldn't bet on RBR??? You mean, leading the constructors championship and drivers championship isn't good enough for you?

All 3 of the top teams are pretty equal, yet RBR has jumped ahead in the development race. I think it's proven now that RBR, McLaren, and Ferrari can all hold their own when it comes to building a fast car. I don't think Mercedes have proven that yet, and I wouldn't bet on them for 2014.


2014 will be more about the engine than anything else... something that RBR have no control over.
It will be NOTHING about the engine. Look at how it is now... We all know the Renault engine is down on power compared to the Mercedes and Ferrari engines, does it matter? No.

ps. RBR have a LOT of control over the engine development. They are Renault's biggest customer and get more exposure for Renault than any other team on the grid. If they make requests (for example, off-throttle engine mapping tweaks) they will get it.

Regardless, all engines will be within 20hp of each other due to the restrictions on fuel supply. That won't be the defining factor in the WDC or WCC.

[satch]

2014 will be more about the engine than anything else... something that RBR have no control over.

Plus look at it this way, its very clear that Ferrari have number 1 driver and the team and team-mate must back them at all cost. Something Vettel doesn't get a RBR

He isnt going to get that at Ferrari either, Alonso is signed up until 2016 and I dont see him playing second fiddle to Vettel.

Brockas echoed the rest of my argument.

[TJ]

Renault is rumoured to be 15hp down on Ferrari and Merc, but 10% more fuel effecient, thus needing less fuel, and less weight in the cars. In todays tyre fuckinggaynesssavethemcostheyare shit age, that is way more important than 15hp.

[bjohnson]

Like I was saying on Facebook somewhere.

Vettel would be stupid to move to Ferrari, really what reason is there to leave a team that has (almost) given him 3 straight WDC and won three straight WCC. The only reason to leave would be if Newey bailed (which I think is a condition of Vettel's contract.

Horner responded to the reports by saying that Vettel will definitely be driving for RBR in 2014 and Domenicali has come out and said that as always, he doesn't want his 2 drivers racing each other.

I think this season has been a bit upside down in regards to any team having superiority.. I mean,
RBR were hurting from the blown diffuser ban and the FIA ruling against a lot of their developments. Like other people have said they've pushed hard developing their car and caught some of the other teams snoozing a little. I think it was Horner/Newey that when Sky asked them about their jump in performance after Singapore they said that it was just a lot of smaller details, they've just been consistently refining it and it's now that they've finally got it worked out.

Surely Renault wouldn't be the underdogs in regards to engine development, I mean they are the worlds largest manufacturer of race cars.
They have a lot of experience packaging smaller capacity race motors also (Formula Renault 1.6/2.0/3.5, they also build the GP2 motors). That's before you start to look at their experience in lower capacity turbo road cars. I dare say they would also have the experience/skills of Nissan to draw on.

If anyone, I'd say Ferrari will be the ones who may struggle in regards to developing their new motor?

[Brockas]

If anyone, I'd say Ferrari will be the ones who may struggle in regards to developing their new motor?
+1.

What experience do Ferrari have with turbocharged motors? The only time they've dabbled in them is when previous F1 engines were turbo.

[TJ]

Ferrari / fiat. Fiat have dabbled for ages.

Merc own ilmor, they will be ok.


Cosworth might not even play

[TJ]

“@PortalF1: Auto Motor und Sport reports that Porsche have signed a number of Formula One personnel and begun using McLaren's simulator in Woking.”

Holy fucking shit if true.

[Joe]

I fuckin hope so!!

[POH73]

That'd be awesome if true and they follow through - VW's entry into F1! Currently the most prolific builder of small capacity turbo engines, very applicable to their brand.

[Kaido]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103472

Massa sign for 2013

and

Hulkenberg sign for Sauber 2013

[Sully]

Porsche have been pissing about with kers systems for a fair few years now as well on various projects.
They don't much like losing so I'd imagine this will be a serious assault on the category if it's legit!

[Brockas]

“@PortalF1: Auto Motor und Sport reports that Porsche have signed a number of Formula One personnel and begun using McLaren's simulator in Woking.”

Holy fucking shit if true.
SO MUCH WANT!

I doubt Bernie would grant another new team though?

[anton]

you think maybe supplying just engines till they find a team to poach?

[Bomber]

SO MUCH WANT!

I doubt Bernie would grant another new team though?
Bernie will grant whoever puts up the biggest money. He doesn't get around like a straight up pimp for nothing...

[Autopilot]

If Vijay Mallya's financial woes don't go away Force India might be up for sale. Seriously though F1 is what I consider to be a luxury brand and companies like Porche, Ferrari, Mercedes etc. Best represent a sport that is the pinicle, having the moniker of a third world country represented in a teams name sullys the prestige of Formula 1.

[Buckets]

Didn't old the TAG F1 engines have something to do with Porsche ? Could McLaren be ditching Mercedes for Porsche power (Not likely at all I'm guessing) I'd love to see Porsche get in F1 but I'd love Honda to make a come back even more even if it's just as an engine supplier. McLaren + Honda > all !

[TJ]

TAG = Porsche in the 80's

Wasnt too bad either, just ask Prost and Co....

Force India will not be for sale even if Vjayjay is in money issues - he only owns 45% of the team.

[Riggs]

Hope this is true. If Porsche enter I'm so jumping ship from NK!

[doriae86]

Buying a boxer if true and getting f1 plates

[Brockas]

Seriously though F1 is what I consider to be a luxury brand and companies like Porche, Ferrari, Mercedes etc. Best represent a sport that is the pinicle, having the moniker of a third world country represented in a teams name sullys the prestige of Formula 1.
India has more millionaires than Australia has people. The elite need something elitist to support.

[TheChad]

Not to mention the best engineering school arguably in the world.

[Autopilot]

India sounds like a great place, I might move there to get a great education and become a millionaire. Then I might move back to Australia to take up the most menial of jobs so that I barely have to do any work and still suck at it worse than anyone else in the world. Indians have it made why would they ever want to leave?

[TJ]

Yes, because all of the people coming here are most certainly from that .1%

[TheChad]

You think rich Europeans are arrogant pingpingpingpings, wait till you've delt with the wealthy Indians. So much money surrounded by so much poverty, they are used to getting anything and everything they want.


Speaking generally of course.

[JME]

Alllll the money in the world and not a deodorant stick in sight!

[Joe]

Or toilet paper..

[ClevoCapri]

Dont need toilet paper when finger nails are free! Thats how you get rich!

[Sebdullah]

who needs toilet paper when you sprinkle diamonds on your food & it makes your dookie twinkle
http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/9713000/ngbbs44caeacbeb724.jpg

[Riggs]

Please tell me that is a diamond encrusted shit??!!!

WANT TO LAY ONE OF THOSE!!!!

[TJ]

HAHHAHAHHAHA SEB!

The most balla shit everrrrrr

[masTers]

Doesn't Tyson drop diamond encrusted shits after every commute from work?

[Crimson]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc1yab5JxH1r8kneko1_500.png

[Brockas]

THIS is awesome.

http://jalopnik.com/5952568/explore-the-secret-underside-of-a-modern-formula-one-car

[MadDocker]

http://www.thef1slate.com/kimichat

Looks like it just started. Has potential to be funny.

[Autopilot]

Funny ad, don't know what it's for though, maybe sun glasses.

http://youtu.be/Hk1GnB331WQ

[Brockas]

#F1 Narain Karthikeyan : "I would definitely like the possibility since I have clearly proved that I have the speed to deserve a shot higher up the grid. But having said that, I think they have their own plans as always so for now I am concentrating on finishing this season on a strong note. Right now I would like to stay with HRT for 2013 as we can expect more progress with proper infrastructure which has been in place now. I think it will be decided over the winter once the season is through."


The pingpingpingping is on crack. To quote myself from facebook, if he didn't have TATA backing he'd be driving a cab.

[fourseven]

I take everything you write about F1 with a grain of salt after your Vettel/Alonso comments on Facebook.

YOU'RE on crack.

[Joe]

He has as much shit coming out of his mouth as he does under his fingernails

[mjp]

Funny ad, don't know what it's for though, maybe sun glasses.

http://youtu.be/Hk1GnB331WQ

haha its actually a clothing shop in Finland.. explains the weird nature of the ad and how they scooped Kimi :)

[V70R]

He has as much shit coming out of his mouth as he does under his fingernails
If his F1 profession fails to live up to expectation, there's always a career in coffee making.

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/29825_10151497023519762_114385321_n.jpg

[Brockas]

I take everything you write about F1 with a grain of salt after your Vettel/Alonso comments on Facebook.

YOU'RE on crack.
Tell me more about who you think deserves to win the championship.


I'll be over here in the real world, where the accumulation of points determines the winner, not subjective reasoning.

[Kaido]

Ferrari got new updates:
http://www.f1technical.net/news/17905?sid=cdf17942bf029a039594af3875558d20

[TJ]

http://p.twimg.com/A5BFNRICYAEMrt3.jpg

[sdwz180]

COTA lap.

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[Autopilot]

Ferrari got new updates:
http://www.f1technical.net/news/17905?sid=cdf17942bf029a039594af3875558d20

I thought it was against regulations to test a chassis on track other than designated test events? Sounds like some bullshit RedBull would pull.

[Kaido]

I thought it was against regulations to test a chassis on track other than designated test events? Sounds like some bullshit RedBull would pull.

teams are allow 4 straight line aero test a year.

From what i read Ferrari has done 3 test pretty much in the past 2 weeks

[Jazza]

COTA seems pretty average so far but I will reserve my judgement for the actual race!

[Brockas]

Agreed.

ps: http://imgur.com/a/cAcDa#48

That gallery someone (I'm guessing TJ) posted on the AL facebook is awesome.

[TJ]

You know it :)

I actually REALLY like COTA on F1 2012

[Autopilot]

I agree with TJ the track takes some of the best parts of other tracks and whacks them all in one place.

[V70R]

Is it just me or does anyone else find a similarity with the first corner at the top of the hill similar to the cork screw at Laguna Seca.
Only in America

[TJ]

Just you :p

[Jazza]

Def just you lol

[Adr3naL1N]

Kimi in the press conference about the Indian GP - “Well, I came last night at one o’clock, so I’ve only seen the motorway and the hotel. The hotel, outside it, looks nice. I have no complaints so far.”

ahh kimi.

[Brockas]

If anyone is watching FP1 right now, they are looking closely at the RBR front wing.

Incredibly, the bottom section of the wing is only held on by about 2cm of carbon fibre to each mounting point. In other words, those two big pillars you see on most cars connecting the nose to the front wing are actually only attached by about 2cm each on the RBR.

They suspect that, while it passes all the tests, it's slightly rotating at speed and deflecting, ensuring that it's giving the maximum downforce at low speeds but reducing drag at top speed.



Fucking hell Newey is a genius and obviously his team of engineers are pretty fucking clued on too.

[esky]

Mclaren have been doing it for a few seasons whilst redbull did the flexy wings.

Once flexy wing got rained in RBR have done the rotating wings as well.

http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2011/06/28/mclaren-european-gp-wing-movement/

[Kaido]

FP1 times:
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:27.619 22
2 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.929 0.310 22
3 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:28.044 0.425 24
4 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:28.046 0.427 25
5 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:28.175 0.556 22
6 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:28.447 0.828 25
7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:28.542 0.923 24
8 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:28.993 1.374 23
9 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:29.204 1.585 24
10 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:29.291 1.672 24
11 19 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1:29.691 2.072 26
12 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:29.760 2.141 23
13 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:29.802 2.183 18
14 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:29.850 2.231 19
15 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:29.895 2.276 19
16 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:30.041 2.422 26
17 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:30.401 2.782 23
18 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:30.630 3.011 24
19 20 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1:30.896 3.277 20
20 15 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1:31.212 3.593 29
21 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1:31.903 4.284 22
22 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:32.125 4.506 24
23 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1:32.369 4.750 19
24 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1:32.859 5.240 13

[mr m00se]

Watching FP2 atm on sky stream.
They are talking to the Pirelli rep about next years tyres and he's explaining that they are making them softer next year and talking about all the extra research the teams will need to do in the aero tunnel because the load profile of the tyres are going to be different for next year, effecting aero.
This shits me to tears, its not new tyres because they have come up with new and awesome that makes them faster or corner better, its just so that the drivers need to learn the new tyre and spend shit loads on new testing....

[Jazza]

Fckin aids if that is the case. The racing needs to be more about the cars and less about the tyres! Spend the coin developing the cars not anything to do with the tyres.

[Brockas]

Fckin aids if that is the case. The racing needs to be more about the cars and less about the tyres! Spend the coin developing the cars not anything to do with the tyres.
Yes, do this!! Keen to see RBR fucking dominate again :p

Fuck Maldonado ever winning another race.

[mr m00se]

Apparently Brasil is where the teams will get batches of next years tyre to test

[Jazza]

Yes, do this!! Keen to see RBR fucking dominate again :p

Fuck Maldonado ever winning another race.

Yes because that is SO different to right now.. :rolleyes:

[Brockas]

:)

Someone check on Rhettles. I'm worried about him.

[fourseven]

I'm fine pingpingpingping. Fuck you. I hope Vettel cops a spring to the head tomorrow.

[Brockas]

Ahhh me Ferrari updates...

[r32pat]

I'm glad to see my boys on the front row again!! Also pretty fucking stoked that Dan is taking it to the douche vergne this year aswell!!

[satch]

I'm fine pingpingpingping. Fuck you. I hope Vettel cops a spring to the head tomorrow.

I know your only kidding, but hope not, championship is shaping up nicely, need Hamilton and Kimi to win a couple to really bring in to a boil

[Adr3naL1N]

I'm glad to see my boys on the front row again!! Also pretty fucking stoked that Dan is taking it to the douche vergne this year aswell!!

i just hope dan can steal a few more points in the last races so he can pass vergne on the points standings, it doesnt reflect at all how badly dan has beaten vergne this season. Dan has just been so much quicker. I really hope when the time comes they move dan up to RBR before vergne.

[Autopilot]

Redbull cheating again!

http://thef1times.com/news/cache/images/vettel-india-cut.png

http://thef1times.com/the-paddock/display/06894

[TJ]

Lewis chatted to Martin on the grid walk

First time in .. 3 years?

[Kaido]

Lewis chatted to Martin on the grid walk

First time in .. 3 years?

He actually looked happy

[Lonewolf]

cracking first lap!
fernando's car is quick, with kers/drs/tow/gearing, only going to get more important as the race goes on and cars get lighter

[TJ]

Fuck this is boring.

[Buckets]

+1

Need a safety car to shake it up.

[Adr3naL1N]

Fuck this is boring.

just like india last year, is the worst race on the calender in my books. i want it to get dropped.

[Kaido]

As much as i hate to say this i think the championship is over and Vettel will take his 3rd one.

Ferrari made progress but little too late i think

[fourseven]

Brilliant drive from Fernando. Massa gets another year, turns back into a crab.

Fuck Vettel.

[Kaido]

Anyone notice how slow Lotus seem in a straight line even with DRS Kimi couldn't get massa.

[Sebdullah]

Another 10 laps & fight for 2nd & 3rd would have gotten interesting
Good job by Webber to hold off Hamilton without KERS

[Autopilot]

Such a good start to this season and now it's turned to shit, how predictively boring.

[Buckets]

The podium interview with Brundle doing it was sadly somewhat of a highlight for this race. He should do it from now on, it was pretty decent.

[Jazza]

Anyone notice how slow Lotus seem in a straight line even with DRS Kimi couldn't get massa.

Kimi had a 7th gear top speed of 310km/h while Massa could get to 306 without DRS and 320 with it hints why it was useless.


Another 10 laps & fight for 2nd & 3rd would have gotten interesting
Good job by Webber to hold off Hamilton without KERS

Just FYI Mark had it for the last few laps.

BAT.SHIT.BORING.

[mjp]

I must admit the after show re cap on sky sports was better than the race itself haha!

props to mclaren doing a pitstop 3.4 sec included steering wheel... Guinness world record maybe? :)

[Brockas]

just like india last year, is the worst race on the calender in my books. i want it to get dropped.

Would be happy if this and Valencia got dropped and replaced by two decent races.

The weird thing is I'm not sure why it's so shit. There are 2 long straights into two tight turns... this usually leads to some great passes, but in India it just doesn't.

[mjp]

^
Magny Cours and Imola for me if i was to replace Valencia and India :)

[TJ]

F1 has out grown Imola.

Turkey would be nice.

[Sebdullah]

Just FYI Mark had it for the last few laps.


Thought he might have, just didnt hear them mention anything of it...maybe I just wasnt paying attention

[Brockas]

F1 has out grown Imola.

Turkey would be nice.
How good would it be to see F1 at Laguna? :p

[TJ]

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:p

[Kaido]

The pit exit would be so interesting

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[sdwz180]

2:30, lol at Martin Brundle... "because I need to"

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[skidkid]

IMO the race was shit due to tyres, having hards avail was a mistake, 1stops made little chance to be made up in pits ect, would have been good on Super soft and soft only..

[satch]

Every now and then, someone special does something that re-affirms my faith in man kind. Alex Zanardi is one of those.

See article - http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/10/is-there-no-end-to-zanardis-sporting-spirit/

[FranZ]

One of my biggest disappointments was not being able to catch up with him and get a photo with him when we were at the Nurbgurgring last year. Alex Zanardi is awesome!

[sdwz180]

Hulkenberg confirmed to drive for Sauber next year.

http://m.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/286458/hulkenberg-confirmed-at-sauber-for-2013/

[redline07]

Ricciardo and Vergne signed for TR next year. Expected really, but still good for Dan.

[TJ]

Dan is confirmed at TR for 2013.

Hope the car is good and he is on form .. RB 2014 !

[TJ]

lol good timing Mr Ferrari

[Brockas]

Good news all round :)

If the Torro Rosso was more competitive Daniel would be kicking Vergne's ass in the points tally. It's 10-7 to Daniel in the races now, and something like 15-3 in qualifying. Fantastic performance considering the hype surrounding that French fuck.

[Brockas]

ps. Qualifying head-to-head's as of 3 races ago:
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/22058/7784859/Who-is-ahead-in-the-qualy-head-to-head

[TJ]

F1 Fanatic is much more up to date negro :P

[Brockas]

ps. How awesome is this!!!

http://i.imgur.com/NGHdo.gif

[manna_85]

Anyone watching Sky sport there is a brilliant interview with Murray Walker on atm.

[Autopilot]

Anyone notice Marks massive face herpes? If he wins and throws his helmet into the crowd, do not want!

[Kaido]

Finger cross Vettel gets fucked by the FIA for having to stop on his in lap!

[mehow2g]

Probably the most boring track for the series.

[fourseven]

Vettel excluded from quali, starts from back of grid :)

Come on Alonso. Claw back that WDC lead!

[TJ]

So happy.

Hope Lewis wins, Alonso 2nd, Vettel 11th.

[fourseven]

I rate that!

[TJ]

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Seems happy.

[satch]

Maldonado will clean up front row.

[Bomber]

LOL at Webber's comments regarding Lewis not having great starts this year. I can't remember the last time Webber got away clean! Glass houses etc

[mischief1]

I think he means first few laps, not just off the line

[ELUSIV]

Boring track, but given the qualifying order hoping that there will be some reasonable action with Vettel fighting from the back of the grid and Alonso trying to get some points to get the lead back from Vettel.

Normally I loathe Abu Dhabi but looking forward to seeing how it unfolds.

[Frenchy]

LOL at Webber's comments regarding Lewis not having great starts this year. I can't remember the last time Webber got away clean! Glass houses etc

He's been starting MUCH better this year than he has previously!

[Kaido]

Abu Dhabi GP: Red Bull makes major set-up changes for Vettel



Red Bull has made major changes to the set-up of Sebastian Vettel's car ahead of the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix in a bid to help his chances of charging through the field.

The world champion will start from the pitlane at Yas Marina after his team elected to remove his RB8 from parc ferme overnight in the wake of the fuel cell problems that led to his exclusion from qualifying.

The team claimed that it had chosen to take the car out of parc ferme to get to the bottom of why the FIA was unable to extract the mandatory one-litre sample of fuel it requires for post-qualifying checks.

But as well as working on the fuel issue, Red Bull has made hefty revisions to the set-up of the car to try to boost Vettel's chances of recovery.

A statement issued by the FIA a few hours ahead of the race revealed that Red Bull has replaced the gearbox of the car, made changes to the suspension and had also fitted new gear ratios to those submitted after second practice.

The changes to the car will be primarily aimed at optimising its chances of overtaking other cars - especially because in its configuration on Saturday the Red Bull was slowest through the speed trap at the end of the main straight.

According to the FIA's official speed trap figures issued after qualifying, Vettel and team-mate Mark Webber were at the bottom of the rankings - with speeds of 193.5 and 193.4mph respectively.

This compares with the fastest speed of Pastor Maldonado at 202.4mph – while main rivals Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton were recorded at 198.7 and 195.0mph

Red Bull is likely to have ensured that Vettel has more straightline speed potential in the race, so he is more able to make use of the two DRS zones at Yas Marina and overtake other cars.

Team principal Christian Horner said on Saturday night that he believed there remained opportunities for Vettel to score points in the race as the championship enters its final stages.

"There is no reason why Sebastian cannot salvage something," he said.

Red Bull is still in with a chance of securing the constructors' championship in the Abu Dhabi GP.

To do so, it needs to outscore Ferrari by six points and McLaren by 16 on Sunday.

[TJ]

New tooned - awesome.

Currently interviewing Newey on Sky F1

[TJ]

Interestingly - Newey just said all their simulations and experience shows that the fastest way around the track is to run high downforce....

[Kaido]

LOL @ Christian Horner Pretty much blaming Renault for Vettel having to stop.

Was saying RBR have no say on the amount of fuel they put in the car they tell Renault how many laps they want to do and Renault sort it out and they got it wrong

[Frenchy]

He's been starting MUCH better this year than he has previously!
FML.....

[Tones]

FML.....

Hahahahah that had to of been one of the worst ever

[JME]

Airtime!

[Lasoya]

Horrific crash.

[Tones]

Hahahaha good work DR hahaha

[MGR]

Lol Seb. Fucked yourself properly now.

[TJ]

Nice of Lewis to ask if everyone is ok.

LOL @ Vettel

Huge accident too, glad are both ok.

[fourseven]

There goes Ricciardo's contract for next year!

[PHIL]

vettles a chump. cant blame daniel for that.

[Tones]

Hahahaha Hamilton. This is an awesome rsce

[MGR]

FFS McLaren.

[PHIL]

best race ive seen this year hahaha

[Tones]

Lotus engineer "we'll. Keep you uodated"
Kimi "just leave me alone!"

[ELUSIV]

Farkin love Kimi - "Just leave me alone, I know what to do".

[Lonewolf]

should have known better trying to pass pasta.

Kimi: yes.

someone check on TJ? I'm worried.

[fourseven]

Me too.

Driver of the day = Pastor.

Suck shit RBR, karma pingpingpingpings.

[n1ghth4wk]

LOL Angry Massa is angry.

[TJ]

Webber - overtaking champion 2012

[ELUSIV]

Expected the most boring race of the season, got the most exciting race!

BL to Hamilton, I'm not a fan of his, but having more and more respect for him as he is becoming a much more mature driver and person.

Webber, driving like a drunk muppet, needs to stop eating so many Weetbix.

Vettel, if he can get to the end of the race, hat off will be the driver of the day for sure. Made some minor mistakes, but has done a brilliant job starting from the back twice!

[esky]

If vettel doesn't pit again I think he's leading the race.

[Fukushima]

Well this is a shitload more exciting than last year

[esky]

If vettel doesn't pit again I think he's leading the race.

Not quite but close, surely he can't finish on these tyres.

[fourseven]

Vettel's tyres are surely going to go off in a huge way.

[Tones]

Pirelli rep said max 36 laps. He needs to do 40+

[Lonewolf]

without a doubt.
Cant push that hard and expect them to last such a long period of time, particularly against guys with much fresher rubber

[Alt_F4]

WTF pingpingpingpings?!?

[TJ]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[Tones]

Who's looking forward to Webber post race interview?

[esky]

Vettel to win?

[fourseven]

Yeah, enjoy the gift you Kraut fuck.

[TJ]

LOL Kimi!!

yes yes yes I know what I need to keep doing

[Lonewolf]

LOL I love kimi

[Tones]

LOLLLL kimi

[Torquen]

Fuck raggggggggge!

[ChrisGTR]

Hahaha I love Kimi. Hope he wins this one.

[ALEX.]

Kimi on the radio is a crackup.

Last crash was, obviously, not Webber's fault. But half-deserved given his driving earlier.

[Buckets]

Kimi better win this !

Someone please punt Seb off !!!

[ChrisGTR]

Fuck Kimi is quick! 1:45.4 a lap after the safety car.

[TJ]

Dan passed Vergne!

Yes!

[Buckets]

Fuck One HD.... Fuck ad's !!!

[Buckets]

Here comes Alonso !

[n1ghth4wk]

Yeeessssssss!

[lathiat]

Lotus LOLs:
http://instagram.com/p/RmhnpbLk_p/

"You'd be surprised where #MiniKimi found fuel to light the barbecue last night..."

[Tones]

YES KIMI!!!!

[mehow2g]

LOL KIMI

[ClevoCapri]

Awsome race!
Kimi's win. Vettel charging through the pack!
Dan gets in the points!
Brilliant.

[TJ]

first lotus win since 1987

[Jizz-Lebrity]

Amazing drive from Seb (with a bit of good fortune). Onto the podium from the pit lane!

Glad to see Lewis retiring and Dan in the points.

[1JZVL]

yahoo

[n1ghth4wk]

Lol Kimi quick enough to bail or what?

[dmwill]

Yes.

[Lonewolf]

might even crack a smile

Just kidding.

[mehow2g]

Congrats Kimi, Vet was outstanding if he got button few laps earlier he might of had a crack at alonso

[mehow2g]

LOL AT THAT INTERVIEW AHHAH

[TJ]

LOLLLLLLLLLLL Vettel just said fuck it up on the podium!

[n1ghth4wk]

Fuckin' lol at Kimi's face when the guy said to Vettel that it is rose water or something not champagne. Bet he won't try skulling the bottle again.

[ALEX.]

LOL, race drivers peppering their sentences with curse words live to the world.
Jokers.

[fmx939]

Lol Vettel u funny Bugga!!!

[dmwill]

...we're speaking a 2nd language here.

[TJ]

http://www.thef1slate.com/kimichat

Live chat with Kimi now!

[Bomber]

LOL at Webber's comments regarding Lewis not having great starts this year. I can't remember the last time Webber got away clean! Glass houses etc


He's been starting MUCH better this year than he has previously!


FML.....
Lol :D

[NoOg_sTaR]

KIMI!!! BUTTON WHY DIDN'T TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM AND TAKE OUT VETTEL!?!

Side note Kimi and Vettel had a nice choice of words in Abu Dhabi interview.

They will be found dead tomorrow.

[TJ]

Georgie on sky - so so hot btw.

[JME]

Fabulous, just fabulous!

[Kaido]

wtf is with McLaren and Hamilton? so many DNF lol

KIMI FTW!

Vettel so very lucky with all the safety cars :( bit scrappy at the beginning looking like he might crack under the pressure but good race RBR still look like the fastest car out there.

Not happy with RBR fucking mark by pitting him early :( LOL @ Mark post-race trying to be all diplomatic

Good drive by alonso... qualifying still fucking them in the ass :(

[SimonR32]

KIMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Going to be wearing my TW Steel, overdose on Rexona and eat a fucking Icecream tomorrow!

[Huy]

Great race. Loved everything - the racing, crashes, commentary and swearing!

[Sebdullah]

Best race of the year by far

[TJ]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/548951_423676117699438_1158943190_n.jpg

:(

[Kaido]

Georgie on sky - so so hot btw.

would smash!


http://www.starnostar.com/data/images/who-is-georgie-thompson-is-star-or-no-star-georgina-jane-thompson-celebrity-vote.jpg

http://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/celebrities/georgie-thompson/at-sport-industry-awards-in-london/Georgie%20Thompson-01-560x852.jpg

[Fukushima]

Wouldn't

[TJ]

How bad was Button this weekend, car easily takes pole, he cant hold on to third, complains that the car needs more pace.

Fucking really?!!

[Kaido]

So if Vettel finish ahead of Alonso next race championship is over?

[TJ]

No - would need to finish 15 points ahead.

So a seb win and Alonso 6th

[Buckets]

Georgie on sky - so so hot btw.

Natalie Pinkham's not too shabby either.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_02/PinkhamYogaMTX_468x443.jpg

http://vomk.com/files/images/Natalie%20Pinkham%20Bikini%204.thumbnail.jpg

http://celebkat.net/wp-content/gallery/natalie-pinkham-wallpapers/00388_pinkham8_122_208lo.jpg

[sdwz180]

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[c.rusli]

Best race so far this year.
Great radio between Kimi and the Pit
Commentator was hilarious
and interview by David was a joke with amount of swear in it...

Kimi just scull that "rose water" down before spraying it out lol!... classic..

[[Jacek]]

Pinkham ftw

Love it how Kimi didn't do any bullshit celebrations after getting out of the car, no finger, no stroking the car, just gets up and out - helmet still on and heads straight for the champagne/vodka. He's like F1's stig - just gets the job done and carries on haha, such a champion

[NoOg_sTaR]

;1052227']Pinkham ftw

Love it how Kimi didn't do any bullshit celebrations after getting out of the car, no finger, no stroking the car, just gets up and out - helmet still on and heads straight for the champagne/vodka. He's like F1's stig - just gets the job done and carries on haha, such a champion
I like how he ignored the guy guiding him where to go... Then later realised he is going the wrong way.

[Brockas]

Felipe Massa believes that Mark Webber should have been punished for his part in their coming together at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

The pair were fighting over sixth place when they banged wheels at the Turn 11 chicane. Webber cut the corner and as he rejoined the circuit at Turn 13, Massa spun while avoiding his Red Bull rival.

The stewards looked into the incident but decided that neither driver had been at fault and declared it a racing incident.

Massa, however, felt completely differently about the matter and was left in no doubt that it was Webber who caused the problem.

When asked by AUTOSPORT for his view on the incident, Massa said: "We braked at Turn 11, and he tried to pass me on the outside.

"I was doing the corner on the inside and then we touched wheels at the exit of the corner. Then, he decided to go straight to the chicane, so he cut the chicane.

"I did the chicane, which he cut, and he passed in front of me. I had to brake very strongly not to hit his car and I spun. So he caused an incident.

"But it is not the first time that we see the stewards not getting through the right decisions or the right direction. They decided not to give anything, which for me is completely wrong."


LOL pingpingpingping is fucked. "we touched wheels at the exit of the corner"... Massa understeered into Webber after out-braking himself trying to defend his position, despite being clearly behind Webber going into the corner. Massa punts him off the track, then complains he went off the track? wtf.

Check out the on-board again... notice how far in front Webber is on the outside before they start braking. The pass is done, but Massa throws it down the inside anyway.

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[SimonR32]

Yeah Massa wasn't going to make that corner.

Can't get over how good that race was last night, Kimi on the radio was so good for laughs. Overtaking and wheel to wheel everywhere, you just don't see that any more.

Vettel cutting up the rear of the field was also entertaining, he was definitely going hard. Pulling off some dives up the inside from miles back, I know they were slower cars but still good fun to watch

[Kaido]

LOL pingpingpingping is fucked. "we touched wheels at the exit of the corner"... Massa understeered into Webber after out-braking himself trying to defend his position, despite being clearly behind Webber going into the corner. Massa punts him off the track, then complains he went off the track? wtf.

Check out the on-board again... notice how far in front Webber is on the outside before they start braking. The pass is done, but Massa throws it down the inside anyway.

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Where else was he going to go? He had the inside line. The pass was not done.

Read the article its more the fact the way Webber rejoin the track cutting Massa off

[Brockas]

And then I had a moment with the Toro Rosso. I don't know what he did. He was braking his car down and I was surprised, caught out. Maybe I should have paid more attention, but yeah, I went to the right and I wasn't very lucky, there was the DRS board, which I took head on and then I thought 'well, now the front is fucked at least, so we've got to change it,'… (sorry).

LOL Seb dropping another F-bomb in the post-race interviews as well. Not a single fuck is given.

[Alt_F4]

Where else was he going to go? He had the inside line. The pass was not done.
LOL inside line, to what, the astroturf?

[Brockas]

Where else was he going to go? He had the inside line. The pass was not done.

Read the article its more the fact the way Webber rejoin the track cutting Massa off
LOL

Where else was he going to go? Maybe the inside line? He knows Webber is on the outside and has his car ahead of him, yet he dives down the inside to try to keep position, runs wide, smashes into Webber. He could have avoided that collision by not out-braking himself, taking the inside line, and then attacking Webber on the outside.

He's crying about Webber passing him off the track, but without his poor driving, Webber wouldn't have needed to leave the track.

I'm sure that's how the stewards saw it, and that's why there wasn't any penalties.

[esky]

"I think this weekend we had the pace to get a one-two," Hamilton said.

"I'm not really sure what Jenson was struggling with, but we had the strength in the car and the ability this weekend."

LOL.

I know what Jenson was struggling with, a lack of talent.

[V70R]

All I can say was that was the best sunday nights entertainment all year.

[TJ]

Not being shy, good work son.

[bjohnson]

Going to be hard to follow that race. No pressure USA GP.

Anyone else see this?
Good watch.

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[ELUSIV]

Read through post race conference, sucks to see Fernando's attitude at the moment. Seems very defeatist and as we know mind set plays a massive role in any sport. Hope he can chin-up and fight hard for the last races as it should be a really exciting finish to the season.

[esky]

Vettels overtakes during the race.

Senna (he was still ahead after T2)
Karthikeyan
Senna
Pic
Petrov
Glock
Kovalainen
After SC – di Resta
Grosjean
Grosjean
de la Rosa
Pic
Petrov
Glock
Vergne (gifted)
Kovalainen
Senna
Riciardo
Schumacher
Button

Interesting to see how it panned out.

[V70R]

Read through post race conference, sucks to see Fernando's attitude at the moment. Seems very defeatist and as we know mind set plays a massive role in any sport. Hope he can chin-up and fight hard for the last races as it should be a really exciting finish to the season.
He looked confident and very pumped up on the podium.

[fourseven]

LOL yeah Vettel drove a great race. Look at all those world champions and great drivers he overtook.

[esky]

So, finally admitting Schumacher isn't that great?

[Brockas]

LOL yeah Vettel drove a great race. Look at all those world champions and great drivers he overtook.

Had to overtake 20 people and albeit with 2 safety cars, only finished 4 seconds behind Alonso.

Nar, pretty shit drive hey.


ps. There are 8 world titles won by the people he overtook.

[Kaido]

Had to overtake 20 people and albeit with 2 safety cars, only finished 4 seconds behind Alonso.

Nar, pretty shit drive hey.


ps. There are 8 world titles won by the people he overtook.

remove second safety car would have finish in 4th behind button... many seconds behind alonso :P doesn't make him a good drive makes him very lucky :P

[SimonR32]

remove second safety car would have finish in 4th behind button... many seconds behind alonso :P doesn't make him a good drive makes him very lucky :P

So he would have only gone from 24th to 4th... Not a good drive

[Kaido]

So he would have only gone from 24th to 4th... Not a good drive

Lets factor in afew things
1) 2 Safety Cars
2) Pit Stop strategy (2 stopping vs 1 stop)
3) Multiply Cars crashing out
4) Raw pace compare to the rest of the field
5) Both TR cars didn't even fight they let Vettel through straight away
6) RBR pull Webber in early so Vettel didn't have to over take him (and this pretty much fucked mark race putting him in that pack of cars which ending in them smashing into him)

I don't think there was anything special about the drive when you have one of the fastest if not the fastest cars on the grid. Add to the fact RBR change the setup on the car to Suit the race, so they had the speed where they needed it!

Example of something similar:
2006 season Brazilian Grand Prix, Schumacher started 10th then got a puncture few laps in pretty much put him in dead last but ended up finishing the race in 4th.

[SimonR32]

Example of something similar:
2006 season Brazilian Grand Prix, Schumacher started 10th then got a puncture few laps in pretty much put him in dead last but ended up finishing the race in 4th.

Great example... 10th to 4th vs 24th to 2nd

[c.rusli]

lady luck on his side, what are the chances of that..
overall its pretty amazing how he climbed up and button did tried his best to defend it but opted to play safe and let vettel go.

Webber and his usual antics ... Have grid post and DNF... he did get pretty lucky to drive away with car intact after 2 bumps and no luck at the 3rd ones...

[TJ]

He didnt pass Schumacher fyi - He pitted just before he was caught for position

-Hit Senna trying to pass him
-Tried to overtake Grosjean all 4 wheels off the track.

-Perez, Massa, Di Resta, Rosberg, Hulkenburg all his incidents that got them out of the way
-Schumacher pitted just before he was caught
-Webber was moved out of his way
-Both Torro Rossos simply moved over.
-Got past Malda and Kobi in the pitstop stage in free air, no actual track pass
-Lewis went bang.

He also had the luxury of changning his car so he could be fast on the straights - he was maxing out at 322 - 10kmh more than his fp1/2/3/quali speed.

Vettel's result was amazing, however his drive less so. Despite being raped on Saturday with that penalty the guy just seems to fall arse-backwards into luck consistently. Not trying to take anything away - he was extremely quick - but it has to be said a large part of the reason he finished where he did was due to the fact he pitted early (which itself was the result of two 'at fault' accidents) and that just turned out to be optimum. Then add half the rest of the field ahead of him driving into each other or grenading, two perfectly timed safety cars and hey presto! Podium.

Still, he was fast when he needed to be.

Still happy for Kimi, gutted for Lewis, who once again exposed just how shit Button is.

[Brockas]

I don't think there was anything special about the drive when you have one of the fastest if not the fastest cars on the grid. Add to the fact RBR change the setup on the car to Suit the race, so they had the speed where they needed it!
So what does impress you?


I'm sorry but considering everyone in the F1 paddock is praising Vettel for a great race, your opposing opinion makes you look like a bit of a numpty.

[SimonR32]

Despite being raped on Saturday with that penalty the guy just seems to fall arse-backwards into luck consistently.

Generally you will find that "lucky" people are consistently lucky for a reason... If you put yourself in the right position all the time, the odds start moving in your favour. I'm not just talking about racing and F1 but all walks of life.

He also doesn't have the best luck, hasn't he been leading 2 races this year to have to retire with mechanical failure?

[Kaido]

Great example... 10th to 4th vs 24th to 2nd

problems reading? started 10th... got puncture drop down to last! my point is its not unheard of for a driver to come from the back of the pack to the top 5 when you have a top class car under you


So what does impress you?


I'm sorry but considering everyone in the F1 paddock is praising Vettel for a great race, your opposing opinion makes you look like a bit of a numpty.

Vettel has yet to be in a car which isn't top class (since joing RBR), therefore i don't rate him highly personal opinion. No doubt he can drive, If he couldn't he be like webber and not won a championship however i just don't rate him. Doesn't mean i don't accept he has skill and is a good driver. Some sporting stars you like some you don't Vettel is one i don't would not matter if he was driving for RBR or Ferrari would be the same :)

hence if he joins ferrari in 2014 i will slit wrist

[SimonR32]

problems reading? started 10th... got puncture drop down to last! my point is its not unheard of for a driver to come from the back of the pack to the top 5 when you have a top class car under you

Yes I can read, doesn't change my statement from being true...

Also note that the person who went from 10th to last to 4th at the time was one of the best driver in the world, so if you want to compare them. Then you are comparing Vettel's skill to Schui 2006 skill.

Once again I don't think anyone said it was the best drive ever but calling it not a good drive is fairly far fetched

[Kaido]

Yes I can read, doesn't change my statement from being true...

Also note that the person who went from 10th to last to 4th at the time was one of the best driver in the world, so if you want to compare them. Then you are comparing Vettel's skill to Schui 2006 skill.

Once again I don't think anyone said it was the best drive ever but calling it not a good drive is fairly far fetched

was actually comparing cars ;) not drive 2 driver skill.

however i will agree that not calling it a good drive is fairly far fetched, boy has skill i just dont like him lol

[Brockas]

Vettel has yet to be in a car which isn't top class (since joing RBR), therefore i don't rate him highly

LOL

How can I argue with that logic?
Lewis Hamilton has always driven for a top-3 team, therefore he's no good?
Fernando is driving for a team with a completely unlimited budget, therefore if he doesn't win he's no good?



Arguing against an opinion is stupid, so I'm not going to bother. All I'm going to say is I think you're wrong, and the points tally agrees with me.


Sick of everyone harping on about luck when, as Simon pointed out, Vettel should have 50 more points than he currently has if it wasn't for being unlucky. Not denying Alonso hasn't been unlucky and some points, and obviously Lewis, but it's just comical how quickly people forget about things when it doesn't concern the driver they like (myself included).



however i will agree that not calling it a good drive is fairly far fetched, boy has skill i just dont like him lol

It's unfortunate that more people can't simply admit this. I don't like Lewis - I think he's the most arrogant pingpingpingping in the field - but not once will I ever try to claim he isn't a brilliant driver.

[V70R]

Lets not forget Vettel was actually leading the race at one stage.

[Kaido]

LOL

How can I argue with that logic?
Lewis Hamilton has always driven for a top-3 team, therefore he's no good?
Fernando is driving for a team with a completely unlimited budget, therefore if he doesn't win he's no good?

Arguing against an opinion is stupid, so I'm not going to bother. All I'm going to say is I think you're wrong, and the points tally agrees with me.


Should most likely reword what i was trying to say. It would be nice to see RBR come up against a team that can match them race for race. There has yet to be a team in the past 3 years that has done so. RBR seems to have this awesome ability to continuously improve the car and always bring something new to the table which allows there drivers to be able to fight for top spot.

[mehow2g]

Vettel over took a lot of people on a hard track to overtake came 3rd.


Shit driver.

[Autopilot]

I think it's fair to say Vettel definitely had some circumstance go his way but there is no denying that combining him with a Newey built car certainly gives him an advantage over his competitors. Personally I don't think he has the raw speed of Hamilton or the intellect of Alonso but he does have that something that makes him a true Champion. One article I read recently stuck in my mind that articulates perhaps what is the common perception amongst us non redbull fanboys that Hamilton said.

~ "Sebastian misses four apexes on a single lap and still goes quickest. He goes off and he still goes quickest. And I think ‘Holy crap, I couldn’t do that lap even if I was on the limit’. His car is just that far ahead of everyone else’s. They've made such a big step for some reason.” - Hamilton

I don't know if that's just professional envy or a concise observation.

[Brockas]

~ "Sebastian misses four apexes on a single lap and still goes quickest. He goes off and he still goes quickest. And I think ‘Holy crap, I couldn’t do that lap even if I was on the limit’. His car is just that far ahead of everyone else’s. They've made such a big step for some reason.” - Hamilton
That's just typical of Hamilton's arrogance though isn't it?

When you watch an on-board of Vettel getting a pole position, very rarely is he missing apexes or going off the track. Usually if he puts in a scruffy lap, Mark beats him. Probably why it's 11-7 in qualifying for him v Webber.