F1 2012 chat thread

[TJ]

Keen to see Di Resta v Alonso... To be honest, I'd like to see Sutil and Algesuari back in a car as well. Actually rate them as drivers, they both just got a bad break (of glass, in Sutil's case).

Mercedes wouldnt let Di Resta go to Ferrari - way too much invested in him.

Sutil is probably the most over rated driver of this decade. There is NOTHING to suggest he was able to deliver at the top level.

[Autopilot]

I wouldn't mind seeing Kobayashi in a competitive car like Ferrari, he has had some flashed of brilliance. I think if he was in a decent car he might gain some confidence in himself and perform a bit more consistently.

[TJ]

Remember pre-season in 2000 anyone? Ferrari and Schumacher looking to take their first crown together, McLaren and Häkkinen gunning for a hat trick in the WDC, Jaguar coming in dreaming of green stands and promising early Grand Prix wins...

Interestingly, these three franchises are the ones that are on top of things now, but you could hardly credit Jaguar for doing that

Let's see how all these teams have evolved (with the drivers picked to start the seasons/driving the majority of them mentioned):

Ferrari were expected to go and win the 2000 WDC which Schumacher duly did. Having come off a 1999 WCC-winning campaign the team looked well-oiled strategy wise and performed great at the pit stops. They also had a driver aged 31 performing at his very peak.

2000 Schumacher/Barrichello
2001 Schumacher/Barrichello
2002 Schumacher/Barrichello
2003 Schumacher/Barrichello
2004 Schumacher/Barrichello
2005 Schumacher/Barrichello
2006 Schumacher/Massa
2007 Räikkönen/Massa
2008 Räikkönen/Massa
2009 Räikkönen/Massa
2010 Alonso/Massa
2011 Alonso/Massa
2012 Alonso/Massa

Titles (WDC): 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007
2nd (WDC): 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010
3rd (WDC): 2001, 2005, 2008

Titles (WCC): 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008
2nd (WCC): 2006
3rd (WCC): 2005, 2010, 2011

Position today relative to end of 1999: Essentially the same. Some flaws but a star drivers rescues the team on a regular basis, fighting for championships against the odds. Very good continuity on the driver side and now Ferrari have a driver in his early 30s perfoming at his peak.

Verdict: A little worse off, but still looking good.

McLaren had won the 1998 and 1999 drivers' crowns thanks to Mika Häkkinen's ability and Adrian Newey's genius (yep you read it). For 2000 the only acceptable target was a hat trick, and Mika fought hard but stumbled due to an engine failure in the USA in late September. Coulthard also did a good job, recording several wins, enjoying his best F1 season, after surviving a horrific plane crash.

2000 Häkkinen/Coulthard
2001 Häkkinen/Coulthard
2002 Räikkönen/Coulthard
2003 Räikkönen/Coulthard
2004 Räikkönen/Coulthard
2005 Räikkönen/Montoya
2006 Räikkönen/Montoya
2007 Hamilton/Alonso
2008 Hamilton/Kovalainen
2009 Hamilton/Kovalainen
2010 Hamilton/Button
2011 Hamilton/Button
2012 Hamilton/Button

WDC titles: 2008
WDC 2nd's: 2000, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2011
WDC 3rd's: 2000, 2007

WCC 2nd's: 2000, 2001, 2005, 2008, 2010, 2011
WCC 3rd's: 2002, 2003, 2006, 2009

Position today: Worse off. Being held ransom in contract talks with Hamilton and having failed to win the WCC since 1998 speaks volumes. Also no longer a factory team, since Mercedes left. Still a team that has championships in them, but this century it hasn't worked out very well. The only sustained titles charges were when Ferrari arguably had a weaker line-up of Räikkönen and Massa than what teams with the fastest car normally have.

Verdict: A good team, albeit with ground to make up to challenge for titles again.

Jordan were going for broke to win more Grands Prix in 2000. After Frentzen had guided them to a couple of wins and a 3rd in the 1999 WDC, they were confident to bang on the drum that they were now a top team. Damon Hill's presence had increased revenue and due to that legacy, they had managed to tie down Frentzen to a big three-year contract, fending off interest from Jaguar. New boy Jarno Trulli was hailed as an incredibly exciting signing. In the end their 2000 season was a disappointment.

2000 Frentzen/Trulli
2001 Frentzen/Trulli
2002 Fisichella/Sato
2003 Fisichella/Firman
2004 Heidfeld/Pantano
2005 Monteiro/Karthíkeyan
2006 Monteiro/Albers (as Midland)
2007 Sutil/Albers (as Spyker)
2008 Sutil/Fisichella (as Force India)
2009 Sutil/Fisichella
2010 Sutil/Liuzzi
2011 Sutil/Di Resta
2012 Di Resta/Hülkenberg

Position today: Ownership as Force India by Mallya has been stable for some years by now. The team can be under no illusions about challenging for the WDC like in 1999 with Jordan and has a commercially weaker base. Wise driver selection and a solid aero department helps the team being competitive in the ultra-tight midfield. Can rattle the big boys having off-days.

Verdict: Worse off, but they did survive.

Jaguar had just bought off Jackie Stewart and inherited a team that had finished 4th in the 1999 WCC against the odds. Star driver Barrichello had been replaced by WDC bridesmaid Eddie Irvine, who became one of Ford's best-paid employees. Ultimately the technical department was in a shambles and the season was a disaster. A 2001 attempt to hire Newey had to wait a few years and it was only then under Red Bull ownership the team turned into the powerhouse they are today.

2000 Irvine/Herbert
2001 Irvine/de la Rosa
2002 Irvine/de la Rosa
2003 Webber/Pizzonia
2004 Webber/Klien
2005 Coulthard/Klien (as Red Bull)
2006 Coulthard/Klien
2007 Coulthard/Webber
2008 Coulthard/Webber
2009 Vettel/Webber
2010 Vettel/Webber
2011 Vettel/Webber
2012 Vettel/Webber

WDC's: 2010, 2011
WDC 2nd's: 2009
WDC 3rd's: 2010, 2011

WCC's: 2010, 2011
WCC 2nd's: 2009

Position today: Red Bull is a huge powerhouse that has risen to dominate F1 car technology. The promotion of Sebastian Vettel and the 2009 clean slate in regulations saw Red Bull emerge as a top team and they show no sign of backing off just yet.

Verdict: Quite a bit better, but they still went into the 2000 season as Jaguar being considered as top four. They weren't.

Williams came from a dominant era turned sour when Renault stopped delivering factory engines and failing to get on top of the grooved tyres as well. Having agreed a long-term deal with BMW, it looked set to be a trying year as they were under no illusions about immediate victories. Ralf Schumacher had just signed a monstrous contract with the team, whilst rookie Jenson Button took to the scene, being a choice that shocked the entire industry. That was after Olivier Panis had honoured his agreement to join McLaren as 3rd driver. Juan Pablo Montoya was loaned out to Ganassi for another year.

2000 Schumacher/Button
2001 Schumacher/Montoya
2002 Schumacher/Montoya
2003 Schumacher/Montoya
2004 Schumacher/Montoya
2005 Webber/Heidfeld
2006 Webber/Rosberg
2007 Rosberg/Wurz
2008 Rosberg/Nakajima
2009 Rosberg/Nakajima
2010 Barrichello/Hülkenberg
2011 Barrichello/Maldonado
2012 Maldonado/Senna

WDC 3rd: 2002, 2003
WCC 2nd: 2002, 2003
WCC 3rd: 2000, 2001

Today: Williams have had several famous relatives of World Champions drive for them, but show no sign of returning to the glory days of yesterday. No Hill/Villeneuve effect here... In spite of Williams being unable to head hunt drivers for talent only, the resource increase thanks to PDVSA's sponsorship of Maldonado has helped the team become quick again and even won a race this season, only to have a pitlane fire afterwards.

Verdict: Being one of only three teams to survive with the same ownership and name since 2000, Williams are no longer the powerhouse they were. Red Bull now have the Newey they had in the 1990's and their finances mean they have to rely on pay drivers. Maldonado is very fast considering this tag, but Williams are nowhere near the commercial position they still had in 2000.

Benetton had suffered a decline in epic proportions of the performances of the sky blue cars in the late 90's. The Schumacher era was well and truly gone, but thanks to Renault's purchase of the team, the return of Flavio Briatore and the presence of perceived star Fisichella optimism remained. It was during this time Alonso got tied to the team. Shrewd move. The Schumacher era's reprisal was a few years forward, but it did eventually happen. The 2000 season was a hard slog, but Fisichella shone to take three early podiums, then couldn't even get a point in the second half of the season. Development of the car was in tatters for the 3rd year running. Fisichella therefore missed out on what had seemed to be a likely top 5 WDC position.

2000 Fisichella/Wurz
2001 Fisichella/Button
2002 Button/Trulli (as Renault)
2003 Alonso/Trulli
2004 Alonso/Trulli
2005 Alonso/Fisichella
2006 Alonso/Fisichella
2007 Kovalainen/Fisichella
2008 Alonso/Piquet
2009 Alonso/Piquet
2010 Kubica/Petrov
2011 Heidfeld/Petrov
2012 Räikkönen/Grosjean (as Lotus)

WDC: 2005, 2006

WCC: 2005, 2006
WCC 3rd's: 2004, 2007

Today: Lotus have enjoyed a recent upturn in performances. Alonso's championship glories are distant memories in the horizon, but the current car appears to be in such a shape that a Grand Prix victory is certainly within grasp if the team manage to extract the its (the car) full potential. The finances are good enough to pay Kimi Räikkönen's salary at least, but beating Ferrari and McLaren in this year's WCC would still be seen as a huge surprise.

Verdict: The team are in a much stronger position these days than 12 years ago. But it's been a severe peak-and-valley journey. Talent spotting Alonso certainly led to those highs. He is not coming back, so they need someone to take that baton in the future.

Sauber had snapped up Mika Salo following his stunning performances with Ferrari at the high-speed circuits, whilst substituting for Schumacher. Without Salo, Ferrari wouldn't have won the WCC that year, but his performances for Sauber weren't good enough for Peter Sauber, who replaced him with a certain young Finn named Kimi one year afterwards. With Diniz not doing well either, Sauber adopted a new philosophy to nurture young talent, something they do even today post-BMW ownership.

2000 Salo/Diniz
2001 Heidfeld/Räikkönen
2002 Heidfeld/Massa
2003 Heidfeld/Frentzen
2004 Fisichella/Massa
2005 Massa/Villeneuve
2006 Heidfeld/Villeneuve (as BMW Sauber)
2007 Heidfeld/Kubica
2008 Heidfeld/Kubica
2009 Heidfeld/Kubica
2010 Kobayashi/de la Rosa (as Sauber)
2011 Kobayashi/Pérez
2012 Kobayashi/Pérez

WCC 2nd: 2007
WCC 3rd: 2008

Today Sauber are a solid midfield outfit much like the old days, but this time much closer to the front, and can therefore upset the applecart somewhat and deliver podiums. They are nowhere near Kubica's long shot at the 2008 championship under BMW ownership, but can still do a good enough job that an established top driver would help them challenge for race wins even under normal conditions at certain tracks.

Verdict: Future ownership is a bit of a question mark, they have no sugar daddy and Kaltenborn is surely no billionare in her own right? But yeah they are doing much better than in 2000, running closer to the front. Championship positions may look similar, though.

Minardi had done a giant-killing 1999 season, fending off BAR to take the 10th place in the WCC and gaining the FOM money. The fact they managed to beat Prost in the 2000 season helped the team survived a troubled winter that followed, as team owner Gabriele Rumi sold the ship to Paul Stoddart before passing away.

2000 Gené/Mazzacane
2001 Alonso/Marques
2002 Webber/Yoong
2003 Wilson/Verstappen
2004 Bruni/Baumgartner
2005 Albers/Friesacher
2006 Liuzzi/Speed (as Toro Rosso)
2007 Liuzzi/Speed
2008 Vettel/Bourdais
2009 Buemi/Bourdais
2010 Buemi/Alguersuari
2011 Buemi/Alguersuari
2012 Ricciardo/Vergne

Today Toro Rosso, owned by Red Bull, are a serious Formula 1 team that can collect points without half the field falling off. That and the financial security has certainly helped the team lately to get a reputation as a solid force. Unfortunately for them the driver policy is 100 % dictated by Helmut Marko, who really should know better than firing drivers mid-season if they aren't like Vettel. Post-Vettel the drivers coming through have been deemed not good enough for RBR as Webber continues to do well there. Instead of having patience with someone like Alguersuari, Marko wrestles in a new guy without enough experience and with so little testing, Toro Rosso can't therefore really challenge the top 8 as often as they'd liked. The organisation has seen great champions like Alonso and Vettel passing through, so F1 is better off with them.

Verdict Like night and day. Toro Rosso is a serious team capable of doing things now. Won a Grand Prix back in 2008 too.

BAR had had a nightmare 1999 season, in which much-lauded 1997 WDC Jacques Villeneuve didn't even pick up a single point! In the year 2000 it went much better, but the first podium was still elusive, whilst Villeneuve himself was tracked by McLaren and Benetton for moves there. A factory engine deal with Honda proved that British American Tobacco meant business, though.

2000 Villeneuve/Zonta
2001 Villeneuve/Panis
2002 Villeneuve/Panis
2003 Villeneuve/Button
2004 Button/Sato
2005 Button/Sato
2006 Button/Barrichello (as Honda)
2007 Button/Barrichello
2008 Button/Barrichello
2009 Button/Barrichello (as Brawn)
2010 Rosberg/Schumacher (as Mercedes)
2011 Rosberg/Schumacher
2012 Rosberg/Schumacher

WDC: 2009
WDC 3rd: 2004, 2009
WCC: 2009
WCC 2nd: 2004

Today, Mercedes has arrived as the prime owner since a few years back. Jenson Button had been the star driver for many seasons and won a championship for Brawn in 2009. That magic has yet to rub off on the silver cars, but at least Nico Rosberg managed to win the 2012 Chinese Grand Prix, and important occasion for Norbert Haug and the ownership. Schumacher and Brawn haven't been able to reach their previous heights, though.

Verdict: Being a firm factory team and challenging for Grand Prix wins means that the team is in a better position these days.

Prost and Arrows are no longer with us that took part in the 2000 season, Toyota came and went, whilst Caterham, Marussia and HRT are new franchises that all have changed their names since they entered two years ago.

[NoOg_sTaR]

Strong post.

[fourseven]

Copy paste for sure. There's no way TJ would bother knowing that much Ferrari history xox

[Buckets]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18795809

Interesting article from Webber. He sounds pretty confident he's actually in the title hunt this year (wonder what Seb thinks about that) and he plans to finish @ RBR.

[TJ]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6vwi8OR761qca2rlo2_1280.jpg

[TJ]

pic could be entitled.. watching my title chances burn away thanks to jenson

[TJ]

and pastor, fuck pastor!

[Buckets]

The only time any time soon he'll have #1 on him.

[fourseven]

http://i.imgur.com/r9sPs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vb5ys.jpg

[Wrexter]

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[Jazza]

Saw that on the F1 channel, they're awesome!

[bjohnson]

I LOL'ed at "Just a few things the teams are being asked to try out to make it a bit more competitive for next season".

I'd be happy to see either Perez or Kamui in Massa's seat.

I rate Di Resta higher than either of the Sauber drivers though, but I figured he was all but confirmed to take over Schumacher's seat when he inevitably retires in the next season or two.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18795809

Interesting article from Webber. He sounds pretty confident he's actually in the title hunt this year (wonder what Seb thinks about that) and he plans to finish @ RBR.

I don't see why not, although it's a little bit premature. There is plenty of racing left to do and the only reason he has 16 points on Vettel is because his car failed after walking almost the entire Valencia GP.

If he manages to win he will have earned it for sure!

I think whatever happens in the WDC, It's going to take a miracle for RBR to not win the constructors.

[V70R]

Copy paste for sure. There's no way TJ would bother knowing that much Ferrari history xox
Shit, for a minute I thought Joe had hacked in to TJ's account.

[sdwz180]

Real or fake? Not sure if repost.

http://i45.tinypic.com/v7tj9.jpg

[POH73]

^^ Real I believe, it was doing the rounds earlier this year.

[Kaido]

who is the sponsor?

[Alt_F4]

who is the sponsor?
I'm going with Petroleos de Venezuela

[Brockas]

Yup, would be PDVSA if it's legit.

[TJ]

I'm going with Petroleos de Venezuela

Hahhahahaha

[Autopilot]

https://p.twimg.com/AxIg1reCIAElNAQ.jpg

http://wtf1.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/maldonadowheel.jpg
Fuck you! Pasta marinara

http://wtf1.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/lewismud.jpg

http://www.f1aldia.com/photos/blogs/000/99/001_small.jpg

[Adr3naL1N]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/603392_3561087228402_1401691273_n.jpg

[muniom]

http://i.imgur.com/rbBEw.jpg

Maldonado overtaking a toll booth:
http://i.imgur.com/A1Ekj.gif

[Adr3naL1N]

wtf is this shit coming out? looks like f1 crossed with mario kart :S

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Tiv2diNSGjw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[fourseven]

Yep, pathetic. Would be nice to get a proper sim.

[mr m00se]

Not sure if this has been posted
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jBbPGQ3Bpug" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Adr3naL1N]

think it was posted a while ago, so amazing, crazy how they cannot see their front wing/front end at all. Shows how much skill is really required.

[Autopilot]

Shows how much skill is really required.

Yep Maldanado knows exactly where to put his car. Don't forget that this particular cameras fov is narrower then the human eyes' and that once in the car you'd have a greater sense of situational awareness. Plus like all cars that you drive for a while you do develop a sixth sense as to where the wheels are and the physical attributes of the car. Saying that though visibly could be better.

[TheChad]

Don't forget that this particular cameras fov is narrower then the human eyes

Standing still, yes, moving fast no.
The way our eyes/brain work is (very) basically the faster you are going the more focused your processable field of vision is. once you are above ~100km/h your "vision" is actually quite narrow. Not that there isnt images and instead black, but all you can actually process is much narrower when hitting f1 speeds.

that is a super basic explanation, i hope you understand what i am trying to say as i have had some beers.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004269890400272X

[Riggs]

On a track at speed, you use your peripheral vision more than anything else. You are looking through a corner because thats where you want to go. Peripheral vision is picking up your markers and apexes. If someone is next to you and they are just in your peripheral, you will notice them. On the bike I have brushed elbows with others poking up the inside, you see them before you hear and feel them.

[Tocchi]

or we could wait for Michael (Kaido) to give us some input, as he has driven an old (williams?) in europe a year or so ago :)

[fourseven]

Wasn't it Damon Hill's Arrows?

[Tocchi]

could of been, it was a while ago so the memory is a tad hazy

[TJ]

Right now - air asia are doing return flights to KL in march next year for cheap as fuck (around 340 return with luggage) You need to book each flight seperately, a return trip sets them at 194 each.

Adrenalin and I are in for the F1

22-24 March.

Get onboard for a cheap F1 weekend!

[TheChad]

are tickets on sale for the GP yet?

Brockas Mum able to hook something up with tickets+ accommodation then?

Might bash her an email if i can talk a mate or mrs into joining me.



just checked, answer my own question, NOPE tickets aren't on sale yet.
Malaysia would be cool!

[Voot]

Right now - air asia are doing return flights to KL in march next year for cheap as fuck (around 340 return with luggage) You need to book each flight seperately, a return trip sets them at 194 each.

Adrenalin and I are in for the F1

22-24 March.

Get onboard for a cheap F1 weekend!

Link? Site used?

EDIT: airasia.com is around 194.00 each way

[fourseven]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4426933/Nicole-Scherzinger-furious-after-Lewis-Hamilton-has-hotel-party-with-ten-girls.html

I lol'd.

[Brockas]

are tickets on sale for the GP yet?

Brockas Mum able to hook something up with tickets+ accommodation then?
Just purchase the flights, and if we all agree on where to sit, and there are 8 of us, we'll get a discount and my mum can sort us cheap accommodation.

Very tempted. Will look into it all tomorrow.

[Lonewolf]

surely he can do better than those 2?

[Brockas]

surely he can do better than those 2?
Of course he can. They're probably the girls his friend brought back, and if there were 10 girls I bet there were 10+ guys as well.

He probably assumed the two girls are SO ugly that nobody would assume that he'd fuck any of them. Typical media beat-up over nothing!

Ps. Am I the only one who thinks Nicole looks REALLY old already? Lewis needs to bail, in 10 years she'll look like Margeret Thatcher.

[Kaido]

or we could wait for Michael (Kaido) to give us some input, as he has driven an old (williams?) in europe a year or so ago :)

as fourseven said was Damon Hill's Arrows.
I only did 5 laps and there was i think 4-5 F3 on track at the time. As mention above you are only really looking for your braking markers and through the corner. There wasn't anything else on track going fast enough to over take me, and when i pulled up to the F3 they all pulled off line and let me past. Its amazing how quickly you adapted to speed and it kind of seems normal again i wasn't going F1 fast as i was just enjoying the experience.

going through curva grande (long right handed after 1st S) at 180km/hr + was amazing i was just focusing on where i wanted the car to go, i had no idea at what speed i was doing (only check after when watching the footage)


Can't wait to do it all again very soon :D finger cross i might be doing at Adria International Raceway in September
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Adria_Circuit.svg/440px-Adria_Circuit.svg.png

[fourseven]

Just purchase the flights, and if we all agree on where to sit, and there are 8 of us, we'll get a discount and my mum can sort us cheap accommodation.

Very tempted. Will look into it all tomorrow.

Keen.

[Riggs]

He probably assumed the two girls are SO ugly that nobody would assume that he'd fuck any of them. Typical media beat-up over nothing!


"You pingpingpingping, you fucked some slut didn't you? Why did you fuck them?"

'No, why would I fuck them? They are fucking horrid, look at them!'

"Because you are a guy and a guy will fuck anything when some ugly slut is rubbing their fat arse against you!"

'LOL ok, for the record if I was going to fuck someone they would have to be way hotter than you to make it worth while'

Now duck for the can of Rexona that suddenly fly's across the room and migrate to your bed (Couch) for the night.

[Tocchi]

^^ LOL... but seriously JP likes this

[JME]

That link to 'The Sun' wins troll of the year. How anyone can actually see anything beyond fiction in those 'stories' astounds me everytime.

[TJ]

Just purchase the flights, and if we all agree on where to sit, and there are 8 of us, we'll get a discount and my mum can sort us cheap accommodation.

Very tempted. Will look into it all tomorrow.

We booked the hotel at the airport. For 2 nights, without discounts it was 156 bucks each - I thought that was fine.

Awesome to see people jump onto this. Definitely keen for ticket group buy.

I would love to do the following (pending)

- Fri pit pass

-Sat/Sun grandstand.

[POH73]

Keen also. What flight dates are you looking at, up on Thursday returning Monday?

[TJ]

Read above.

[Adr3naL1N]

alll booked! pumped on this one, another GP to add to my list. Done melbs and singapore (doing singpaore for 3rd year straight this year) So next year can add malaysia to the list. Also keen to do monaco.

Voot: As Tj stated you need to book ONE WAY. Not return, so you have to make two bookings Perth - KL on one ($194) then book another one way ticket KL to perth ($116).

We booked a triple share at Pan Pacific at the airport for me TJ and my housemate worked out $128 each for 2 nights, Hotel is 5 star.

[POH73]

Read above.

Gotcha, my scrolling was too fast!
Flights booked, up on Thursday to catch Fri practice and returning Sunday.

[Brockas]

"You pingpingpingping, you fucked some slut didn't you? Why did you fuck them?"

'No, why would I fuck them? They are fucking horrid, look at them!'

"Because you are a guy and a guy will fuck anything when some ugly slut is rubbing their fat arse against you!"

'LOL ok, for the record if I was going to fuck someone they would have to be way hotter than you to make it worth while'

Now duck for the can of Rexona that suddenly fly's across the room and migrate to your bed (Couch) for the night.
That's a man talking from experience right there!

[JME]

No that would require said man to leave the house outside of work hours, which clearly Riggs does not.

[jaybee]

KL flights booked for me and Sandee aswell! awesomeeeee.

[Gleeso]

What channel/site do most of you guys use to watch the F1? Also, I've got the dates but no times, what time does it start?

Thanks.

[Adr3naL1N]

one hd obviously. Only way can get the racing in full HD

but i also have a subscription to flashsportstreams.tv to watch the practise session and for when one hd go to an ad break every 3 laps. they have the sky f1 channel.


Well seems like there is going to be a heap of antilaggers over there in KL now.

[masTers]

Has the 2013 schedule been finalized yet?

Did Singapore get renewed for next year?

[jaybee]

www.vipbox.tv

[TJ]

Has the 2013 schedule been finalized yet?

Did Singapore get renewed for next year?

Singas is a done deal till 2015

In other news

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/562936_10151100636311944_943806632_n.jpg

Kimi hat :D

[doriae86]

Kl. in pending wife

[TJ]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R-W85cnXkG8/UAlue-w4-zI/AAAAAAAAec0/RnUyQTyzz98/s1600/Hockenheim,+Germany,+Friday+20+July+2012+-+McLaren+MP4-27+steering+wheel+for+Lewis+Hamilton.jpg

[Adr3naL1N]

watched the end of p2 just in time to schuis spin

[fourseven]

Webber with a 5 place grid drop. RBR broke curfew to identify an issue, then replaced his gearbox.

Or sabotaged his car for Vettel to win ;)

[POH73]

I was initially spitting chips however would much prefer a penalty than a failure - still sucks though.

Damn you Helmut Marko. Damn Youuuuuu :)

[fourseven]

Wow, the RB8 looks very sloppy here!

[Adr3naL1N]

ricciardo got vergne again, didnt make it passed 3 again :) vergne can eat a dick

[fourseven]

When everyone is coming off the track, I think it's a pretty bloody good sign that it's time to restart qualifying! What a waste of time this is.

[Joe]

Worst qualifying of the year so far.. total waste of time.

With the crap that Charlie Whiting copped for red flagging Silverstone quali, he's done the opposite here and let it go when it clearly should be stopped.

[POH73]

Late resurgance by RBR however Alonso still clear. 2 germans in the press conf, the Deutschlanders will be loving it.

[Adr3naL1N]

button pips lewis!

[Buckets]

Button might have just edged Lewis but it means nothing... McLaren are still not performing. Was it just me or was "Perfect Seb" nursing a slightly sandy vagina after Mark held him up a bit ?

[esky]

Mclaren fail Lewis again. Why not pit for new wets when everyone else was.

[POH73]

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6476/alowz.jpg

[Voot]

^ Not bad at all

[POH73]

This was on twitter a short time ago, it would appear a big announcement is nigh :eek:
I'm not sure exactly what the implication is but are they presuming it's traction control? Lower torque value to limit wheelspin in lower gears with full torque available at the same rpm in higher gears?
FYI Article 5.5.3 states: The maximum accelerator pedal travel position must correspond to an engine torque demand equal to or greater than the maximum engine torque at the measured engine speed.

https://p.twimg.com/AyZNXsiCEAAqdHR.jpg:large

https://twitter.com/F1Kate/status/226953900710825984/photo/1/large

[TJ]

WOAH.

[Lonewolf]

Edit: just reread the regulation.

Wow, Redbull caught with pants down?

[fourseven]

LOL RBR cheating again? What a surprise. It's basically illegal off throttle blowing of the diffuser. Without it last year RBR would've been nowhere.

I hope they get raped repeatedly.

[Autopilot]

If this is legit, that is huge.

[fourseven]

It is legit. Whiting made comment 5 minutes ago, Horner denies knowing anything.

I doubt anything will come of it as the result after qualifying has been declared. This was obviously discovered after parc fermé somehow, so not sure what the FIA can do.

Edit: I'm wrong. From Adam Cooper:


The stewards are now considering the matter, who have the power to cancel the qualifying times of both drivers.

[Bomber]

Fernando shoe in for WDC now?

[POH73]

Autosport forums are going nuts right now, wanting RBR to be stripped of all WDC & WCC points (probably back to 2009), SV & MW to be banned for life, Christian Horner to be crucified and Newey to be put in jail. Yup, parents really need to watch what their kids are posting on the internet nowadays Lol

This seems to be the best explanation of the irregularity that I've come across so far:

@andrewbensonf1
Basically, accusation is throttles are more open than should be for given torque, so more air blowing thru exhausts, so more downforce

Plenty of humorous comments too:

This deserves a race ban or at least start from the back of the grid. I seriously hope that Lewis gets excluded from the race for this!

Lol

[fourseven]

Yeah Autosport is full of comments blaming Lewis for everyone else's fuckups as a joke. Typical British fuckwits.

Drivers won't lose points unfortunately, would be nice though lol!

[satch]

Fucking Lewis he must of snuck in and altered the maps! Ban him!

[Voot]

Adjusting the torque map to make it very similar to a traction control system. One of the race directives from this year was an engine map must use 100% of power.

Quoting Ted, Sky Sports pre race show

[Voot]

No further action, against redbull

[Brockas]

No further action!!!!

Go RBR! Newey at it again ;)

[magic1]

winning!

[fourseven]

Typical.

[TJ]

The stewards' decision basically says 'it would break the rules if we'd written them properly'

[sdwz180]

Ferrari International Assistance failed by the stewards.

[Brockas]

Yup, but they didn't, Newey recognized it, and exploited it.

That is why he is the best.

As Damon Hill said, if Newey was your accountant, you'd pay 1% tax.

[fourseven]

LOL they cheated. If it was any other team you'd be up in arms about it. Admit it ;)

[mjp]

Any of you guys using flashsportstreams getting really patchy streaming? Im getting like 10 seconds in no problems then it stops then starts again?

[POH73]

Wow, well there you go. I was expecting a start from pitlane at best. Woohoo!

[Brockas]

Any of you guys using flashsportstreams getting really patchy streaming? Im getting like 10 seconds in no problems then it stops then starts again?
Perfect for me. Was having issues before though.

LOL they cheated. If it was any other team you'd be up in arms about it. Admit it ;)
They did not break the regulations as they are written, therefore they didn't cheat. Simple really.

They will change the wording of the regulation to ensure what they are doing is illegal. No different to double diffuser etc

[Bomber]

LOL, Newey is worth every cent it would seem.

Advantages are taken not handed out - Metallica :cool:

[Buckets]

F1's about following the rules as they are written not the spirit of the rule. RBR have sailed close to the wind again and got away with it again.

Fuck the pingpingpingpings but good on them.

[Lonewolf]

LOL they cheated. If it was any other team you'd be up in arms about it. Admit it ;)

If it was any other team you'd applaud their ingenuity!

[POH73]

I think I've said it on here before but I applaud RBR for pushing the limits wherever possible for any advantage however minor it may seem. The way F1 has been dumbed down over the years is what has caused interpretive innovation and I think the moment they stop doing this is when they drop the ball.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the stewards may have a job offer waiting for Newey when he formally finishes his Designer career though - Adrian, do you mind running your eyes over this rulebook to see if it has any holes in it?

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[Wrexter]

FUCK YOU MASSAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Lonewolf]

lol!
surprised lewis didnt get out and stamp his feet.

p.s. time to retire felipe.

[fourseven]

LOLLLLL LEWISSSSS!

[ELUSIV]

Kimi...gigantic balls for the pass on DiResta!

[Wrexter]

there should of been a safety car, FIA the useless pingpingpingpings.

[magic1]

lewis............Bat & Ball

[n1ghth4wk]

Still managed to get back out and set lap best

[fourseven]

AVANTE FER AVANTE!

Vettel completed that move off track?

[Adr3naL1N]

do we think vettel will get a time penalty for that?

[TJ]

AVANTE FER AVANTE!

Vettel completed that move off track?

Coming from a Kimi supporter this is rich!

Good to see McLaren back on the pace.

Surely Vettel to get a penalty for the pass.

[Scaf]

Yes. No part of him was past Button, completely off the track, penalty for sure.

[redline07]

Alonso too good, surely a penalty for perfect seb.

[Buckets]

Bring back the biff ! Fuck telling that twat Vettel he's under investigation Jenson punch the pingpingpingping !

Good to see him with a bit of form back. I hope it's not a fluke.

Something is seriously wrong if Vettel doesn't get pinged for that move.

[doriae86]

Hopefully it is severe, to further consolodate MW's p2 in WDC

[r32pat]

Really not a fan of this post race interview on the podium shit!

[Voot]

Me either, but Vettel just lied about Jenson saying nothing about the pass, he asked him at the weigh in.

[r32pat]

Yeah that comment surprised me too. & I'm a Redbull supporter since it was Jag!!

[TJ]

https://p.twimg.com/AyZwyWqCEAA8ki_.jpg

Drivers parade this morning - what a cool pic!

[r32pat]

Chandok at the back as usual...

[Adr3naL1N]

hoping for at least a drive thru/20 sec or so penatly, will drop him to 5th or 6th i think? mainly to put abit more of a gap between him and webber in 2nd and 3rd. Webber had an absolute shitter. He said before the weekend he doesnt like hockenheim. He got beaten by cars that started well down below him. Saubers etc.

Baird was talking about massa at the end their if anyone say seem kinda frustrated with him. First time in a while ive heard them say something smart. Talking about how masa lost his front wing before the first corner. It is about time ferrari fucked him off for perez or di resta. His holding ferrar back. They could easily take the WCC away f they had a decent support dirver for Alonso. He is winning races and massa cant even get in the points! In a car the clearly should be getting well inside the top 10!!

[POH73]

Probably the dullest race we've seen for a bit, the most exciting bits for me included Hamilton. First saying that it's time to retire then setting the fastest lap Lol. Then unlapping himself and subsequently retiring after that happened.

Vettel will surely get at least a position drop for that and laughing when he said "Jenson never mentioned it" Hahaha, ya lying prick!

Not sure what happened to MW, pace wasn't terrible I just don't think he was in the groove.

Oh well, roll on Budapest next weekend!

[r32pat]

Im with you Adr3nal1n, Hopeing for a bigger gap for Webber

[Voot]

No drivers briefing?

[TheChad]

Lauda on the podium was the briefing... Did the same thig with jacky Stewart at silverstone

[fourseven]

Button's second pitstop was a new world record with a stationary time of 2.31 seconds.

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396110_385439004856483_1203859627_n.jpg

Just a little bit off track LOL.

[Voot]

Surely that wont last long

[Adr3naL1N]

ones coverage just gets worse and worse. No post race stuff. Bulk ads...felt like their was more then usual. Im over it.

wish foxtel could have access to the 24hr Sky F1 HD channel. Would happily pay for it.

[Buckets]

EPLsite.com for free (but average quality) pre & post race coverage from Sky F1 then I usually stay on to watch the race if I'm onsite.

[r32pat]

Yeah i watch a live Sky sports F1 stream online. Really fucking hate both Aussie comentators and that they think motorsport can be put on pause for a truckload of stupid ad breaks!!

[fourseven]

20 second penalty for Vettel. Back to 5th place!

[Brockas]

Pathetic penalty. 3rd would have been fair.

He did go off track, but if he hadn't button would have nailed him IMO. He avoided an accident, got penalized for it. GAY.

[fourseven]

Karma xox

[POH73]

Webber presses the LIKE button :)

I think the issue here is all the runoff areas, replace tarmac with grass or gravel and we wouldn't see this stuff happen at all. He went off track because it was easy to do and there were no immediate repercussions. Until now....

[TJ]

Pathetic penalty. 3rd would have been fair.

He did go off track, but if he hadn't button would have nailed him IMO. He avoided an accident, got penalized for it. GAY.

There is no available penalty that allows them to swap places back.

20 second time addition
30 second time addition
Removal from results

Should of given the spot back up then got him next lap/later in the lap. He didnt even try to make an effort to stay on track. And PLENTY of cars went through there side by side all race.

[magic1]

Pathetic penalty. 3rd would have been fair.

He did go off track, but if he hadn't button would have nailed him IMO. He avoided an accident, got penalized for it. GAY.

as TJ said, Should of given the spot back up.

Redbull could have also been a bit smarter in qualifying too. by allowing vettel out qualify Webber was silly

webber 2nd to 7th
or
webber 3rd to 8th

because of gearbox.

[Alt_F4]

Maybe Seb was worried Lewis was going to hit him, like when Lewis drove into Pastor















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[iluv2moan]

Shit penalty for Vettel... FIA/stewards should have made an immediate descision and told vettel to yield his position - just like ever other instance where someone cuts a corner or cuts a chicane to get an advantage.

Although it wasnt the same corner, Alonso was running wide off the track basically every lap gaining what can only be an advantage (or else he wouldnt have been doing it) yet didnt get any penalised

[TJ]

Rules state anything happening in the last 5 laps is to be deferred to post race.

Ill reference an example here.

Lewis Hamilton vs Kimi, Spa, 2008.

In the greasy (was just beginning to rain) conditions Lewis slid wide, ran off the track, back off and gave the position back, and was still penalised after the race.

Vettel just buried his foot and took off.

[r32pat]

Martin Brundle said it should have been a drive through penalty. But the FIA very very rarely would give one of those out in the last 5 laps of a race.

[magic1]

Martin Brundle said it should have been a drive through penalty. But the FIA very very rarely would give one of those out in the last 5 laps of a race.

you get F1 in bunno?

[TJ]

Martin Brundle said it should have been a drive through penalty. But the FIA very very rarely would give one of those out in the last 5 laps of a race.

Thats because the rules say last 5 laps = deferred to post race.

[fourseven]

It was a drive through penalty. It equates to 20 seconds post race as TJ says.

iluv2moan, show me where Alonso had more than 2 wheels off the track, or gained a place off track. Rumble strips are declared part of the track, and I only remember 2 or 3 times where Alonso looked to have purposely put a wheel or 2 off track while he was 2+ seconds in front.

Not even close to the Vettel situation.

[V70R]

ones coverage just gets worse and worse. No post race stuff. Bulk ads...felt like their was more then usual. Im over it.

wish foxtel could have access to the 24hr Sky F1 HD channel. Would happily pay for it.

Agreed!
I have been downloading SKY's pre race and qually and watching it later for quite some time. Sure I'm not watching it live but at least there are no ads.

[V70R]

Shit penalty for Vettel... FIA/stewards should have made an immediate descision and told vettel to yield his position - just like ever other instance where someone cuts a corner or cuts a chicane to get an advantage.

Although it wasnt the same corner, Alonso was running wide off the track basically every lap gaining what can only be an advantage (or else he wouldnt have been doing it) yet didnt get any penalised
You can't pass another driver outside the track. Quite simple really.

[Jazza]

Exactly. If you didn't want to crash take your foot off the gas. Going off track he was able to straighten the car up quicker for better traction and just pass outside the track, there was never any doubt in that being a penalty and it was stupid because he just could of taken him later on. Listening to Christan Horner after the race was like listening to an old person complain, dear goddddddd that was pathetic! He got nailed by the sky presenters and back peddled which was pretty funny though.

[Brockas]

There is no available penalty that allows them to swap places back.

20 second time addition
30 second time addition
Removal from results

Should of given the spot back up then got him next lap/later in the lap. He didnt even try to make an effort to stay on track. And PLENTY of cars went through there side by side all race.

A 5 second penalty was available to the stewards.


as TJ said, Should of given the spot back up.

Redbull could have also been a bit smarter in qualifying too. by allowing vettel out qualify Webber was silly

webber 2nd to 7th
or
webber 3rd to 8th

because of gearbox.
At that pace they have no idea if they're going to get pole or not. No chance Vettel would back off and sacrifice the chance of pole to help Mark gain 1 spot.

[TJ]

5 seconds? You sure? Ive not heard of that before (not having a go, interested)

[Brockas]

That's what Martin Brundle said on the Sky coverage post-race show. He said a 5 second penalty was an option.

IMO, that would have been a harsh, but probably fair penalty.

20 seconds is just ridiculous.

[esky]

20 seconds is the same as drive through, had the race been longer, or he had done it earlier in the race, that's what he would have got anyway.

[TJ]

It is, but the standard for gaining a position off track is a drive through, which is averaged at 20 seconds.

He isnt the first, or last to cop it.

I mean Lewis got one at Spa 08, and he even made an effort to give Kimi the spot back!

[POH73]

I heard the same re: 5 secs from Brundle however I don't believe that to be a suitable penalty at all. That would be about the same amount of time lost as if he let JB back in front, he or the team could've reversed the position however they didn't so copped the proper penalty.

Imagine some of the wild overtakes we'd see on the final few laps if the only penalty was the position is surrendered?

Harsh but fair IMO

[MGR]

From the 2012 F1 Sporting Regulations


16.3 The stewards may impose any one of the penalties below on any driver involved in an Incident:

a) A drive‐through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re‐join the race without
stopping.
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least
ten seconds and then re‐join the race.

If either of the two penalties above are imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a
race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 20 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time
of the driver concerned in the case of a) above and 30 seconds in the case of b).

c) A time penalty.
d) A reprimand.
If any of the four penalties above are imposed they shall not be subject to appeal.
e) A drop of any number of grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
f) Exclusion from the results.
g) Suspension from the driver’s next Event.

If it had occurred before the last five laps then a drive through penalty would've been imposed. The post race penalty (for incidents occurring in the last five laps) must be similar to the cost of a drive-through.

[TJ]

Thanks mark.

[Brockas]

20 seconds is the same as drive through, had the race been longer, or he had done it earlier in the race, that's what he would have got anyway.
Rubbish.

If it happened earlier in the race he would have been advised that the stewards were looking into it, told by the stewards he was in the wrong, and directed to give the place back to Jensen.

This has always happened when someone has overtaken by missing a chicane or something similar.




From the 2012 F1 Sporting Regulations

If it had occurred before the last five laps then a drive through penalty would've been imposed. The post race penalty (for incidents occurring in the last five laps) must be similar to the cost of a drive-through.

Indeed. That (unfortunately) is why he was penalised 20 seconds. I think that regulation is rubbish, but that's just my opinion.

Doesn't seem consistent with what would happen if the same offence occurred earlier in the race.

[Kaido]

Rubbish.

If it happened earlier in the race he would have been advised that the stewards were looking into it, told by the stewards he was in the wrong, and directed to give the place back to Jensen.

This has always happened when someone has overtaken by missing a chicane or something similar.


so if RBR wasn't doing there job they should have inform Vettle to give the place back asap! he was clearly fastest than button and could have possibly repast him without the chance of a penatly

[Sebdullah]

the stewards didn't inform red bull that Vettle needs to give the position back (seeing as it was a bit of a grey area), so red bull couldn't inform Vettle... & I'm pretty sure it was also decided that they would look into it post race

[Kaido]

the stewards didn't inform red bull that Vettle needs to give the position back (seeing as it was a bit of a grey area), so red bull couldn't inform Vettle... & I'm pretty sure it was also decided that they would look into it post race

yes but you would have to be pretty naive to think Vettle wasn't going to be given a penalty. It was a poor move by Vettle then a poor call by RBR not to tell him to give the place back

[V70R]

As MGR clearly mentioned above.


From the 2012 F1 Sporting Regulations


16.3 The stewards may impose any one of the penalties below on any driver involved in an Incident:

a) A drive‐through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re‐join the race without
stopping.
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least
ten seconds and then re‐join the race.

If either of the two penalties above are imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a
race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 20 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time
of the driver concerned in the case of a) above and 30 seconds in the case of b).

c) A time penalty.
d) A reprimand.
If any of the four penalties above are imposed they shall not be subject to appeal.
e) A drop of any number of grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
f) Exclusion from the results.
g) Suspension from the driver’s next Event.

If it had occurred before the last five laps then a drive through penalty would've been imposed. The post race penalty (for incidents occurring in the last five laps) must be similar to the cost of a drive-through.

No iffs or buts.

[DISTRBD]

the stewards didn't inform red bull that Vettle needs to give the position back (seeing as it was a bit of a grey area), so red bull couldn't inform Vettle... & I'm pretty sure it was also decided that they would look into it post race

I'm sure they know how it works with out having to be told :P

[fourseven]

Stewards informing a team to give back a position isn't a requirement. They may do it because it's the "right" thing to do but they are also well within their right to say nothing and just apply a penalty.

This notion of advising anyone to give back a position is bollocks. Why have telemetry, a pit wall, race engineer, team director and live video if you need the stewards to tell you what to do?

[magic1]

ethically he should of given the spot back, he knew what he was doing.

and post race Button having a polite word with him, then up on stage 'i have not had any words with button yet'.

him and lewis are the bottom of the pile, how bout behaving like 'gentlemen'

[MGR]

Rubbish.

If it happened earlier in the race he would have been advised that the stewards were looking into it, told by the stewards he was in the wrong, and directed to give the place back to Jensen.

This has always happened when someone has overtaken by missing a chicane or something similar.

Indeed. That (unfortunately) is why he was penalised 20 seconds. I think that regulation is rubbish, but that's just my opinion.

Doesn't seem consistent with what would happen if the same offence occurred earlier in the race.

The sporting regulations regarding driving standards are reasonably simple.


20) DRIVING

20.1 The driver must drive the car alone and unaided.

20.2 Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt the white lines defining the
track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.

A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the
track.

Should a car leave the track the driver may rejoin, however, this may only be done when it is
safe to do so and without gaining any advantage.

A driver may not deliberately leave the track without justifiable reason.

20.3 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving
back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off‐line, should leave at least
one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.

20.4 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the
edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

20.5 As soon as a car is caught by another car which is about to lap it during the race the driver
must allow the faster driver past at the first available opportunity. If the driver who has been
caught does not allow the faster driver past, waved blue flags will be shown to indicate that he
must allow the following driver to overtake.

There's no doubting the fact he left the racing circuit, but I think the two points underlined are where Vettel's argument falls over. He's gained an obvious advantage by leaving the track and had no justifiable reason to do so.

Those occasions where drivers have been requested by stewards to readdress positions gained on-track are usually because the driver had a justifiable reason to leave the circuit (avoiding accidents etc). In a lot of cases the situation is complicated because there are many parties involved.

I agree that if RBR had immediately advised Vettel to readdress then he wouldn't have been penalised. But they didn't and in terms of breaching sporting regulation 20.2 he ticked every box.

Given the clear breach I'm a little surprised RBR didn't ask Vettel to readdress the situation. Perhaps they felt they were 'owed' something after Lewis unlapped himself passing Vettel - in their mind hindering Vettel's overall race performance.

[Jazza]

That was pretty stupid from Vettel to not think the camera in his face was filming post race when Button asked him about the move then say he hadn't mentioned it on the podium.
In his defense though if they all acted like gentlemen like Button (Thanks to the fans, I don't want to comment on the incident) it would be way more boring.
P.S. How's your windscreen wipers going Tris?

[Adr3naL1N]

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[TJ]

ethically he should of given the spot back, he knew what he was doing.

and post race Button having a polite word with him, then up on stage 'i have not had any words with button yet'.

him and lewis are the bottom of the pile, how bout behaving like 'gentlemen'

Every driver is a dog

Fernando aka Ill blackmail Ron Dennis

Michael.. lets not start

Jenson who dogged Williams twice on contracts

Massa... well Massa is too useless to be a prick

[fourseven]

Fernando allegedly tried to blackmail Ron :p

I'll never forget Mosley's quote after Bernie talked Mosley out of banning McLaren for 2 years instead imposing the $100m fine. "$5 million for the offence and $95 million for Ron being a twat"

[r32pat]

you get F1 in bunno?
Yep and car trailers too!! :P

[V70R]

Every driver is a dog

Fernando aka Ill blackmail Ron Dennis

Michael.. lets not start

Jenson who dogged Williams twice on contracts

Massa... well Massa is too useless to be a prick

Lewis.. who cried and wanted to end the race because he got a flat tyre in the opening lap.. xo

[TJ]

Yes, and if you look back at Di Resta Silverstone, Verge Valencia and his follow up comments, it was because the car had a damaged diffuser and floor. Even the data they got from running is useless.

[TJ]

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Incredible - I need it slow mo just to see how it went down

[Brockas]

and post race Button having a polite word with him, then up on stage 'i have not had any words with button yet'.

him and lewis are the bottom of the pile, how bout behaving like 'gentlemen'
LOL @ people calling Vettel a dog because of this... yet not actually repeating what he said.


Button told him "your overtake on me has gone to the stewards"
Vettel later then said "Jensen has not complained to me"

Which he hadn't...

[esky]

He's not a dog, but he was flat out lying.

[TJ]

LOL @ people calling Vettel a dog because of this... yet not actually repeating what he said.


Button told him "your overtake on me has gone to the stewards"
Vettel later then said "Jensen has not complained to me"

Which he hadn't...

And the rest of the convo ?

[V70R]

I think the biggest winner of the weekend was Jenson.
Not only did he get relegated up to second place - which he deserved, but as TJ pointed out, he also received one of the quickest pit stops this year.
Something Lewis will be spewing over.

[MGR]

Incredible - I need it slow mo just to see how it went down

3.4 seconds is a reasonable pitstop, but the Red Bull mechs look like bumbling fools compared to the Macca crew in that comparison video.

[TJ]

I think the biggest winner of the weekend was Jenson.
Not only did he get relegated up to second place - which he deserved, but as TJ pointed out, he also received one of the quickest pit stops this year.
Something Lewis will be spewing over.

Not really - his stops were

-5.8

-3.4

-4.3

Could not be any faster due to damage at rear of car.
He will be spewing because the car was good and he was the ONLY guy to get a puncture.

[POH73]

3.4 seconds is a reasonable pitstop, but the Red Bull mechs look like bumbling fools compared to the Macca crew in that comparison video.

Absolutely agree!
Maybe that was why Lewis wanted to retire earlier in the race, he just couldn't sit through the agony of another messed up pitstop! Lol

When he said retire, McLaren must've thought he said re-TYRE, fitted the new rubber and sent him on his way Hahahaha

[Brockas]

Question - Lewis retired the car... can he now change it's gearbox and engine without penalty?


I was under the impression they had to prove there was a terminal fault with the car which forced the retirement.

[Sebdullah]

pretty sure they do

[Kaido]

lol

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/552372_416083365095772_1926663339_n.jpg

[V70R]

Not really - his stops were

-5.8

-3.4

-4.3

Could not be any faster due to damage at rear of car.
He will be spewing because the car was good and he was the ONLY guy to get a puncture.

TJ clearly you forgotten Lewis' poor pit stops all season.

[TJ]

TJ clearly you forgotten Lewis' poor pit stops all season.

They set a 2.6 second one with him in Silverstone so he was already aware the improvements were coming.

As for the gearbox, easy - damaged floor = reduced heat protection = over heating box.

Engine does not apply to the free pass rule.

[satch]

lol

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/552372_416083365095772_1926663339_n.jpg

LOL he is clumsy as fuck, but then so are most of the fins I know.

[magic1]

who is it?

[POH73]

^^The now not so cool Iceman

[Autopilot]

Probably drunk.

[pgc]

http://www.ausmotive.com/2012/07/25/fia-expected-to-ban-red-bull-engine-map.html

[Kaido]

http://www.ausmotive.com/2012/07/25/fia-expected-to-ban-red-bull-engine-map.html

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101476

no surprise really...

[Voot]

Redbull sponsor 888 racing for 2013 with new VF commodore. Hopefully they bring some F1 inspired technology to the V8's. Although im sure they wont as they are just a sponsor for now, not a team like in F1.

[V70R]

http://www.ausmotive.com/2012/07/25/fia-expected-to-ban-red-bull-engine-map.html

It seems half the rule book has been written in response to Red Bull's / Adrian Newey's innovation.

[V70R]

Redbull sponsor 888 racing for 2013 with new VF commodore. Hopefully they bring some F1 inspired technology to the V8's. Although im sure they wont as they are just a sponsor for now, not a team like in F1.

Honda did it in the 80's / 90's by filtering their F1 technology into their cars. (NSX)
Although at the time, they were using 1.6L V8 turbo engines at 4bar of boost, it was Honda's NA VTEC technology that came as a result.
Toyota followed quickly until both makers suddenly pulled out a few years ago and decided to go green.

[Jazza]

A manufacturer putting technology it produces into its road cars like Ferrari have been doing for many years and the above examples is hardly the same as a sponsor providing technology to a different manufacturer and format of racing not to mention the stupidly strict rules on the v8 cars!

[Brockas]

LOL @ F1 slate... summed it up pretty much:



Please rest assured, the engine mapping has been brought to the attention of the FIA. If we come to the conclusion that this is innovative or non-homogeneous we will immediately deem it illegal under a new regulation that we will have to quickly invent before the next race.

[Lonewolf]

LOL @ F1 slate... summed it up pretty much:

Cheats

[Kaido]

LOL @ F1 slate... summed it up pretty much:

By having a greater variation in its engine mapping, Red Bull Racing was able to both minimise wheelspin and also pump more gases through its engines, therefore helping the aerodynamic benefits that the outfit still gets through the use of exhaust flow at the rear of the car.

Pretty sure they FIA ban the whole blown diffuser concept, RBR found a loop hole to get around it, don't see the problem with them banning this new attempt by RBR

[TJ]

LOL @ F1 slate... summed it up pretty much:

Except the regulation exists, albeit poorly.

[Jazza]

Hopefully it means they lose speed, tyre deg is worse and Webber starts beating Vettel again hahaha

[TJ]

http://www.speedhunters.com/2012/07/lotus-formula-1-factory-tour/

awesome read

[POH73]

^^Very cool, great to see them being so pro-active

Also, not just F1 but a fantastic video - watch in HD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIoO_N8bSP0

[maximus]

Sauber released some pictures of the bifurcated car from that video a while back.

Open them in a new tab and I think you'll get the full 1920 x xxx resolutions.

http://i.imgur.com/NIoIp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RfEZt.jpg

[Voot]

What's the pitot (Bit sticking up on the nose). ^^

EDIT: on last page...

[Adr3naL1N]

If anyone is interested. Some good air fares on sale to august 3 on VA and qantas to melb atm that includes F1 weekend. about $330 return on qantas and $258 return on VA. Very good! Spesh for F1 weekend.

I booked malaysia for the week after melbs already with TJ but seriously considering buying and flying out after work fri night and back on the 6am mon morning so im back for work monday without using any leave, paid a full fare the only time i went to melbs f1s last year cost me about $740 :(

[POH73]

Change to engine mapping rule confirmed: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101496

[Kaido]

interesting read over on the autosport fourm regarding RBR and possible illegal height change of there car

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=171659

[maximus]

What's the pitot (Bit sticking up on the nose). ^^

EDIT: on last page...

If you didn't look it up: A pitot tube is a pressure measurement instrument used to measure fluid flow velocity.

[TJ]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557933_496598007021380_779285054_n.jpg

So my mate is in Hungary this weekend. Motherfuck.

[satch]

Massa already talking about moving on from F1 should he not get a competitive seat.

Beginning of the end me thinks.

[Tocchi]

Massa already talking about moving on from F1 should he not get a competitive seat.

Beginning of the end me thinks.

that's a change from previous brazilian number 2 drivers.

[Adr3naL1N]

he sure needs to go, his in a competitive seat now and he is doing fuck all!!

[fourseven]

Vergne does Ricciardo.

[Adr3naL1N]

first time in a long time. Took a punt didint pay off.

[fourseven]

WEBBER FOR WDC!

/Brockas.

[ELUSIV]

$20 on Maldanado and Massa having a crash at first turn...

[TJ]

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1343495145.jpg

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Awesfully quiet in here tonight.

[fourseven]

Worst qualifier of the season, not much to talk about xox

[TJ]

For who?

Not sure who you are supporting this week.

[Lonewolf]

Worst qualifier of the season, not much to talk about xox

agreed, was pretty boring

[Frenchy]

Is it me, or is Lewis tweeting like crazy lately? Alot of positive posts

[ELUSIV]

Worst qualifier of the season, not much to talk about xox

Agreed, really liked the idea of having a 107% (or even lower) rule for Q3. Very anti-climactic.

I'm hoping for a Lotus to take out the win, probably Kimi if he can clear Button quickly. Most likely will end up being a race for 2nd.

[Bomber]

For who?

Not sure who you are supporting this week.
oh dear, haha

[Brockas]

Something has to be done about the terrible Q3 sessions.

Qualifying was shit.

Don't care who wins so long as its not Fred, keen to see the championship kept alive!

[Brockas]

WEBBER FOR WDC!

/Brockas.
LOL @ writing him off after 1 average qualifying.

He's still 2nd in the championship and it's not like the leader is on pole...

[fourseven]

Haha I forgot the italics. And TJ, fuck your couch.

[Lonewolf]

Is it me, or is Lewis tweeting like crazy lately? Alot of positive posts

Give it time, only a matter of time before he drops his lip about something

[Jazza]

Last wkend was great, I don't use twitter and probably should but he was posting on his fb photos of the race wkend from going to the track to a photo of inside the car, drivers, leaving the track etc etc. It's awesome!
P.S. What a lap, hopefully he can walk away with it in the race :)

[Brockas]

Give it time, only a matter of time before he drops his lip about something
Or his old lady (Nicole) leaves him again.

[fourseven]

It's pouring at that track. Keen to see Lewis slide first corner.

[Brockas]

Am I the only one who really wants to see Lotus win this? They really do deserve a race win. The car is fast!

[Frenchy]

Last wkend was great, I don't use twitter and probably should but he was posting on his fb photos of the race wkend from going to the track to a photo of inside the car, drivers, leaving the track etc etc. It's awesome!
P.S. What a lap, hopefully he can walk away with it in the race :)

I'm not much of a twitter person, but follow the f1 guys on there and it's pretty cool the stuff they post etc. Ricciardo posts on there ALOT. But kinda cool seeing/reading what they are upto and stuff

[TJ]

GP3 race is about to start - rain has stopped, track is soaked

[Daisy]

any links?

[Lonewolf]

Am I the only one who really wants to see Lotus win this? They really do deserve a race win. The car is fast!

2 good drivers in a quick car, would be good to see one of them get up (pref kimi!)

[TJ]

Epic GP3 race, got dry REAL fast, winner swapped to slicks, and pulled 40 seconds back in 4 laps!

[TheChad]

cbf setting up the stream so early, hows the weather forecast? clear for the rest of the day?

also very keen to see kimi win a race again!

[TJ]

Suggestions of another storm, but not till after the race is finished.

[fourseven]

I lol'd.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101607


Kimi Raikkonen has emerged as a surprise contender to line up alongside Fernando Alonso at Ferrari next year, even though the Finn is closing in on a deal to remain at Lotus.


The list is believed to be a long one, including Sergio Perez, Paul Di Resta, Nico Hulkenberg, and even Spanish GP winning Williams driver, Pastor Maldonado.

Jesus.

[Buckets]

Ferrari wouldn't have Kimi back surely and I'm guessing Williams would not want to loose the retard because of the funding he brings.

[fourseven]

Who knows. The story on Kimi's departure isn't very clear. Some say it was LdM. But he pushed Schumi out for Kimi. Some say that Stefano wanted Alonso so bad he orchestrated Kimi's "sacking".

Fuck knows. But Ferrari could pay Kimi double what Lotus can afford. Kimi still doesn't look like someone who is that bothered with winning. Show him the money and I reckon he'd sign.

[TheChad]

wasnt kimi offered to williams earlier? I think it was around this time or a bit later last year. Came with some serious money for like Qatar or something behind him?
Guessing pastor could afford to pay a little bit more, on account of his disability pension...

would kimi really go back to ferrari? Lotus could be about to issue in a new era of domination. Apples and oranges but last time there were turbos, there was a similar looking lotus with quite a reputation.

[TJ]

Wow @ Gp2 race last last, dude just gets turfed off the road into barriers coming to the line

[beatle]

I hope heikki can get a decent drive next year. keen to seewhat he can do in a competetive car.

[TJ]

Brundle's pre race Ferrari bit - first time something has given me goosebumps in a long time. You can just feel the emotion in his voice about it all.

[Frenchy]

Guessing pastor could afford to pay a little bit more, on account of his disability pension...


This made me laugh hard. :D

[Voot]

Brundle's pre race Ferrari bit - first time something has given me goosebumps in a long time. You can just feel the emotion in his voice about it all.

I thought the same, I enjoy the pre-race coverage by sky almost as much as the race! They do quiet a good job, but I guess Australian standards are down with the shit one hd serve us.

[TJ]

http://i49.tinypic.com/2ro2iz8.png


2007 Seems so long ago, doesnt it?

[fourseven]

That's because King Dickhead isn't around.

[fourseven]

Wow totally missed it, but they just said on OneHD that Lewis has been linked with Lotus.

Did some searching and apparently his own words were him firing off a shot early July about not being young anymore and wanting to win races. Apparently he's been "offered" a seat.

[POH73]

Brundle's pre race Ferrari bit - first time something has given me goosebumps in a long time. You can just feel the emotion in his voice about it all.

+1 Was a great little doco, he truly appeared humbled

[ClevoCapri]

Am I the only one who really wants to see Lotus win this? They really do deserve a race win. The car is fast!

Not the only one, im keen for a Lotus win. How was Grosjean's grins at post quali interview. I like seeing drivers happy to do well not sulking cause they should have done better, eg vettel.

[fourseven]

Poor Schumi, lol.