F1 2012 chat thread

[TJ]

Always Lewis's fault.

Anyone who thinks that it is REALLY his fault should probably end their affiliation with the sport of F1 at this point.

[fourseven]

In case any of that is directed toward me, I made it pretty clear that I think it's 100% Pastor's fault.

Lewis has shown he has the experience and intelligence to move over when he's beat because of tyres, he's done it once or twice this year already. Fighting for that position didn't make much sense at the time or now.

[TJ]

LOL no it wasnt Rhett.

In his post race interview he was VERY calm about it all. Said well done to Alonso, and when asked if he should of been racing

"we are racing drivers, we race for every position to the end of the race"

He picked one line under braking, was smart enough to ensure that line ran fuckhead wide, and then move right to leave some room. Great defending. Yes, he probably would of been picked off the next lap but hes fighting for the championship, opening doors and letting people through would of got him more hate than this.

[satch]

Not Lewis biggest fan, but definitely wasnt his fault, he is entitled to run Pastor out of room just like Mark and others have in the past.

Pastor just too impatient, needs a patrick head ear blasting.

[wadragracing]

Vergne had to be the numbskull of the race though, I'm not saying I could do a better job but I would have thought if you've reached that level you should know you haven't cleared a car when you can probably still see the bloody thing's front wing.
Would have liked to have seen a replay of the Ricciardo incident.
There was so much drama and there was twist after twist from the withdrawals of Vettel and Grosjean to the last lap crashing.
Mark Webber's driving style might not be as flamboyant as others but it's given him another fourth place and second place in the points. Consistency paying off but he is going to need some more wins to really be in with a shot.

[esky]

Anyone else get the impression that RBR are about to walk the remaining races 2011 style?

[SimonR32]

and then move right to leave some room.

LOL I was with you before you wrote that... He moved right so he got a better line into the next corner and could hit the apex. Once Pastor was back on the track he instantly shut the door on him again.

Rose coloured glasses

[JME]

The priest should've waited, period.

THAT was a great race! Alonso steaming through the field, the fezza kept it together.

[SimonR32]

Alonso is freakishly consistently good

[TJ]

Must remember that car has had exceptional race pace all season, even if the one lap has sucked.

Im starting to think Fred will be a 3 time WDC

[SimonR32]

Don't tell Massa that :)

[TJ]

p.s

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it is ridiculous how far off the road that pingpingpingping is before coming back over.

[esky]

Vettel was 34 seconds in front of Alonso before the safety car, at less then half race distance

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&gp=871&graf=3&dr1=Sebastian%20Vettel&dr2=Fernando%20Alonso

If the rbr v4 is that good elsewhere, make no difference how good Alonso is, 3 time WDC Vettel.

[poombah]

Not a Hamilton fan by any stretch of the imagination but Pastor needs more than a 20sec time penalty for that type of incident - especially when it was so careless (or possibly deliberate) - he should be getting a grid penalty for the next race. Not the first time he's shown aggression towards hamilton - he had a dummy spit and crashed into Lewis at Spa last year after qualifying... guys obviously got a bit of a hot head and should not be competing in this level of competition as his actions could potentially injure or kill someone.

[jaybee]

Absolutely no where near harsh enough.

[Kaido]

Vettel was 34 seconds in front of Alonso before the safety car, at less then half race distance

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&gp=871&graf=3&dr1=Sebastian%20Vettel&dr2=Fernando%20Alonso

If the rbr v4 is that good elsewhere, make no difference how good Alonso is, 3 time WDC Vettel.

can't really compare lap times when Alonso started in 11th, he was always in the dirt air, vettle had clean air.

interesting to note that Alonso was faster on both in and out laps during the pit stops.

FYI
http://i48.tinypic.com/35a3e2p.jpg

Looks like Alonso average lap time on the 1st Stint was quicker

[SimonR32]

it is ridiculous how far off the racing line that pingpingpingping went run Pastor off the track.

fixed for you :)

[DISTRBD]

p.s


http://i47.tinypic.com/4jr7k.jpg


it is ridiculous how far off the road that pingpingpingping is before coming back over.

LOL thats a pingpingpingping move right there

[V70R]

Paster drove into Lewis from off the track.
Paster had all 4 wheels outside the white line and caused the collision when should have yielded to Lewis..Crash is Paster's fault.

[esky]

can't really compare lap times when Alonso started in 11th, he was always in the dirt air, vettle had clean air.

interesting to note that Alonso was faster on both in and out laps during the pit stops.

FYI
http://i48.tinypic.com/35a3e2p.jpg

Looks like Alonso average lap time on the 1st Stint was quicker

1-Stint...vettel 33 laps ..alonso 57 laps.

Vettels average is over the first half of the race, with heavier fuel loads and the safety car period. Alonso's is for the entire race, so the faster laps at the end over more laps give a better average time. It's not representative of anything.

If you check the same stat, Petrov has a better average laptime then Vettel...

[TJ]

Its ok I am aware Simon doesnt know much about the sport xoxo

[ELUSIV]

I don't like Lewis at all but there is no doubt that Pastor is totally at fault. As much as I agree that Hamilton should have known better, had fading tyres and was just being a stubborn fck it was also his right to defend his position. That doesnt give Pastor the right to just smash into him because he isnt happy he couldnt pass. Lewis was a little off the racing line but he was defending which he was clearly allowed to do regardless of what any armchair critics will say.

Pastor shouldnt have tried to pass him there, and Lewis shouldnt really have done such a risky defensive move. They both should have known better...in hindsight...but the fact is Pastor was way out of line in taking Lewis out. Pathetic penalty really, 20s is fck all for taking someone out from 3rd (although 99% chance he would have finished 4th) and a huge loss of points.

[V70R]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2cerfqx.jpg

It looks to me like that Williams was sent out to Pastor

[Jazza]

I can't understand how he doesn't had a grid penalty for next race...

[SimonR32]

It looks to me like that Williams was sent out to Pastor

Fuck you fail hard

[Kaido]

1-Stint...vettel 33 laps ..alonso 57 laps.

Vettels average is over the first half of the race, with heavier fuel loads and the safety car period. Alonso's is for the entire race, so the faster laps at the end over more laps give a better average time. It's not representative of anything.

If you check the same stat, Petrov has a better average laptime then Vettel...

make sense

[V70R]

Fuck you fail hard
blowing you a fly kiss xx

[wadragracing]

Looking at those stills of Maldonado vs Hamilton, is there a rule that you are required to leave the space for the car on the outside if they are there? Ie if it was a wall on the white line and not an open area, would Hamilton have pushed Maldonado as far wide? Just something I thought I heard the commentators ramble on about once.

OK this is what I mean referred to in one of the comments here:
http://www.formula1blog.com/2012/04/22/no-penalty-for-rosberg-alonso-not-happy/

International Sporting Code, Appendix L, Chapter IV – Code of Driving Conduct on Circuits:

2. b) Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences will be reported to the stewards of the meeting.


So basically, do you have to leave room if you have someone on your outside, even if that means you have to go off the normal racing line, or are you allowed to defend by moving along the normal racing line, even if that pushes somebody off the track as it did with Maldonado? I think he was a numpty for coming back into Hamilton with what amounted to a kamikaze as he would have inevitably got the position anyway, but I'm interested to know what the difference is.

[TJ]

The Stewards obviously ruled Lewis was fine in his actions as he got no penalty.

[Jimmy_S]

Such an epic race...

Happy for Alonso, drove a great race!

Happier for my boy Wibbah who put together a fantastic race alongside Schumacher to get to 4th from P19! On a track that is apparently so 'difficult' to overtake!

Bummed that Danny didn't manage to sneak into the points, but its still a great 1-up over his teammate... and should be another better quali and finish at Silverstone with J-E-V copping a grid penalty...

Seb got unlucky, but then Mark had all the issues pre-race, so its only fair! ;) Loved his dummy spit... Felt worse for Grosjean, especially as it seems no-one cares that he was destroying his former-WDC teammate up until the car failed... Just because Kimi managed to walk into 2nd place!

Lewis got raped by the Pastor... but it made for great watching... I confess to having a big smile...

BRING ON SILVERSTONE!!!!

[Sebdullah]

such a good race, never thought Valencia would deliver that much action, even though I'm not a Hamilton fan gotta say Pastor is fucking retarded for that move.

had epic lol at Verne ruining his own race stupid pingpingpingping, who drives at the speed with with a puncture

[[Jacek]]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/Micheh2000/msc_europejpg.jpg

[Autopilot]

Thought that was a stupid picture till I looked closer, Pretty much sums it up.

[fourseven]

http://thumbsnap.com/sc/Yb1sg7Q7.jpg

[DISTRBD]

Thought that was a stupid picture till I looked closer, Pretty much sums it up.

Still is a stupid pic .

[Jumanji]

http://thumbsnap.com/sc/Yb1sg7Q7.jpg

Aha! love it :D

[esky]

Looking at those stills of Maldonado vs Hamilton, is there a rule that you are required to leave the space for the car on the outside if they are there? Ie if it was a wall on the white line and not an open area, would Hamilton have pushed Maldonado as far wide? Just something I thought I heard the commentators ramble on about once.

OK this is what I mean referred to in one of the comments here:
http://www.formula1blog.com/2012/04/22/no-penalty-for-rosberg-alonso-not-happy/

International Sporting Code, Appendix L, Chapter IV – Code of Driving Conduct on Circuits:

2. b) Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences will be reported to the stewards of the meeting.


So basically, do you have to leave room if you have someone on your outside, even if that means you have to go off the normal racing line, or are you allowed to defend by moving along the normal racing line, even if that pushes somebody off the track as it did with Maldonado? I think he was a numpty for coming back into Hamilton with what amounted to a kamikaze as he would have inevitably got the position anyway, but I'm interested to know what the difference is.

See button vs hamilton canada 2011. Moves around the outside, if you get squeezed, stiff shit.

[Jazza]

See Rosberg's massively aggressive moves recently on Lewis AND Fernando, bit worse than running someone over some white lines at slow speeds and somehow he got away with it haha
I'm not even sure if Lewis could of made the corner tighter, have a look at his entry and how shot his tyres were at that stage. The move before holding of Kimi was one of the best I've seen in ages just putting the car in the perfect spot even though he got taken at the end of the next straight that was great racing!

[TheChad]

I have to admit I ended up feeling very sorry for Hamilton, I've never really felt sorry for him before because he always has a sook and acts like he's so good that everyone should just get out of his way. This year he's been magnanimous when he's won and humble when he's failed. I'm glad he's working on being more likeable, he is a good driver, though possibly not as great as he thinks.

[urabus]

Looking at those stills of Maldonado vs Hamilton, is there a rule that you are required to leave the space for the car on the outside if they are there? Ie if it was a wall on the white line and not an open area, would Hamilton have pushed Maldonado as far wide? Just something I thought I heard the commentators ramble on about once.

2. b) Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences will be reported to the stewards of the meeting.


So basically, do you have to leave room if you have someone on your outside, even if that means you have to go off the normal racing line, or are you allowed to defend by moving along the normal racing line, even if that pushes somebody off the track as it did with Maldonado? I think he was a numpty for coming back into Hamilton with what amounted to a kamikaze as he would have inevitably got the position anyway, but I'm interested to know what the difference is.

But Maldonado was the one doing the overtaking. Lewis simply held his line. I dont like either of them and am not biased but the poster boy for Autism was 100% in the wrong and should get a far harsher penalty than 20 seconds. Lewis has every right to burn his house down. Preferably with Maldonado in it.

Brendon

[SimonR32]

But Maldonado was the one doing the overtaking. Lewis simply held his line. I dont like either of them and am not biased but the poster boy for Autism was 100% in the wrong and should get a far harsher penalty than 20 seconds. Lewis has every right to burn his house down. Preferably with Maldonado in it.

Brendon

Technically Maldonado was in front of Lewis going into the corner, so Lewis was retaking the position he lost xoxo

[esky]

Fuckugly running Webber off, perfectly legal.

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/5491/webbermaldonado1.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/842/webbermaldonado2.jpg
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4707/webbermaldonado3.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1451/webbermaldonado4.jpg
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/4725/webbermaldonado5.jpg

[SimonR32]

Yeah I was spewing when he did that... I was under the assumption that you couldn't run someone off the track but apparently you can!

Still want to know if there was a wall on either cornerand Webber/"Fuckugly" had gone into the wall if "Fuckugly" or Hamilton would have got a penalty?!?

[esky]

Running someone off on the outside, weaving on the straight, oh the humanity.

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[V70R]

Technically Maldonado was in front of Lewis going into the corner, so Lewis was retaking the position he lost xoxo
No he wasn't. Pastor was never in front of Lewis.

[esky]

Yeah I was spewing when he did that... I was under the assumption that you couldn't run someone off the track but apparently you can!

Still want to know if there was a wall on either cornerand Webber/"Fuckugly" had gone into the wall if "Fuckugly" or Hamilton would have got a penalty?!?

I would guess the guy on the outside hits the wall.

If one car is on racing line and doesn't deviate from it, then its just bad luck for the other guy. If there was a wall there, do you thing people would have been trying to go around the outside?

[TJ]

If a wall was there, Webber would have never kept moving across and there would have been contact.

If a wall was there, Pastor would have driven onto it when he tried to go around Lewis.

In summary, fuck Pastor

[DISTRBD]

Let them keep crashing each other out , needs some more excitement in the sport

[SimonR32]

No he wasn't. Pastor was never in front of Lewis.

I was trolling... But he actually was

[fourseven]

I don't remember Pastor being in front of Lewis during any part of that. Have I missed something?

[SimonR32]

I don't remember Pastor being in front of Lewis during any part of that. Have I missed something?

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy15/SimonR32GTR/Capture-6.png

[Douche Bag]

Running someone off on the outside, weaving on the straight, oh the humanity.

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Miss this kind of racing heaps :(

[fourseven]

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy15/SimonR32GTR/Capture-6.png

LOL how far from the corner is that? Pastor braking late doesn't count for being in front!

[TJ]

Miss this kind of racing heaps :(

What, where only Ferrari or McLaren won races?

[fourseven]

I prefer Canada 2008 xox

[TJ]

I prefer Brazil :P

Or Singapore :P

[Jumanji]

LOL how far from the corner is that? Pastor braking late doesn't count for being in front!

Still infront nonetheless though? I suppose if he had of been on the other side of Hamilton this would have changed everything.

[Douche Bag]

What, where only Ferrari or McLaren won races?

Where there weren't so many new interfering rules....

[SimonR32]

LOL how far from the corner is that? Pastor braking late doesn't count for being in front!

I did say "technically" LOL

and I was trolling :)

[TJ]

Where there weren't so many new interfering rules....

Lost refuelling, gained DRS,

[TheChad]

LOL how far from the corner is that? Pastor braking late doesn't count for being in front!

If you watch hamiltons onboard it actually seems like Hamilton was later on the breaks. Clearly pastor had a nose in front but that meant shit all when he was on the outside, Hamilton was definitely infront and on the line going in. Pastor has fists of ham. I realise nobody is arguing the point, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

What was the speds penalty in the end? 5 or 10 spots next race?

[fourseven]

No spots. He got a 20 second penalty dropping his race classification but that's all.

[TheChad]

What the fuck. Schumi got 5 spots for loving Bruno from behind...

[SimonR32]

What the fuck. Schumi got 5 spots for loving Bruno from behind...

Yeah but that saw him out of the race, so they can't give him a time penalty.

If there was a safety car near the end of the race Pastor's 20sec penalty could have seen him drop to dead last.

[Kaido]

Yeah but that saw him out of the race, so they can't give him a time penalty.

If there was a safety car near the end of the race Pastor's 20sec penalty could have seen him drop to dead last.

never would have happen... race finish under safety car

[TJ]

Yeah never

But dont include Canada 1999, Australia and Italy 2009 or Monaco 2010 in your assessment.

[Kaido]

Yeah never

But dont include Canada 1999, Australia and Italy 2009 or Monaco 2010 in your assessment.

4 races out of how many? My point was they don't like to finish under safety car, so they will try to avoid it at all cost therefore it was high unlikely that a safe car would have happen with only 2 laps to go

[esky]

Na, had Lewis's car bounced back on the racing line, instant safety car.

[DT95WA]

4 races out of how many? My point was they don't like to finish under safety car, so they will try to avoid it at all cost therefore it was high unlikely that a safe car would have happen with only 2 days to go

Only 2 days?

[jaybee]

Where there weren't so many new interfering rules....

i believe the 80's/90's is the era your after.

[jaybee]

ps. i still can't believe this pastor/hamilton incident is still being discussed.

[fourseven]

LOL dude it's a discussion forum.

[SimonR32]

never would have happen... race finish under safety car

Firstly, as TJ pointed out you are wrong!

Secondly, did I say finish under safety car? No, I said safety car near the end of the race...

[Kaido]

Firstly, as TJ pointed out you are wrong!

Secondly, did I say finish under safety car? No, I said safety car near the end of the race...

lol 2 laps to go when pastor took out hamilton... would have finish under safety car

[TJ]

And had the car landed back on the middle of the track it would have ended under s/c

Nothing more than some tyres and luck stopped that.

[jaybee]

LOL dude it's a discussion forum.

haha i know, but it amazes me how people are defending maldonado, it was nothing but a stupid move, he should have yielded whatever way you look at it. he should have yielded as he wasn't in front of hamilton anywhere near enough (need to be at least half a car length IMO) to justify lewis moving off the race line. looking at it from another point of view, he should of yielded and braked earlier to cut into the turn behind hamilton, to get a better drive out of the next corner and set himself up for a proper overtake. this is where discipline and patience come into play, hami's tyres were borderline on the cliff, pastor would have easily overtaken him in the DRS zone, but instead he put's lewis out of the race and cost both of them good points. Pastor should have got a much more harsh penalty.

[TJ]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/529057_10151893567620298_2046253635_n.jpg

Antilag has a table of 9 onboard

I would suggest if you are a true F1 fan get onboard - someone here can run a 2nd table

And if you do I have 2 friends keen already.

[skidkid]

keen for table^

[fourseven]

I'm organising one, PM me your details if you want a seat and I'll let you know how we go.

[jaybee]

wow, awesome!

[fourseven]

4 spots left. Anyone else wanting in better hurry up.

[POH73]

Would love to but unfort will be overseas. Spewin!

[Buckets]

Fuck I'd love to go but I'm away :(

[Adr3naL1N]

http://www.lgp2012.com/

interesting!

[TheChad]

Bit over the top hey. Unlikely to go ahead, but it would be so awesome.

Sir Jack lunch would be awesome, only about $130 short for a ticket too :/

[Adr3naL1N]

yeah i doubt it it would ever happen, can dream though. The arch at the final corner seem way to dangerous!

[Autopilot]

I must be the only one who thinks street circuits are generally boring races to watch. I think F1 should stick to real circuits preferably not designed by Hermann Tilke.

[maximus]

http://vimeo.com/43233380

Pretty cool.

[Joe]

Marussia test driver Maria De Villota was involved in a crash during some testing in the UK.. apparently her head and face injuries are life-threatening.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100883

[esky]

How the fuck does that happen?

Head injuries, sound like car has gone under truck.

[Autopilot]

Women drivers

[Alt_F4]

How the fuck does that happen?

Head injuries, sound like car has gone under truck.
Or a car transporter...

[esky]

She's hit the lowering bed, head first.

[esky]

http://s1-05.twitpicproxy.com/photos/full/610346637.jpg?key=20481536

[joshg123]

Fucking hell, something must have gone wrong as that just seems silly.

[TheChad]

Following her first straight line run?

Iirc on top gear when James did the top speed run in the veyron he said at 70/hr he felt like he could get out of the cat and walk... Maybe she came in too hot? Or maybe came in too slow and the breaks weren't good enough after she was used to how they behave at 300+


Edit: or maybe not

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100890

[TJ]

Fuck.

Best wishes.

[TJ]

Early reports say that apparently she didn't put the car in neutral, the antistall kicked in and shot the car forward. The ramp on the back of the truck was at helmet level, so the entire impact of the crash was pretty much straight on at her head.

Please note that might be wrong, but my usual f1 chatter guys are usually on the ball

[TJ]

BBC Cambridgeshire presenter Chris Mann, who was at the Imperial War Museum-owned airfield when the accident happened, said the car 'inexplicably accelerated' into the back of the team's parked support truck.
He said: 'She got into the car, fired it up and did a test run at probably about 200mph in the rain.
'The car was slightly misfiring but there didn't seem to be any concerns.
'She came back into the area we were in with the engineers. She slowed down but then suddenly, inexplicably accelerated through the crowd and smashed into the side of the truck.
'The driver's helmet was impacted on the side of the truck,' he reported. 'It just happened suddenly, a very shocking incident.
'The car slowed down as you see happens during a grand prix, for it to then be reversed into the pits which was actually a tent. But at the last second it just suddenly accelerated again so by the time it hit the truck, it was doing 30 or 40 miles an hour.'
He added: 'It appeared to me that she wasn't moving for about 10 or 15 minutes. We saw her move her hands after about a quarter of an hour and it took almost an hour for the ambulance (staff) to feel confident to take her out of the car.'

[mjp]

Farkkk! that is well farked :(

[TJ]

http://audioboo.fm/boos/871249-duxford-f1-crash-eywitness-update

It is instantly obvious that its a bad crash.

[TheChad]

would be a weird antistall, kind of does the opposite when it kicks in... makes them sit there not moving or doing so very slow, but stops it dying...
then again, maybe it just seems that way compared to how fast the cars normally move off the line.

not nice to listen to either... anyway, reports are she is concious now, just hope its a full recovery.

be interesting to see how the helmet held up to it, considering they are designed to take a hit like that in one way or another.

[Buckets]

My question is why would they have the tail lift at that height. Surely there'd be some OHS nazi (this is the UK remember) who'd have said it had to be left either up or down so it's not left at a height where it poses a hazard for people to walk in to let alone crash an F1 car in to.

EDIT: It looks like it was the hitch end she hit.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/03/article-2168068-13E7E0A7000005DC-676_634x378.jpg

[TJ]

No the antistall did exactly what it was designed to if it was in gear... revs drop, it blips throttle to keep it running.. in gear.. well yeah stab your throttle in first and see results.

[Brockas]

Ridiculous. Don't know how she managed that.

[TJ]

First time she has really driven the car, was slowing down to pull up.. probably didnt think to click n before it jumped.

In bigger news

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=46477

Ill spell this one out - Vodafone EU is also in trouble dollars wise and might be bailing...

Coca-Cola Mclaren Mercedes 2013 ...

[Tocchi]

^ they pulled out of Triple8 in the V8SC too (as of next year).

at least with the Coke branding, it will keep the red theme within their livery.

[TJ]

Voda Au and Eu arnt related in anything other than name, but both are going through hard times

[Joe]

http://www.pitpass.com/46694-De-Villota-A-further-update-from-Marussia

Not much of an update, but she is at the major trauma centre... not good.

[beatle]

Re: Coke mclaren,
Not sure if anyone else listens to the James allen podcasts, but in a previous one this year, it was noted by F1's sponsor co-ordinator that it would be inevitble for Coca-Cola etc to enter F1 now the tobacconist's are out.

[TJ]

And that Red Bull own 96% of the energy drink market...

[fourseven]

De Villota has a fractured skulled, has been transferred to London for surgery.

[jaybee]

fuck that's not good

[fourseven]

Still got a couple of seats to Jackie. Hit me up if keen.

[joshg123]

I might be way off, but that sounds like full brakes and the engine wanting to power the car forward. So either shes come into stop, and hasnt pulled the clutch paddle and it just keeps dialing on throttle to stop it stalling, or there was a hydraulic problem of sorts holding throttle and also stopping the clutch from disengaging

[TJ]

The Marussia team have confirmed test driver Maria de Villota has lost her right eye following her crash at Duxford Aerodrome yesterday.

In a statement issued on Friday the team said her condition remained “critical but stable”.

Team principal John Booth said: “Maria emerged from theatre at Addenbrooke’s Hospital this morning after a lengthy operation to address the serious head and facial injuries she received in the accident at Duxford Airfield yesterday.

“We are grateful for the medical attention that Maria has been receiving and her family would like to thank the neurological and plastics surgical teams. However it is with great sadness that I must report that, due to the injuries she sustained, Maria has lost her right eye.

“Maria’s care and the wellbeing of her family remain our priority at this time. Her family are at the hospital and we are doing everything possible to support them.

“We ask for everyone’s patience and understanding with regard to updates on Maria’s condition. We will provide further information when it is appropriate to do so and with consideration for her family.

“In the meantime, we would all like to take this opportunity to praise the emergency services at Duxford Airfield, who were on stand-by yesterday, as is usual procedure for a Formula One test.

“With regard to the accident, we have embarked on a very comprehensive analysis of what happened and this work continues for the moment.

“Finally, we have been overwhelmed by messages of support for Maria, her family and the Team and we would like to express our sincere gratitude for those.”




Ahhhh shit. No good.

[skidkid]

Holy shit.. Goodbye career :(

[Lonewolf]

:(

[POH73]

Sad to read whatever the cause. A very unfortunate incident http://www.jeboavatars.com/images/avatars/221921172066saddersmiliey.jpg

[SimonR32]

That's horrible, hopefully it all gets better news from here on

[Sebdullah]

shit no good, hope that's as bad as it's going to get for her :(

[Tocchi]

sad news. always a shame when a driver (fulltime or tester) gets injured.

in saying that, i reckon with 1 eye she would make a better "comeback" than Felipe. haha

[Joe]

I don't think having one eye will allow her to sit for her super license now.

Shame :(

[MadDocker]

Terrible news. Poor lady.

[jaybee]

Terrible terrible news :(

[esky]

Sweet fucking Jesus, are they deliberately trying to fuck up.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7868525/Michael-backed-as-future-McLaren-boss

[TJ]

Sweet fucking Jesus, are they deliberately trying to fuck up.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7868525/Michael-backed-as-future-McLaren-boss

I read that, fell into the corner in the foetal position sobbing

[Buckets]

I read that, fell into the corner in the foetal position sobbing

I'm going to do a Fourseven and change teams.

That pingpingpingping is a curse.

[fourseven]

YESSSS! Would love to see Sam in the top job. I think it's the best thing for McLaren!

Buckets, I'm going to accidentally delete your account.

[TJ]

Who you supporting this weekend Rhett?

[fourseven]

Marussia. I hear they're eyeing off a race win.

[SimonR32]

That's worse than my inappropriate joke yesterday!

FOR SHAME haha

[Skitzo]

I don't care if it's too soon. But i genuinely laughed out loud.

[urabus]

Terrible shame but at the end of the day she is 32 so she was never going to get a full time gig.

Brendon

[PIGSTi]

Who knows who to talk to regarding F1 Box tickets in Singapore? Price not an issue.

No they are not for me, I wish!

[fourseven]

http://www.singaporegp.sg/ticket/corporate_ticket.php

[cplagz]

I'll look up who we got ours through last year. TBH our box was empty up until quality then it was half full then race day it was full. Massive over catering too.

[TheChad]

didnt want to be the one to break the ice on that one, but since foursevens jumped in,

After her accident she'll come out supporting hamilton, now that she has the required vision.

[TJ]

FP1 is rain rain rain

[TJ]

https://p.twimg.com/AxG-miLCMAEzDVq.jpg

[MGR]

FP1 is rain rain rain

http://i.imgur.com/R32T2.jpg

[anton]

did they not think of water drainage?

[Adr3naL1N]

jesus

[Kaido]

wtf?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100977


British GP public car park pass holders told to stay away on Saturday


Silverstone has 'strongly advised' fans holding public car park passes for the British Grand Prix to stay away on Saturday because of the on-going traffic chaos caused by unprecedented levels of rain.

While those who have pre-allocated park-and-ride passes will be able to attend as planned - as well as those already in camp sites or within walking distance - Silverstone managing director Richard Phillips warned that fans with public passes may be turned away.

The move has been made to protect the grass car parks in the hope that there will be no such restrictions in place for race day, after significant traffic problems on Friday led to many fans not being able to get into the circuit.

It is estimated that as many as 30,000 fans could be affected by this decision.

"We are strongly advising anyone with a public parking ticket not to come [on Saturday]," said Phillips.

"What we can do tomorrow is accept people that are in park and ride. People who are camping or who can walk in are fine. There are a lot of categories and paddock-ticketed people that go into the centre and will be fine to get in.

"There will come a point [tomorrow] - and that's why I am dissuading people now - where we will probably stop the traffic on the Dadford Road [the A43] and push them straight through past the circuit. And I don't want to do that.

"The people that didn't get in today, we are offering refunds to and anybody that doesn't get in tomorrow will get a refund."

Phillips blamed the problems that arose today on the rain, which led to grass car parks that had not been intended for use on Friday being opened.

With numerous vehicles unable to gain access to camp sites, the decision was taken not to use the car parks on Saturday so that they will be fit for Sunday.

"Yesterday, we had quite a good day with the sun shining," said Phillips. "The car parks were in a reasonable condition and we announced that we were going to go to an amber situation just in case and use the hard standing car parks if we could and keep off the grass.

"What happened today is with the rain also came a lot of campers that didn't come in yesterday. They didn't come in to camp because of the wet weather, they came in caravans and Winnebagos and couldn't get into the campsites as the campsites were waterlogged and wouldn't let them in. So they were being turned away.

"We tried to accommodate as many as we possibly could but the damage was started by then. We had to abandon just parking on hard standing because we just had to get traffic in as best we could.

"We broke into a lot of the grass car parks. As a result of that, we have basically lost 50 per cent of our parking."

Phillips underlined his hope that these measures would allow all those holding tickets for Sunday's race to attend, but could not guarantee that this would be the case.

"I am not sure at all," he said. "I would have to see where we are tomorrow and we may have to have another chat tomorrow about Sunday.

"At the moment we have to do our damndest to make sure that people that do come tomorrow are looked over the best we can and on Sunday hopefully everybody [will be]."

For further information if you are planning to travel to the British Grand Prix, visit www.silverstone.co.uk

[TJ]

they have had a years worth of rain in 24 hours - its turned the carparks to mud.

[Jumanji]

I dont know if anyone else goes, but the Inglewood Hotel has a live screening of the F1 on the big projector tomorrow night. Keen for a few beers, come down and watch it.

[TheChad]

so what are we expecting? weather forecast today the same as 2moro... is it at least going to be better than yesterday?
surely they wont be racing if the weather is anything like yesterdays?

perez is is paying $27 on sportsbet

[fourseven]

Perez doesn't stand a chance. RBR clearly have pace, McLaren will probably catch them this weekend, Fernando is chomping at the bit. If it's a wet race then strategy won't play into it as much as Perez will want.

You can place a bet with me on Perez to win, paying $27. Minimum $50 bet :)

[TheChad]

Perez doesn't stand a chance. RBR clearly have pace, McLaren will probably catch them this weekend, Fernando is chomping at the bit. If it's a wet race then strategy won't play into it as much as Perez will want.

You can place a bet with me on Perez to win, paying $27. Minimum $50 bet :)

i have tipped accordingly, but to put down a single dollar on perez while i make a couple of other bets. Cant be that bad of a bet, cover my losses if he comes through.

[TheChad]

lol poor Pic...

seems like the marshals pushed him further than he peddled it

[Adr3naL1N]

jesus alonso was lucky there! this is goin to be interesting!

[Buckets]

Fucking Button; I don't know whats wrong with him but it's sad when his team mate is utterly annihilating him as are most of the "backmarkers"

Epic save by Alonso. Should be a fun race tomorrow regardless of what happens with Q2.5 & Q3.

LOL @ Marco... he was doing something human.

[TheChad]

FUCK ME THIS IS BORING!!!!

Can't turn it off though.

[mjp]

FUCK ME THIS IS BORING!!!!

Can't turn it off though.

ˆˆˆˆˆ
Oh yeah if you're watching it on one(sd)hd sucks to be you as i bet Greg and Darryl are talking like they are beating a dead donkey!
Sky sports F1 streaming on the other hand its soooooooooo good.. lots of pit walks and interviews - lifes good (oh yeah Georgie Thompson and Natalie Pinkham) :)

[TheChad]

Had it up for a bit but the streams look rubbish tonight. Can you pm me where you're streaming from? I normally use eplsite and vipbox to skip those shitty 1HD adds.



And we're back!!

[Adr3naL1N]

most of the time one hd is giving the us the sky sports commentators/stream. Itsss only the odd interuption from the muppets

[ClevoCapri]

Time to go again! Should be a good Q2 finish. Go Danny!

[fourseven]

Fucking Grosjean. USELESS.

[Adr3naL1N]

Once again DR out qualies the frog even without his 10 place grid drop :)

[TheChad]

Lol at the commentators saying Lotus might favour grosjean over Kimi because Kimi is a pingpingpingping...

Kimi is 20 points ahead and constantly finishing, grosjean holds himself down 9/10 times. Still green, needs more time...

[fourseven]

Potato leading Q3. This should be interesting.

[TheChad]

Lol Hamilton on wrong tyres, at least this time they won't run out of fuel... Probably have a bit too much from what the commentators describe.

[fourseven]

FERNANDOOOOOOOOO!

[Adr3naL1N]

fuck! thought webber had that! hamilton and vettel struggling.

[fourseven]

http://i.imgur.com/yp5Qh.png

[TJ]

http://i.imgur.com/yp5Qh.png

Meh, when your team mate is 18th 8th is awesome.

Tried to do a banker on the wrong tyres, then was time limited and made a small mistake on his run.


From my mates fb... fml

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/479793_489142831100231_1614726430_n.jpg

[fourseven]

To me it looked like the McLaren was out of whack in some corners.

If Fernando wins tomorrow you'd have to seriously be considering him for the WDC if Ferrari's development continues. Germany, Italy, Singapore and Korea he's won before in arguably a lesser car and there's some hot races coming up that may hurt the Renault teams if that overheating alternator issue wasn't a once-off. Still amazed at where he is given the comedy at the start of the season with the car. It's also incredibly frustrating to see the British fans saying Fernando's request for red flags manipulated Q2 when Lewis insisted on red flags too!


Veteran commentator Murray Walker, working as a pundit for the BBC, said: "People query whether Fernando Alonso is the best driver in F1 - I don't, and he has just proved it again."

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b2KIwQEQ3ic/T8us6mH3rII/AAAAAAAAaE4/gW_gzkuy7G4/s1600/Lewis-Hamilton+and+Fernando-Alonso_2012_F1.jpg

[TJ]

https://p.twimg.com/AxRqv6ICIAE0IrL.jpg:medium

You know what... its good to see them friendly these days

[TJ]

Watching pre race with Lewis... he is a totally different guy this year. Its really good to see

Even being asked about Valenica "I was on track, it is all I say.... but it wont happen again" made me lol

[fourseven]

You have to leave a space, all the time you have to leave a the space!

[ChrisGTR]

Wtf was that from Alonso?

[fourseven]

Grosjean has been off track 3 times in a lap and a half. WTF is wrong with this twat?!

[ChrisGTR]

Massa and Vettel. This will be interesting

[Adr3naL1N]

sigh how does riccairdo always fall right behind vergne every time! he started last ffs!!


btw whats with the red bull livery this round? i must of missed something

[fourseven]

It's a British thing, being their home race. "Wings for Life".

[fourseven]

LOL there goes your Perez bet, courtesy of Potato!

[Adr3naL1N]

omg pastor is useless!

[TheChad]

Fucking down syndrome pingpingpingping.

[ELUSIV]

LOL frankenstein. Clearly he didn't see how the "take everyone out" strategy worked for Hamilton.

[Buckets]

Pastor needs shooting.

[ALEX.]

2.8 sec stop for Hamchops. Insane! I thought the record was Red Bull's 2.9? Regardless, that's nuts.

[mischief1]

Perez on the money!

[fourseven]

That Ferrari is just flawless. Faster on hards than RBR on softs. Fernando's going to be a 3 time WDC surely.

[anton]

they have surely turned that car around..

also sigh... why must i listen to these guys talk

[fourseven]

Jesus Kamui.

I'll cry if Fernando loses this in the last couple of laps.

[TJ]

pastor maldafuckhead

[Adr3naL1N]

lol not even half way through the season bit early to say that.

wtf is with one!! we had an ad break on lap 37 now another on 42, and this is after we missed a lap or with two breaks in commincations. FUCK YOUUUUU!!!!

[MadDocker]

Raging at onehd. Feed problems, just get it back and cut to break. pingpingpingpings.

[fourseven]

Webber's got this. FML.

[Adr3naL1N]

1 second!!!! comon webber!!!!!!!

[MadDocker]

C'mon Webber!! 7 laps to get him.

[jaybee]

YES YES.

[Adr3naL1N]

YEEEESSSS!!!!!!

[fourseven]

LOL and here come the silent Webber supporters. Haven't heard a peep all year.

[Adr3naL1N]

What? its his second race win? and his been up the top all year? hardly been silent i would say.

[fourseven]

http://i.imgur.com/okUBc.png

At least Fernando is still leading the WDC. Thanks for the cash Webber, would've preferred you hit a wall.

[jaybee]

you fucking beauty!

[Frenchy]

Yewwwww!!!

[Adr3naL1N]

ricciardo beats vergne again :)

[TJ]

Shameful day to be a macca supporter.

Time to do a Rhett and support someone new each week

[Frenchy]

LOL and here come the silent Webber supporters. Haven't heard a peep all year.

Wut? Pretty sure its the same 4 people that have all year??

[fourseven]

Need more of this.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/06/article-0-028ED90B000005DC-738_634x347.jpg

[pgc]

Jesus Kamui.

I'll cry if Fernando loses this in the last couple of laps.

So, where are the waterworks?

Good to see Alonso not be stupid about it and gave him room.

[fourseven]

Saved only by the fact that Webber won me a bucket of money, Fernando is still leading the WDC, and McLaren make me happy. I didn't realise how much quicker hard tyres were at Silverstone. FML.

[TheChad]

How much is Maldonado paying for that seat? Senna has what? 30mil behind him? Or that's what they wanted for Kimi.

Great result with both Aussies beating their teammates.

[dmwill]

Ermmm, WTF was with OneHD not having the Post-race press conference?

[pgc]

Probably lost their satellite feed again. That was highly annoying.

[redline07]

Seemed that they didn't do them after having some questions on the podium?

[dmwill]

Probably lost their satellite feed again. That was highly annoying.

Yeah...probably got the feed back halfway though the interview and figured "Oh well, let's keep speaking to Alan Jones instead"

Didn't get to finding a live feed on the net in time either...Shall have to wait for something to appear on Youtube.

[TheChad]

I had everything streamed, 1HD is becoming such a joke...

Watching these replays on sky now, Maldonado just does not fucking leave room. Such a pingpingpingping. I was pissed off at how he pushed Kimi off in the same place, next time Perez left the room just like Kimi but didn't try and avoid the sped being stupid and aggressive.

Has to be punished, did it heaps in Valencia untill he tangled. Ham fisted idiot, is about as subtle as his head...

[Adr3naL1N]

So, where are the waterworks?

Good to see Alonso not be stupid about it and gave him room.

alonso's a great driver and knows when to yield/give room unlike some stupid potato thats pulled some shit the last two races.

i have grown alot of respect for alonso in my few years of following f1. i rate him now as my next preferred driver (Not counting ricciardo)

[Stealthed]

Awesome Race, although very pissed at the ad breaks and losing the feed!!!

Tops to Webber for winning, I rather enjoyed the drive between him and Alonso at the end!!

[anton]

once the feed dropped out the second time, they should have cut to break, that way it would have been back afterwards.

[Torquen]

Watching pre race with Lewis... he is a totally different guy this year. Its really good to see.

I actually said the same thing pre race tonight.

[mjp]

Raging at onehd. Feed problems, just get it back and cut to break. pingpingpingpings.

I never really understood this.. been streaming sky sports F1 trouble (and ad free for the whole race) free since 4pm not once did it break up!!
Me personally think its onehd BS excuse to get to the ads! :/

The interviews were conducted literally on the podium .. Sir Jackie Stewart was the MC..

[dmwill]

I never really understood this.. been streaming sky sports F1 trouble (and ad free for the whole race) free since 4pm not once did it break up!!

Streaming from where? All I have found is shitty pixelated 640x480 streams.

[Brockas]

Jesus Kamui.

I'll cry if Fernando loses this in the last couple of laps.
Hahahaha!


That Ferrari is just flawless. Faster on hards than RBR on softs. Fernando's going to be a 3 time WDC surely.
Hahahaha x2!!


Such a good result!!!

[fourseven]

Haha in my defence I did say earlier that he would surely be champion IF he wins this race.

[SimonR32]

LOL at Brockas trolling...

Was a good race, first few laps were epic.

Well done to Webber, anyone notice his starts are getting heaps better?

Alonso yet again showing he is probably the class of the field even though he didn't win

[Joe]

I'm so glad I don't follow a particular driver or team, makes me enjoy the F1 so much more.

That being said, I would absolutely love to see Alonso win the F1DC again this year, he is clearly the strongest all-rounder on the grid and has been for quite a while, even with sub-par machinery.

[SimonR32]

Need more of this.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/06/article-0-028ED90B000005DC-738_634x347.jpg

kobayashi wasn't enough?

[fourseven]

Did anyone else know that Lewis ran into one of his tyre guys in Valencia? Cut his leg open.

[Sleepy]

I'm sure TJ did.

[Lonewolf]

I'm sure TJ did.

No that was TJ cutting himself

[TJ]

Cutting only happened after Pastor Fuckhead was involved

[Jimmy_S]

Great race(for the most part)... Great result! :)

Mark is in form, and his battles with Nando are just brilliant to watch!.. So much faith and confidence in each others ability to race fairly... Love it!

[V70R]

On a side note. Listening to the legendary voice of Murray Walker during qually made my day.

Secondly, I may have missed it but what was with Red Bull's 'interesting' new paint job ?

[fourseven]

All the faces of people who have donated to the Wings for Life spinal cord injury research program that RBR promote at GBR being their home race.

[V70R]

Read back 3 pages.

I did, all I saw were posts about spastic Maldonado and TJ cutting himself ;)

[TJ]

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/22058/7884093/Conclusions-from-the-British-GP


the team took a wrong turn when Button lurched into crisis mode after Bahrain, taking a misguiding lead from a driver whose technical feedback they came to rely upon and implicitly trust last season but whose precise style runs kilter to this year's instability born of the ban on exhaust-blowing diffusers. An unneverving line from Mark Hughes' latest column into the team's ongoing demise is that 'when Button suggested a new direction after Bahrain, the team did not question it

Fuck Jenson Button, and fuck Martin Whitmarsh. Im out McLaren.

[fourseven]

Wow, but at the same time not surprised!

[fourseven]

Thanks to a couple of pingpingpingpings, we've still got 3 spare seats to the Jackie Stewart talk. Come at me!

[Stealthed]

Webber has Re-signed with Red Bull.

http://www.redbullracing.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Article/RED-BULL-RACING-CONFIRM-MARK-WEBBER-FOR-2013-021243232289802

It would have been stupid not to re-sign with them imo..

[Kaido]

Webber has Re-signed with Red Bull.

http://www.redbullracing.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Article/RED-BULL-RACING-CONFIRM-MARK-WEBBER-FOR-2013-021243232289802

It would have been stupid not to re-sign with them imo..

If Ferrari Drop Massa, My money is on Hamilton joining them, now Webber is out of the picture

[fourseven]

Ferrari will resign Massa if he puts in another 2 or 3 performances like Silverstone. They're now second in the WCC, and Ferrari will suddenly forget the last 2 years.

[TJ]

All I got to say is fuck Pastor and Jenson

[TheChad]

I'm not sure anyone with WDC hopes really wants to go to Ferrari. Alonso is the top dog there and thats how they operate, Hamilton is far to precious to play second fiddle. Also it does appear that fred is a better driver, at least in the current conditions where the tyres take so much work.

Someone like Webber would be better, more experience to drive development, and consistency to back up for the constructors.

Webber still wants a WDC, so I'm not surprised he stayed at RBR, given that Sebastian has won the last 2 WDC and they still let them battle it out at the start of this season. To marks advantage.


Also good news if Ricciardo stays on at Torro Rosso, if he improves and shows he's worth it he could be in for Marks seat in 2014... that is unless Mark wins this year or next and stays on for a few more :P.

[fourseven]

Yeah I don't get that either. Forget what RBR and their fans say, if Vettel stomps his feet Webber will get shit canned in order to advance Vettel's points standing, he's only a race win and a bit behind top spot. If RBR make the same mistake of backing a nobody vs a 2 time WDC like McLaren did then I hope they suffer the same fate.

[TheChad]

ferrari would be worse for that shit with Fred though... the only bonus for going to Ferrari is that you were a Ferrari driver, its still prestigious and comes with its own perks. and fanatical fans.

[Autopilot]

If Ferrari Drop Massa, My money is on Hamilton joining them

Pretty sure Fred would veto any such move. On a side note I'm personally disappointed that Mark has resigned with Redbull, Being a Fezza and Webber fan it would have all come together for me, Perhaps 2014 (one can only hope). Reality though is when RBR is done with Mark I'm sure he will be done with the sport so looking at it subjectively I think he will spend his last day racing F1 cars with the outfit.

[fourseven]

Can't see Webber to Ferrari now. Vettel has the option signed to go there for 2014 if they're competitive and even though F1 will be completely different by then I think we can all agree they're competitive right now.

Alonso has publicly stated he wouldn't have a problem with Hamilton at Ferrari. But make no mistake, Santander would make it very clear that Fred is number 1 and they are there until at least 2017. They pulled big dollars out of McLaren and became a minor sponsor when Fred left them and immediately sponsored Ferrari once he moved there. If Lewis can handle being a number 2 then sign the contract!

[Autopilot]

If Lewis left Mclaren I don't think they'd have much of a choice for a driver that would be a genuine WDC contender. I think Mclaren will just throw a lot of $$$ at Lewis to keep him there, that is if he is really considering a move.

[fourseven]

Consensus seems to be Whitmarsh isn't a huge fan of Lewis. The only thing probably keeping Lewis in the team is Ron beating his chest. I bet Whitmarsh thought he was onto a winner when Button won the WDC in a Brawn and promptly hired him.

As silly as it may sound, throw Massa in the second seat and he might perform at McLaren. Can't do any worse than Button right now! Maybe di Resta? I could see Mercedes asking McLaren to put di Resta up if they have to wait another year for Schumacher to retire again.

[Autopilot]

I actually feel sorry for Massa, My theory is someone should throw a spring at the back of his head and it might fix him back to his 2008 level.

[fourseven]

LOL! To go from almost winning a WDC to nothing is sad. But he's been Ferrari's bitch for a long time now. Imagine having to drive behind Schumi, then Kimi, now Alonso. He needs a clean break to rehabilitate his career. McLaren have hired lesser drivers.

[TJ]

Alonso has publicly stated he wouldn't have a problem with Hamilton at Ferrari. But make no mistake, Santander would make it very clear that Fred is number 1 and they are there until at least 2017. They pulled big dollars out of McLaren and became a minor sponsor when Fred left them and immediately sponsored Ferrari once he moved there. If Lewis can handle being a number 2 then sign the contract!

And then its 2007 all over again when they are both within microseconds of each other. Ferrari wont allow it.

[fourseven]

LOL I reckon Fernando would wipe the floor with Lewis at Ferrari, this year anyway. Lewis is a different driver as we all know. The risks and bullshit from 08 onwards get him nowhere these days.

We know that Ferrari aren't shy with team orders. Now they're legal, it would be a funny thing to watch!

[fourseven]

Jesus, James Allen has made comment that di Restra and Heikki are both up for Massa's seat.

[Brockas]

I was going to say that the only other driver in the field at the moment (other than Perez) who would be good for the Massa seat is Di Resta. He's begging for a competitive car, and although I think he's a bit arrogant and genuinely thinks he is the next Alonso, he is a bloody good driver.

Alonso and Hamilton at Ferrari. Will NEVER happen. There is no way Ferrari would risk having a inter-team driver battle like McLaren did, especially with their precious Fred.


Keen to see Di Resta v Alonso... To be honest, I'd like to see Sutil and Algesuari back in a car as well. Actually rate them as drivers, they both just got a bad break (of glass, in Sutil's case).

[TJ]

LOL I reckon Fernando would wipe the floor with Lewis at Ferrari, this year anyway. Lewis is a different driver as we all know. The risks and bullshit from 08 onwards get him nowhere these days.

We know that Ferrari aren't shy with team orders. Now they're legal, it would be a funny thing to watch!

Maybe last year. It is obvious Lewis has been driving as well as ever this year. Hard to assess given two totally different cars obviously.

We both know speed wise there is nothing in it