Talk about laws regarding P platers and performance cars

[Tom]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/woman-25-died-after-car-crash/story-e6frg12c-1226211636536


A Noranda man, 18, who was driving a Suburu WRX south along Peninsular Road, lost control of his car on a nearby right hand bend.

The car collided with kerbs before veering off onto the footpath, hitting the woman, her husband and the baby. The car then continued on to hit a wall and a sign.

I heard on the radio earlier today that they may be looking at introducing restrictions on P platers driving performance cars of a certain class.

I'd like to see something introduced for cars much like the laws with motorbikes.

[Skitzo]

FYI.... Pretty fun road.

[billk]

A couple years ago I would have pissed and moaned about this even though I had a 4cyl 4x4 for my first car..

As far as I'm concerned now days, I think it should happen. Too many heros with P plates in fast cars that aren't road smart

[Turbo2.6L]

Too many heroes in fast cars full stop. Ban needs to be imposed on ALL drivers until some form of motorsport or driving courses are completed, or you can show that you are competent. You don't magically turn into Ken Block when you reach 19 years old...

[Jumanji]

Too many heroes in fast cars full stop. Ban needs to be imposed on ALL drivers until some form of motorsport or driving courses are completed, or you can show that you are competent. You don't magically turn into Ken Block when you reach 19 years old...

QFT

[mr_mike]

banning/restricting performance cars is not the answer it never will be. DRIVER TRAINING its been harped on about plenty of time on here before and most ppl here shar ethe same opinion about it.
Do your theory, do practical lessons in as many conditions/locations as possible, defensive driving course, practical test get license and have a slightly better idea how a car will react.
Going by the pics of the accident involving the wrx it looks like hit the corner to fast, understeered shat himself and jumped on the brakes. If he had done a defensive driving course he may of kept a cool head and known to ease off the throttle enough to try regain front end grip

[Satan]

Driver Training is only half of it

there needs to be testing at the end

a certain level of skill reached

anyone can do training, pull out of the carpark and kill themselves

[Turbo2.6L]

If he wasn't driving an insane high powered baby killer, he wouldn't have been going too fast for the corner

Driver training should definitely be made mandatory for everyone. New drivers & existing license holders, with a refresher course every 10 years or so

[fourseven]

The driver is known to people on here. My suggestion is that nobody starts speculating on what happened as there is already enough trial by media going on.

[Gurney]

It's not the cars the people drive, it's their attitudes towards driving. You could put them in a R35 GTR or a Datto 120Y, either way they'll try and thrash the fuck out of it until they crash.

[TJ]

Time and place.

However, as of yet we have NO IDEA if this kid actually did something wrong.

Please keep that in mind.

[crabman]

Exactly. If he was driving a commodore, yes it may have slipped and gone off of the road earlier, but it may also have ploughed through someones lounge room and killed a family wathcing Neighbours.

[RICEY]

Too many heroes in fast cars full stop. Ban needs to be imposed on ALL drivers until some form of motorsport or driving courses are completed, or you can show that you are competent. You don't magically turn into Ken Block when you reach 19 years old...

Not good enough, too many fucking retards in normal cars. They need to implement a system where you must pass an IQ test to even get a license.

[RICEY]

Time and place.

However, as of yet we have NO IDEA if this kid actually did something wrong.

Please keep that in mind.

Bit hard to lose control doing the speed limit on a dry road if youre not doing anything wrong.

[Lump]

exactly, but we dont know the road conditions. could have been a oil slick or something else.

RIP & condolences to family & that poor little baby.

[TJ]

Bit hard to lose control doing the speed limit on a dry road if youre not doing anything wrong.

It does happen though.

Could have been car failure etc.

I dont know the kid so not defending him.

[duste]

Oil slick? Clearly it was a banana...

http://www.ucos.dk/myimages/Mario-Kart-Banana.jpg

Jokes aside, RIP.

I'm all for banning P-platers from high-performance cars it as a temporary option, but I do believe, as with many others here, that the long-term solution for owning high-performance cars (for those of ANY age) is the implementation of advanced driver training and regular (annual?) assessments (in your own car, which is what you'd be wanting the license for). Car's not running at the time of assessment? Oh well, your license is temporarily suspended until it's fixed, at which point you can get a permit to drive it to an inspection centre.

Yes, it's a lot of hassle for those of us who are competent drivers, but it would keep a lot of fuck heads out of high-performance cars, or at least off the road in them.

[mr top hat]

RIP & condolences to family & that poor little baby.

+1 RIP

What kind of Ridiculous speed was this guy doing to have a WRX Slip on him even stock in the rain they hold on to the road well.

or maybe he was getting a gobby at the time and lost it.

[Lump]

Oil slick? Clearly it was a banana...

lol, good 1

driver training is nothing without correct attitude & that is the hardest thing to change.

[fourseven]

He's just been charged with dangerous driving causing death.

[Lump]

whats his username on pwrx?

[TJ]

Ask on Perth WRX

[Buckets]

I had a 1985 1.3L Ford Laser for the first few months of my P plates. In all honesty it didn't stop me racing my school mates (in equally shitty cars) around the suburbs. The car could still hit 140km/h with 5 on board without too much trouble but stopping was the bigger problem (drum brakes). In all honesty I'd rather young drivers had something newer and safer regardless of power output than a decrepit old bomb that the Government says okay because it's got a little 4 cylinder.

I'm still here because I was lucky, the amount of times I nearly binned that car or one of the other guys nearly ran in to my car because we had no idea what we were doing behind the wheel says a lot to me. It's not the cars it's the loose nuts behind the wheel, training is a big part of the solution but not the silver bullet.

[Tom]

I do agree that banning isn't the solution. I think there should be some form of advanced drivers course with a test at the end, as mentioned above. If you complete, you get some mark on your license for life saying that you're competent to driver a car with a certain level of power:weight...

Dean's statement on not becoming Ken Block over night is dead right.

I don't mean to speculate what happened, as I'm sure the media is full of shit as per usual, but from looking on gmaps at the spot it happened, it was on the straight road after the corner. How does someone lose control of a WRX on a straight road without doing anything wrong?

[mr_mike]

lol antilag footage and logo on ch7 news again

[Brute]

Channel 7 managed to get footage from antilag into their news report on this tonight.

edit; red headed stepchild

[mr_mike]

soon as i seen the red 33 doing nuts recognised the footage then next shot is the famous glitter shitter swingin nuts wiuth antilag logo below it. What that has to do with the accident or even P plater restriction is beyond me

[fourseven]

I don't mean to speculate what happened, as I'm sure the media is full of shit as per usual, but from looking on gmaps at the spot it happened, it was on the straight road after the corner. How does someone lose control of a WRX on a straight road without doing anything wrong?

What if he swerved to miss another mother pushing a pram?
What if a dog ran out on the road?
What if god himself, came down from heaven, and grabbed hold of the steering wheel and gave it a flick?

The road in question has been complained about 100s of times. He probably was speeding, or doing something stupid. But let's not do exactly the thing we beat up on the media for - speculate.

[Lump]

I had a 1985 1.3L Ford Laser for the first few months of my P plates. In all honesty it didn't stop me racing my school mates (in equally shitty cars) around the suburbs. The car could still hit 140km/h with 5 on board without too much trouble but stopping was the bigger problem (drum brakes). In all honesty I'd rather young drivers had something newer and safer regardless of power output than a decrepit old bomb that the Government says okay because it's got a little 4 cylinder.
t.
discs on front, drums on rear :P

[Tom]

What if he swerved to miss another mother pushing a pram?
What if a dog ran out on the road?
What if god himself, came down from heaven, and grabbed hold of the steering wheel and gave it a flick?

The road in question has been complained about 100s of times. He probably was speeding, or doing something stupid. But let's not do exactly the thing we beat up on the media for - speculate.

Point taken.

[Stealthed]

RIP & condolences to family & that poor little baby.

+1, RIP. Very sad.

In saying that, I've always agreed that driver training should be required when you get your license much like Germany (Skid pans, instructors only). I think it was Mark Skaife who did a doco about it on the news one time, was quite good. I won't comment on what happened with the WRX though, as none of us were there and can't confirm whether it would be driver error or mechanical fault causing a loss in traction etc

[MattyP]

and since he has been charged with dangerous driving causing death, I'm sure we can eliminate that he was driving appropriately and within his limits.

[Buckets]

Innocent until proven guilty. Leave the judging for the courts.

[eScoRt20]

and since he has been charged with dangerous driving causing death, I'm sure we can eliminate that he was driving appropriately and within his limits.

you'd like to think that. even if someone jumped out infront of him while he was doing 50 and had no time to stop, would still get charged with dangerous driving causing death. charges mean nothing. convictions are what matter.

[JBAE]

If he had the brains to have an EVO he prols would have made the corner :P

Shit result regardless poor bitch leaving her kid motherless and what not not good.

[HIKARI]

Too many variable that the media did not cover

Was he drunk
Was he hooning
Was he trying to swerve away from something on the road subsequently lost control
Was he distracted while driving
Was the road condition poor
Did a component fail in his vehicle etc

On one note, i refused to have bbq on areas such as zig zags in kalamunda because there are too many kunts think they are ken block on the hairpins

[HIKARI]

Fourseven beat it to me

[esky]

Those questions will get answered at trial.

[RICEY]

What if he swerved to miss another mother pushing a pram?
What if a dog ran out on the road?
What if god himself, came down from heaven, and grabbed hold of the steering wheel and gave it a flick?

The road in question has been complained about 100s of times. He probably was speeding, or doing something stupid. But let's not do exactly the thing we beat up on the media for - speculate.

There's speculation, there theres forming an opinion based on logic. Unfortunately for the driver they both end with the same assumption in this case. I'll suck my own dick if Im proven wrong.

[fourseven]

If you're wrong, you can suck my dick xox

[RICEY]

Well now I hope im wrong.

[Risk10k]

Condolences to all parties, for the family of the recently departed and to the driver of the wrx - who will have to live with it for the rest of his life, even if not his fault.

[crabman]

Innocent until proven guilty. Leave the judging for the courts.

Pity laws are passed that go against this, IE Hoon laws.....

[TJ]

you'd like to think that. even if someone jumped out infront of him while he was doing 50 and had no time to stop, would still get charged with dangerous driving causing death. charges mean nothing. convictions are what matter.

Exact thing that happened to my mate.

[Lump]

Pity laws are passed that go against this, IE Hoon laws.....

thats cause 'hoon law' offences are fucall compared to this

[ForgedV6]

I know of a situation where a young (level headed, cautions person) bought a VP Wagon with nearly 400,000kms on it (all he could afford and needed to carry work gear). Diff seized at car went straight into a tree. He was fine but imagine if there were people where that tree was.

I remember in year 12 they had a speaker come out and talk to everyone about road safety and lectured everyone on the importance of a newer vehicle being the only option. I went to Wanneroo so a lot of people couldn't afford new cars. He didn't have an answer or solution for people who couldn't afford it.

Perhaps the Government should offer a first car owners grant to a limited vehicle type (N/A 4cyl). Maybe not offer, enforce it for the 12/24 month period.

I know its unrealistic but its an idea.

[Joe]

I know the driver of the wrx, he is a good friend and customer of mine. He is also a well liked member of the Perth WRX community and is a friend of several Antilaggers also.

Although young, he is a great, mature, level headed guy and unfortunately an incident has occurred that's ruined multiple lives, more than likely his also. Whether it was a pure accident or caused by other factors, we dont know and we probably won't for a while. One things for sure, great people aren't exempt from mistakes, or accidents in life.

In the mean time, please don't speculate or judge.. let the process run its course and then make your minds up. I know I won't be judging his character based on this, a mistake can ruin a person (or people in this situation), but it doesn't necessarily dictate what sort of person they are.

[Bomber]

+1 RIP

What kind of Ridiculous speed was this guy doing to have a WRX Slip on him even stock in the rain they hold on to the road well.

or maybe he was getting a gobby at the time and lost it.
When they are set up and maintained well they do.

I bought a stock (cept 3" TBE) 1999 WRX a few years ago. On the way home with it not even an hour later it broke sideways on me going around a corner after stopping at a red light. I was doing maybe 40km/h. Previous to this I had owned an 02 STI so I know what AWD will do and what it will not and having grown up in a rural environment I am not adverse to the odd sideways moment under power. Apparently ling longs with shit castor/camber will cause a very poor contact patch at the rear, leading to oversteer at even moderate speeds. To have this happen to someone after having a licence only a few weeks goes to show that there is NOT ENOUGH TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO OPERATE AN AUTOMOBILE both under normal circumstances and when the driver has lost control. It is far too easy to get a licence in this country, let alone having one test until you are old as fuck.

[Lump]

people couldn't afford new cars. He didn't have an answer or solution for people who couldn't afford it.
.
old volvo? but yeah thats life (& progress) unfortunately.

[TJ]

When they are set up and maintained well they do.

I bought a stock (cept 3" TBE) 1999 WRX a few years ago. On the way home with it not even an hour later it broke sideways on me going around a corner after stopping at a red light. I was doing maybe 40km/h. Previous to this I had owned an 02 STI so I know what AWD will do and what it will not and having grown up in a rural environment I am not adverse to the odd sideways moment under power. Apparently ling longs with shit castor/camber will cause a very poor contact patch at the rear, leading to oversteer at even moderate speeds. To have this happen to someone after having a licence only a few weeks goes to show that there is NOT ENOUGH TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO OPERATE AN AUTOMOBILE both under normal circumstances and when the driver has lost control. It is far too easy to get a licence in this country, let alone having one test until you are old as fuck.

Agree with that.

Poor choice is setup made me nearly bin my first dak at 40kmh in virtually a straight line. Wanted to snap the rear of the car around the second you come off the throttle with any steering input.

[mehow2g]

At the end of the day stupidity can be successfully executed in any car.

[Brett_J]

Honestly, and this is going to sound asshole like, but who the fuck cares how great this kid is or how much he helps old ladies across the road or reads to blind kids, if he was in the wrong and killed someone because of it, then it's all moot point. Trust me, none of this will matter to the Husband/Family or the baby when it grows up. My cousin of the same age was killed in a hit and run by a teenager pissy driving home when we were 21, the driver went home to bed and told his mum the next day as he was scared and panicked. At court he had letters from his Pastor, his old high school teachers and so on, was a pillar of the community pretty much, but none of that meant shit to us, my cousin who was just walking home from a party had been killed and was never coming back. All because of one mistake this kid made.
If he honestly was just driving and by freak of nature or something was out of his control and he had a terrible accident, then I feel sorry for him, but if he was driving like a fuckhead, then he gets whatever he deserves, regardless how nice he is. I'd expect the same attitude from everyone else if I did a dumb fucking thing and the same thing happened.
I honestly hope that he was just driving home/wherever and the car/environment was too blame, it'd be a shit thing to live with.

[Fryman]

for the internationally challenged, anybody can find the news article in video format on a news site?

[TJ]

If he honestly was just driving and by freak of nature or something was out of his control and he had a terrible accident, then I feel sorry for him, but if he was driving like a fuckhead, then he gets whatever he deserves, regardless how nice he is. I'd expect the same attitude from everyone else if I did a dumb fucking thing and the same thing happened.
I honestly hope that he was just driving home/wherever and the car/environment was too blame, it'd be a shit thing to live with.

Sums it up well.

[Torquen]

I'm all for P platers be restricted to low powered cars.

[Roobiks]

Every car goes fast enough to kill you/someone else.

The government should endorse free base level motorsports like motorkhana etc.
I haven't ever done a 'defensive driving course' and I don't think I need to, because I did motorkhana.
Case in point, on a empty road in the middle of nowhere late at night when I was on P's (and with no one else in the car I might add), I lost control (locked up on a steep downhill aproach to a corner) but was able to bring it back under control safely because I was practised in manouvering around cones with handbrake etc. Had I have not done motorkhana from about 16, I probably would have panicked and binned it into a tree or something. /csb

[mr top hat]

i did a defensive driving course.

it was shit the speed you did stuff was at 20kph so you had plenty of time to react.

i walked away quite dissapointed and felt i didnt learn anything

[skinkis]

Condolences to the families involved.

At the end of the day, yes, you can do stupid shit in a slow car too, however, it is easier and more tempting to go fast and push the boundaries in a quicker car.
Don´t think that restricting P-platers from fast cars will help much though, I think it is better to do what is done in Europe, once a year, every single car has to go over the pits where knowledgeable people go through the car. The amount of cars which don´t belong on the streets that are found during an inspection is quite massive.

It´s a pain in the arse for people with modified cars, but it also helps to get rid of people having cars with worn brakes, shitty suspension etc.

[Joe]

I agree with you Brett.

From where I am sitting, it was either an accident or a stupid mistake on his behalf. Being a nice person doesn't forgive anything and doesn't change anything.

Because I know him for who he is prior to this incident, it pains me to see his name being shot down on various car forums, and no one even knows what actually happened yet. If it was an accident, then so be it. If he made a mistake, he will pay for it in one way or another... including the life sentence of knowing he killed someone.

He's not a bad person is what I'm trying to say.


Honestly, and this is going to sound asshole like, but who the fuck cares how great this kid is or how much he helps old ladies across the road or reads to blind kids, if he was in the wrong and killed someone because of it, then it's all moot point. Trust me, none of this will matter to the Husband/Family or the baby when it grows up. My cousin of the same age was killed in a hit and run by a teenager pissy driving home when we were 21, the driver went home to bed and told his mum the next day as he was scared and panicked. At court he had letters from his Pastor, his old high school teachers and so on, was a pillar of the community pretty much, but none of that meant shit to us, my cousin who was just walking home from a party had been killed and was never coming back. All because of one mistake this kid made.
If he honestly was just driving and by freak of nature or something was out of his control and he had a terrible accident, then I feel sorry for him, but if he was driving like a fuckhead, then he gets whatever he deserves, regardless how nice he is. I'd expect the same attitude from everyone else if I did a dumb fucking thing and the same thing happened.
I honestly hope that he was just driving home/wherever and the car/environment was too blame, it'd be a shit thing to live with.

[ReaperSS]

I go fishin down the end of that raod all the time. Crazy caining it down there. Allways cops heading to and from the acadamy. Quite a few cops on bikes have come undone on that bend aswell.

[ReaperSS]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/driver-faces-shopping-centre-crash-charge/story-e6frg13u-1226212074728

[lowney]

I've done one of these "defensive driving" courses, walked away learning bugger all. Maybe it was just the course i did but they were teaching things like dropping back a gear to slow you down whilst going down a hill etc I did not learn anything in regards to if your car starts to slide what do you do. The things i have learnt in regards to regaining control of a sticky situation was through motorsport and skid pan days at AHG/RAC.

Thoughts are with the family of the deceased. I would honestly hate to be the driver at this stage having to live with this kind of thing on my shoulders.

[AGIT8D]

Exact thing that happened to my mate.

Are you talking about M.L?

RIP, tragic loss especially for the baby to grow up without a Mum..

[AGIT8D]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/driver-faces-shopping-centre-crash-charge/story-e6frg13u-1226212074728

Very silly. I just saw a friend post up that she hopes X X is okay so I went to his profile and his wall is littered with WTF's and are you okay's.. People saying he might be up for well over 100k of repair bills.

[Skitzo]

If you drink and drive
You're a bloody idiot.

[YOUR MATE]

Out the idiot. There's no excuse for drink driving.

[Jumanji]

I laughed at the news report on the radio this morning on 92.9 " P plater lost control of his car and killed a mother in the process, this was a turbo car"

Yes because having a turbo means you are going to kill someone

[V70R]

Damn!
Holy shit my killer Volvo has a turbo.
Come at me 92.9

[Jumanji]

Damn!
Holy shit my killer Volvo has a turbo.
Come at me 92.9

It was just such a stupid thing to say, they rambled on about P Platers and turbo cars for a minute or two blah blah blah shouldnt have one ect. So if a P Plater runs over someone with a Holden ( for example ) then that would be ok???? fucking morons.

[V70R]

^^ Agreed.
Of what relevance does a 'turbo' have to do with the story.

Not being defensive or bias, but most Volvos in the showroom today all run turbo engines, and they are considered by many as the safest family cars on the market.

[Jumanji]

Precisely, and I will assume that in light of this incident the government will look to pass legislation that will make P Platers not able to buy turbo/supercharged and V8 cars.

So they are left with V6's....

Ecotec
Twin Throttle body manifold
4.2L stroker kit
Cam
3.9's in the diff
Roller Rockers & Lifters
and a 75 shot of nos.

Would be good for a mid 11 so theres that theory busted.

Driver training is the key, end of discussion.

[ReaperSS]

best way to learn is buy a lappo and spend a year or two thrashin the hell out of it in the pines. We did that for yrs before i got my licence. The skills i learnt have saved me many times

[baz]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/driver-faces-shopping-centre-crash-charge/story-e6frg13u-1226212074728
What a pity this F..wit wasn't killed instead of the mother in Maylands.

[cactus]

Far out ... that is insane.

There is definitely a need for driver education etc. but as someone said earlier, a lot of young drivers have the wrong attitude - go out thinking they are king and can do as they please with no repercussions.

While banning P-platers from V8's, turbos etc. wont stop the problem, I think it will make a small difference and is a move in the right direction IMO. Other simpler options include increasing the difficulty of obtaining your licence, and having two driving tests, one to obtain L's and a more difficult one to obtain P's. But no one policy is going to fix the problem, they'll need some combination.

P.S. without knowing the guy - what a fucking retard. No sympathy for anyone drink driving.

[Turbo2.6L]

Drink driving was the cause of the 2nd accident mentioned, not the 1st.

[Jumanji]

Far out ... that is insane.

There is definitely a need for driver education etc. but as someone said earlier, a lot of young drivers have the wrong attitude - go out thinking they are king and can do as they please with no repercussions.

While banning P-platers from V8's, turbos etc. wont stop the problem, I think it will make a small difference and is a move in the right direction IMO. Other simpler options include increasing the difficulty of obtaining your licence, and having two driving tests, one to obtain L's and a more difficult one to obtain P's.

AHG Safety courses, as a mandatory test and lets say three of them ( 2 during L's ) and one after getting P's. THIS would help. But at the end of the day your not going to stop someones poor choices.

[cactus]

Drink driving was the cause of the 2nd accident mentioned, not the 1st.

Yeah I should have quoted the post above mine as thats what I was talking about :)

[duste]

Updates on the trial:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/teen-could-face-10-years-after-maylands-mums-death/story-e6frg13u-1226248491938


This morning a police prosecutor told the court they were forging ahead with plans for the matter to be dealt with in the District Court where a maximum penalty of up to 10 years jail applies for dangerous driving causing death.

The court was told if the case was dealt with in the Magistrates Court a maximum penalty of just three years jail would apply if Mr Mannucci were convicted.

For this kid's sake, at least, I hope it doesn't get taken to the District Court - 10 years is a bit extreme for something that was quite clearly an accident, and especially with him being so young.

[Lump]

send him to the district court

[Sciflyer]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/542878/WAgovtpwr2weight.JPG

This was on the State governments' own website until recently...

[mehow2g]

I think the amount of rules we have is the cause of it I can just see kids thinking when they are driving with their instructors or parents for 50 hours or whatever it is now "oh man I cant wait till I don't need a guardian so I can speed" the kids just act "safe" until they are free and since the tests and practice doesnt allow the kid to push a car to its limits to learn its limits then hes going to go into a corner at high speed when he finally gets off his P's and lose it.

[2JZA70]

Comment on the radio this morning.....they want "kids" to stop driving "V8s"...how many crashes last year were casused by a nasty scary big v8?

[duste]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/young-drivers-face-hot-car-ban-until-21/story-e6frg143-1226250231653


WA drivers will be banned from driving high-powered cars until they are at least 21, under incoming Opposition leader Mark McGowan.


Mr McGowan said the plan, which would be developed in the coming months, would apply to cars with supercharged or turbocharged engines or those with eight or more cylinders. Previously, Labor has only supported banning L and P-platers from driving V8 and other high-performance cars.

[shifted]

Can't be fucked offering a better licensing system/education - fix it by banning cars. Easy!

[Milhouse]

660cc Turbo Kei Car = Banned
Turbo Diesel Workute = Banned

Yeah seems logical.

[fsbk]

i don't think low power turbo diesels will be banned. that's if it is anything like the NSW, VIC system

[2JZA70]

its like the speed camara issues thinking it will save lives etc any car can do 100km/h + so if I drive a crappy 4 banger charade 100km/h and run into someone or crash into a pole I will survive better then if I crashed at 100km/h into a pole in a hipo car....

[Fukushima]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/542878/WAgovtpwr2weight.JPG

This was on the State governments' own website until recently...

Rob Johnson is currently waiting for the results of a study very very similar to the one above.

What's to bet the new study will have the *right* answers

[Lonewolf]

Monash university always come up with the right stats

[crabman]

i don't think low power turbo diesels will be banned. that's if it is anything like the NSW, VIC system

Dont chip-it have a 2wd ford ranger putting out about 250rwhp?? In this state with the abundance of 'cashed up bogans' would be funny to see this law come into effect and then an abundance of worked commonrail diesels getting around :P

[ED40]

Shits me how there are so many retarded comments about how young people can't handle a high powered car. In most cases it's true but fuck me, just because your 40 doesn't mean you can either!! Just as many useless and terrible older drivers. The only difference being, they are older and less likely to 'give it curry' and find themselves in dangerous situations.

I personally think that its a good idea for age restrictions for powerful cars.. yes you can speed in any car, my first car was a 1.8L corona which i thrashed, if I had a 300rwhp Commodore or Skyline I probably would have killed myself.

[dmwill]

Kinda fitting...

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/tennis/bernard-tomic-drives-into-trouble-again-in-his-bmw-on-the-gold-coast/story-fn7948t0-1226254549204

Going by the pic, I initially thought it was a GTS, but I see no cage/wing.

[F6Hoon]

Too many heroes in fast cars full stop. Ban needs to be imposed on ALL drivers until some form of motorsport or driving courses are completed, or you can show that you are competent. You don't magically turn into Ken Block when you reach 19 years old...

Bullshit!!!!!!!
I thought at 19 I automatically adopted ken block, in brackets as my second middle name?????

WTF???

Hans, your breaking my balls, your breaking my balls Hans FUCK!

[Madhav]

Time to opt for the engines out of the new 370z, or that new upcoming hyundai genesis V6. Still about 330-340 hp and NA. Throw a free flowing exhaust, intake, cams and a tune and then chuck it into a shitbox 700kg datto 120Y.

From there go ahead and crash it and injure someone. From there they will ban all V6 engines and only allow 4 cylinder.

From there repeat the whole scenario again with the engine out of the S2000 and throw it into an even lighter car. Again crash it. Again they will ban it.

From there chuck a high powered electric motor into another shitbox and make an EV sports car, and crash that, etc etc

[Ryan1080]

Well, the premier came out and said the following:


If 18 is old enough to go to war then it's old enough to drive a V8 car

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/is-ok-for-v8-cars-premier-barnett/story-e6frg13u-1226262138278

[schnoods]

Bloody hell, not often he says something i agree with.

Interesting, i reckon they should implement zero blood alcohol up to 21 and the whole v8 and turbo saga at 21 isnt too bad of an idea either as a couple of years experience under the belt helps but wont solve the problem, but reduce the stupid headlines that start these sort of arguements. Same with extra driver courses and education, they will help with less accidents but not safer driving IMO. I couldnt afford the insurance let alone a higher powered car until i was 21 (165kw xr8 is slow compared to today) so i dont see it being a massive issue with the masses.

couple of helpful sites with the RTA ban list which isnt too bad of a list as far as common sense is concerned.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/downloads/200909_prohibited_vehicles_list.pdf

article on Wallaby Beale being caught driving a mazda cx7 on p plates..
http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2011/07/28/p-plate-driver-restrictions/

[Tom]

I still feel a great way to approach something like this would be to introduce a sub-class license under C that anyone of any age has to apply for to be entitled to drive a high powered vehicle.

Whether a high powered vehicle is classified by power:weight ratio or if it's just turbo's/v8's. You would need to sit multiple practical tests/driver training days and possibly even a skid pan day.

[thrtytwo]

I reckon all drivers need to do a special test before they get their license. A hardcore day workshop. That teaches you how to indicate!

sick of dipshits indicating left or right and then going straight through a round about

or indicating correctly, but only bothering after they see an oncoming car about to enter the round about because they thought you were going to go straight

indicating is supposed to INDICATE what you are ABOUT to do, not supposed to come on once you are already making the move. Not so hard I would of thought, but evidently it is

[Alt_F4]

I still feel a great way to approach something like this would be to introduce a sub-class license under C that anyone of any age has to apply for to be entitled to drive a high powered vehicle.

Whether a high powered vehicle is classified by power:weight ratio or if it's just turbo's/v8's. You would need to sit multiple practical tests/driver training days and possibly even a skid pan day.
Shouldn't be age restricted, but otherwise agree.
Being older doesn't magically make you a better driver.

Hopefully it would coincide with a reduction in insurance premiums for high powered vehicles (dreaming I know, right?)