High powered police vehicles....fuck yeah

[Macca]

Think i will definetly be worried if these were chasing me

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/police-u-turn-on-powerful-cars/story-e6frg143-1226186500464 (http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/police-u-turn-on-powerful-cars/story-e6frg143-1226186500464)

[Mad_Aussie]

Commodore SV6 - Because race car

[Slow RB25]

I have an RB20... im worried!

[kiasu]

nsw cops were probs braggin to the perth cops while they were here for chogm about the cool shit they get over east..lol.

[Brett_J]

I saw a fully stickered up STi Sedan cop car the other day in Kenwick, surely thats a way better option than shitty xr6 turbos and sv6's.
Even non sti's would be better.

[Buckets]

Doesn't matter what they are driving. None of us own anything that can beat radio waves, if you get away and don't get a knock on the door or pulled over down the road it's not because your faster your just very lucky. Buying them flasher cars is a waste, give them Holden Cruise's

[Scaf]

Were all fucked.

[Azrian]

17" rims = high performance car

[-Josh-]

"Holden SV6 and Ford XR6 were fitted with bigger wheels and lower-profile tyres which provided the highest safety margin under extreme conditions, such as high-speed police pursuits."

Surely they could just get some Police factory package of a decent tyre, rim and brake package on XT or Omega? They get the FE2 suspension on their Omegas anyways don't they? Not sure about Falcons.

I agree with Buckets, give the majority diesel Holden Cruises, or Hyundai i30s. Especially in the city. Country patrol cars, maybe different.

[disc0-dan]

I find it funny that the reason they are buying these ( bigger rims and low profile tyres meaning increased safety ) is the same reason 90% of WA's yellow stickers are handed out...

[Turbo2.6L]

Wont last. Silly pingpingpingpings will bin all of them within 12 months & they'll revert back to poverty pack specials.
Absolutely too much powah in an SV6 to handle!

[winstor]

XR6 has same motor as the base XT and I think the Omega can have the same 3.6(?) as the SV6, so I don't see how they are more powerful cars? If anything they should use the money, as mentioned already, on upgrading stock suspension, tyres and better rotor/pad combos.

[duste]

If you can't beat them, join them?


"Holden SV6 and Ford XR6 were fitted with bigger wheels and lower-profile tyres which provided the highest safety margin under extreme conditions, such as high-speed police pursuits."

Surely they could just get some Police factory package of a decent tyre, rim and brake package on XT or Omega? They get the FE2 suspension on their Omegas anyways don't they? Not sure about Falcons.

I agree with Buckets, give the majority diesel Holden Cruises, or Hyundai i30s. Especially in the city. Country patrol cars, maybe different.

Just about to post the exact same thing - if the only difference is the wheels and tyres, as they say, then why not just upgrade them on their existing models instead of wasting a fuck load of tax-payer's money on more junk.

[Gurney]

So they're allowed bigger rims and low profile tyres, but if I put them on my car I'd more than likely get yellow stickered even if they were later on deemed road worthy? Yeah, right-o.

[Fozzy]

What a stupid comment Gurney. They are OEM equipment not some 20 dollar chrome tempes.

Also re the costing. I cant see a XR6/SV6 costing much more to lease than the current base models. They say they wont be in service till june which would indicate they are going to replace them as the current leases end. Effect on the current budget would be minimal in the scheme of things.

[fourseven]

Cheaper I've heard. New day, new deals etc.

Small step toward appeasing the unions request for cars better suited to the job. Everybody wins.

[Ryan1080]

Headline is misleading. Unless they're turbos or V8s, they're the same 6 pot engines as their current cars yeah? So why are they calling them 'high-powered'? Sure, better wheels and suspension = better handling/performance, but power? Or did I miss something...

For a moment I thought we'll be back in the good old days ten years ago when they had V8s, and subsequent auctions where you can score a cheap one...

[-Josh-]

Omega would have the 3.0L, SV6 3.6L.

Replacing bumpers a lot more with the SV6s and Xr6s too. Bumpers are a disposable item on a Police car too.
Hopefully whoever replaces Rob Johnson is a lot better at the job. Not that, that is too much to ask.
"Mr Johnson, the Police and Fire and Emergency Services Minister, is understood to be aware his days in Cabinet are numbered and is negotiating to become Speaker if he retains his seat of Hillarys in 2013."
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/news/11290648/cabinet-shuffle-and-splits-loom/

[Gurney]

What a stupid comment Gurney. They are OEM equipment not some 20 dollar chrome tempes.If $20 chromies is your first thought of changing your wheels and tyres, I'd love to see your car.

[fourseven]

For a moment I thought we'll be back in the good old days ten years ago when they had V8s

I had the same thoughts when I read the headline!

[kiasu]

fawk yeah canary bt1's

[The_Hunster]

Police union organised a track day trial event at barbagallo pitting the xr6 turbo's which WAPOL lost to 10% budget cuts, against the current family-spec VE commodores and FG falcons that are current 'pursuit vehicles'. The results were absolutely embarrassing, especially for the the Holdens which were beaten comprehensively in every test by both the NA falcons and even more so by the xr6 turbos...

[1JZVL]

High Performance :O



But dynamic testing showed the Holden SV6 and Ford XR6 were fitted with bigger wheels and lower-profile tyres which provided the highest safety margin under extreme conditions, such as high-speed police pursuits.


Um okay, so "testing" showed that bigger wheels and "lower profile tyres" (as opposed to grippier/softer?)..shiiit, I was waiting for them to go on about lowered suspension etc.

Contradiction city.

[pgc]

WA Police has a 140km/h (speed) cap so it's not about raw power and getting from 0km/h to 100km/h in four seconds. It's about safety," Mr Italiano said.


So if they're in a chase and hit 141km/h, they call off the chase? Or if they get your speed using a radar, they won't exceed 140km/h when they're after you to pull you over?

Yeah, right.

[Tocchi]

Police union organised a track day trial event at barbagallo pitting the xr6 turbo's which WAPOL lost to 10% budget cuts, against the current family-spec VE commodores and FG falcons that are current 'pursuit vehicles'. The results were absolutely embarrassing, especially for the the Holdens which were beaten comprehensively in every test by both the NA falcons and even more so by the xr6 turbos...

the amount of FG XR6T's with turbo damage was high too ... {csb} back in the day i was pulled over in the FG, and the cops were telling me about how all the turbo cartridges in the 3540's shat themselves at a track day for WAPOL {/csb}

[dmwill]

Added to the fact they still filled the XR6T's with 91....PING!

[Lonewolf]

So if they're in a chase and hit 141km/h, they call off the chase? Or if they get your speed using a radar, they won't exceed 140km/h when they're after you to pull you over?

Yeah, right.

I believe 140k's is what normal police are allowed to do, then can get some clearance to go a bit faster after talking to duty senior, after a certain point only persuit trained police can go faster

[pgc]

That makes sense I guess.

[Bomber]

I believe 140k's is what normal police are allowed to do, then can get some clearance to go a bit faster after talking to duty senior, after a certain point only persuit trained police can go faster
They are also supposed to call off the pursuit if the offender goes onto the wrong side of the road, however, as above I suspect that they could get the same clearance from higher up if required.

[Phyber]

The "sporty" vehicles have better resale compared to the base models, and if they get them for bargain basement prices and move them on fast enough...cost bugger all come sale time.

PS: Thanks for my Turbo fellas! Goes hard.

[mav_vlt]

im more worried about the fact that they are going back to more motorbikes on the road. eek

[TJ]

Why?

[2jzlux]

Easier to hide behind a tree on a bike?

[TJ]

Easier to hide a black box I woulda thought.

[mr_mike]

A Honda ST1300 isnt gonna chase down much unless its in a straight line

[Fozzy]

They handle better than you would think Mike.

[quadeyquade]

I wonder how heavy a fully loaded cop spec ST1300 weighs. would be massive.

[mr_mike]

They handle better than you would think Mike.

what about in full police trim? would still get up an move no doubt but not talking litre sports bike performance

[Faz]

Over east i seen one Nail it in the city, Fuck they get up and go

[Fozzy]

Yeah even in full police trim. With a good experienced rider. I reckon most people that ride litre bikes wouldnt be able to get away or would crash trying to hard.

[V70R]

I find it funny that the reason they are buying these ( bigger rims and low profile tyres meaning increased safety ) is the same reason 90% of WA's yellow stickers are handed out...
^^
THIS

Double standards much ?

But on a different note,
WAPOL already have a handful of new WRX STi's in their fleet.
I was expecting some new GTR's or more STI's - not "My Family" cars

[fourseven]

I think you missed Fozzy's post about OEM vs aftermarket.

[Lamy]

Police heli > any of your cars

[Rhys]

WA Police DO NOT have STi's on fleet, they are only normal WRX sedan/hatch's

[j3rk]

I believe 140k's is what normal police are allowed to do, then can get some clearance to go a bit faster after talking to duty senior, after a certain point only persuit trained police can go faster

Always wondered about this? Might have been in a few situations 'in a friends car' where cops have come up fast after initiating chase when said speed limit was being past. Always just assumed they didn't care about said limit and prooving they were doing more was a waste of time?

[DTM-031]

Yeah even in full police trim. With a good experienced rider. I reckon most people that ride litre bikes wouldnt be able to get away or would crash trying to hard.

Thought bikes weren't allowed to engage in pursuits because it's too dangerous?

[V70R]

WA Police DO NOT have STi's on fleet, they are only normal WRX sedan/hatch's
Come to my work and I'll show you. I work across the road from their HQ.

[MadDocker]

Always wondered about this? Might have been in a few situations 'in a friends car' where cops have come up fast after initiating chase when said speed limit was being past. Always just assumed they didn't care about said limit and prooving they were doing more was a waste of time?

This. Just like the chase is always conveniently called off only moments before bad/fatal accidents.

Either way, you'd be lucky to get away without them seeing your plates so would be expecting a knock on the door anyway.

[Jumanji]

This. Just like the chase is always conveniently called off only moments before bad/fatal accidents.

Either way, you'd be lucky to get away without them seeing your plates so would be expecting a knock on the door anyway.

Theres many ways around that.

[MadDocker]

Sure is but it's not as if you ditch the car or park it up and never hear from the cops again. They will bang on your door and investigate, not just forget about it because they lost the street race.

[fourseven]

This. Just like the chase is always conveniently called off only moments before bad/fatal accidents.


Conveniently? Chases are usually called off when an offender does something stupid. Doing something stupid at high speed in a car while trying to run from Police usually ends up bad. There is nothing convenient about it.


Always wondered about this? Might have been in a few situations 'in a friends car' where cops have come up fast after initiating chase when said speed limit was being past. Always just assumed they didn't care about said limit and prooving they were doing more was a waste of time?

If they are carrying out their duties (following someone, chasing someone, trying to catch up etc) Police are exempt from the Road Traffic Act. Generally this means they don't have to follow the speed limit.

[j3rk]

^ To clarify I was referring to their "140km/hr chase limit".

[MadDocker]

Sure thing... I have absolute faith in WAPOL and doubt they would ever claim to have pulled out of a chase resulting in a fatal accident to avoid scrutiny.

I'm guessing doing so isn't standard practice but some of the chases go on for a decent amount of time through several suburbs and presumably the offenders aren't driving miss daisy with the cops chasing them. In most news reports involving cars crashing during a police chase it happens just after police call off the chase. I know if I were being chased and started doing things crazy enough for the cops to call it off, when they stopped chasing me I would be getting out of there and probably ditching the car asap. Not continuing with increasingly crazy antics until I crashed and died.

[fourseven]

Sure thing... I have absolute faith in WAPOL and doubt they would ever claim to have pulled out of a chase resulting in a fatal accident to avoid scrutiny.

I'm guessing doing so isn't standard practice but some of the chases go on for a decent amount of time through several suburbs and presumably the offenders aren't driving miss daisy with the cops chasing them. In most news reports involving cars crashing during a police chase it happens just after police call off the chase. I know if I were being chased and started doing things crazy enough for the cops to call it off, when they stopped chasing me I would be getting out of there and probably ditching the car asap. Not continuing with increasingly crazy antics until I crashed and died.

I'm still not sure what you are trying to get at.

Everything can be seen from the communications centre. When a chase is aborted, it means that Police are to return to a designated speed limit and to downgrade their urgent duty driving status. It doesn't mean that they are to pull their vehicle over and have a smoko. They are still allowed to follow, and often other vehicles will race ahead to intercept. If the offenders return to driving "safely" the chase is often resumed, and it continues until someone is in custody, lost sight of, injured or dead. Ever considered that once Police slow down the offenders increase speed and drive more dangerously to put some distance between them and the cops?

If Police are ordered to abort and they don't, management know about it thanks to the AVLs. Speed, turns, acceleration rates are all there.

[The_Hunster]

^ To clarify I was referring to their "140km/hr chase limit".

When police have followed your "friends car" after you've presumably flown by them well over the speed limit, the point where they then accelerate to follow after you is techinically called "vehicle interception" and not a police chase. Whilst in the 'interception' phase police do not have to radio in that they have a vehicle failing to stop and thus are not legally bound by the various 'chase' policies. Once they have intercepted the vehicle and initiated their lights and sirens and it has become overtly obvious the vehicle is not stopping, a chase must be called in over the radio and only pursuit qualified drivers may continue up the 140km/h limit unless given special exemption by duty inspector.

[MattyP]

Come to my work and I'll show you. I work across the road from their HQ.

If you're talking about the blue WRX sedan, with dash and rear mounted Police lights, antenna, cf wrap bonnet and private plates (which is the dead give away that it's not a Police car)... it's a privately owned car. It's parked across from Police HQ all the time, and a mate from the Sunday Times approached the driver about it and the owner told him he dressed up his car with Police gear so 'hoons wouldn't race him'.
Added to that, I asked the head of traffic if there are any STi's / other 'high performance cars' in their fleet and he said that it's a load of bs.

[TJ]

There are bulk WRX's rolling around, some in full police livery.

The "Sti's" are simply WRX's with Sti badging. Fuck knows why they do it.

[Ryan1080]

Cops put on sti badging on a wrx for further hoon bait...

[mattyb89]

what about the white vx with the ls1 that they have no spoiler on stock pitch black tint and full of cop gear with full exhaust and cold air intake

[Fozzy]

What about the r32 gtr with a highmount, FMIC, Lowered, debadged, big exhaust, dark tint and heaps of stickers that my mates brothers uncles cousins grandma told me about?

[skidkid]

There are bulk WRX's rolling around, some in full police livery.

The "Sti's" are simply WRX's with Sti badging. Fuck knows why they do it.

Have parked next to one of the Sti's in the city (grey one). It was a genuine sti as far as i could tell - 6 speed, brembo's ect, with dash lights and police parking pass.

[Macca]

No the police do not have cars which the general public dont know about

[Mad_Aussie]

http://www.indypendent.org/wp-content/photos/large_woman_tin_foil_hat.jpg

[Mike Hunt]

Have parked next to one of the Sti's in the city (grey one). It was a genuine sti as far as i could tell - 6 speed, brembo's ect, with dash lights and police parking pass.

Yup, I saw this one out front of work during CHOGM.

[Brett_J]

There are bulk WRX's rolling around, some in full police livery.

The "Sti's" are simply WRX's with Sti badging. Fuck knows why they do it.

Do the standard WRX's have the front pumped guards with the vent thingy at the back?
The one I saw in kenwick did.

[DRKWRX]

yeah seen grey one with lights gunning it up forrest hwy!

[Risk10k]

http://www.indypendent.org/wp-content/photos/large_woman_tin_foil_hat.jpg


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