9/11 - 10 years on (almost)

[TJ]

Wow,

10 years already.

Far all intents and purposes, it probably is fair to say it is a day that changed our world. 3000 died on the day, and countless thousands of others in the aftermath.. its still going to this day. Its pretty much bankrupted America.. which is what the terrorists wanted .. just it took a bit longer than expected.

Do you remember where you were when it went down? What are your memories?

I was on my first teaching prac (Warwick Senior High) preparing classes when Rove was cut off to show a plane crash in New York. Maybe 15 minutes later, the second plane hit. I stayed up till 4am watching the crazyness after that.

I remember the next day at school - teachers stunned, students stunned, myself stunned. Classes were cancelled and we spent the day talking about it all.

http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2118756062/9-11-The-Day-That-Changed-The-World-Ep-1

A good watch while it is still available online.

[Mister Two]

I was driving my car to uni. I never normally had the radio on. But for some reason today I did. News came over the radio and my jaw dropped.

[skinkis]

Sitting in an apartment in Spain, hungover like a motherfucker. Turned on TV and couldn´t believe what I was seeing. Thought I was still drunk or dreaming.

Still such an unbelievable event, almost like it´s been taken from a shitty movie.

[anton]

was on IRC (i think AFARCC chan #allfours?) when someone came in and said its World War 3, and told everyone to switch the channel to ABC

[TheChad]

Was at primary school. Mum woke me up crying. Pretty ridiculous, while we wait for the conspiracy theorist posts (I'm a fence sitter on this one) I just think it's pretty sad to think back to all the people falling etc, none of them deserved it. Probably.

[Adr3naL1N]

i was also sitting at home watching rove, i was in year 11 at the time. At first i thought it was just a qucik news break and kinda tuned out, then after it going on for about 5 mins i thought this is weird, this is a very long break, so i tuned in and after watching for about a minute i realised the seriousness of it all. This was before the 2nd plane hit. Then all of a sudden the 2nd one hit followed by the one at the pentagon and united 93 in the field in pennsylvania. The mood at school the next day was very dark and its all evryone was talking about.

Was in New York in july and went and checked on the site. Not alot had changed that i could see since being there 2 years earlier in 09. The new trade centre was starting to come up, and the parks around and museum was taking abit of shape. But still New Yorkers were walking around going about their daily business. Im sure on the day of the 11th this sunday it may be a little different.

The firestation that lost the most fighters was just round the corner from where i stayed, massive plaque's up paying respect to them all.


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Lot of tourists stop by here.

RIP to all those lost. It was unfair and today we still mourn

[INSINR8R]

Was watching Rove when it cut to what was happening. I thought it was an accident. Then live right in front of my eyes, another plane hit. I was shocked. It was very surreal, I didn't think something like this could ever happen.

I went to school the next day (Warwick SHS, never saw you there TJ :/) and it's all everyone wanted to talk about. Wagged after first period to the shops, in K-mart was watching the news on the tv's.

It sucked. I think about it now and I hate thinking that that one day has caused so much grief, pain and suffering to so many people. Now you hear about bombs killing innocent people, soldiers dying on the front line, children never making it to their next birthday. And for what? Some stupid religious thing on the part of extremists?

They kill their own people and blame it on the US. Pathetic. Religion is the root of all evil, not money.

R.I.P

[Socrates]

being 8 years old at the time i was asleep for year 4 the next day.
As I'm told my dad was watching greek tv channels and it came on and my dad thought it was some movie and called mum in so she could see.
I remember seeing the news replay the plane crashes over and over and watching "the war on terror" at school lunch times.

[Passage GT]

i was playing a game online, was only one other person on at the time and they remarked 'wtf, someone just flew a plane into the wtc'
i just thought some dude was site seeing in a cessner and had taken out a tower aerial or something and never thought more of it.
went out of my room to get a drink and the old man was watching it on tv, pulled an all nighter in shock watching it after that.

[morgazmatron]

I was at home semi watching tv/doing homework, the phone rang and i answered it. My dad told me to turn the channel to ABC was asking why I thought there might have been a good show on or something. He then yelled and me to change it and he hung up. I had no idea what i was watching thought it was a movie or something. Was a good few mins before i realised what was going on.

Then the 2nd plane hit.. Gotta be honest felt like i sank through the floor. Was unbelievable. Kept watching the coverage and then watched both towers collapse, that was a pretty empty numb feeling. Seeing that in real time was horrible. Then stayed up til dunno what hour but late late. Went to school the next day (year 11, churchlands) everyone was talking about it. Actually there wasnt all that much talking in the morning but it was the only thing we were talking about. Horrible to think about it, now even. So much loss of life in one hit. RIP

[TJ]

http://lightbox.time.com/2011/09/08/911-the-photographs-that-moved-them-most/#1

http://lightbox.time.com/2011/09/07/revisiting-911-unpublished-photos-by-james-nachtwey/?iid=lb-late2#1

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[fourseven]

Fuck Rove! I was watching Lois and Clark with some year 12 chick from school. Bitches love Dean Cain. Thanks to those fucking terrorists, I never got my end wet that night.

[monk_13]

Was kicking back with the the Mrs having a bourbon n watching a DVD. Switched the DVD off with the intention of starting some form of sexual shenanigans when we saw the second plane hit. Fell asleep unsatisfied in front of the telly watching it all.

[Frenchy]

Was driving a 793 up a ramp in the Superpit on nightshift. People on the 2 way trying to call up dispatch and the dispatch op telling everyone to "shut up and turn on ABC on your radios!"
Was a pretty surreal experience hearing all the updates live on the radio. MY GF at the time called me up and was shitting herself as she was scared it was going to start a WW3 of sorts, I was more concerned with her chucking a tape into the VCR and recording all the footage on the news.

As far as the truth of it all (ie: conspiracy) I'm leaning towards the conspirators. Soooo much information out there that makes you think a little too much about it all.
Regardless, the fear & sounds of the bodies hitting the pavement through some of the footage from docos is enough to send chills down your spine for ever.

[Sevan]

I was in year 11, due to go away on a white water kayaking camp the next morning. a mate called me up and told me to switch on abc. i remember thinking the first plane must have been a horrible accident. then the newsreader said "oh my god" and turned to the tv behind him just in time to see the second plane hit. spent the next 5 days on camp worrying that the next plane we saw fly overhead was headed for a tower in perth (didn't really grasp the logisitics and futility of a terrorist attack on perth).

10 years later I hold a degree from Murdoch Uni in Security, Terrorism and Counterterrorism and i'm putting it to good use working as a security consultant. A degree that probably wouldn't have existed if not for the Sept 11 attacks.

[900]

+1 for watching rove. they had some text roll along the bottom of the screen first then the parentals changed it to abc. scary shit.

[magic1]

It happened 10 years ago. It's americas excuse for a lot and thats just not the case. Usa is bankrupt not because of 911 but due to greed and the assumption that investments must be worth more every day of ownership.

Ps. Im over it.

[Damo 69]

Trying to watch the season finalle of stingers and they stopped it with 15min to go. Fucking terrorists ruining everything

[Nickevox]

Trying to watch the season finalle of stingers and they stopped it with 15min to go. Fucking terrorists ruining everything

Same as me! was pretty peeved about missing the ending.

[duste]

Personally I was pissed off when it happened - couldn't even watch cartoons, ruined my 11th birthday! On the other hand, it now means no one ever forgets my birthday. :D

It definitely was a terrible series of events though.

[adrenalin]

Also watching rove. Next day we had school camp so yea no sleep that night.

Agree on religion. There are extremeists in every religion.

[big o]

I was on my way home form tight ass tuesday at the movies, my mate simon called me about 11pm roughly and said the arabs have gone nuts, turn the tv on it's on every channel, I got home in time for the second building to be hit. Didn't get any sleep that night, was glued to the tv.

[Lump]

^it happened on a monday night here dude
RIP to all the innocent victims - every death would have been a terrible way to go.

[mr_rotary]

^^ Tues night as I still remember as I was at the AFARCC club meeting and had gone to Alfreds after. It wasn't till I came home to see it on the news. I thought it was a movie at first until we flicked channels to see it on all of them. Then the second plane hit the tower. I remember giving my mate a call who at the time worked for Channel 10 to see what the hell was going on.

[adrenalin]

It was tues night.

[Lump]

sorry, stand corrected.

[INSINR8R]

I can't stand these conspiracy theories. All the videos on "irregularities with the physics of the planes hitting the buildings" or the whole "the government set this all up in an effort to go after oil.

It's all bullshit. They claim as the towers fell, puffs of smoke can be seen coming out of the windows below, so had to be C4 charges planted on each floor. Yeah nah, it's called built up pressure blowing out the windows and the air escaping. Or how about the "flash" before the planes hit each tower could be another C4 charge? Could there be something against the wall as the nose of the planes hit the buildings? Maybe electrical stuff? Or the whole "the second plane didn't blow up until it was pretty much completely inside the building." Yeah, because a plane heading towards a solid object at 700km/h is going to explode as soon as the nose touches the wall. Or the "unexplained equipment under the fuselage of the second plane." Landing gear.

There may be evidence that the government knew something may have happened. But something like this, on the magnitude of devastation it created could not be thought up by the people in charge at the time. Al Qaeda had several plans on what to attack, the NY subway system, the White House, the Pentagon, Hollywood. But they did what the knew would cause the most devastation.

[Wozzernux]

Was watching the season finale of Lock/Stock on ABC, then a breaking news report popped up. Also thought it was a film or publicity stunt of some sort!

[adrenalin]

as for crippling the economy. They did it to themselves lending people that couldnt afford to repay their debt and giving loans to people without jobs. Always was going to turn to shit.

[ForgedV6]

I was 14 and in year 9 at high school at the time. I was watching Rove however I went to bed just before it switched to the incident. Woke up obvious to it all. Went to school and everyone was talking about it. I was still completely unaware. My form class were all taken to our library and watched the news for the entire morning. Last few classes all we did was discuss it.

[dmwill]

Had just gone to bed..or getting ready for bed. Dad rushed in to tell me a plane had crashed into the WTC. Started watching TV then head Mum come home from a P&C meeting at school. Rushed outside with Dad to tell her...she asked, "What movie are you two watching?"

Stayed up till 2am watching TV.

[MISS 13B]

Yep Tuesday night, sitting there watching Rove and all of a sudden, broadcast was interrupted to make way for the news.
I was only young at the time so I didn't fully understand the situation at first.

Absolutely no doubt, that day changed the world and all the succeeding world events forever.

[Jumanji]

At the time the first tower fell I was on school camp and watching Independance Day, watching the Whitehouse blow up. Scary shit.

[Joe]

I was on mIRC talking to half you pingpingpingpings on some car channel (can't remember which one it was now), and found out from there.. turned the TV on and was glued to it all night.

Still feels like yesterday, and I still believe that its a conspiracy.

One day we'll find the answer, and I believe part or all of that answer lies in WTC Building Number 7.. look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.

[[Jacek]]

I was also watching Rove at the time. I actually didnt know what the WTC was until it was already burning. When my uncle called my house and told me to wake my parents up, thats when I started thinking World War 3 etc etc

[Buckets]

Watching Rove and saw it, being 14 at the time I wasn't quite sure what has going to happen but I remember thinking America will go in, kill everyone and sort it out, 10 years on they are right where they started and no one has the same if any respect for the US they used to IMO.

I remember the day before fucking around on Flight Simulator 2000 during aeronautics and crashing a plane in downtown NY...

The terrorists won, partly thru there action and partly thru our own. The world is such a nice place anymore.

[Mad_Aussie]

Still feels like yesterday, and I still believe that its a conspiracy.

One day we'll find the answer, and I believe part or all of that answer lies in WTC Building Number 7.. look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.

But why would you question the official story? It's not like they lied about anything...

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A lot of people died that day for a very poor reason, and I just can't believe how many people still believe the official story.

[Ryan1080]

I was playing Counterstrike, then my parents yelled out when whatever they were watching got interrupted. That was still before the second tower got hit. At first I thought it was just some terrible accident. Then we saw the second tower hit, straight away made you realise it's all on purpose... I didn't expect the towers to collapse though, seeing that happen on tv was just unbelievable!

[SimonR32]

I was playing Counterstrike

Terrorist Wins

[Mad_Aussie]

Terrorist Wins

Fuck! Lol!

[mys1]

10 Years - jokes acceptable now right?

[Ryan1080]

Terrorist Wins

LMAO!!

I'm going to hell :(

[beatle]

I was on the net browing sublime directory when my mate popped up on MSN telling me to turn on the TV as it was WW3. was pretty crazy, tuned in just as the 2nd plane was coming in.

[aussievr4]

Was no one watching southpark? I remember the first episode finished then was waiting for the next one to start but the news wouldnt go away so I was like this is shit and went to bed. Old girl woke me up later and told me WTC had a plane put through it. Thought hmm thats pretty crazy world war 3? then went back to sleep.

[esky]

Guy i was at at uni with, watched the coverage for a few hours and went to bed, cos the movie was a bit boring...

[PSI 304]

I was 12, so I was in bed at that time. Woke up in the morning, Mum and Dad already gone to work, turned on the TV, saw all the constant replays, was late to school by half an hour...but my class was watching it all anyway.

[Riggs]

Got ready for school, sat down to watch a bit of TV. All channels showing the attacks, turned of TV went to school early and abused the arab kid in my form class for his tea towled cousins ruining my morning TV ritual.

[S133LTR]

Had fox back then and me and my housemates' watched the yanky news channels through out the night as it happened. Watching people jump to their death live was pretty sad.

[PSI 304]

Seeing the footage of people jump to their death and hearing the noise as they hit the concrete is something that will never leave me as long as i live. Spine chilling stuff.

[S133LTR]

I can remember the reporters talking as they were zoomed right in on people starting to jump.. they were so busy commentating on what was happening that they didnt realize what was going on till the poor pingpingpingpings were out the window and falling then just "oh no...ooohh..." and silence. They showed people jumping for a good hour before they stopped showing it IIRCC.

[Ryan1080]

Seeing the footage of people jump to their death and hearing the noise as they hit the concrete is something that will never leave me as long as i live. Spine chilling stuff.

That is just bad. I always wondered what it was like for a person, to make that decision to jump. When you're faced with that prospect of either burning/suffocating to death, or smashing to the ground, fuck me dead, but I don't ever want to be in a position to make that choice. It was probably even worse for the people in the north tower, seeing the south tower collapse, that added an extra 'choice' into the death mix...

[Tones]

Chatting to a chick online when shensaid to turn on the tv. Called dad thinking ww3 was going to start and I was going to be forced into the army. Remember think WTF is happening.

[INSINR8R]

For the WTC7 Myths.

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[Mad_Aussie]

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[kalais6]

I remember I was out with a mate when I got a sms from a friend saying a plane had crashed into the WTC - dropped in at my mates place as we were close and just sat there stunned. Smashed it home and just sat glued to the tv and watched that second plane hit - thats an image that stays with me. My then gf's mum was round and shes from the US and she just sat there crying.

[TJ]

Can you retards leave your agends out of this thread.

[INSINR8R]

It's gonna get brought up TJ. It's inevitable.

[TJ]

There is a similar discussion on another forum I am on - 6 pages in and the nutbags have yet to break the "leave the agendas out of this" rule - it isnt that hard really.

[Roobiks]

I hate the conspiricies when it comes to mass loss of life. It cheapens it all.
Believe it or not, the American government doesn't actually hate its people.

[newbie101]

I was stuck all alone in THE mess of single mens camp on a farm out in the wheatbelt. Was fkn surreal sitting there in the dark all alone watching it on foxtel (had no regular TV reception out that way) with no one else to talk to about the impending end of the world.

Got up the next morning and headed to work a little early, looking forward to talking to someone about it, and all the bumpkin locals had been asleep and no one knew what had happened. Ended up filling my ute tray with locals and driving back to the mess and turning the telly on so the half dozen farm hands could see what had happened.

[INSINR8R]

I'm disgusted by those who claim its a cover-up. Thousands of people died. Millions of lives affected and a bunch of retards come along and try and point the finger at the government, saying they're trying to destroy their own people. People saying the planes are fake, or that the towers were rigged to blow or firefighters were paid off to keep the truth a secret. These men and women gave their lives to try and rescue people and this is what these conspiracy theorists go and do?

For shame.

[Joe]

No cover up.. it happened, we all know that. Planes crashed into buildings, thousands died. WHY did this happen though? We don't know exactly.. and this is where theories come into it.

I just believe there is more to it, and 10 years later we're still not full bottle on what happened.. why not? I have no idea why not. I want to know more. Nothing is ever as it seems IMHO.

[Tre-Cool]

I hate the conspiricies when it comes to mass loss of life. It cheapens it all.
Believe it or not, the American government doesn't actually hate its people.

lol, just like how the australian government loves us....

[Roobiks]

..Because the Americans would never plan a staged attack on their own people, to justify a conflict with a foreign power...

Oh wait.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Op Northwoods itself is a conspiracy.
Just because one conspiracy supports another, doesn't give either more viability.

[Roobiks]

lol, just like how the australian government loves us....
Different story all together. That's our (read: yours.. I didn't vote for the bitch) fault for employing Ronald fucking McDonald as PM.

[Roobiks]

No cover up.. it happened, we all know that. Planes crashed into buildings, thousands died. WHY did this happen though? We don't know exactly.. and this is where theories come into it.

I just believe there is more to it, and 10 years later we're still not full bottle on what happened.. why not? I have no idea why not. I want to know more. Nothing is ever as it seems IMHO.

That's the thing Joe, we know exactly why this attack was carried out against the US.

[flamo_damo]

No cover up.. it happened, we all know that. Planes crashed into buildings, thousands died. WHY did this happen though? We don't know exactly.. and this is where theories come into it.

I just believe there is more to it, and 10 years later we're still not full bottle on what happened.. why not? I have no idea why not. I want to know more. Nothing is ever as it seems IMHO.

Well said.

I think I was in year 8 when this happened, couldn't believe it actually still can't now. It's just crazy how 1 day has changed the world so much.

[TJ]

Ill make it simple - if you cant discuss it without going off on tangents, Ill stop you from discussing.

The question was - what were your memories of the day, not "put your fucking tin hat on and tell me who did it and why"

[ben351]

I was in Bali at the time drinking my self stupid at the Sahri club and trying to get my hand up a 32yr old British chicks skirt ... stagger back to my room and flicked the tv then watched it thinking it was a movie or some shit ... woke up the next day telling my room mate how cool the movie was and he was like uhhh dude that wasnt a movie

[DJ84WA]

Doesnt seem like ten years on. Time has flown by. :(
Was watching "The Bill" at the time, was about to head off to bed until the show was cut off.
Next minute there was a building being shown with huge headlines running across the bottom of the screen.
At first everyone was wondering if the TV station had fucked up like they do now and again.
Until we switched over to a few other news channels (foxtel ftw)
We all quickly realised what was going on. Actually watching with your own eyes as a second plane flew into the building was crazy.
It almost looked fake. I ended up spending most of the night watching it all unfold.
Then spent all the next day glued to the radio waiting for updates.
RIP to those that lost thier lives.

[JBAE]

watching it on abc witht he sketchy reports starting to roll in, the grand mother thinking it was some movie, then the 2nd plane lunched tower 2 and the realisation of it being game on for terrorist shenanigans! then watching the controlled implosions take effect and the towers come down was a real WTF moment, nect day at school being all excited about the pending shitstorm to ensue!

[coFF33]

was laying in bed watching rove live
9pm or so from memory...

URGENT BROADCAST stuff started scrolling accross the screen i was like WTF , this shit aint bloomberg, im not watching the news. fuck off.

Then rove went to adbreak and never came back on for like 4 days .

I remember seeing it and telling my mum about it at the time who was downstairs
we sorta sat there saying it wasnt real for an hour or so...

then we found that every other channel had it on. and suddenly it became apparent that it was real and what was happening was a real eye opener.

Back then i never really cared much for america, or didnt understand how every other country in the world copied them all the time in everything they do...

I didnt even really know what the WTC buildings were for, or why they were so important.

But to see planes hit them at full pelt was like a proper bruice willis movie or some shit.

I know this isnt a thread about if it was staged or not. I still dont believe its all that the media/foxnews/US Government tell it to be. Theres too much secret info and answers to be had. Maybe for basic thinking american people that cant even point out australia on a map it seems plausable, but everyone else in the world who knows more than how to goto work and home and eat and shit. Can see the flaws in all that was showen to the public.

Its a sad day and will hopefully be a historic moment for whenever i accidently have kids, they can learn about in school. Maybe by then the whole "terrorist" thing will have past and the real info about what went on that day can be taught to people who want to learn about it.

Its also sad that its changed the world to be so over policed and politically correct especially living in Australia and being the USA's little brother country. It affected our generation more than ever.

3000+ Americans lost their lives when the planes hit, way more than 4000+ have lost their lives fighting the Arab countries for power and oil with the belief that they're fighting the people that harmed their country.

it changed the world in a different way to the world war 1 + 2, but has definitely changed it for the worse.

[KyeBidz]

Ill make it simple - if you cant discuss it without going off on tangents, Ill stop you from discussing.

The question was - what were your memories of the day, not "put your fucking tin hat on and tell me who did it and why"

TJ Knows the truth! He is one of them, YOU CAN'T SILENCE US!

[Adr3naL1N]

same, i didnt know what or ever heard of the WTC until then, but could see it was a huge skyscraper and was in the middle of NYC and the business district. So from there i knew it was very serious and shit was gonna hit the fan.

[TJ]

You guys had never heard of the WTC bombing in 1993?

[INSINR8R]

Yeah, parked a van full of explosives under the north tower and detonated. It didn't have the desired effect as it killed 6 people, they hoped it would cause a domino effect and topple the building on to the south tower, not giving any time for people in either tower to escape.

[Lump]

You guys had never heard of the WTC bombing in 1993?
youtube wasnt invented then.

[Jumanji]

You guys had never heard of the WTC bombing in 1993?

Only through Biggie Smalls's songs.

[Lonewolf]

my biggest recollection of the buildings was from the simpsons "you want khav kalash?"

I think I was watching rove also, then stayed up all night watching the coverage in disbelief, couldnt stop.
Skipped uni the next day

[Tom]

I was 8 at the time. I remember waking up at about 6.30 and turning on channel ten expecting to see Cheez TV.

Yelled out to mum, she came in the room and just said "Oh my god...."

Remember it like it was yesterday.

[James_2007]

when i first seen it had happened i was watching stingers.
had the writing down the bottom saying some planes have been hijacked

[TJ]

youtube wasnt invented then.Wut?

[Adr3naL1N]

You guys had never heard of the WTC bombing in 1993?

possibly, i dont really remember if i knew about it back then, was pretty young in 1993. only 8

[Tre-Cool]

i honestly cant remember what i was doing at the time, all i do remember is my mate rang me to tell me to turn the tv on, i said which channel. he says doesnt matter it's on all of them.

Then i watched the 2nd plane hit, watched a few repeats, then went to bed and slept like a baby.

[ossie_21]

Was in year 11 during work experience, was just watching Channel V on foxtel & about 5mins away from going to bed when it came across the screen about a terrorist attack on America & to turn to sky news for details. Turned it over & couldn't believe what was going on, didn't see either planes hit but bulk replays before the first tower collapsed.

Also noticed when they said about the Pentagon, first reports was that a truck/van drove into it & exploded, then a day or 2 later people say it was a plane...conspiracy theories ever since!

[Tre-Cool]

whethor it was government enabled or not, begs the question as to why the fbi confiscated video/security camera footage from buildings near the pentagon when that particular building was "struck". when if released would back up their claims.

Is it any wonder No one, not even their own civilians trust the government any more.


It's a bit like the dodgy shit they say they did with the body of O'sama bin laden.

yes, we have his body, the mastermind behind the september 11 attacks is dead, we killed him....

NO YOU CANT SEE THE BODY. Trust us it's him okay.....

were going to give him an see burial, so know one ever knows the truth..

[Macca]

I was playing microsoft Flight Simulator at the time.

[INSINR8R]

I was playing microsoft Flight Simulator at the time.

Flying in New York I gather?

[Macca]

Flying in New York I gather?

No

I was actually being serious

[INSINR8R]

Awkward.

[fourseven]

whethor it was government enabled or not, begs the question as to why the fbi confiscated video/security camera footage from buildings near the pentagon when that particular building was "struck". when if released would back up their claims.

1. Try taking photos of a secure location. Go down to Campbell Barracks and bust out the camera... come back and tell us what the result is.
2. Evidence and clues.

I haven't had the opportunity to ban anyone yet because I'm a nice guy, but I'm going to start banning pingpingpingpings who turn this into a conspiracy thread.

Mad Aussie... I'm watching you carefully xox

[schnoods]

Chilling watching 60mins and the interview of the 2 french guys that caught the original footage of the first plane crashing, also seeing footage inside of the first tower when the 2nd tower came down and everyone ducking for cover, chilling stuff. Also felt for the New york fire chief who still cant get over having to send his brother up (also a fiery) to help evacuate the building to send him to his death.

Such a chilling event, Im sure everyone knows where they were and what they were doing when the first found out or saw the live images.

[Tre-Cool]

1. Try taking photos of a secure location. Go down to Campbell Barracks and bust out the camera... come back and tell us what the result is.
2. Evidence and clues.

I haven't had the opportunity to ban anyone yet because I'm a nice guy, but I'm going to start banning pingpingpingpings who turn this into a conspiracy thread.

Mad Aussie... I'm watching you carefully xox

without trying to carry on with the conspiracy deal.. to answer your post the difference would be, the building cameras were over a mile away, thus they werent exactly camera's focused on a secure government building.

[Lump]

Wut?
slight dig at people getting their education from you tube

[Lump]

i saw it on the tv very early on, 1st plane had crashed into the wtc, but commentators said it was a cesna or small plane accident.

went to bed & woke up to one of the biggest shocks of my life, my favourite buildings were gone before i got to see them in real life & of course all the dead & injured.

kinda still feel bad for sleeping thru it.


whethor it was government enabled or not, begs the question as to why the fbi confiscated video/security camera footage from buildings near the pentagon when that particular building was "struck". when if released would back up their claims...
page 1 of this thread 1st foto.

http://www.antilag.com/forums/showthread.php?23280-9-11-wtc-pentagon-conspiricies&highlight=pentagon


make a new thread if you want to discuss it further, cause i dont think anyone here wants to get banned.

cheers

[fourseven]

without trying to carry on with the conspiracy deal.. to answer your post the difference would be, the building cameras were over a mile away, thus they werent exactly camera's focused on a secure government building.

Who knows what range the video had? Interesting though.

As cranky said, everyone should keep the conspiracy chatter to that other thread.

[crabman]

Doing homework, noticed what had come to be on the abc, watched it flat out until a few hours after both towers had fallen and figured it couldnt get much worse. Went to bed wondering what it was going to be like living through a world war. Luckily it never eventuated. Was a changed person after seeing those people jump from the building, the whole time they weere burning I wondering why there weren't helicopters getting people from the roof.

[JBAE]

found this interesting
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-07-15/us/new.york.ground.zero.ship_1_ship-archaeologist-ground-zero?_s=PM:US

[crabman]

Thats pretty crazy, they didn't just back fill with dirt/rock, just sank ships and shit to fill the void. So they have been wasteful people since the beginning :P

[duste]

Thats pretty crazy, they didn't just back fill with dirt/rock, just sank ships and shit to fill the void. So they have been wasteful people since the beginning :P

Yeah, pretty odd they didn't have a few excavators and cranes back in the 1700s to move a few hundred tonnes of dirt/rock for landfill. :P

[crabman]

The egyptians built pyramids and they had had black pingpingpingpings heading there by the boat load for one purpose, slavery. Surely they could have done more than just sink shit.

[Mad_Aussie]

Mad Aussie... I'm watching you carefully xox

Well in the spirit of the thread then - and because I'm not really out to piss anyone off, I do remember the morning going to school pretty well and seeing it all on the TV. I wasn't paying attention to any TV's or anything the night before, and the quick glimpse I got of it on TV before heading to school just made it look like Today was reviewing some new action movie. Didn't sink in at all until I got on the bus, and the radio was pretty much solely covering the news live, and everyone was talking about it. Was pretty surreal.

[TJ]

Interesting perspective, IMHO, from Chris Hedges on Truthdig.

It's a long read :)


A Decade After 9/11: We Are What We Loathe

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/nationalism_in_the_aftermath_of_9_11_20110910/

Posted on Sep 10, 2011

By Chris Hedges

I arrived in Times Square around 9:30 on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. A large crowd was transfixed by the huge Jumbotron screens. Billows of smoke could be seen on the screens above us, pouring out of the two World Trade towers. Two planes, I was told by people in the crowd, had plowed into the towers. I walked quickly into the New York Times newsroom at 229 W. 43rd St., grabbed a handful of reporter’s notebooks, slipped my NYPD press card, which would let me through police roadblocks, around my neck, and started down the West Side Highway to the World Trade Center. The highway was closed to traffic. I walked through knots of emergency workers, police and firemen. Fire trucks, emergency vehicles, ambulances, police cars and rescue trucks idled on the asphalt.

The south tower went down around 10 a.m. with a guttural roar. Huge rolling gray clouds of noxious smoke, dust, gas, pulverized concrete, gypsum and the grit of human remains enveloped lower Manhattan. The sun was obscured. The north tower collapsed about 30 minutes later. The dust hung like a shroud over Manhattan.

I headed toward the spot where the towers once stood, passing dazed, ashen and speechless groups of police officers and firefighters. I would pull out a notebook to ask questions and no sounds would come out of their mouths. They forlornly shook their heads and warded me away gently with their hands. By the time I arrived at Ground Zero it was a moonscape; whole floors of the towers had collapsed like an accordion. I pulled out pieces of paper from one floor, and a few feet below were papers from 30 floors away. Small bits of human bodies—a foot in a woman’s shoe, a bit of a leg, part of a torso—lay scattered amid the wreckage.

Scores of people, perhaps more than 200, pushed through the smoke and heat to jump to their deaths from windows that had broken or they had smashed. Sometimes they did this alone, sometimes in pairs. But it seems they took turns, one body cascading downward followed by another. The last acts of individuality. They fell for about 10 seconds, many flailing or replicating the motion of swimmers, reaching 150 miles an hour. Their clothes and, in a few cases, their improvised parachutes made from drapes or tablecloths shredded. They smashed into the pavement with unnerving, sickening thuds. Thump. Thump. Thump. Those who witnessed it were particularly shaken by the sounds the bodies made on impact.

The images of the “jumpers” proved too gruesome for the TV networks. Even before the towers collapsed, the falling men and women were censored from live broadcasts. Isolated pictures appeared the next day in papers, including The New York Times, and then were banished. The mass suicide, one of the most pivotal and important elements in the narrative of 9/11, was expunged. It remains expunged from public consciousness.

The “jumpers” did not fit into the myth the nation demanded. The fate of the “jumpers” said something so profound, so disturbing, about our own fate, smallness in the universe and fragility that it had to be banned. The “jumpers” illustrated that there are thresholds of suffering that elicit a willing embrace of death. The “jumpers” reminded us that there will come, to all of us, final moments when the only choice will be, at best, how we will choose to die, not how we are going to live. And we can die before we physically expire.

The shock of 9/11, however, demanded images and stories of resilience, redemption, heroism, courage, self-sacrifice and generosity, not collective suicide in the face of overwhelming hopelessness and despair.

Reporters in moments of crisis become clinicians. They collect data, facts, descriptions, basic information, and carry out interviews as swiftly as possible. We make these facts fit into familiar narratives. We do not create facts but we manipulate them. We make facts conform to our perceptions of ourselves as Americans and human beings. We work within the confines of national myth. We make journalism and history a refuge from memory. The pretense that mass murder and suicide can be transformed into a tribute to the victory of the human spirit was the lie we all told to the public that day and have been telling ever since. We make sense of the present only through the lens of the past, as the French philosopher Maurice Halbwachs pointed out, recognizing that “our conceptions of the past are affected by the mental images we employ to solve present problems, so that collective memory is essentially a reconstruction of the past in the light of the present. … Memory needs continuous feeding from collective sources and is sustained by social and moral props.”

I returned that night to the newsroom hacking from the fumes released by the burning asbestos, jet fuel, lead, mercury, cellulose and construction debris. I sat at my computer, my thin paper mask still hanging from my neck, trying to write and catch my breath. All who had been at the site that day were noticeable in the newsroom because they were struggling for air. Most of us were convulsed by shock and grief.

There would soon, however, be another reaction. Those of us who were close to the epicenters of the 9/11 attacks would primarily grieve and mourn. Those who had some distance would indulge in the growing nationalist cant and calls for blood that would soon triumph over reason and sanity. Nationalism was a disease I knew intimately as a war correspondent. It is anti-thought. It is primarily about self-exaltation. The flip side of nationalism is always racism, the dehumanization of the enemy and all who appear to question the cause. The plague of nationalism began almost immediately. My son, who was 11, asked me what the difference was between cars flying small American flags and cars flying large American flags.

“The people with the really big flags are the really big assholes,” I told him.

The dead in the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania were used to sanctify the state’s lust for war. To question the rush to war became to dishonor our martyrs. Those of us who knew that the attacks were rooted in the long night of humiliation and suffering inflicted by Israel on the Palestinians, the imposition of our military bases in the Middle East and in the brutal Arab dictatorships that we funded and supported became apostates. We became defenders of the indefensible. We were apologists, as Christopher Hitchens shouted at me on a stage in Berkeley, “for suicide bombers.”

Because few cared to examine our activities in the Muslim world, the attacks became certified as incomprehensible by the state and its lap dogs, the press. Those who carried out the attacks were branded as rising out of a culture and religion that was at best primitive and probably evil. The Quran—although it forbids suicide as well as the murder of women and children—was painted as a manual for fanaticism and terror. The attackers embodied the titanic clash of civilizations, the cosmic battle under way between good and evil, the forces of light and darkness. Images of the planes crashing into the towers and heroic rescuers emerging from the rubble were played and replayed. We were deluged with painful stories of the survivors and victims. The deaths and falling towers became iconographic. The ceremonies of remembrance were skillfully hijacked by the purveyors of war and hatred. They became vehicles to justify doing to others what had been done to us. And as innocents died here, soon other innocents began to die in the Muslim world. A life for a life. Murder for murder. Death for death. Terror for terror.

What was played out in the weeks after the attacks was the old, familiar battle between force and human imagination, between the crude instruments of violence and the capacity for empathy and understanding. Human imagination lost. Coldblooded reason, which does not speak the language of the imagination, won. We began to speak and think in the empty, mindless nationalist clichés about terror that the state handed to us. We became what we abhorred. The deaths were used to justify pre-emptive war, invasion, Shock and Awe, prolonged occupation, targeted assassinations, torture, offshore penal colonies, gunning down families at checkpoints, massive aerial bombardments, drone attacks, missile strikes and the killing of dozens and soon hundreds and then thousands and later tens of thousands and finally hundreds of thousands of innocent people. We produced piles of corpses in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, and extended the reach of our killing machine to Yemen and Somalia. And by beatifying our dead, by cementing into the national psyche fear and the imperative of permanent war, and by stoking our collective humiliation, the state carried out crimes, atrocities and killings that dwarfed anything carried out against us on 9/11. The best that force can do is impose order. It can never elicit harmony. And force was justified, and is still justified, by the first dead. Ten years later these dead haunt us like Banquo’s ghost.

“It is the first death which infects everyone with the feelings of being threatened,” wrote Elias Canetti. “It is impossible to overrate the part played by the first dead man in the kindling of wars. Rulers who want to unleash war know very well that they must procure or invent a first victim. It needs not be anyone of particular importance, and can even be someone quite unknown. Nothing matters except his death; and it must be believed that the enemy is responsible for this. Every possible cause of his death is suppressed except one: his membership of the group to which one belongs oneself.”

We were unable to accept the reality of this anonymous slaughter. We were unable because it exposed the awful truth that we live in a morally neutral universe where human life, including our life, can be snuffed out in senseless and random violence. It showed us that there is no protection, not from God, fate, luck, omens or the state.

We have still not woken up to whom we have become, to the fatal erosion of domestic and international law and the senseless waste of lives, resources and trillions of dollars to wage wars that ultimately we can never win. We do not see that our own faces have become as contorted as the faces of the demented hijackers who seized the three commercial jetliners a decade ago. We do not grasp that Osama bin Laden’s twisted vision of a world of indiscriminate violence and terror has triumphed. The attacks turned us into monsters, grotesque ghouls, sadists and killers who drop bombs on village children and waterboard those we kidnap, strip of their rights and hold for years without due process. We acted before we were able to think. And it is the satanic lust of violence that has us locked in its grip.

As Wordsworth wrote:

Action is transitory—a step, a blow,
The motion of a muscle—this way or that—
’Tis done; and in the after-vacancy
We wonder at ourselves like men betrayed:
Suffering is permanent, obscure and dark,
And has the nature of infinity.


We could have gone another route. We could have built on the profound sympathy and empathy that swept through the world following the attacks. The revulsion over the crimes that took place 10 years ago, including in the Muslim world, where I was working in the weeks and months after 9/11, was nearly universal. The attacks, if we had turned them over to intelligence agencies and diplomats, might have opened possibilities not of war and death but ultimately reconciliation and communication, of redressing the wrongs that we commit in the Middle East and that are committed by Israel with our blessing. It was a moment we squandered. Our brutality and triumphalism, the byproducts of nationalism and our infantile pride, revived the jihadist movement. We became the radical Islamist movement’s most effective recruiting tool. We descended to its barbarity. We became terrorists too. The sad legacy of 9/11 is that the assholes, on each side, won.

[fourseven]

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

>


Action is transitory—a step, a blow,
The motion of a muscle—this way or that—
’Tis done; and in the after-vacancy
We wonder at ourselves like men betrayed:
Suffering is permanent, obscure and dark,
And has the nature of infinity.

End of the day, the US couldn't sit down and do nothing. The initial action after 9/11 gave Bush the highest approval rating for any President in the history of the USA. and for good reason.

[Tre-Cool]

he's fucking right though..

it could have become a movement for peace the world over and perhaps something for them reflect on (i.e why did they get targetted), but in typical fashion it became an excuse for the american's to extend their empirical reach.

[fourseven]

If the approval rating sky rocketed as a result of the initial war, what do you think would've happened if the government didn't react? Are you telling me that if the same shit happened here, you would be quite happy for the Australian government not to mobilise the military?

[Tre-Cool]

No, they could mobilise what ever the fuck they wanted, but they would have to give clear objectives to the australian people on what they expect to achieve.

end of the day the yanks invaded afghanistan, which was a sovereign country recognised by the UN. yet most of the so called hi-jackers were either pakistani's or saudi citizens. They were not taliban members or afghanistan citizens.

Besides big bad Osama was the CIA's pin up boy during the 80's, when they left him and his fighters out to dry once the russians stopped trying to push in to AG. how does the saying go. You reap what you sow.

the biggest problem american had and still has, is they go on about democracy and that they will help bring it to countries and shit, yet their biggest "allies" in the middle east are all Dictatorships.

[fourseven]

end of the day the yanks invaded afghanistan, which was a sovereign country recognised by the UN. yet most of the so called hi-jackers were either pakistani's or saudi citizens. They were not taliban members or afghanistan citizens.


They were all trained in Afghanistan, in Taliban camps, from 1999. All of them moved to the USA ~2 years later. One of them had been there for longer fighting the Afghan soldiers.

[TJ]

But it is a good point - The US trained and funded Bin Laden when it suited them, then left him out to dry.

He didnt forgive or forget either.

[JBAE]

ALLAHU AKBARRRRRRRRRR

[JBAE]

end of the day it was a big FUCK UP inside job or not the fact is the vicinity of 3000 people paid for some other fcukkers ideals where it be a way into a war or anti america BS and khunts are still paying for it, thats what is disgusting

[fourseven]

Another load of journalistic bullshit.

The CIA funded and trained the Afghan mujahideen. OBL was apart of the Afghan Arabs (foreign mujahideen), who arrived ready to fight alongside the Afghan mujahideen, already funded and already trained. OBL's wealth far exceeded that of any funding the CIA gave to the Afghans.



1. with a quarter of a million local Afghans willing to fight there was no need to recruit foreigners unfamiliar with the local language, customs or lay of the land
2. that with several hundred million dollars a year in funding from non-American, Muslim sources, Arab Afghans themselves would have no need for American funds
3. that Americans could not train mujahideen because Pakistani officials would not allow more than a handful of them to operate in Pakistan and none in Afghanistan;
4. that the Afghan Arabs were militant Islamists, reflexively hostile to Westerners, and prone to threaten or attack Westerners even though they knew the Westerners were helping the mujahideen.


OBL himself has said in one of his many crackpot video's that the US played no role in the downfall of the Soviets in the area. Al-Qaeda leaders have agreed. If anything, OBL's hatred towards the US is probably a result of the refusal by the CIA to train and fun foreign fighters, forcing him to dip into his own pocket and source money from other willing Arabs.

Knights Under the Prophet's Banner... buy it, read it. Makes for very interesting reading from the other side of the fence.

[Mad_Aussie]

ALLAHU AKBARRRRRRRRRR

Anyone who makes jokes about 9/11 are just plane wrong.

kek.

Oh and btw

http://i.imgur.com/xUkV2.jpg
As BLAA just said, this is the atrocious thing. What happened 10 years ago was awful, regardless of the finger-pointing. However, those 3,000 deaths can not and can never justify the bloodloss since. It's disgraceful, and it's just a shame that the world hasn't learned a damn thing from it.

[fourseven]

Mad_Aussie, showing that he would have a fine career as a spin doctor with any political party.

Those 2977 deaths are the result of a direct attack by the enemy.
Those 132,000 deaths AREN'T a result of a direct attack by the USA. Civilian deaths at the hand of the USA are significantly less.

Nice try though.

[Mad_Aussie]

Those 132,000 deaths AREN'T a result of a direct attack by the USA. Civilian deaths at the hand of the USA are significantly less.

So women and children killed indirectly by a conflict are less important statistically than people who died all at once in one attack?
No spin doctoring about that mate. The yanks have been pulled up time and time again for killing civilians and non-combatants. Entire towns and villages have been destroyed by stray ordinance. There's gun-cam videos of them specifically targeting non-combatants. I just don't know how you can possibly justify that.

I understand people's reservations about discussing the conspiracy/ conspiracy theories around the event. But how you can say that the hundred thousand plus dead civilians is "spin" is just beyond me.

[fourseven]

But how you can say that the hundred thousand plus dead civilians is "spin" is just beyond me.

I wasn't referring to the deaths... I was referring to the bullshit image you posted.

[Mad_Aussie]

I'll find a pie chart for you next time. You're right, bar graphs are bullshit. Pie graph would certainly have displayed the figures in much less of a bullshit way.

Mate, I seriously don't understand your gripe there. If I where to have posted a link to some obscure part of the UN human rights council website with the same figures, would that be any less bullshit for you? Or is it simply that drawing a correlation between 9/11 casualties and casualties during a 10 year conflict as a direct result of that incident is bullshit to you? Because I honestly don't see your problem.

[fourseven]

Let's cut the crap. You're quite happy posting anti-American bullshit and conspiracy crap all over the forums, and you posted that graphic as if every single one of those causalities is a result of USA bomb, bullet or otherwise. If you want to be taken seriously find a graphic that compares every casualty at the hands of each participant. Include Americans, Australians, British, Pakistani, Afghanis, Iraqis, local and foreign rebels, security forces and police.

[Mad_Aussie]

Let's cut the crap. You're quite happy posting anti-American bullshit and conspiracy crap all over the forums, and you posted that graphic as if every single one of those causalities is a result of USA bomb, bullet or otherwise. If you want to be taken seriously find a graphic that compares every casualty at the hands of each participant. Include Americans, Australians, British, Pakistani, Afghanis, Iraqis, local and foreign rebels, security forces and police.

If that's the way you interpreted that graph and my post, then fine. I can assure you I didn't state "All these deaths were directly from American forces", all I'm noting is on the deaths themselves. I couldn't give two shits if it was directly an american who killed one of those people or a taliban who used them as human shields. Had not we invaded these countries, these people would not have died as a result. That's the point and the only point I was making there. If you want to find a reason to have a go at me, find a better one, because I took the advice previously and was not trying to stir the pot with that post.

[Tre-Cool]

while not targetting the american's for my next point and probably completly off topic, but are you aware of the casualty rates of libyan civilians while nato was bombing the shit out of them.... all under the guise of protecting them.

[fourseven]

If that's the way you interpreted that graph and my post, then fine. I can assure you I didn't state "All these deaths were directly from American forces", all I'm noting is on the deaths themselves. I couldn't give two shits if it was directly an american who killed one of those people or a taliban who used them as human shields. Had not we invaded these countries, these people would not have died as a result. That's the point and the only point I was making there. If you want to find a reason to have a go at me, find a better one, because I took the advice previously and was not trying to stir the pot with that post.

As I said, little less anti-American spew and I wouldn't be wondering what the fuck you're playing at. Getting back onto the topic...


Had not we invaded these countries, these people would not have died as a result.

Forgetting for the moment that before the war, the Taliban regime and Suddam have years of history of slaughtering their own people for simply not following their government's rule or for believing in a different faith, what would you have the US do instead after the terrorist attack?