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daedalusjc
13-07-2011, 01:34 PM
Hey all thought i'd put up some random shit about the unloved colt.

Started out wanting another 4x4 after the turbo Subaru Sherpa and ended up cruising past Osborne park mitsubishi one day and saw this ugly mofo of a car. Straight away i loved it and its rather hideous looks so $24g later drove it out for the first time. 5 minutes later pulled over in a carpark and the boost pill was straight out aswell as cranking the wastegate actuator up a touch. i knew the warranty would be pointless anyway. So drove around for 20000km with a boring 92 fwkw.

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stuck with an overly protective ecu there wasnt much mod wise that could be done without hitting a limp mode and the drive by wire shutting down rendering the car useless with no throttle. This became a very regular occurrence. Designed an electronic boost controller that didnt trip cel's but the afr's were still waaaay too rich. Either way one night thought it would be awesome to pull the handbrake and try and do a fully hektik F&F corner. Stability control had different plans. Bye bye front end

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3 months later back on the road. Still fed up with lowly power took a massive gamble and installed an adaptronic e420c standalone ecu. Hadnt been done before so was a tedious process. Nonetheless it fired up and with a wideband and autotune i got a fairly basic map running. 132fwkw and the stock TF035 baby turbo was out of puff aswell as the stock injectors. 565cc sti's direct bolt in

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Few months down the track and i'd been flown over east 3 times to install 11 ecu's in other colts around Australia. Seriously gay at 11 hours a car for a full install.

$150 secondhand TD04 and a modified autobahn manifold later finally started making some decent power. 150fwkw seemed decent but still slow and the chinese manifold kept cracking due to excessive use of antilag. Big front mount, new steampipe manifold made at home, manual throttle body conversion, new 4 puck clutch and an external gate sorted things out a bit. 182fwkw at 18 psi was alot better. Countless road tuning hours and time and i'd estimate it'd easily crack 200 kw at the wheels.

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Since then i helped develop an opensource tuning file for the stock ecu that lets you retune the factory computer with a laptop and change all the parameters. Decent power at around 130ish kw on a Sydney car i dyno tuned but MAF systems are so fiddly. Speed density much easier.

Anyway enough ranting for now.

OLLIE
13-07-2011, 01:43 PM
Well done mate what's the next plan for the baby evo

mys1
13-07-2011, 01:49 PM
How have you not lunched a gearbox yet?

Rumoured to be made from recycled chernobyl site windows?

Buckets
13-07-2011, 02:04 PM
LOL, nice job you did there on the clutch.

Evman
13-07-2011, 02:05 PM
That's a pretty awesome effort

Lonewolf
13-07-2011, 02:14 PM
nice work on the mod front, they do look horrid though lol.
Have an LSD in it?

c.rusli
13-07-2011, 02:16 PM
Was looking for this for my daily...
it is a good awesome small car... !!

should be fun to drive :)

daedalusjc
13-07-2011, 02:45 PM
cheers guys. Future plans are td05 and lash out on some forgies and rods. Im tempted to blow the 4g15 as an excuse to drop a 4g63 in there but fwd's such a fail sometimes. No LSD atm so single wheel peggers unfortunately. I should stop being a tight ass and spend $1200 on the LSD. Fitted one to a mates colt and was a piece of piss.

Surprisingly the box is pretty bulletproof. Its a 5 speed getrag they pinched from another mitsubishi but cant remember the model.

From factory there a bit niggly as a daily. Stock AD07's are a bit harsh and wear like all hell and the drive by wire's laggy. Can be fixed with a free flash though. The only thing its ever been in a shop for is the exhaust because i dont have a hoist. Apart from that everythings pretty much diy. Mechanically its an easy car to work on but electronically a pita.

And yes agree on the ugly as fuck. Sticks out like dogs balls

Tre-Cool
13-07-2011, 03:07 PM
got any links to the tuning side of things?

Jimmy_S
13-07-2011, 03:08 PM
Nice little ride!!... Looks like a heap of fun! :)

Stealthed
13-07-2011, 03:21 PM
Antilag on these is fun!

Do you work in joondalup by the electrical store just of winton rd by any chance? I see one that looks identical there most days.

daedalusjc
13-07-2011, 03:32 PM
trecool,

not really mate. I learnt from scratch. If your interested enough i could explain it to you but trying to type it is long winded and confusing. Started with a blank fuel and ignition map and went from there. Obviously say 80% of turbo cars will follow the same trends in ignition and fuelling and afr's so i started off very basic and went from there. From install to running and driveable was about 1 1/2 hours road tuning. Higher power needs to be done in small steps. Wastegate pressure was 7 psi so i started from there. Tuned up to 7, no knock, 12 afr's. Bump boost up by 1 psi check knock and afr's and then repeat up to 21 psi. Base maps are fairly easy. Tuning the mivec and transient throttle took ages. You throw 0 to 35 degrees of adjustable cam timing in there and it gets tricky to get it right. A wideband oxy sensor and knock detection is a must.

Imho a dyno is great for top end power runs and rough tuning and everything inbetween should be done on the road(i live past wanneroo so back roads at 1am are deserted at the back of the pines)

Once you understand the concept it can be applied to everything else. So far i've done a 4age 20 valve, 11 colts with varying mods,MY00 wrx and a 3rz turbo prado 4x4. But it is time consuming. Bump timing up until first count of knock then take 2 degrees timing for a buffer, trim afr's to 12.2, check timing again etc.

Jimmy,

every time i see an evo i wonder to myself 'what the fuck was i thinking'. Dammit should have got an 7 or 8

mr_mike
13-07-2011, 04:53 PM
that is fuckin awesome and the fact you have done so much yourself rather than just drop it of to a shop then pick up up a couple months later all modded and calling yourself a hektic car modifier!

-Luke-
13-07-2011, 04:56 PM
Nice one mate, good to see so much DIY!

Tuning transient throttle....ugh I feel your pain! :)

daedalusjc
13-07-2011, 05:05 PM
ha yeah for sure. There's not many shops that would even touch it. Soon as you mention CANBUS, electronic throttle and ETACS your met with a blank face most of the time.

There's so much stuff you can do to a modern car at home with a laptop and basic hardware. Next big project to start is opensource flashing of commodores. I've got all the hardware to make VN's to VX's real time tunable but the VE's and motronic 7.1 ecu's are still stuck in the corporate monopoly. Fuck that. Plug in and change what ever you want. Remove the poxy torque vector limiting and fully re-tune the PCM. Anyway ranting again

-Luke-
13-07-2011, 05:07 PM
Im playing with SD tuning in the NA portions of my fords tune at the moment so so so many variables to determine the end result!

daedalusjc
13-07-2011, 05:37 PM
painful hey. I dont know what ecu your using but the best starting point is to run in open loop and disable all the corrections or set them as static. If your tuning with coolant temp enrichment, air temp fuel and spark correction and even injector latencies set them all static. So tune at operating temperature coolant and static air temp otherwise they can do funny things trying to get it spot on. Transient throttle wise i found that having my MAP sensor on a single dedicated hose to the intake manifold and short length made a big difference to getting it dialled in. A transition time of 150 to 200 ms for a delco map sensor is about the norm of what i've seen on a few cars. What motor and ecu are you running?

-Luke-
13-07-2011, 06:16 PM
ford black oak Pcm and 4ltr 6. Unfortunately you cant turn the corrections of or set them static. There are also tables in the back ground I cant see that come into play.

I did exactly as you described with the wolf ecu I have on my other car tho.

Tre-Cool
13-07-2011, 06:31 PM
i tune my own commonwhores with efilive, both pre VE and VE. so if you want someone to butt heads against hit me up.

Keen to help you out on the reading/writing pcm's. I have bench harnesses for both ls1 and late VE ecm's and can de/solder the eeproms off the ls1 boards.

I've done it a few times for my own use and to get around locked pcm's.

so if you want any bin's etc let me know.

daedalusjc
13-07-2011, 08:04 PM
Really? Fuckin awesome offer. Yeah i just run a willem programmer and DS1245's for the SRAM in th delco pcm's...VE though with the motronic is interesting. Basically VCM suite and Efilive can do it changing the cals. If you can get me some bins i can start on the software disassembly side. The issue i was having was the seed authentication key used to allow the PCM to be written too. From memory it had to verify and report the correct checksum then hash it with a pre-seed key. Fuckin huge algorithm to piss about with. If i can work out how VCM suite deals with it then it'd be a walk in the park to have a generic program and generic hardware that could read/write the ROM. instead of $945 commercial bullshit it would be a single adapter for like $30 in parts. Falcon's would be the same way. Dunno if there would be enough interest though.

jOh4n
14-07-2011, 12:47 AM
care to share some info/pics on the sherpa?! :)

wormbo2
14-07-2011, 07:03 AM
What do you mean by 'antilag'??



Srsly....
NFI what you're talkin about!

Mint little racer though, well done on all the mods and upgrades man.
Sounds like a pretty fun FWD

kurbn
14-07-2011, 08:08 AM
interesting looking manifold :/

Lump
14-07-2011, 09:09 AM
while its not pretty, it looks functional, well made & has one of the best gate entry paths ive seen.
great work, but personally i would be tuning for afr's of below 12 (11.7), sure you can have a little higher to help on spool-up, but after that i would keep it below 12, not "in the 12's"
cheers

Marti
14-07-2011, 09:38 AM
Wow, I actually don't mind these little cars

TJ
14-07-2011, 10:07 AM
Great to see its all done yourself.

Would be an awesome sleeper.

daedalusjc
14-07-2011, 11:23 AM
joh4n,

the little sherpa started off with the stock EK42 656cc 2 cylinder which had main bearing problems. Got fed up and picked up a charade for free out of the quokka and ended up dropping the CB23 3 cylinder motor in with a gearbox adaptor i CAD'd up and got laser cut. Got bored again and put a stock turbo from a 300zx on it and ran a blow thru carby setup. Epic lol's being abl to lift the whole back of the car up. Found it in some funny parking positions. Got stickered for side pipe exhaust ha.

Kikki90,

Full enrich/retard antilag that builds about 20 psi by 2100rpm for some 2nd gear launches aswell as automatically activating between a gear change to keep the boost up. Seriously fun thing to play with but hideously destructive. Been through 3 mufflers and about 7 turbo gaskets. Now its straight through and a bit more control using it. In the tunnel at 6am its bound for epic lol's with snoozing drivers.

Cranky,

yeah i'd originally planned a ram horns style manifold but ended up trying to make the manifold as short as possible. Alot of die grinding on the inside of that bastard to get it to merge smoothly. AFR wise i see between 11.9 to 12.3 at full boost with an ambient intake temp of 15 degrees. Obviously its heavily scaled against intake air temp and corrections. I found that dropping the afr's any lower caused a massive "hole in the power" and didnt let me maintain a reasonable range of EGT's with advanced ignition timing. Im still playing it prtty safe with 7 degrees btdc @ 21 psi. Those stock rods are pretty poxy but hangin on.

TJ,

cheers mate. I thought the colt would have copped some serious flameage for being a hairdressers car but it looks like antilag forums have come true. "Where performance matters"

c.rusli
14-07-2011, 11:28 AM
has it been dyno to check out the power output?

daedalusjc
14-07-2011, 12:18 PM
yeah about 6 months ago. Pulled 173 fwkw and 315nm torque on a hub dyno. Alots changed on it since then. Can you reccomend a dyno to chuck it on for a power run?

TJ
14-07-2011, 12:27 PM
What sort of times is it good for?

daedalusjc
14-07-2011, 12:44 PM
ha personal best was an 18. That was the end of the clutch in that photo. Managed to limp it back to Carramar from Kwinana. Another Perth colt i did an ecu and turbo and shit in pegged 13.1 but the biggest battle is traction and the absurdly tall 1st gear. Antilag + 2nd gear launch gets it off the line alot quicker but i'd love to see someone with drag experience do a few runs. Im a n00b pingpingpingping at the drags

Mr Bender
14-07-2011, 06:20 PM
Nice build up mate.

love the exhaust manifold.

PS: thanks for the Antilag demo on Orrong Rd today

keep it up!

Torquen
17-07-2011, 05:11 PM
Nice car man! Me (and all my neighbours) know it sounds good on gate :D

DESAM8+PANIK
19-07-2011, 02:27 PM
You might have thought you would of gotten flamed for the "hair dressers car" but it is still well in and more than alot of other "performance" cars on antilag ..... well done mate I think you fit in perfect here under the banner of 'Where performance matters " :)

Gladio
19-07-2011, 03:43 PM
Would be a awsome pocket rocket!

daedalusjc
19-07-2011, 09:09 PM
cheers guys much appreciated. I wanted to leave it looking as close to stock as possible so the only real changes have been some tinting and a set of enkei's off the old s13 for a wider track. Definitely a fun little budget daily. Torquen cant be as loud as your gate. Biggest grin as you guys hammered down the road

JME
20-07-2011, 11:19 AM
Respect - pioneering is a long and tedious path, but looks to be rewarding.