Kalgoorlie court

[KAL SPL]

http://www.larryhannigan.com/kalgoorliecourt.htm

Anyone who follows the court system is bound to either get laugh of be very frustrated by this !

[Tre-Cool]

Good on him. everything he says is correct.

I'm looking into becoming a sovereign citizen myself. cops cant touch you then.

[Miggy]

No idea what the hell I just watched but interesting none the less haha.

[Tre-Cool]

well you have a lot of reading ahead of you.

For starters, look up Common Law & sovereign citizen.

[j3rk]

^^ Post up any good info you find!
Heard of some interesting stories where common law/ invoking the rights of a sovereign citizen has seen cases thrown straight out as the judge knows better then to try deal with it. Have had many many discussions with the lawyers / well educated individuals up here about such topics!

With the right tact, cops = powerless.

[Mad_Aussie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/bawanaal/picard-facepalm.jpg

Shows how little regard for the written law our Police and government shows.

[V70R]

No idea what the hell I just watched but interesting none the less haha.

Its the vibe of it..

[mys1]

Just did some reasonable reading,

Seems more of a US Extremist movement? (I havent watched the video yet as im at work)

How does this relate to Australia?

[Philbo]

How and where do I sign up ! Does this mean no more hoon laws amongst other things :P

[Ryan1080]

I don't get this how he was saying cops are employed by a private company? What the hell? And what's that crap about police force being set up in Washington? This guy sounds like a looper.

[Crispymk2]

I have read some of the letters my wife has had to respond to from dropkicks who decide they can get out of paying their rates by declaring themselves a sovereign citizen.

Entertaining stuff but complete waste of taxpayers money dragging the retards through court.

On one hand they try to argue that they are not bound by the laws of Australia due to being a sovereign citizen of their own principality and in the same letter they spout obscure sections of the Constitution they want to rely on.

"I am a spiritual free entity and a sovereign citizen and my yes be yes, my no be no... all letters regarding this matter must be sealed with wax and a thumb print be placed over the seal bla bla"

[Tre-Cool]

as the saying goes... "Follow the money"

essentially the Commonwealth of Australia, police force, local shires etc are all registered businesses with a bank in the US. I cant recall the exact bank, but it's a Rothchilds one.....

just think of the Federal Reserve in the USA, it's not a federal government entity in ANYWAY. It's just a registered business name.

I'm pretty sure another video has been posted on antilag before of a guy called Mark something. he is part aboriginal and lives in nsw. he saught the info out, read up/ learned the legal mumbo jump (legalese) and he pays no tax, doesnt live on the dole, pays no rego and shit for his car. in fact he even made his own plates up.

Cops cannot touch him. They have allready lost cases against him as such.

basically what it comes down to in a nutshell...

1) basic religious beliefs (christianity)
2) common law that was put into practise by the King of England so that all men were free. (thats where the free man of the land comes in)
3) No law or act etc can be legal if it infringes on any of the common law.

i.e common law is all about man being judged by his peers, but only if he consents. a judge or magistrate is only a moderator for the people not the punisher.

[perthute]

seen that vid awhile ago , u gotta know ya shit or it doesnt work , to many here will bring out the tin foil hat stuff but yer theres alot of good info out there , i know people that this has worked for aka they dont have a drivers lic dont pay rego do pay rates tax's ect ect

[Ryan1080]

Sounds like a bullshit loophole. If what this guy claims was indeed the case, then we would have a powerless government woudln't we. Idiot.

This guys is a looper and it is obvious. At the end cop says "I don't give a shit about your constitution", dickhead takes it literally writing up stuff that this cop doesn't care about the constitution blah blah blah, whereas in fact that was the copper's response to a looper constantly crapping on about a constitution this and consitution that, while getting arrested. Someone should declare him mentally incapacitated.

[Tre-Cool]

Think about what you said... The guy is not a looper. He is going off the only valid laws in existant.

The cops are just people like you & me who just accept the system for what it is.

I think about it this way, what right does someone else have to tell me what i can & cannot do?

This is were basic morals & i guess beliefs come into play, so you dont murder or hurt people. but that's what common law etc is all about.

[Ryan1080]

The police administer the law. They are sworn officers of the state (or commonwealth if federal). Sure, they are like you and me, human, but they perform a function within the society.

If this guy is gonna go off thinking that he is above the law, yet referring back to the law to support his bullshit, then he's a farken hypocrite.

If he was indeed correct, was the magistrate and the rest of the people in the courtroom prosecuted for 'treason', as this looper was claiming? No. Coz he was wrong.

[V70R]

If this guy is gonna go off thinking that he is above the law....


Only Steven Segal is above the Law.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/700/nicoabovethelaw1988.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/nicoabovethelaw1988.jpg/)

[Tre-Cool]

The police administer the law. They are sworn officers of the state (or commonwealth if federal). Sure, they are like you and me, human, but they perform a function within the society.

If this guy is gonna go off thinking that he is above the law, yet referring back to the law to support his bullshit, then he's a farken hypocrite.

If he was indeed correct, was the magistrate and the rest of the people in the courtroom prosecuted for 'treason', as this looper was claiming? No. Coz he was wrong.

you have still missed my point. the "system" currently in place to give power to the commonwealth of australia DOES NOT EXIST. as such any law or act put in place is not legal under common law.

the guy even has a good video.

http://larryhannigan.com/constitutionvideo.htm

[Ryan1080]

you have still missed my point. the "system" currently in place to give power to the commonwealth of australia DOES NOT EXIST. as such any law or act put in place is not legal under common law.

the guy even has a good video.

http://larryhannigan.com/constitutionvideo.htm

Only watched the first one minute of this video. The bit where it says that "they have kept the teaching about the constitution out of schools and universities for decades" is an absolute pile of shit, so I didn't bother watching the rest (maybe later for lols).

Interesting starting a video with a false statement. Having studied political and legal studies at high school for a couple of years involved quite an in-depth teaching about the constitution. If this guy reckons it has been kept out of schools, how does he explain the nice little booklet all students in my state school received, titled the Constitution of Australia.

He's a looper. Seriously!

[South]

If you don't want to confirm to the rules of the country you live in then fuck off somewhere else. Pretty simple really!

Same as all the fuck wit migrants that come in with their home land issues and force their religions or beliefs down everyone elses throats.

You come here, you do what we are all told to do. Otherwise go home.

Larry sounds like a hobo, spent his life on the street with too much time on his hands, learnt a bit of useless trash and still has a shit life.

[1cut808]

LOL

[Buckets]

Does this mean that I can do a skid out front of PoPo HQ and not get hoon lawed?

[1cut808]

Does this mean that I can do a skid out front of PoPo HQ and not get hoon lawed?


Give it a try and see what happens... Tell me where and when and i'll come and watch LOL

[Tre-Cool]

well i finished year 11 in 1999, didnt do year 12. (did private study instead) and I and friends i grew up with were never told or schooled about our constitution.

[Ryan1080]

basically what it comes down to in a nutshell...

1) basic religious beliefs (christianity)
2) common law that was put into practise by the King of England so that all men were free. (thats where the free man of the land comes in)
3) No law or act etc can be legal if it infringes on any of the common law.

i.e common law is all about man being judged by his peers, but only if he consents. a judge or magistrate is only a moderator for the people not the punisher.

Common law is first and foremost based on the doctrine of precedent that dictates lower courts are to follow upper court's decisions. This doctrine was put in place to ensure consistency in the legal system, where there are two cases with similar facts, the outcomes should also be similar. Common law is otherwise known as case law. The king introduced this concept in order to create same set of law, so that it is common throughout the kingdom and commonwealth. Originally different areas of the country had thier own rules, you could have gone from one shire to another and get a different result. This was the main basis for creating the common law, to create certainty in contracts and so on.

Nevertheless, Common Law, or Case Law, as it is otherwise known, is always over-ridden by legislation. Legislation takes precedence. You can argue it out if there is a dispute in your interpretation of the legislation. However if legislation clearly says "yes" or "no", just becasue you may have been allowed to do something under case law in the past, will mean jack shit if the govt legislates against it.

Cosntitution on the other hand sits above govt. legislation. If legislation is written in a way that disagrees with the constitution, it becomes 'unconstitutional', and therefore invalid.

Can't remember the exact details now, however there were a few loopers arguing against paying council rates, as local govt is not mentioned in the constitution. State govt is however, so they never argue against state charges.




I think about it this way, what right does someone else have to tell me what i can & cannot do?

This is were basic morals & i guess beliefs come into play, so you dont murder or hurt people. but that's what common law etc is all about.

Look up the rule of law mate. That will answer your question. Without the rule of law, you have anarchy.

[Ryan1080]

well i finished year 11 in 1999, didnt do year 12. (did private study instead) and I and friends i grew up with were never told or schooled about our constitution.

That's just you and your school then.

I remember I also had a brief intro to it in my social studies class in year 9... My bro went to a different school than me, he was also taught some of it.

[Tre-Cool]

be interesting to see if anyone else was taught it in school either.

come up chaps, speak up

[5ltrs of fun]

wasnt taught at our school

[kizzer]

nope.
not at my high school either

Lakeland SHS Unna

[Ryan1080]

Did you choose to? Did you have a choice at all?

I did it in my elective classes in year 11 and 12, Political & Legal Studies. Like with accounting, it's not something that the 'cool' kids in high school would go for mind you lol

But surely you would have done the good old state parliament expedition in lower high school yeah? Pretty much all people I speak to from all sorts of schools, have all been to the state parliament for a tour when they were in year 7, 8 or 9. THey talk about this crap then. Kids of course don't tend to give a shit, so maybe that's why most don't remember. I certainly can't remember what they talked about back then lol.

[R3N]

PALS!

[TTZ]

Ryan- It's is not a system of anarchy where anyone does what they want and it is very hard to follow common law principles to a T, if you slip up in anything you say or follow any orders then you consent to the system and are liable for everything that involves, if you do not act honorably (~reasonable man test) then you are subject to correcting your wrongs etc.

My understanding is the law as it stands is a bit of a mess (running in admiralty) and seems to be running to correct economic issues created during the great depression. The government was able to print as much money as it has assets, so it converted it's people into assets by registering them as corporations and then pretty much enslaving that corporation for it's debts (tax system changed, as did your ownership rights where you have the right to possetion but not title as recognised under common law). Thats why when you are dealing with the government as a "strawman" (corporation) your name always appears in uppercase rather that conform to standard grammar. It differentiates between the corporate person and the private person.
This is a massive subject that would take years to fully understand, hence why almost everyone has very little sucess with it. and those that fuck up end up in gaol.

There are a lot of looper, fucking idiots that try to follow this system but that doesn't necessarily make it a false system, just that it has attracted the wrong interests.

[TTZ]

I did study TEE politics and law in yr 12, but it really doesn't cover much of the constitution in depth, just some basic rights as guaranteed under the constitution and where to find them.

[kizzer]

Political & Legal Studies wasnt on the cards at my school
cant recall it being mentioned in Social Studies and i was in the nerd classes

[Tre-Cool]

i've been thinking this over and the only thing i can remember about high school that was even closely related was in social studies in years 8/9 were mainly about early australian history like ned kelly, gold rush and shit like that.

I dont remember ever touching on the subject of constitution. In fact, what used to piss me off was it had A LOT of american history related information in it.

[Ryan1080]

I think Australian education system, primary and secondary, in comparison to other developed coutries is quite pathetic to be honest, but that's going off topic lol.

Nah, I was taught most of it in my elective class. We actually had some decent people come and do guest presentations in those two years, various renowned academics mostly, but we even got a visit from geoff gallop himself lol.

[Buckets]

I did P&L we did learn about the Constitution and the interesting fact that in Australia we have no real legal rights at all. All the "rights" we rant on about are only implied not written anywhere as we have no bill of rights in our constitution. I do remember buying a book by Geoffrey Robertson QC on the topic a few years ago. It actually made for a very interesting / eye opening read.

[Ryan1080]

That is true. People assume that all the rights that Yanks got in theirs are also in ours. What rights are missing, was it freedom of speech, and what else? I studied this a decade ago lol.

[Tre-Cool]

i think it's funny when yanks write they have the right to bear arms.


but they spell it bare arms.