Preparation for World War Three?

[Mad_Aussie]

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/house-gets-ready-vote-new-worldwide-war


a hugely important provision for Congress to authorize a new worldwide war has been tucked away inside the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). The bill was marked up by members of the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) last Wednesday that poured into Thursday morning (2:45 a.m. to be exact).

A couple of minutes past midnight, Rep. John Garamendi (D-Calif.) offered an amendment to strike Sec. 1034 — the new authorization for worldwide war provision — from the NDAA. Visibly angry that such a large sweeping provision had not yet had any public hearing whatsoever, he vigorously characterized it as a very broad declaration of war.

Rep. Garamendi was very concerned by the limitless geographic boundaries of the provision. Essentially, it would enable the U.S. to use military force anywhere in the world (including within the U.S.) in search of terrorists.

Fairly scary premise...

[Ryan1080]

What does that mean? Should I put my tin foil hat on or not yet?

[shifted]

Not surprised.

[Mad_Aussie]

What does that mean? Should I put my tin foil hat on or not yet?

ಠ_ಠ

[Tre-Cool]

Read this last night... There is definetly something wrong with the pingpingpingpings running the country.

The Intel Hub
By Alexander Higgins with excerpts from Alex Thomas
May 15th, 2011

The legislation authorizes the President of the United States to take unilateral military action against all nations, organizations, and persons, both domestically and abroad, who are alleged to be currently or who have in the past supported or engaged in hostilities or who have provided aid in support of hostilities against the Untied States or any of its coalition allies.

The legislation removes the requirement of congressional approval for the use of military force and instead gives the President totalitarian dictatorial authority to engage in any and all military actions for an indefinite period of time.

It even authorizes the President the authority to launch attacks against American Citizens inside the United States with no congressional oversight whatsoever.

Just to recap, because that was a mouthful:

■Endless War – The war will continue until all hostilities are terminated, which will never happen.
■No Borders – The president will have the full authority to launch military strikes against any country, organization or person, including against U.S citizens on U.S soil.
■Unilateral Military Action – Full authority to invade any nation at any time with no congressional approval required.
■No Clearly Defined Enemy – The US can declare or allege anyone a terrorist or allege they are or have been supporting “hostilities” against the US and attack at will.
■Authorization To Invade Several Countries – The president would have full authority to invade Iran, Syria, North Korea, along with several other nations in Africa and the Middle East and even Russia and China under the legislation all of which are “know” to have supported and aided hostilities against the United States.


Prepare for a nuclear winter & slow debilitating death if the Ruski's or the Chink's fight back.

http://theintelhub.com/2011/05/15/congress-to-vote-on-declaration-of-worldwide-perpetual-war-with-no-borders-no-clear-enemies/

[Slip_]

Note; time it was passed... been doing that a bit lately.

[Ryan1080]

No Clearly Defined Enemy... not officially anyway. Unofficially, if I was a country with oil reserves I'd be quite concerned now.

[mehow2g]

Preparation for New World Order, I was talking to a guy from work he showed me a bunch of shit on his phone about this Denver Airport shit about gassing 1/3 of the world population.. Look it it up

[wormbo2]

Yeah boy, I scored 4 rolls of tin foil for free last month!!

Hats all round!

[South]

Maybe they should start by attacking themselves and leave it at that.

Bunch of muppets, USA is weak as piss, sick of the BS that comes from there

[Bomber]

Why hasn't the useless sack of shit Julian Assange released anything that could fuck the USA right in the ass internationally?

[duste]

Lol @ useless sack of shit, riiight.


Use military force within the US, eh? I'm guessing all future presidential candidates are going to be declared terrorists. Dictatorship ftl.

[Bomber]

What I mean is, he says I have all this stuff and you should fear its release, then does fuck all. Pretty much same/same as USA's latest conquest of killing Bin Laden. They said he did, they said they have proof, yet none forthcoming except for what they tell you. Useless sacks of shit all round!

Just so you know, Mad Aussie and I get our hats made at the same place.

Oh and in other news, Donald Trump has pulled out of the Presidential race. In other words, he is not enough of a puppet to make the next 4 years even more fucked for the entire globe.

[shifted]

Julian Assange has had his extradition approved, yes? If so, wikileaks will probably become worthless in the coming months, and also, there too many delusional muppets on this planet to warrant change quick enough to stop stuff like this from happening.

How many Americans do you reckon will either a.) read the article and stand up against it, and b.) read the article, believe its for the good of the people, and do nothing about it and c.) do nothing at all?

[Niva]

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[urabus]

USA: 5% of the worlds population and nearly 50% of the worlds military spending. You do the math.

Brendon

[Fukushima]

I ran out of anti-american angst in 2005

I can't see how this could ever affect me. Arn't we allied with the US?


Also if i recall reading Tom Clancy novels correctly the president can already order the military to do whatever he wants without congressional approval. But if he needs money to do it then it needs approval. This just takes care of the money part.

[MMM]

ive been hearing about new world orders for 5 years now im still waiting.

[shifted]

I don't think allied to anything matters if America decides to invade us as part of a NWO - we are fucked.

China on the other hand, would be interesting to see with their population if they could stop the US from entering somewhere.

[shifted]

ive been hearing about new world orders for 5 years now im still waiting.

I think people have been hearing/talking about it for decades. Difference is, will something happen or not - who knows.

[mr m00se]

Fuck Tin foil hats, we need armadillo hats
http://main.makeuseoflimited.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kevin_heffernan_armadillo_hat.jpg

[Mad_Aussie]

This isn't a tinfoil hat sort of thing really, this is more of a framework for them to invade say Syria or Saudi Arabia now, in search of terrorists, and by their own governments standards, it's completely o.k for them to do so. No conspiracy about it.

[Fukushima]

Well lets see...

Iran is building nukes and is run by a bunch of crackheads - anyone opposed to the US doing something about it?

Same with North Korea

It's not the same bloke responsible for the Iraq disaster so I say let him do whatever he wants.

[shifted]

Same people behind the bloke though.

[Ryan1080]

Same people behind the bloke though.

He's from the other political party though...

[Tre-Cool]

so was bush and look what they got when they voted for the "otherside"

[Tre-Cool]

Well lets see...

Iran is building nukes and is run by a bunch of crackheads - anyone opposed to the US doing something about i? NOPE, not 1 bit.



Same with North Korea


The US needs to stop providing aid to the pingpingpingpings under threats of them launching nukes.

let them try and when they do. fuck em up. going to be cassualties at some stage.

[shifted]

He's from the other political party though...

I don't see how that makes a difference...

Make the public want something different so they think changes are going to occur. Regardless of the puppet in place, people think they are getting something new, something different, while the same people are running the scene behind.

Makes no difference what political party the person is from IMO.

Tin foil hat yo.

[blaize]

keen to see USA invade china or North Korea.

[Ryan1080]

I don't see how that makes a difference...

Make the public want something different so they think changes are going to occur. Regardless of the puppet in place, people think they are getting something new, something different, while the same people are running the scene behind.

Makes no difference what political party the person is from IMO.

Tin foil hat yo.

You're wearing it like a pro! :)

We're all probably in some sort of a Matrix-spec world, getting screwed by the same pingpingpingpings anywhere we go.

[shifted]

keen to see USA invade china or North Korea.

Keen to see China invade America and tell them to go fuck themselves!


You're wearing it like a pro! :)

We're all probably in some sort of a Matrix-spec world, getting screwed by the same pingpingpingpings anywhere we go.

Hell yes! haha I have yet to see the Matrix myself, seen clips though, from the clips it seems to convey some interesting ideas - similar to What The Bleep Do We Know? - the study of the consciousness of water is amazing!

[TurboHead]

Obama = Sith....

[Halle Terry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY

Stupid thing won't let me embed.

[Roobiks]

Keen to see China invade America and tell them to go fuck themselves!


You keen for conscription too? Better be if you're keen on a super power attacking an ally..

The end of the day, America is the traffic cop of the world. Egotistical and self indulgent, sure, but they serve a purpose. Who else is going to keep the rusted out VR Commodores (read: politically shakey religious extremists) off the world road?

[shifted]

You keen for conscription too? Better be if you're keen on a super power attacking an ally..

The end of the day, America is the traffic cop of the world. Egotistical and self indulgent, sure, but they serve a purpose. Who else is going to keep the rusted out VR Commodores (read: politically shakey religious extremists) off the world road?

Ever heard of the Catholic Church mate? Whats the difference between them, and Muslims? SFA. One has had its beliefs torn to shreds by the media more than the other. Extremists are a problem for both. Only one doesn't make the media as much. ;)

China owning what was it, about 65% of America's debt if not more by now? Our relations are fine with both at the moment, aren't they? The way I see it you have more countries against America than for America. America's decline and power moves have been looked at time and time again - what they are trying to achieve now is just another step to further their cause which will not benefit humanity.

[CA18NA]

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[Ryan1080]

Ever heard of the Catholic Church mate? Whats the difference between them, and Muslims? SFA. One has had its beliefs torn to shreds by the media more than the other. Extremists are a problem for both. Only one doesn't make the media as much. ;)


Wut?? I haven't heard of catholics strapping bombs to themsleves blowing themselves up for starters!

Secondly, there are many MASSIVE differences between both religions. Seriously, if you haven't got a clue, don't talk crap, makes you look like a redneck retard.

And for the record, atheist aren't a peaceful mob either. Only about 50 years ago, atheists were responsible for killing millions and millions of people, which is A LOT more than muslims have in the recent history (not that I am defending them, two wrongs don't make a right). Can I therefore conclude you (being an atheist) are the same as a muslim extremist? According to your logic, you are, if not worse! Get off your high horse man!

But before you start talking all conspiracy crap, stop and think carefully before you jump on the good old bandwagon and say uneducated crap like that.

/end religion off topic, how this is related to US fuck knows.

It's always entertaining to read tin foil hat spec comments, good for a laugh!!

[Mad_Aussie]

Wut?? I haven't heard of catholics strapping bombs to themsleves blowing themselves up for starters!


Actually, there have been Catholic extremists in Northern Ireland that in the past have blown themselves up killing mobs of Prodistents. However the number of Catholics that did that is much, much smaller than the amount of Prodistent bombers.

However, the Crusades were pretty fucking appalling on the Catholics part.

/ot

[Ryan1080]

Actually, there have been Catholic extremists in Northern Ireland that in the past have blown themselves up killing mobs of Prodistents. However the number of Catholics that did that is much, much smaller than the amount of Prodistent bombers.

However, the Crusades were pretty fucking appalling on the Catholics part.

/ot

True that. Small minority really (so small it's negligible for the most part). I wouldn't put them in thesame basket as ordinary catholics, that's for sure! Mental cases, maybe.

And the crusades happened how long ago? People reminding others of that is akin to aboriginals reminding people that their great grandfather was stolen from their parents, but usually everyone tells them to get over it. What's different here, other than that the crusades happened hundreds of years ago previously, and hasn't actually affected anyone else who's currently alive, or even been dead for 100+ years. It's irrelevant! THe world moved on!

So because the crusades happened, does that mean modern day catholics are also equally fucked up. Of course not, it's flawed logic!

So becasue you pingpingpingpings are atheists, should I call you all Nazis? THey were atheists! IN fact they persecuted all religions. Should I paint all you pingpingpingpings with the same brush, because some atheist pingpingpingping killed millions of people 50 years ago? Hitler wasn't the only atheist, I can think of countless other tyrants who were atheists and killed huge number of people. Should I use the same logic on you guys? You would object, wouldn't you? Get off your high horses, seriously!

Sorry, I'm jsut sick and tired of hearing this same bullshit from the same people. Yes, I'm a catholic. Am I gonna go and burn witches? No!

[shifted]

Wut?? I haven't heard of catholics strapping bombs to themsleves blowing themselves up for starters!

Secondly, there are many MASSIVE differences between both religions. Seriously, if you haven't got a clue, don't talk crap, makes you look like a redneck retard.

And for the record, atheist aren't a peaceful mob either. Only about 50 years ago, atheists were responsible for killing millions and millions of people, which is A LOT more than muslims have in the recent history (not that I am defending them, two wrongs don't make a right). Can I therefore conclude you (being an atheist) are the same as a muslim extremist? According to your logic, you are, if not worse! Get off your high horse man!

But before you start talking all conspiracy crap, stop and think carefully before you jump on the good old bandwagon and say uneducated crap like that.

/end religion off topic, how this is related to US fuck knows.

It's always entertaining to read tin foil hat spec comments, good for a laugh!!

I am not saying any mob is better than the other, any religion is better than one another, or anything of that sort. Fact is, everything has some atrocity attached to it at some point in its existence. Nor am I jumping on any bandwagon.

Just because the media has not targeted one religion more than the other, or one religion has not gone to the same extremes as another doesn't mean anything either.

All religious institutions are there for their own reasons, its up to the people to decide what is wrong or right. Every group has their bad eggs.

I am on no high horse mate - I don't believe in religion, I have my opinion, you have yours. I know plenty of religious people from all kinds of religions who get along perfectly fine. I don't devalue someone's opinion because they are religious, I don't degrade their beliefs - what they choose to believe is of their own accord and they are entitled to it. One of my best mates is a Muslim, and another a Christian, I respect their beliefs.

Maybe I initially worded what I wrote wrong - but from what I can see, I clearly stated that extremists are a problem for both. Again, ANY group will have its bad eggs, just because one has it more publicised than another doesn't make it any better. I am not putting ordinary in the same boat as extreme - don't know how you came to that conclusion.

[shifted]

True that. Small minority really (so small it's negligible for the most part). I wouldn't put them in thesame basket as ordinary catholics, that's for sure! Mental cases, maybe.

And the crusades happened how long ago? People reminding others of that is akin to aboriginals reminding people that their great grandfather was stolen from their parents, but usually everyone tells them to get over it. What's different here, other than that the crusades happened hundreds of years ago previously, and hasn't actually affected anyone else who's currently alive, or even been dead for 100+ years. It's irrelevant! THe world moved on!

So because the crusades happened, does that mean modern day catholics are also equally fucked up. Of course not, it's flawed logic!

So becasue you pingpingpingpings are atheists, should I call you all Nazis? THey were atheists! IN fact they persecuted all religions. Should I paint all you pingpingpingpings with the same brush, because some atheist pingpingpingping killed millions of people 50 years ago? Hitler wasn't the only atheist, I can think of countless other tyrants who were atheists and killed huge number of people. Should I use the same logic on you guys? You would object, wouldn't you? Get off your high horses, seriously!

Sorry, I'm jsut sick and tired of hearing this same bullshit from the same people. Yes, I'm a catholic. Am I gonna go and burn witches? No!

No one is aiming for your beliefs mate - why so worked up?

When Hitler was doing his thing, wasn't the prominent religious belief at the time Jewish? I have family in Israel that moved away during the war and remained Jewish, others turned atheist, and plenty became part of the Roman Catholic Church (of which my parents believe in). I am in no way attacking anyone here, yet you seem to be taking it personally? No one is on any high horse. :confused:

[Ryan1080]

I am not saying any mob is better than the other, any religion is better than one another, or anything of that sort. Fact is, everything has some atrocity attached to it at some point in its existence. Nor am I jumping on any bandwagon.

Just because the media has not targeted one religion more than the other, or one religion has not gone to the same extremes as another doesn't mean anything either.

All religious institutions are there for their own reasons, its up to the people to decide what is wrong or right. Every group has their bad eggs.

I am on no high horse mate - I don't believe in religion, I have my opinion, you have yours. I know plenty of religious people from all kinds of religions who get along perfectly fine. I don't devalue someone's opinion because they are religious, I don't degrade their beliefs - what they choose to believe is of their own accord and they are entitled to it. One of my best mates is a Muslim, and another a Christian, I respect their beliefs.

Maybe I initially worded what I wrote wrong - but from what I can see, I clearly stated that extremists are a problem for both. Again, ANY group will have its bad eggs, just because one has it more publicised than another doesn't make it any better. I am not putting ordinary in the same boat as extreme - don't know how you came to that conclusion.

What Christian extremists are you currently afraid of?

Yes, at some point in time, someone from each group fucked up, Christians had their crusades, Atheists had their genocides, Muslims had and still have their jihads. Correct me if I'm wrong, perhaps I'm not aware of any, but what crusades and genocides are currently happening by christians and atheists? Yes indeed, there are none reported in the media at the moment, becasue these are not CURRENT news. If you want to see media talk about crusades and genocides, switch to the history channel. The only reason why you see only muslims extremists in the media, is because it is CURRENT news, it is not history. It's happening right now!

And your statement that both religions are the same, is a fairly uneducated one. Unless you were referring to the point that one and the other, at some time in history or present, had nut cases, than fair enough, that is one thing in common. As for the rest mate, come on, they're chalk and cheese!

[Ryan1080]

No one is aiming for your beliefs mate - why so worked up?

When Hitler was doing his thing, wasn't the prominent religious belief at the time Jewish? I have family in Israel that moved away during the war and remained Jewish, others turned atheist, and plenty became part of the Roman Catholic Church (of which my parents believe in). I am in no way attacking anyone here, yet you seem to be taking it personally? No one is on any high horse. :confused:

Oh no, Im not taking it personally. Just been seeing all these posts over the years on here, and thought I'd point out the obvious (or perhaps not so obvious to some).

Nazis were against all religions actually, both Jews and Christians were equally persecuted. Most of europe has always been christian of some sort, Jews came over for a long term visit when they lost their land, but that's another kettle of fish.

[Fukushima]

shifted I've gotta say you've got some fucked up ideas about the world

why do you suggest capital punishment all the time if you don't trust government?

[yeahlow34]

Shut the fuck up.

[SimonR32]

So becasue you pingpingpingpings are atheists, should I call you all Nazis? THey were atheists! IN fact they persecuted all religions. Should I paint all you pingpingpingpings with the same brush, because some atheist pingpingpingping killed millions of people 50 years ago? Hitler wasn't the only atheist, I can think of countless other tyrants who were atheists and killed huge number of people. Should I use the same logic on you guys? You would object, wouldn't you? Get off your high horses, seriously!

Sorry, I'm jsut sick and tired of hearing this same bullshit from the same people. Yes, I'm a catholic. Am I gonna go and burn witches? No!

Atheists don't justify their killing on being atheists, where religions justify it by their religious beliefs...

Big difference

PS: Hilter was a Catholic

[[Jacek]]

These threads always begin well and end up
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[coFF33]

america is terrorist

[Ryan1080]

Atheists don't justify their killing on being atheists, where religions justify it by their religious beliefs...

Big difference

Fuck all difference actually.

When atheists went out killing millions of people for the sole reason becasue these people were of a different religion, it is the same thing isn't it?

Nazis (atheists) killed Jews because they were Jews (i.e. not ahteists).

Muslims kill others because they are not muslims.

All killings were done in the name of their beliefs, one believes in Allah, the other in nothing.

I see atheists no different to religious types!

[Ryan1080]

PS: Hilter was a Catholic

Atheist!

His whole govt implemented atheist policies.

He may have been born a catholic, but he changed to atheism. Learn some history man!

[Mad_Aussie]

Ryan, to say the German Nazi's were atheists is actually wrong. Although Adolf was a Catholic originally iirc - I know they outed the Christian churches quite publicly though. Nazism was actually a religion of it's own. They saw the Fuhrer as a form of deity, and along with all the context and ideology that's associated with nazism, it can be considered a religion in any literal sense.

You'll find an Athiest by nature has no ideological figurehead to look up to, and fundamentally give support to.

[shifted]

What Christian extremists are you currently afraid of?

Yes, at some point in time, someone from each group fucked up, Christians had their crusades, Atheists had their genocides, Muslims had and still have their jihads. Correct me if I'm wrong, perhaps I'm not aware of any, but what crusades and genocides are currently happening by christians and atheists? Yes indeed, there are none reported in the media at the moment, becasue these are not CURRENT news. If you want to see media talk about crusades and genocides, switch to the history channel. The only reason why you see only muslims extremists in the media, is because it is CURRENT news, it is not history. It's happening right now!

And your statement that both religions are the same, is a fairly uneducated one. Unless you were referring to the point that one and the other, at some time in history or present, had nut cases, than fair enough, that is one thing in common. As for the rest mate, come on, they're chalk and cheese!

None - but that doesn't mean they can't possibly be occuring - who is to say they are and are not - no one knows EXACTLY what is going on around the world at all times, nor whats on behind the scenes, people will commit atrocities in the name of their religious beliefs - doesn't mean all the followers nor that religion is bad. In today's world, yes - Muslim extremists are a problem, and the media portrays that very well. History just repeats itself.

The reason I say they are the same is not because of their individual beliefs, but because they are religious institutions and have millions of followers. The only difference I see with religions is their beliefs. How else do they differ? Extremists aside - I don't see the difference apart from the beliefs they hold? Thus, I don't see how atheists differ themselves either - just a different set of beliefs.

[Ryan1080]

Ryan, to say the German Nazi's were atheists is actually wrong. Although Adolf was a Catholic originally iirc - I know they outed the Christian churches quite publicly though. Nazism was actually a religion of it's own. They saw the Fuhrer as a form of deity, and along with all the context and ideology that's associated with nazism, it can be considered a religion in any literal sense.

You'll find an Athiest by nature has no ideological figurehead to look up to, and fundamentally give support to.

Disagree. But let's leave it at that. It's like muslims distancing themselves from their extremists... which is fair enough. I distance myself from the crusades. I'm not them. You are not Nazis. Simple!

Just because atheists do not believe it something, it's a lack of belief etc, so fair to say that they believe in nothing, it's similar to religion really. I believe there is a God, you believe there is no god. Atheism is like a religion.

What is ironic is that all atheists in this thread get on the defensive. It's a collective belief in something, and you're defending your belief, like a religious person would.

Same huh :D

[SimonR32]

Atheist!

His whole govt implemented atheist policies.

He may have been born a catholic, but he changed to atheism. Learn some history man!

LOL, someone who is brought up Catholic, a member of the Catholic church until they die and say "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." isn't Catholic?

[Ryan1080]

None - but that doesn't mean they can't possibly be occuring - who is to say they are and are not - no one knows EXACTLY what is going on around the world at all times, nor whats on behind the scenes, people will commit atrocities in the name of their religious beliefs - doesn't mean all the followers nor that religion is bad. In today's world, yes - Muslim extremists are a problem, and the media portrays that very well. History just repeats itself.

Oh gosh, the world is ONE BIG MASSIVE CONSPIRACY. Do you wear your tin foil hat all day and all night?? Crikey!




The reason I say they are the same is not because of their individual beliefs, but because they are religious institutions and have millions of followers. The only difference I see with religions is their beliefs. How else do they differ? Extremists aside - I don't see the difference apart from the beliefs they hold? Thus, I don't see how atheists differ themselves either - just a different set of beliefs.

So other than numbers and occasional nut cases, they have nothing in common. Glad we're cleared that one up :)

Ok, back to US bashing!

[Ryan1080]

LOL, someone who is brought up Catholic, a member of the Catholic church until they die and say "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." isn't Catholic?

What are you on about? Who?

[SimonR32]

I believe there is a God, you believe there is no god. Atheism is like a religion.

What is ironic is that all atheists in this thread get on the defensive. It's a collective belief in something, and you're defending your belief, like a religious person would.

Same huh :D

That is such a illogical argument! Mind you all arguments based on religious beliefs usually are...

You believe there is a God, an atheist doesn't' believe in a god. Just because everyone doesn't believe in the Easter Bunny doesn't mean they are like a religion.

[SimonR32]

What are you on about? Who?

Hitler...

[Ryan1080]

That is such a illogical argument! Mind you all arguments based on religious beliefs usually are...

You believe there is a God, an atheist doesn't' believe in a god. Just because everyone doesn't believe in the Easter Bunny doesn't mean they are like a religion.

LOL, your argument is the illogical one!

You believe there is no god. I believe there is.

To put that into perspective, replace god with easter bunny, your belief in non-existence of easter bunny, will make you go kill the guy who believes in easter bunny, because he doesn't share the same belief as you.

Or alternatively, you being a muslim will go kill a non-muslim, becasue he doesn't share the same belief in Allah as you do.

Same same to me.

Belief in something existing, or not exisitng, is a belief regardless.

[Fukushima]

Huge wiki on hitlers religious views. Decent read.

So has the US invaded anyone yet?

[Ryan1080]

Hitler...

He was an atheist but, later in life when he committed genocide. So irrelevant.

[duste]

What Christian extremists are you currently afraid of?

I'm afraid of the stupidity of 'extreme' Christians/Catholics - to have people genuinely believing in shit like the Rapture, for instance, is a worry.

Also afraid of born-again Christians/Catholics.

:)

[Mad_Aussie]

LOL, your argument is the illogical one!

You believe there is no god. I believe there is.

To put that into perspective, replace god with easter bunny, your belief in non-existence of easter bunny, will make you go kill the guy who believes in easter bunny, because he doesn't share the same belief as you.

Or alternatively, you being a muslim will go kill a non-muslim, becasue he doesn't share the same belief in Allah as you do.

Same same to me.

Belief in something existing, or not exisitng, is a belief regardless.

This is exactly why I didn't post a religious topic. Religious conversations = lalalalalalalalalalalalalala

[Ryan1080]

I'm afraid of the stupidity of 'extreme' Christians/Catholics - to have people genuinely believing in shit like the Rapture, for instance, is a worry.

Also afraid of born-again Christians/Catholics.

:)

I've never come across one, but if I did, I'd tell them to fuck off. Woudln't be afraid for my life though.

What's 'rapture'? A cult?

Either way, there are a lot of mental people out there, and some of the things they believe in make them go well over board with their actions. Like US's sense for patriotism. Now that shit is scary, as per original post! :)

[Mad_Aussie]

What's 'rapture'? A cult?


Man, read up on the Rapture. Funny shit. aka the apocalypse, end of days, the return of christ, judgement day etc etc etc... Apparently Jeebus is coming back to take all the good christians away.

Personally I hope it happens, world will be much better off without them lol.

[esky]

God - An imaginary friend for idiots.

[TJ]

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[duste]

God - An imaginary friend for idiots.

THIS

[Mad_Aussie]

I don't pray for god to make me a better man...
I pray that man makes me a better god.

[Fukushima]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-05-17-syria-graves-protest-strike_n.htm

pingpingpingpings need to be invaded

[Ryan1080]

LOL Each to their own. Couldn't care less what others believe or don't believe in. I'm just part of the 99.9999% of silent Christians who don't preach their shit onto anyone else and keep it to themselves. As histroy has shown, the world would be a great place if 100% of all religions (incl atheists) kept their shit to themselves too.

Anyway, back on topic, I just came across this site, check it out!

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Just incredible!! The way they are going, that clock's gonna have to stop some day, not good!

[Mad_Aussie]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-05-17-syria-graves-protest-strike_n.htm

pingpingpingpings need to be invaded

This is exactly the reason why this bill in the US is scary though.
They don't need to be invaded at all! They need some sanctions slapped on them, told internationally they can't do it... But with this bill, the yanks pretty much give themselves permission to bomb them, without approval from the UN, so long as they cite "the war on terror".

Although that's unlikely to happen, it still could.
Worst case scenario I see is that this gives them an oppertunity to do a pre-emptive strike on Iran, or North Korea. This would be entirely disasterous for everyone.

[Ryan1080]

Hopefully there is enough common sense in the international community where they will put diplomatic pressure onto US to stop this non-sense.

Regardless of giving themselves permission or not, they can't just go attacking anyone willy nilly. They will still have to answer to the international community, their reputation would be on the line. I don't think they'll just jump easily into any war.

[Mad_Aussie]

Regardless of giving themselves permission or not, they can't just go attacking anyone willy nilly. They will still have to answer to the international community, their reputation would be on the line.

*cough* Pakistan *cough*

[Tre-Cool]

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The paki's are firing back at Nato helicopters entering their country.

[PAGZ]

need for antilag.com religion is high!

[Mad_Aussie]

The US has been entering soverign nations without permission of the international community for years.

Now they just don't need to have internal concerns about the 'permission' part.


need for antilag.com religion is high!

Church of offset and fitment?
Someone needs to go steal one of John's 13" rims and nail it to a cross.

[Damo 69]

no christian extremists? have you been to america?

[Ryan1080]

no christian extremists? have you been to america?

What have they bombed?

America is full of dumb shits, period.

[Mad_Aussie]

What have they bombed?

America is full of dumb shits, period.

Trade centre in Oklahoma.
Don't think it was religiously motivated however..

[Roobiks]

Ever heard of the Catholic Church mate? Whats the difference between them, and Muslims? SFA. One has had its beliefs torn to shreds by the media more than the other. Extremists are a problem for both. Only one doesn't make the media as much. ;)


Did you even read my post, mate? I am well aware that both have their extremists. School yourself on Lebanon in the early '80s.

The problem is, and everyone not engulfed in doing everything a book tells them knows it, is religion in general.

[eScoRt20]

What have they bombed?

America is full of dumb shits, period.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bomb-defused-ahead-of-queens-visit-20110517-1er2j.html

... catholics... bombs.... hate to say you're wrong dude, cause i agree with you, but....

[Ryan1080]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bomb-defused-ahead-of-queens-visit-20110517-1er2j.html

... catholics... bombs.... hate to say you're wrong dude, cause i agree with you, but....

Some pingpingpingpings hate the queen? WHat's that got to do with religion? Last time the UK royalty set foot there was exactly 100 years ago, before Ireland gained independence from UK, or thereabouts, bit hazy on dates.

I'd blow her up myself, she's a useless parasite leeching off UK's taxpayers! Good on them!

[eScoRt20]

Some pingpingpingpings hate the queen? WHat's that got to do with religion? Last time the UK royalty set foot there was exactly 100 years ago, before Ireland gained independence from UK, or thereabouts, bit hazy on dates.

I'd blow her up myself, she's a useless parasite leeching off UK's taxpayers! Good on them!

last i heard the irish republicans wanted to unite the whole of Ireland under a Catholic government?

[Ryan1080]

last i heard the irish republicans wanted to unite the whole of Ireland under a Catholic government?

Is there such a thing as catholic government? Anywhere?? Vatican excluded of course.

Perhaps the rebuplicans want a republic? It's well known the irish don't like UK monarchy! Wouldn't mind having a republic myself over here to be honest. If I only had a chance to meet the old cow when she rocks up over here for chogm, I'd happily to tell her to fuck off. Monarchy is so out of date in modern times.

[shifted]

The problem is, and everyone not engulfed in doing everything a book tells them knows it, is religion in general.

I think Rwanda (1994) was even looked into as possibly having involvement from priests? (vague skimming over this though, so not sure 100%)

I agree with your post though. But I can also see where the problem lies with people that don't believe in religion too - too much bandwagon and often it leads to misguided and unsubstantiated opinions instead of mutual understanding.

Either way - I don't see much changing in the near future.

How's the guy being featured on TT/ACA or whatever - reckons he is the 2nd coming of Jesus and has his own cult...?

[shifted]

I'd blow her up myself, she's a useless parasite leeching off UK's taxpayers! Good on them!

Definitely agree - was amazed by all the "royal wedding" shit too - who fucking cares??

Definitely an outdated system with no use in today's world.

[Ryan1080]

I think Rwanda (1994) was even looked into as possibly having involvement from priests? (vague skimming over this though, so not sure 100%)


Tin foil hat again? Another conspiracy theory? Hey, I heard it was Elvis who was possibly involved in Rwanda genocide, but not 100% sure.

[Ryan1080]

Definitely agree - was amazed by all the "royal wedding" shit too - who fucking cares??

Definitely an outdated system with no use in today's world.

Haha, yeah, so outdated and irrelevant! UK royalty has absolutely no say in the running of the country. What else do they do? Just sit there and wave, basically. It's nice to be born to a life of priviledge, and leech off taxpayers dollars all your life, and feel important and shit. Useless pingpingpingpings!!

I wish we seperated from it completely, it's a joke!

[duste]

Is there such a thing as catholic government? Anywhere?? Vatican excluded of course.

Perhaps the rebuplicans want a republic? It's well known the irish don't like UK monarchy! Wouldn't mind having a republic myself over here to be honest. If I only had a chance to meet the old cow when she rocks up over here for chogm, I'd happily to tell her to fuck off. Monarchy is so out of date in modern times.

I'd say the US is one - "God" is mentioned quite a bit in presidential speeches, is it not?

[Ryan1080]

I'd say the US is one - "God" is mentioned quite a bit in presidential speeches, is it not?

Interesting... when most of the people in US governemnt are Jewish, not Christian. And it's not like the church has anything to say in the running of US govt lol. Perhaps the synagogue does, who knows lol

[Tre-Cool]

Haha, yeah, so outdated and irrelevant! UK royalty has absolutely no say in the running of the country. What else do they do? Just sit there and wave, basically. It's nice to be born to a life of priviledge, and leech off taxpayers dollars all your life, and feel important and shit. Useless pingpingpingpings!!

I wish we seperated from it completely, it's a joke!

actually the no power thing is not true. they have quite a bit. they just give the perception that they dont.

case in point, queen wanted an entire street shut down for something. it was done.

had nothing to do with security for her. she asked. pingpingpingpings just obeyed.

[Ryan1080]

actually the no power thing is not true. they have quite a bit. they just give the perception that they dont.

case in point, queen wanted an entire street shut down for something. it was done.

had nothing to do with security for her. she asked. pingpingpingpings just obeyed.

Can they vote the pingpingpingping out? No? Dressed up dictatorship! I feel sorry for the poms :(

[Mad_Aussie]

Can they vote the pingpingpingping out? No? Dressed up dictatorship! I feel sorry for the poms :(

http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/k189842_HolyGrail007.jpg

[SimonR32]

Some pingpingpingpings hate the queen? WHat's that got to do with religion? Last time the UK royalty set foot there was exactly 100 years ago, before Ireland gained independence from UK, or thereabouts, bit hazy on dates.

I'd blow her up myself, she's a useless parasite leeching off UK's taxpayers! Good on them!

The Queen is the head of the Church of England... Equivalent to your pope, so actually it's got a lot to do with religion!

[Riggs]

If the UK wants to start a shitfight with someone else, the queen still has the power to declair war afaik.

The royal family actually make a lot of money in their own right.

[Ryan1080]

The Queen is the head of the Church of England... Equivalent to your pope, so actually it's got a lot to do with religion!

If I remember history correctly, the church of england was set up originally by some english king, 500 years ago or so, who used to be of christian faith. He wanted to marry his sister/first cousin or some shit, which is against christian faith (among other things such as common sense, DNA etc.) but the church didn't allow him to, no surprises there. So he went off and created his own church that would let him. The royal family has been in-bred ever since! (just gotta look at Charles' face to see how fucked up genetically they are), and the church of england has been around ever since too. Church of England, where rooting your sister matters! Surprised it hasn't taken off in Tasmania much... Don't know what's funnier, that or scientology haha.

[Ryan1080]

If the UK wants to start a shitfight with someone else, the queen still has the power to declair war afaik.

The royal family actually make a lot of money in their own right.

From investments, of which the capital originally came from the peasants.

Give me your money, and I'll use it to make more money in my own right too.

[Tre-Cool]

The queen/royal's have a good amount of shares in Rio Tinto. so yeah, they ain't going broke any time soon.

[Ryan1080]

The queen/royal's have a good amount of shares in Rio Tinto. so yeah, they ain't going broke any time soon.

I wish taxpayers gave my grandparents heaps of money to pass onto me so that I can buy heaps of Rio Tinto shares and not go broke today :(

[ReaperSS]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/breaking-news/russian-warns-of-new-cold-war-over-missile-defence/story-e6frg12u-1226058732126

[shifted]

Tin foil hat again? Another conspiracy theory? Hey, I heard it was Elvis who was possibly involved in Rwanda genocide, but not 100% sure.

WOW mate, seriously, just because I share a different view you straight away put me down to just tin foil shit? Are we back in primary school or something?

http://thewhitebull.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/catholic-involvment-in-rwanda/

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=1572766.0

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/11/30/rwanda.genocide/index.html?iref=storysearch

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/22/italy.rwanda.arrest/index.html?iref=storysearch

I have no issues with your beliefs - I also said VARIOUS times that I am not putting every follower in the same boat. People are entitled to what they want to believe. I will believe what I want to, and unfortunately I see religion in such a way that does not fit with your ideals, get over it.

I stand by what I said - there is fuck all difference between religions apart from their beliefs. And for all the followers that respect their religious views as well as others, there are those that also do not - IRRESPECTIVE of what religion they follow. People will try and justify their actions in whatever way they want, whether the actions are just/good or injust and negative. People will claim they are of any religion with the actions they take - again - not tarnishing everyone with the same stick. I know people that are catholic themselves, my parents are, in no way would I suggest they are in the same boat because someone else took their beliefs too far, or somehow misunderstood their nature and took things too far.

I have had preachers come up to me at random and I had no issues in listening to what they had to say - it is not for me though and I can hold an intellectual conversation with them without a drama - I respect their views, its great they found something they believe in and are happy for it - after all - everyone wants to be happy - so let them be.

End of the day - how do you know what is true or not if you were not involved yourself? You are only believing yourself blindly in faith and you think that is right - great - I am entitled to my opinion, and you are to yours. I have faith in my beliefs. I am not tarnishing your view on any matter - yet you are here trying to tarnish mine, because what? It is different to yours?

Yes, I said not 100% sure - because I glanced and skimmed through a story. Sorry for not investigating further and providing you with undeniable evidence.

I am on no high horse - seems you are.

My views on "GOD" will differ to most people out there, just because they do, doesn't mean I have an uneducated opinion, a tin foil hat on or any other bullshit.

End of the day - you and me can go back and forth on this topic all you want - and end of the day, I have my beliefs, you have yours - so lets leave it there because honestly, I have no interest in holding an argument over religion. People are entitled to believe what they want to. I have mine. You have yours.

[Ryan1080]

WOW mate, seriously, just because I share a different view you straight away put me down to just tin foil shit? Are we back in primary school or something?

http://thewhitebull.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/catholic-involvment-in-rwanda/

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=1572766.0

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/11/30/rwanda.genocide/index.html?iref=storysearch

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/22/italy.rwanda.arrest/index.html?iref=storysearch


Ok, let me make this clear, firstly I am not putting you down.

Secondly, my response isn't because of what I believe in doesn't agree with your beliefs or lack thereof, I keep my faith private, your business isn't my business and I won't be going out of my way to convert anybody, just like the rest of 99.999% of catholics. Do what you like.

Thirdly, my 'tin foil hat' comments are in relation to your misguided opinions you have formed by reading unsubstantiated comments made by randoms on dubious forums (as per links above) and a random article about a priest who may have committed a crime somewhere (they're only human you know!), that all of a sudden (according to you) tarnishes the entire religion, where you imply that his actions are in some way fully supported by the entire christian religion. Which then gives you the excuse to paint the rest as crooks. Which is bullshit. By your reasoning, using the same logic, if I go and ask a random criminal in jail, if they believe in god, if one says that they don't, I will immedialtely jump on forums and claim that because one dude who doesn't believe in god commited a crime, I can therefore come up with a misguided conclusion that not believing in god makes everyone who doesn;t believe in god, a criminal... see my drift?





I stand by what I said - there is fuck all difference between religions apart from their beliefs.

Religion is a belief. That's all there is to it. Your statement is very contradictory, and makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm tired of discussing this, seriously. I'm open to any logical discussion about anything, but it hurts my brain reading and responding to your posts. No offence :)

[beatle]

Actually, there have been Catholic extremists in Northern Ireland that in the past have blown themselves up killing mobs of Prodistents. However the number of Catholics that did that is much, much smaller than the amount of Prodistent bombers.

However, the Crusades were pretty fucking appalling on the Catholics part.

/ot

There is no oil in Ulster though...