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coFF33
16-05-2011, 01:43 PM
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Whatup,

I finally got my E-Cigarette from the USA today.
Its from Vapor4Life dot com!

Ive bought one to continue enjoying smoking whilst at the same time stop harming both my body and my wallet. Yes they do contain nicotine, but nicotine it self is not harmful to the human body, (yes, no shit look it up) everything else however in normal smokes , fucks you up hardcore.

I specifically bought one from the USA as usual the Aust Gov'n'mnt has banned all sales of the e-liquid which is "dripped" into the E-cigarette, IF IT CONTAINS NICOTINE.

So the UK. NZ. USA can all sell and your welcome to import Nicotine based liquids to vaporize in your E-cigarette, but Australians cannot sell it to other Australians! , Once again, good game Austfailia.

Anyway, Most of you are going to read this and be the usual "Why even fucking bother, smoking is for gays, smokings pointless why do it blah blah" etc..

Well let me put it to you this way.

Smoking now, due to Aust Gov'n'mental retards costs WAY too much to enjoy. Just like Cocaine or anything else thats good.

So with BP/CALTEX etc selling a packet of 20 marlboro cigarettes for $17 a packet shit is getting dumb. And to pay that much 5 times a week to enjoy smoking? . Well thats just full retard.

So how much is the e-cig costing me ?

To purchase the starter pack, $99, which includes :
Car charger
Personal Pocket charger
USB charger
2 batteries
and 10 Free flavored Liquid cartridges.

I also bought 3x 30ml bottles of 8mg Nicotine liquid which should last me going buy the guides on the net, around 3 months.

In 3 months smoking as i usually would, id have spent OVER $900 on cigarettes, full of harmful chemicals and bad shit that you just dont want.
With the e-cig its $15 a month or $45 every 3 months. to continue to enjoy smoking.

I recommend anyone else here that smokes to try these, yes its $100 straight out , but that might steer you away from normal smokes forever, and change both your health and your spending money in a big way!

Ill keep this updated best i can with how im going and if i can flick the standard smokes for good! .

Just thought id let other smokers know that there is another way out there that isnt a load of shit like gum/patches/drugs that cost loads.

peaceeeee..

Mad_Aussie
16-05-2011, 01:48 PM
I've been quite interested in these things.

Hows the flavour/ "texture" of the smoke? Is it particuarly harsh?
Would also be interested to know what other oils you can vape in it..

coFF33
16-05-2011, 01:54 PM
Well previous to the E-cig, im a menthol smoker.
I smoked Marlboro Ice Chill or If i could find it Ice Blast. Both which are very spearminty tasting menthols, in 6mg.


So the E-Liquids ive bought are all Peppermint/Spearmint/Ice Menthol ones that so far taste really really nice.

The action of smoking is slightly different, in which your used to taking sharp quick drags then blowing out a load of smoke followed by that taste on your tongue.

The E-cig needs less of sharp hard drag, and more of a longer slower drag. It kicks you nicely in the throat just like a real cigarette would, Exactly the same feeling. And you do exhale smoke (well vapor) and on the exhale it feels almost identical to smoking normal cigs.

The weird thing is, im having to count how many drags im having, as 14 is considered "a normal cigarette" because the E-cig is never ending really until the Cartomiser section runs out of liquid (1 whole packet) LOL!

Chrono90
16-05-2011, 01:55 PM
Vapes = Win.

Mad_Aussie
16-05-2011, 01:55 PM
lol. I'd be sitting in the corner going whitey pretty quick with that then, lol.

I expect plenty of photos of you vaping next to "no smoking" signs....

Niva
16-05-2011, 01:56 PM
thanks for this, ive been wanting to quit for a long time actually but i just enjoy it way to much.

also keen to know what its actually like, are they like the ones u get in freo markets? i know he will let you test before u buy

coFF33
16-05-2011, 01:57 PM
Cant wait to do it in the middle of a fancy resturant next tiem i get to one

Mad_Aussie
16-05-2011, 01:58 PM
Cant wait to do it in the middle of a fancy resturant next tiem i get to one

Do it in a maternity ward. Or at a cancer specialist.
Does the require maintenence? Clog up with resin etc?

Niva
16-05-2011, 01:59 PM
Well previous to the E-cig, im a menthol smoker.
I smoked Marlboro Ice Chill or If i could find it Ice Blast. Both which are very spearminty tasting menthols, in 6mg.


So the E-Liquids ive bought are all Peppermint/Spearmint/Ice Menthol ones that so far taste really really nice.

The action of smoking is slightly different, in which your used to taking sharp quick drags then blowing out a load of smoke followed by that taste on your tongue.

The E-cig needs less of sharp hard drag, and more of a longer slower drag. It kicks you nicely in the throat just like a real cigarette would, Exactly the same feeling. And you do exhale smoke (well vapor) and on the exhale it feels almost identical to smoking normal cigs.

The weird thing is, im having to count how many drags im having, as 14 is considered "a normal cigarette" because the E-cig is never ending really until the Cartomiser section runs out of liquid (1 whole packet) LOL!

lol, so dont use when on a pill then

coFF33
16-05-2011, 02:00 PM
Niva:
Vapor4life is one of the top USA sellers for e-cigs. and their Flavor range is amazing! huge amounts of flavors.
They taste good too , after this current mint cartridge im going to try the Blueberry (8mg) cartridge. As it smells real nice just opening it up.

i cant say ive tried teh freo markets one, but i did however try one in thailand recently in April. It was pretty fuckin shit compared to the one ive got in my hand as im typing this at work at my desk inside an office building. :)

Chrono90
16-05-2011, 02:02 PM
lol, so dont use when on a pill then

Or do :)

Could easy easy smoke through a pack of menthols if rolling :P :P

coFF33
16-05-2011, 02:04 PM
Does the require maintenence? Clog up with resin etc?


From what i have read,
the Cartomizers (butt section that you fill with your choice of flavor and mg) can block up after a few refils. But to clean you just pop the cap off the end that you place your lips on. Get tweezers to get the foam/cotton out, clean out the insides and some say
to soak it in Vodka to clean out gunk then, dry it out, replace the cotton and your good to go.

Blank cartomizers are only $8 for 5 and can be bought in aust ! :)

TJ
16-05-2011, 02:18 PM
Few perth wrx guys have use these with great success.

p.s Nice cisco phone

devilfish
16-05-2011, 02:21 PM
i just quit, am chewing gum as i type....

PIGSTi
16-05-2011, 02:21 PM
Yep have a look here. It didn't really take with me although I still have it there for the future. Definitely worth a try as it seems to worth with the majority.

http://www.perth-wrx.com/vb/non-wrx-discussion/40300-anyone-here-vaper-using-vaping-replace-ciggies.html

wormbo2
16-05-2011, 02:22 PM
Will definitely be showing the old lady this thread, she bangs through a 30 packet in 2 days, would save a shit load of cash with this!

Cheers John

_S9_
16-05-2011, 02:25 PM
i bought a 510 model for shits and giggles....

normally smoke 8mg menthols

18mg menthol nic-juice is still weak-sauce - theres no correlation between the mg of a real cig and the mg of the juice.

used to smoke 1-2 times/week while drinking with mates.

bought this thing - started vaping while on the shitter t-rex'ing, vaping while cooking, vaping while watching tv, vaping while vacuuming.... you get the idea.

now i smoke every day (vape and real)

FML :(

MrSparkle
16-05-2011, 02:25 PM
Whats really freaky is he can just pop it in his pocket when he is done and whip it out and start puffing without having to light up.

X g/f's old man had one of these and he said he stopped smoking ( the real one's) instantly. So with a bit of luck more people will catch onto this and be able to kick the habit.

Good luck dude.

Mad_Aussie
16-05-2011, 02:28 PM
How much access do you have to the inside of the fluid cartridge? Is the propylene glycol in the refil liquid itself and the cartridge is essentially empty, or is this permanently in the cartridge and acts as a "sponge" for the nicotine solution to be absorbed in?

Joe
16-05-2011, 02:34 PM
Read the PWRX thread.. more info than you could ever need.

Niva
16-05-2011, 02:35 PM
ok im sold!

thanks again

RK 86 WA
16-05-2011, 02:39 PM
Looks pretty good! Which specific option was yours from the website?

RELEASE
16-05-2011, 02:39 PM
mate got these:
http://www.elusionelectroniccigarette.com.au/

tried them and did nothing for him...now just sit on his desk doing SFA

c.rusli
16-05-2011, 02:41 PM
ayyee matee.. got a spare cig? lol!

Keen to see the feedback on these.. been trying to quit smoking for few months but it just hard to give up something that you enjoy doing on your stressed times or even talking crap with your friends!

keep us posted dude..

Jiblet
16-05-2011, 02:43 PM
hmm must give this a go... wanting to quit for ages but like going out for a break from work !

Skitzo
16-05-2011, 02:49 PM
mate got these:
http://www.elusionelectroniccigarette.com.au/

tried them and did nothing for him...now just sit on his desk doing SFA

Id say that would be due to containing no nicotene.

Mad_Aussie
16-05-2011, 02:50 PM
Id say that would be due to containing no nicotene.

lolll

coFF33
16-05-2011, 03:06 PM
Whoever asked,
I got the Ultimate Ultimatum starter kit :

http://store.vapor4life.com/Ultimate_Ultimatum_Automatic_E_Cig_Kit_p/vk-1000-pcc.htm

It took 2 weeks to arrive from the USA

i got 3x 30ml flavors too , so it lasts me a fair while and at $15 each 30ml bottle they are pretty much the same as buying a pack from IGA or whatever, but they'll last a month + instead of 2 -3 days (IF THAT!)

The only gripe i had , was jus driving home from work just then, as the actual cigarette you hold is larger than a normal smoke, it wasnt simple to drive. so im thinking maybe, if you want something almost exact as a smoke get a smaller Automatic shorty kit

http://store.vapor4life.com/Vapor_King_Ultimate_Ultimatum_shorty_Starter_Kit_p/vk-4000-pcc.htm

Tastes fuckin good tho, and so weird not having the car full of dirty smoke from the usual normal smokes.

Kaido
16-05-2011, 03:20 PM
ayyee matee.. got a spare cig? lol!

Keen to see the feedback on these.. been trying to quit smoking for few months but it just hard to give up something that you enjoy doing on your stressed times or even talking crap with your friends!

keep us posted dude..

Lol

just before i went away catch up with afew mates, and one of them had the e-cig.

Was thinking about buying one for you? there is some china website that sell the kits for like $50

edit: you can also get some crazy tasting liquid for you it

Niva
16-05-2011, 03:22 PM
wank in the toilet, break from work. same

Jiblet
16-05-2011, 03:37 PM
pics of comparison between size of e-ciggy and normal ciggy? sounds massive if you can't drive easily

SCR34M3R
16-05-2011, 03:39 PM
i got one from http://www.elusionelectroniccigarette.com.au/
Don't use it that much but if i'm going to a pub/club i take it with me, smoke it inside as it is only vapor your blowing out. Get told to not smoke inside and i show them and they don't have a problem.

coFF33
16-05-2011, 03:42 PM
pics of comparison between size of e-ciggy and normal ciggy? sounds massive if you can't drive easily


hence why ill prolly fork out another $50 to get the "shorty" one. its about double the size. Shorty is only like 4mm bigger

ImPreSiV
16-05-2011, 06:06 PM
Few perth wrx guys have use these with great success.

p.s Nice cisco phone

I am one of said Perth-wrx'er who has successfully used the e-cig.

I bought the eGo-T model from Juicewhore and got nic juices from Rossco (see Jaron's link) and he set me up. I went from smoking a pack every 2 or 3 days to 0 ciggy's straight away.

I bought a pack of ciggy's on a Wednesday arvo before leaving work - got home and Ross came over with my e-cig. 6pm that night was the last ciggy I smoked - it's now been over 3 months and I haven't had one. Had my bux in that time, honeymoon to Bali, plus lots of other 'smoking' oppertunities and it's been so so easy!

No cravings, no need to smoke - still have that pack I bought that Wednesday sitting in my desk draw - so when people ask me for a ciggy at work I can give them one.

I now hardly use my e-cig. Last time I used it was on Saturday morning at Joe's bakery when someone lit up next to me. I can quite comfortably go out without it now - but if I'm going to be with mates who smoke, or drinking heavily I take it.

THE best thing ever, and I am so thankful I gave it a go!

PS: get watermelon and juicy peach flavours from Juicewhore - the bomb!

/1/2 strength Joespec essay

HANS YOLO
16-05-2011, 06:12 PM
go see doc for 'Champix'

best thing i ever did!

to4garret
16-05-2011, 06:30 PM
go see doc for 'Champix'

best thing i ever did!

QFT.

Been over 18 months free thanks to the help of champix.

Halle Terry
16-05-2011, 07:37 PM
Can you get these without nicotine?

Kind of keen to try it out.

Roobiks
16-05-2011, 09:01 PM
Will definately have to look into this after a holiday coming up.
Currently ~ a pack a day. Same as others - can't (don't want to) quit because I just enjoy too much.

AL group buy?

coFF33
17-05-2011, 06:19 AM
go see doc for 'Champix'

best thing i ever did!

Great stuff dude! , but this thread is here for those who ENJOY smoking still. But dont want the harmful effects and the stupid cost of enjoying smoking.




Can you get these without nicotine?

Kind of keen to try it out.

Sure can, Read my first post Terry, you can get a massive amount of flavors here in Aust without nicotine in them!

Or if you order from the usa (cheaper) you have even more of a range
www.vapor4life.com



Will definately have to look into this after a holiday coming up.
Currently ~ a pack a day. Same as others - can't (don't want to) quit because I just enjoy too much.

AL group buy?



Exactly mate, I also enjoy smoking, i love one after dinner, one in the car when im cruising, one with a beer. And this is the perfect device to keep that enjoyment up, but not fuck yourself up and pay the government stupid amounts of money to continue your habit.

coFF33
17-05-2011, 06:24 AM
Also,

First morning without a real cigarette with my morning coffee, 0 cravings, the e-cig did very well replicating the usual routine i do in the morning to get ready for work.
And the super advantage, i just puffed away in the loungeroom with the heater going, watching the news and having a coffee, instead of having to go outside like i usually do with a normal cig and freeze my ass off.

My girlfriend got up and didnt even smell the vapor in the air :)

Marti
17-05-2011, 07:47 AM
i had used one of these in the past and to be honest it didnt work, the only way i was able to give up and stop completly was to have a doctor prescribe me champix, i havent smoked for close to a week now and have no cravings

coFF33
18-05-2011, 06:12 AM
Day 2,
Started coughing up chunks of brown/grey shit in the mornings and sometimes throughout the day.
Feels like pieces of my lungs are breaking off and coming out my mouth.
Its quite disturbing , but i know that its just all the crud from years and years of tar and other crap coming out.

I guess the only positive is that i can spit these chunks like 4m in distance which i find funny.

Need for a cigarette (real one) hit me this morning though... I resisted for now.

ps. Blueberry flavor 8mg is just amazingggggggggg!

devilfish
18-05-2011, 07:12 AM
Careful with Champix guys made me feel pretty low when i was on it, if you start feeling depressed whilst using go to the doctors ASAP as it has been linked with increased suicide.

Good luck coff33, i have been quit now for 4 weeks, you will get ill when you stop due to all the toxins getting out, expect a mega cold / snot episode!

C

Anahera
18-05-2011, 09:26 AM
QFT.

Been over 18 months free thanks to the help of champix.

Adrian and I quit using Champix. The only way for me to quit was to be physically sick from having a ciggy. I threw up on Roe highway on the way to work - that was the end for me :)

I have had a ciggy since then but it made me feel like shit and made me realise why I quit.

Yes be carefull as Champix can trigger depression if you have signs of it already. It didnt affect me I was happy as Larry.

I only miss the social aspect of smoking....

Marti
18-05-2011, 03:09 PM
Day 2,
Started coughing up chunks of brown/grey shit in the mornings and sometimes throughout the day.
Feels like pieces of my lungs are breaking off and coming out my mouth.
Its quite disturbing , but i know that its just all the crud from years and years of tar and other crap coming out.

I guess the only positive is that i can spit these chunks like 4m in distance which i find funny.

Need for a cigarette (real one) hit me this morning though... I resisted for now.

ps. Blueberry flavor 8mg is just amazingggggggggg!



Im starting to cough up brownish crap aswell

coFF33
19-05-2011, 06:38 AM
Day 3
Had mexican last nite
was dope as fuck. GF makes the best mexican sometimes i think in a past life she was a sweaty mexican.

After eating two quesadillas and drinking a beer, i felt like a needed a real ciggy so bad. Like REAL fuckin bad. So i pussyed out and sat outside with the GF while she had one, and tryed to get as much 2nd hand smoke as i could get whilst sucking down on my E-cig.

Passed the night without having a proper cig, cravings went away after about 15 drags of my e-cig. All good , watched Hells Kitchen and went to bed.

This morning i was driving to work and hocking up massive fireballs and spitting them out the window, one hit a commodore which was cool.

peace.

AGIT8D
19-05-2011, 06:56 AM
^^ Reckon the temptation would pass if your mrs didn't have a pack in the house?

coFF33
19-05-2011, 07:03 AM
Yeah your right, it most likely wouldnt be on my mind that there is a pack that i can access and fix that craving that i have. But she smokes them only a few times a day, no where near as much as i used to. And they're hers, im not gonna just go bin them :)

But will power is what its all about. If the pack is there and i can resist it. Then it makes quitting all that more awesome.

Skitzo
19-05-2011, 08:00 AM
Why isn't your mrs joining you in this smart move?

coFF33
19-05-2011, 08:18 AM
well she can quit anytime she likes. ive seen her go without a smoke for a week or 2 solid just because she wants to.

cheeky NZ girl has super will power.
shes only smoking once or twice a day now because currently work is very stressful.

AGIT8D
19-05-2011, 09:20 AM
But wouldn't the nicotine in your e-cig assist her in destressing? Surely no smokes > 1-2 smokes a day..

I know this is your little plight but I would've thought she'd rally behind you and make it easier, as well as assisting her own health by kicking the fags.

Skitzo
19-05-2011, 09:41 AM
Agreed Dan. Especially if she can quite like it aint no thang. I don't understand why she would smoke every now and then. Surely there is other thigns she can do to destress. That's my thoughts anyway, because im a non smoker.

Mad_Aussie
19-05-2011, 10:37 AM
But wouldn't the nicotine in your e-cig assist her in destressing? Surely no smokes > 1-2 smokes a day..

I know this is your little plight but I would've thought she'd rally behind you and make it easier, as well as assisting her own health by kicking the fags.

Replace the contents of her cigarettes with reefer. This will be much more effective for her de-stressing.

coFF33
19-05-2011, 11:14 AM
her housemate actually has a fair bit of that.
lol that'd be awesoem entertainment , might do that on sat arvo! :)

Mad_Aussie
19-05-2011, 12:49 PM
Empty cigarette, slip maccas straw inside, pack tightly with "new" tobacco, and about 2mm of 'old' tobacco on top (to disguise it), hold contents down with a skewer while you take the straw out, and you've got a perfect troll cigarette.

Also works well when you use black powder to stuff it with.
I don't reccomend doing that to her.

stumps.
19-05-2011, 01:13 PM
Mad Aussie are you bob marley?

Wozzernux
19-05-2011, 01:37 PM
Empty cigarette, slip maccas straw inside, pack tightly with "new" tobacco, and about 2mm of 'old' tobacco on top (to disguise it), hold contents down with a skewer while you take the straw out, and you've got a perfect troll cigarette.
Reminded me of this for some reason, no idea why.

http://happilyfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bullet-quit-smoking.jpg

Chrono90
24-05-2011, 11:35 AM
You guys need one of these.

http://www.noob.us/humor/whitest-kids-u-know-nic-o-dick/

Simon
02-08-2011, 09:24 AM
Revive an old thread.

Anyone know if you can still by them in Freo markets? If so roughly where in there?

Really need to quit, Pack of Stuyvesant filter's a day is pretty bad.

Jumanji
02-08-2011, 09:59 AM
I'm on Champix currently and im over throwing the tablet back up, nausia, and fucked up dreams. Mrs isnt too keen on letting me try this, is there any info you could share that would change her mind?

AGIT8D
02-08-2011, 10:01 AM
Moreso, progress update from coffee, did you stick this out or bail for real smokes?

coFF33
02-08-2011, 10:06 AM
Well what more is there to say ??

1. They harm the human body about as much as standing in a really hot shower breathing in steam
2. They cost fuckall and give you enough nicotine to continue your day.
3. They save you ass loads of money
4. You dont smell like shit anymore
5. You can smoke inside pubs / resturants / friends homes, so you dont have to be the pingpingpingping going outside all the time
6. You look cool doing it
7. Your car doesnt smell like shit anymore
8. there is 40+ flavors to try
9. calms cravings even when drinking (i still smoke normals when im drinking tho, or alternate)
10. The morning after having e-cig all nite when on the piss instead of normal cigs , reduces hangover at least 40% for me !

Do some more research on them and watch youtube videos of doctors/examiners findings.

READ: DONT WATCH MEDIA NEWS HYPE BULLSHIT REPORTS


Updates on me :

Lately ive been chowing Marlboros , as ive been working on my car EVERYDAY after work trying to get it running again so i can go drifting in sep.
not as bad as i used to though, maybe 4 an arvo maybe 6 an arvo, pending how many beers im having or how pissed off i am that shit isnt fitting or working with my car or some shit like that, but its definatly helped my wallet thats for sure, and i can smell/taste better and its cool in winter not having to go outside constantly for a smoke, can watch Rick Ardon and have a coffee and vape in my lounge

around 12 of my smoking friends from drift and just personal life have all bought them aswel and are loving them! :)


Vapor4life FTW!

all the aussie ones , freo markets/malaga etc are all junk, dont waste your money.

Jumanji
02-08-2011, 11:07 AM
Well what more is there to say ??

1. They harm the human body about as much as standing in a really hot shower breathing in steam
2. They cost fuckall and give you enough nicotine to continue your day.
3. They save you ass loads of money
4. You dont smell like shit anymore
5. You can smoke inside pubs / resturants / friends homes, so you dont have to be the pingpingpingping going outside all the time
6. You look cool doing it
7. Your car doesnt smell like shit anymore
8. there is 40+ flavors to try
9. calms cravings even when drinking (i still smoke normals when im drinking tho, or alternate)
10. The morning after having e-cig all nite when on the piss instead of normal cigs , reduces hangover at least 40% for me !

Do some more research on them and watch youtube videos of doctors/examiners findings.

READ: DONT WATCH MEDIA NEWS HYPE BULLSHIT REPORTS


Updates on me :

Lately ive been chowing Marlboros , as ive been working on my car EVERYDAY after work trying to get it running again so i can go drifting in sep.
not as bad as i used to though, maybe 4 an arvo maybe 6 an arvo, pending how many beers im having or how pissed off i am that shit isnt fitting or working with my car or some shit like that, but its definatly helped my wallet thats for sure, and i can smell/taste better and its cool in winter not having to go outside constantly for a smoke, can watch Rick Ardon and have a coffee and vape in my lounge

around 12 of my smoking friends from drift and just personal life have all bought them aswel and are loving them! :)


Vapor4life FTW!

all the aussie ones , freo markets/malaga etc are all junk, dont waste your money.

Thats great mate thanks :)

EDIT: what does it mean by the passthrough manual or auto? and also how long do the batteries last for?

magic1
02-08-2011, 11:12 AM
Go check the thread on Perth Wrx. good info.

DTM-031
02-08-2011, 01:22 PM
manual you hold a button down while you inhale, auto automatically activates when you drag

batteries a good couple of days i've found, but they come with portable charger, car charger and wall charger so you're fine wherever you are

sam5709
02-08-2011, 04:51 PM
After reading this thread I ended up buying the shorty starter kit, Iv been using it around 1 month now and love it, Im still in the stages of trying out all the different flavours but im about to order a few different liquids for refilling, since this time my mum has bought a kit and so has a close friends of mine.

Best thing about these is that while Im detailing a car at work i can sit in there and keep vaping.

I still buy a pack of winnie blues on a Friday night because after a few drinks i get silly and always seem to miss place it, im currently only in possession of one battery because i left one in a chicks car that i dont want to see again :/ and when Im in a pub everyone wants a puff :S

another thing to look out for is when you register with their website almost every day i get emails with passcodes for discounts of up to 30 percent which is good although to order through more liquids you really need to plan 2 weeks in advance as thats how long it takes to get here which sucks but only if you dont plan for it.

Jumanji
09-08-2011, 07:32 AM
http://www.ouffer.com/ouffer/1656/source/email

Offer is on today, if anyone wants to know.

evoeata
09-08-2011, 08:19 AM
Give Allan carr's book the easy way to quit smoking a go mate. I read it in November 09 and haven't had one since! You have to want to quit and still use a fair bit of willpower but it definitely helps