Who's the HOON on Today Tonight? LOL

[1cut808]

Anyone else see the report??

Cops followed "souped up" Skyline for 4 kays and didn't identify themselves until the driver speed away in fear of his safety thinking it was potentially a thug....

He then gets done for HOON law and car impounded etc, etc...

[DanWA]

yeah skyline owner getting off hoon charge

props for persistance! he did only win on a poxy technicality though

[mxracer]

yea , fkuc n shirt lifter in a muscle shirt .

he has a point , cops bait ya , and label hoons just because you drive a hot car
(note to self , remove chaser badge , fit camry badge or drive van more often )

[Milhouse]

good on him for sticking up for himself.

after taking 4 streets and having them sit up the arse of his car, its no wonder why he put his foot down to get away.

then they claim "oh yeah but we warned you about your exhaust last december"

[Gleeso]

How safe can it be sitting up someones ass for 4km's. So much for keeping the streets safe.

[thrtytwo]

I seen the preview of this yesterday, didnt mention the whole story. Cant believe cops followed him for 4 days haha

although he did say "I was just driving in an industrial area late at night" and I laughed

[TJ]

He is a member on here.

The guy works in a professional role, and is a car enthusiast.

The cops baited him into doing something stupid.

The Sargeant then lied in court. Fuck the police on this one.

[TJ]

uring the one-day trial at Midland, driver Sgt Gavin Thobaven said he followed Mr Franklin because his car was flagged as a vehicle of interest.

He continued to follow it until the police computer could tell him why it was flagged.

But his passenger, Const. Rachael Giggins, testified that information about an exhaust warning a month earlier came through quickly and she told Sgt Thobaven this immediately.

However, he continued to follow the car without the siren.

Top work police.

[ED40]

although he did say "I was just driving in an industrial area late at night" and I laughed

nothing wrong with that at 2am in the morning lol.

Anyone capture and upload this? Keen to see..

[xr6tego]

He should now be reimbursed the impound fees and associated costs with having his car impounded unlawfully.
Good on him for taking it to court.

[rhyshc]

It was certainly souped up so to speak

[TJ]

He should now be reimbursed the impound fees and associated costs with having his car impounded unlawfully.
Good on him for taking it to court.

He was awarded nearly 8k.

[Bomber]

Group Buy on GoPros to show the evidence in court? I know I will invest in one when the garage has another performance car in it.

[Fozzy]

Im not really up for dobbing but I say good on Constable Giggins for not lying under oath and sticking it to Sgt Thobaven.

Should be demoted or fired for lying under oath.

[ho57ile]

Not a legal expert here but isnt that perjury? A pretty serious offence?

[[Jacek]]

I recognise the driver's face - he went to my high school in the year above me.

Well done.

And yes ofcourse we all know that driving in an industrial area at 2am is suspicious - but at the end of the day we're allowed to do whatever we want, supposedly...

[stormtrooper]

Where did the 2am thing come from? The guy said in the news article he was driving home from the gym at 9pm.

And yes, if that corrupt copper lied under oath, he did indeed purger himself and could well be in a shitload of trouble.

[mxracer]

maybe he shoulda called the cops when he felt threatened. then they woulda done him for talking on phone while driving , but at least it would of been the fastest ever recorded response time for an emergency call

[Lmx]

link to news video?

[schnoods]

Last bit of story says that the police will appeal too?

Good on him for sure, fair is fair and entrapment is bullshit to say the least.

[TJ]

This is beyond entrapement imho

Had the pulled up next to him and egged on for runs, and he nailed it, then yeah get done for hooning.

They tailed him so closely he couldnt see the front of their car. At night, without a clue they are cops, that is a scary thing. He didnt clutch it up the street for giggles, he waited a while and decided he needed to gap then so stood on it.

[duste]

Just putting it out there, but wouldn't the light from the "hoon's" taillights have illuminated up the 'POLICE' on the bonnet of the car if he was tailgating that hard, or was it unmarked?

Either way, very good to see someone getting off these bullshit charges.

[Doctor Chimargo the Dog]

This is beyond entrapement imho

Had the pulled up next to him and egged on for runs, and he nailed it, then yeah get done for hooning.

They tailed him so closely he couldnt see the front of their car. At night, without a clue they are cops, that is a scary thing. He didnt clutch it up the street for giggles, he waited a while and decided he needed to gap then so stood on it.

This has happened to me a couple of times when I first hopped on my P's a couple of years ago in the Volvo, on both occasions it was a UC following. Luckily the 1st time I had a friend rolling behind them and he texted me to say what was what, the 2nd time I was leaving Burswood on a Saturday night heading towards South Perth McDonalds. As soon as they got really close I just got off the accelerator and slowed down to a stop... They turned on the dancing lights and so I was luckily enough to be selected for a random licence check and then sent on my way

[fourseven]

I would say it was an unmarked car. He'd have no defense if it was a fully marked vehicle surely!

[TTZ]

Had the pulled up next to him and egged on for runs, and he nailed it, then yeah get done for hooning.



Really? You agree with this practice?

My nopics witnessed this the other day, cops in a (undercover) modified SS revving at the lights for the whole duration, another chick at the lights in a sportscar just sitting there, lights change and she gives it some and the cops turn on their lights. If "hooning" is so dangereous why encourage it?

[TJ]

I would say it was an unmarked car. He'd have no defense if it was a fully marked vehicle surely!

Yeah it was Rhett. But even so if it was a fully marked car at night in a pretty dark area it would be hard to see with its lights fully up your ass.


Really? You agree with this practice?

My nopics witnessed this the other day, cops in a (undercover) modified SS revving at the lights for the whole duration, another chick at the lights in a sportscar just sitting there, lights change and she gives it some and the cops turn on their lights. If "hooning" is so dangereous why encourage it?

I dont agree no.

BUT

We make the choice to dial up a few thousand rpm and get on it, or click back to 3rd for rolls ons.

[Fozzy]

An SS you say.. lol

[TJ]

SV6 looks the same!

[Bomber]

If "hooning" is so dangereous why encourage it?

I'd put it out there that catching a hoon or similar would form some part of a KPI for the traffic cops.

[TTZ]

An SS you say.. lol

she said... who knows could have been an omega with a spoiler but is beside the point

[YOUR MATE]

Just because someone is revving and insinuating runs from the lights, doesn't mean you have to do it. You're choice.

Good thing this guy got off the charges. That's a pretty dog act. Why follow and try to provoke something instead of flashing the lights, doing the usual license/breatho and letting them be on their way? pingpingpingpings.

[S_E]

Really? You agree with this practice?

My nopics witnessed this the other day, cops in a (undercover) modified SS revving at the lights for the whole duration, another chick at the lights in a sportscar just sitting there, lights change and she gives it some and the cops turn on their lights. If "hooning" is so dangereous why encourage it?

It's all about road safety.

[RICEY]

Really? You agree with this practice?

My nopics witnessed this the other day, cops in a (undercover) modified SS revving at the lights for the whole duration, another chick at the lights in a sportscar just sitting there, lights change and she gives it some and the cops turn on their lights. If "hooning" is so dangereous why encourage it?

My cousin's brother's ex girlfriend's uncle was minding his own business the other day when a modified Veyron pulled up next to him with two drag queens driving and he gave it a bit off the lights and accidentally chirped one of the back wheels on his Civic and the drag queens put out a blue light and pulled him over.

I shit you not.

[earlybirds]

^^^gold

[Risk10k]

My cousin's brother's ex girlfriend's uncle was minding his own business the other day when a modifed Veyron pulled up next to him with two drag queens driving and he gave it a bit off the lights and accidentally chirped one of the back wheels on his Civic and the drag queens put out a blue light and pulled him over.

I shit you not.

Gobbies to get off? Errrr. Gobbies to blow off heat? Errrm... Sucked dick to not get said of in ticket cum stain? ..... Too much time on Tocchi's FB page.

[WAIT4ME]

this was my brother. what happened on the night was absolutely bullshit, and hence why he wanted to fight it. coppers still want to appeal and have a few weeks left to do so. fingers crossed dont have to go thru all the bullshit again.

[_S9_]

no article/video link after 2 pages???

[n1ghth4wk]

Here's the video footage of what happened (really >_>).
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPqZKvk72_4

[DISTRBD]

The cops baited him into doing something stupid. .



Fucking bullshit

[TJ]

Like fuck they didnt. 9pm at night, industrial area, your getting tail gated.

What are your genuine options?

Stop ? Then what, maybe get attacked for your car?
Continue to drive around in the hopes they leave?
Ring 000? Then get done for using a phone will driving
All he did was accelerate to create some room. He would have not done this had he not been tailgated for no reason. Simple really - they created the circumstance.

[crabman]

Im amazed the charge didn't stand and the courts came up with the excuse of "If you feared for your safety why didnt you drive to a police station"

Pretty homo sounding. Glad im not involved in the mess.

[1JZVL]

what if he just braked really quickly....then got hit in the rear :D

[Jumanji]

How safe can it be sitting up someones ass for 4km's. So much for keeping the streets safe.

+1 Imagine the shit storm if they caused an accident due to said tailgating. Channel 7 would have had a field day...

[duste]

what if he just braked really quickly....then got hit in the rear :D

Probably try to nab him for reckless driving and argue that there was no need to stab the brakes...

[Fukushima]

ask stickers what happens if you brake check a cop :)

[TJ]

I didnt brake check one, but I stopped in front of one that had been following me for about 5 minutes, threw my indicator on and got out of the car. I didnt want to drive home with randoms following me. In hindsight thats not a smart thing to do at 3am.

Only then did they make it known who they were. Absolutely no need for it.

Having said that, I had an extremely positive experience on Sunday night. Both cops were nice, friendly, professional and were done and gone quickly. So we cant tar them with the same brush.

[JBAE]

Yeh you can't Tj highway patrol and normal cops are worlds apart! Never had an issue with a normal cop other than getting paddywagoned a few times which I prols deserved! As for highway patrol I'm yet to meet one that doesn't deserve to be burnt alive! :)

[SLEEKA]

Cheers for the kudos everyone - it's been an ongoing saga for a little while now and as soon as the appeal period is over (28 days) I will breathe much more easily.

For obvious reasons I can’t go into too much detail until the dust settles however I’ll reply to what I can.


yea , fkuc n shirt lifter in a muscle shirt .

he has a point , cops bait ya , and label hoons just because you drive a hot car
(note to self , remove chaser badge , fit camry badge or drive van more often )
By shirt lifter do you mean a white collar that goes to the gym? You're right, as a white collar I get plenty of exercise behind the desk and I am really overdoing it by attending a gym...

FYI - I was in my suit (just came from work) and TT asked me to get into gym gear for the "re-enactment" as I was actually coming from the gym on the night - I wasn’t trying to be a Harry Hard pingpingpingping


I seen the preview of this yesterday, didnt mention the whole story. Cant believe cops followed him for 4 days haha

although he did say "I was just driving in an industrial area late at night" and I laughed

That’s what I was worried about because people would think I was just out dropping skids. The truth is that I go to the Innaloo gym and I live in Ballajura, its normal for me to take this route home.

In case people still don’t believe me... the car is a stock R34 Gtfour, i.e. N/A Rb25 with AWD, it couldn't drop a skid if I tried.


He should now be reimbursed the impound fees and associated costs with having his car impounded unlawfully.
Good on him for taking it to court.

Cheers mate

The $7 odd grand in the paper in legal fees was awarded to my lawyer. I don't see any of that, but I'm just glad my costs were (potentially are) covered. I really didn’t have $7k to drop.

The impound fees should be returned to me (approx $940), however we need to wait for the appeal period to be over before I can apply for the reimbursement


It was certainly souped up so to speak

My lawyer Chris Baker definitely knows more about the law than cars themselves. Mine is so souped up that it still has the stock RB25DE NEO in it!


Im not really up for dobbing but I say good on Constable Giggins for not lying under oath and sticking it to Sgt Thobaven.

Should be demoted or fired for lying under oath.

The truth is that Giggins and Thobaven weren’t allowed in the court room at the same time so Giggins wasn't aware what Thobaven said on the stand. With that being said, I'm really glad that she told it exactly how it was because it really outlined the true events.

Thobaven made it VERY clear that the sole reason I wasn’t pulled over when first identified was because my car was a vehicle of interest and he didn’t know why (could potentially be drug/gun related). For this reason, he didn’t want to risk his safety or the constable’s by pulling me over without having the full details (which is fair enough). He was adamant that the information surround my VOI was not made available until after the chase and me being pulled over due to the computers running slow.
Constable Giggins totally contradicted him saying that the information was made available almost immediately, i.e. before Malaga Drive and she passed that information onto the sergeant.

I mentioned the perjury side of things to my lawyer and he said that nothing will come of it. Basically, they can just argue that he was under pressure/nervous and got the story mixed up, even though it was a blatant contradiction...


Not a legal expert here but isnt that perjury? A pretty serious offence?

I’m lodging a formal complaint but I think that is as far as it will go..


maybe he shoulda called the cops when he felt threatened. then they woulda done him for talking on phone while driving , but at least it would of been the fastest ever recorded response time for an emergency call

That’s what the prosecutor said.. you must be as smart as him!!

I tell you what – the next time someone is chasing you through the backstreets and you are giving it an earful, you should try to get on your phone and call the police. They would have booked me for talking on the phone as well as taking my car!

With that said, my phone was in my gym bag which was in my boot and totally inaccessible.


This is beyond entrapement imho

Had the pulled up next to him and egged on for runs, and he nailed it, then yeah get done for hooning.

They tailed him so closely he couldnt see the front of their car. At night, without a clue they are cops, that is a scary thing. He didnt clutch it up the street for giggles, he waited a while and decided he needed to gap then so stood on it.

I agree – unfortunately entrapment is not a valid defence in Australia and even the magistrate said that the police can do as they please to “egg us on” as long as they do not break the road rules themselves. However these techniques are being more commonly employed by the Traffic Enforcement Group.


Just putting it out there, but wouldn't the light from the "hoon's" taillights have illuminated up the 'POLICE' on the bonnet of the car if he was tailgating that hard, or was it unmarked?

Either way, very good to see someone getting off these bullshit charges.

Cheers mate

The car was an unmarked black XR6 Turbo sedan. Normally I’m pretty good at picking unmarked cars, however this one totally threw me – which is why I was concerned. It was dark, I was in an industrial area, the car is dark and right up my bumper.. it was hard to pick.

I honestly thought it was someone trying to have a go at me. If I knew it was police, I wouldn’t have booted it that would be plain stupid. With that being said, the second the police identified themselves, I pulled over. No pursuit was engaged, which proves that I was running away from an unknown (undesirables) car and I stopped for a police car.

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I'd put it out there that catching a hoon or similar would form some part of a KPI for the traffic cops.

It almost looks that way.

The fact is that according to the sergeants sworn testimony, he decided to identify themselves at 95km/hr (speed limit of 50 km/hr) which is the magical 45km/hr amount over to enter hoon territory. Why didn’t he want to identify himself at 60 or 70 or 80 or 90? Because that would have been a simple speeding fine.


Just because someone is revving and insinuating runs from the lights, doesn't mean you have to do it. You're choice.

Good thing this guy got off the charges. That's a pretty dog act. Why follow and try to provoke something instead of flashing the lights, doing the usual license/breatho and letting them be on their way? pingpingpingpings.

Cheers mate

The funny thing was that this was during project octopus yet I was not breathalysed – not even asked if I had been drinking. Makes you think what they had on their minds. Too busy organising tow trucks and slapping that yellow sticker on.


Fucking bullshit

I don’t see how this is anything other than a blatant bait?
They identified me on Reid Hwy as a VOI at which time they had FULL information on me, my car and the reason why I was a VOI. Why not pull me over on Reid Hwy in the 60km/hr area where it is safe? Why not pull me over on malaga drive where there isn’t a single other car on the road? They had a reason to pull me over yet they didn’t take it.
No – it’s better to follow and tailgate all this way then continue through the backstreets of Malaga for 4km to get a reaction.
I’m not saying what I did was 100% right – but at the end of the day I was put in a situation that I was not comfortable with and I wanted out. I wasn’t going to pull over for some random car late at night and ask questions.. I was by myself and I didn’t know who I was dealing with. I decided to run. Fight v Flight.



Like fuck they didnt. 9pm at night, industrial area, your getting tail gated.

What are your genuine options?

Stop ? Then what, maybe get attacked for your car?
Continue to drive around in the hopes they leave?
Ring 000? Then get done for using a phone will driving
All he did was accelerate to create some room. He would have not done this had he not been tailgated for no reason. Simple really - they created the circumstance.

Spot on

The amount of people I have spoken to during after this event that has been put in similar situations is very disturbing.

I’m not saying I’m a fantastic driver, however I know my car and I know Malaga. You have to ask yourself, what if a young P-plated in a 300-400HP Skyline, SS, Supra etc etc tried the same thing and looped it and crashed/injured/died? What would happen then? I bet that there would be serious repercussions because the police didn’t identify themselves in a timely manner.

On a final note, I don’t hate cops – I have nothing but respect for them. My uncle retired as an inspector for the police and I have friends in the police force. With that being said, if the traffic enforcement group think it is acceptable to tailgate and follow people late at night in the backstreets of Malaga without identifying themselves then they need a good wake up call. It is not uncommon for these practices to be used (as most of you would know with modified cars) so I think that it is important that these situations are brought to light in the public eye.


Cheers

[Buckets]

no article/video link after 2 pages???

X2 wheres the video guys?

Apparently "you can slow down or stop anywhere / anytime" according to the traffic womble who gave me a warning for "improper use of my horn" so if they are tailing you your all good for a brake check.

[Sammish]

Cheers for the kudos everyone - it's been an ongoing saga for a little while now and as soon as the appeal period is over (28 days) I will breathe much more easily.


Congratulations on bringing this bullshit into the public domain. Although i can't help but think that it wont change a thing. The baiting TEG stuff has been around for as long as they have its pathetic that they can still get away with this.

If anything you should have been comended for the fact that you have enough restraint to not have pulled over and thrown a brick through their window like every other terry.

Its amazing how a few skids in windowi (spelling) gets on perth now and its one of the most discussed topics. But a story like this doesnt get a mention because for once the good guy won. Perth needs to pull its head out of its ass when it come to this kind of crap... its been going on for way too long.

Well done mate and i hope u get compensated for the blaintant miscarrage of "justice"

[TJ]

Congratulations on bringing this bullshit into the public domain. Although i can't help but think that it wont change a thing. The baiting TEG stuff has been around for as long as they have its pathetic that they can still get away with this.

If anything you should have been comended for the fact that you have enough restraint to not have pulled over and thrown a brick through their window like every other terry.

Its amazing how a few skids in windowi (spelling) gets on perth now and its one of the most discussed topics. But a story like this doesnt get a mention because for once the good guy won. Perth needs to pull its head out of its ass when it come to this kind of crap... its been going on for way too long.
Well done mate and i hope u get compensated for the blaintant miscarrage of "justice"

Errr it was in the news, online and TT did a tv story on it...

[crabman]

Surely there's an AL detective that can get a story on perth now praising this guy for his efforts to reverse the charge and slander the teg for their use of baiting and blantant lieing in court. Are they under oath in traffic offence court dealings??

"Traffic cop lieing under oath reverses HOON charge."

[Sammish]

Errr it was in the news, online and TT did a tv story on it...

I saw it. I was pointing out the lack of discussion about the story. I have alot of free time at work so i read the opinions of the dole bludgers who sit at home writing to perth now. Its incredible how much public Disdain
there is for hoons but when its the cops on the back foot... nothing.

*edit spelling no red squiggle on IE makes me sad. cheers

[stormtrooper]

*Disdain

[Satan]

as someone who has been fined by police using this very same tactic, I take my hat off to you sir!

armadale road, 4:30ish am pitch black, on way to work - maniac at my rear


arseholes

[stumps.]

I heard on the radio last week something about a police officer being hoon lawed, then getting trouble for another officer covering it up. I can't find the article and it wasnt on here. Did anyone else here about this?

[d1mitch]

The truth is that Giggins and Thobaven weren’t allowed in the court room at the same time so Giggins wasn't aware what Thobaven said on the stand. With that being said, I'm really glad that she told it exactly how it was because it really outlined the true events.

Thobaven made it VERY clear that the sole reason I wasn’t pulled over when first identified was because my car was a vehicle of interest and he didn’t know why (could potentially be drug/gun related). For this reason, he didn’t want to risk his safety or the constable’s by pulling me over without having the full details (which is fair enough). He was adamant that the information surround my VOI was not made available until after the chase and me being pulled over due to the computers running slow.
Constable Giggins totally contradicted him saying that the information was made available almost immediately, i.e. before Malaga Drive and she passed that information onto the sergeant.



the thing is if he was worried about you potentially being a VOI for gun related issues then why would he tailgate and intimidate, surely if you were a crazy perosn with a gun that would only make you get out and shoot them.

if he was following but not identifying for his own safety wouldnt he follow from a safe distance???

i have had a similar thing happen to me when i was on my P plates driving my 32 a copper off duty in his own car followed me for ages all round my suburb until i gave it shit trying to lose him (note: he also chased at stupid speeds through residential streets in his personal car)
i go home once i lost him, tell my old lady what happened still no idea it was a cop. she then gets a call a few hours later form srgt something something telling her he is going to impound my car and all this shit, she pretty much told him to fuck off

[ReaperSS]

what if he just braked really quickly....then got hit in the rear :D

They will then clame you rammed there car. My mate got done for that

[Butcher]

Indicate wait 3 flashes then brake hard turning into a driveway?

[Slip_]

ahhh me big 5zero. Scumbag scheister pingpingpingpings. Can't even get their own story straight.

[<<V!>>]

Cheers for the kudos everyone - it's been an ongoing saga for a little while now and as soon as the appeal period is over (28 days) I will breathe much more easily.....Cheers

Saw this on TV.

Well done for sticking to your guns and winning.

And well done for getting public awareness on this kind of thing.

I must also say, unexpected to see this covered in the way it was by TT, allthough I do note thier "preview" the night before lacked the headline "COPS TAILGATE DRIVER" and leaned carefully towards selling the "mystery driver" edge to the story.

[2jzlux]

I heard on the radio last week something about a police officer being hoon lawed, then getting trouble for another officer covering it up. I can't find the article and it wasnt on here. Did anyone else here about this?




Was some rocko coppers and their boss,got done for 75kph over on a bike alledgedly and was let of by the dudes pulling him over till they were found out and fucked over.

[JME]

Hand brake, 180, first corner in 3rd, watch XR6 understeer/oversteer, mount kerb and into sand trap..............i.e. reinact tocchi track night.

[SINISTR]

Cheers for the kudos everyone - it's been an ongoing saga for a little while now and as soon as the appeal period is over (28 days) I will breathe much more easily.
Cheers

Good on you for standing up for yourself in view of what you were faced with.
1km is enough to get all the info they need - 4 is fkn freeky to say the least.

[kirbo]

Good to hear this is being processed correctly. Good luck with the rest of the case.

Question: If I am waiting at a red light next to a marked police vehicle; Is it illegal to play with my cars throttle in any fashion until the light goes green? Of course to then accelerate away in a legal manner.

[Ryan1080]

Probably not if you make excessive noise...

[RICEY]

Yeah you could be slapped with undue and excessive noise.