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RELEASE

10-02-2011, 03:26 PM

Helping mate set up his house and he wants to use a NAS.

Basically a NAS with 2 bays containing 2TB drives in each. one drive will mirror the other as a backup.

Going to have NAS plugged into his ADSL router so wireless connectivity but also getting a switch where we will run cable from switch to his entertainiment room (PS3, etc), his dads PC in another room, and to a spare PC outside that will run music, etc in his outside area.

Recommendations on which NAS to use? What people have used and are good?

The "D-Link DNS-323 2-Bay NAS Storage Enclosure + Bonus 5P Switch" seems like a decent kit and with the bonus switch even better.
Only concern is on the official data sheet it says harddrive max is 1.5TB each but then on the fine print it says:
Maximum HDD capacity supported may increase in future depending on advances in SATA technology.
i assume maybe the doco is a little old as SATA technology has surpassed 1.5TB capacity.

ideas?

10-02-2011, 03:29 PM

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Alt_F4

10-02-2011, 03:30 PM

So devo TJ beat me too it

stormtrooper

10-02-2011, 03:30 PM

Have a look into a brand called Thecus. Good no-frills product, good connectivity (usually has things like GB ethernet, E-SATA, USB etc). Can pick them up for fairly cheap and have 2 year warranties on them from what I remember. Can pick them up from Altech in Osborne Park and a lot of other places too.

http://www.thecus.com/product.php?PROD_ID=50

Cost about $200 if you have a look on staticice.com.au

Edit: Please for the love of GOD! Stay the FUCK away from D-link!!!!

Mistikal

10-02-2011, 03:31 PM

I've got a Netgear ReadyNAS Duo, never really had any issues with it.

Haven't used any other NAS unit before, however given how easy mine is to use, I'd recommend them to just about anyone looking for decent storage capacity with a small footprint.

For what it's worth, picked mine up for peanuts, was the cheapest on the market and does EVERYTHING that I'd need it to do, even has it's own Torrent service built-in.

Edit: I'd have to agree with Mr Sorepooper above, don't go down the path of D-Link, have always had issues with their products... however I've never had issues with Netgear but other people do. Would be the same shitfight as Holden vs. Ford in many ways.

Sammish

10-02-2011, 03:34 PM

I only use qnap...picked on up cheap when i was at PLE now i use them purely because nothing has ever gone wrong... other then that...i got nothing to add...i have the ts-210

stormtrooper

10-02-2011, 03:36 PM

I've got a Netgear ReadyNAS Duo, never really had any issues with it.

Haven't used any other NAS unit before, however given how easy mine is to use, I'd recommend them to just about anyone looking for decent storage capacity with a small footprint.

For what it's worth, picked mine up for peanuts, was the cheapest on the market and does EVERYTHING that I'd need it to do, even has it's own Torrent service built-in.

From experience the Netgear ones are not too bad. Though the web UI for them is a touch flaky sometimes and it will shit itself, however the product will still be running, just can't manage it hehe. But the only one that a client of mine has that I manage (didn't sell it to them at all) seems to behave itself pretty well. Only had the web ui on it lock up twice in a year......

RELEASE

10-02-2011, 03:42 PM

ok spoke to a few people and they also said stay away from D-Link
i got the idea from D-Link as someone from here mentioned they use one in a thread a little while back

also got told by the resident geek at work stay away from netgear.

the other resident geek said Thecus too

Cheers stormtrooper on the Altech!
Thecus N2200 2-bay NAS 'HDD Ready' = $249!
cheaper than D-Link and definately compatable of 2x2TB capacity drives!

:D

BassMstr

10-02-2011, 04:16 PM

Look at synology

Have used there products in different setups and never had a problem.

2 Bay one is here and i know they support 2TB hard drives.

http://www.synology.com/enu/products/DS211j/index.php

ben351

10-02-2011, 04:19 PM

I think he is married to Kelis

RELEASE

10-02-2011, 04:28 PM

mitchy

10-02-2011, 04:29 PM

bhappy

10-02-2011, 04:31 PM

QNAP

BassMstr

10-02-2011, 04:31 PM

cheers for that...will look into them too
do you know who sells them locally or is ebay the best way to buy them?

the Thecus N2200 reviewed shows alot of people saying its slow.
Thecus N0503 is pretty fast but its near on double price...

will have to see if mate will stretch his budget

I sell Synology so have a look on website and if you see a model you like let me know.

I have used Thecus before and had no problems but i wasn't streaming files off it to ps3 or xbox360.

BassMstr

10-02-2011, 04:33 PM

semi hi-jacking here...
can you get wireless NAS setups?

i have my lappy and my PS3, and i want to be able to download torrents to a drive and the PS3 pick them up from there without having to have my lappy on.

How about just getting a NAS and plugging into your wireless router?? Then it will be shared over the network and be able to download files without the laptop on.

RELEASE

10-02-2011, 04:35 PM

QNAPcost an arm and a leg those things!

RELEASE

10-02-2011, 04:36 PM

I sell Synology so have a look on website and if you see a model you like let me know.

I have used Thecus before and had no problems but i wasn't streaming files off it to ps3 or xbox360.sweet cheers.
will see what i come up with and let you know if i go down that path.

mitchy

10-02-2011, 04:37 PM

How about just getting a NAS and plugging into your wireless router?? Then it will be shared over the network and be able to download files without the laptop on.

i was hoping to plug it into the PS3, so it doesn't lag, but be wireless from the lappy.

at the moment i have an external HDD set to syncronise with my lappy, just a pingpingpingping having to plug it in when i download stuff.

stormtrooper

10-02-2011, 04:47 PM

i was hoping to plug it into the PS3, so it doesn't lag, but be wireless from the lappy.

at the moment i have an external HDD set to syncronise with my lappy, just a pingpingpingping having to plug it in when i download porn.

Fixed :P

mitchy

10-02-2011, 04:59 PM

same same... porn on 40" LCD > 15.6" LCD.

_S9_

10-02-2011, 05:33 PM

things to look out for: ACTUAL REAL WORLD TRANSFER SPEED

Just cos they say "gigabit ethernet" doesn't mean they transfer as fast as that.

ie. I got a WD MyBook World Edition with GbE. Transfers at 3-4mb/sec :(

LNYMRKO

10-02-2011, 07:08 PM

If you've got the money, look into a DROBO unit.. after coming across many different storage solutions at work (I work in IT) I've found these to be ultra reliable for home/small business use. I have one at home with a similar setup to what you've mentioned here, for storing/stream all my movies/tv shows etc, and recommend them highly.

It's a great feeling knowing that all my data is safe in it with redundant hard drives (even have it partitioned for one disk to use Mac's built in backup app Time Machine, so even my software/music/everything I store on my laptop also is backed up and safe) - After having an internal hard drive failure and external media hard drive failure (separate times) you tend to never want to go through it again hahaha.

South

10-02-2011, 07:48 PM

Do not touch Drobo, bunch of bollocks. Good for smashing against the wall and nothing else.

DLink if you are on major budget and want capacity for cheap.
Netgear if you want to spend a smidge more, for less, but have semi decent
Iomega if you have the coin and want quality (EMC own Iomega)

At the end of the day, the drives inside are all cheap, so you are paying for functionality, component quality and redundancy quality, cheap cheap will be software RAID, midrange will be cheap hardware RAID and expensive should step it up to battery backed RAID...

I've used them all

RMX

10-02-2011, 09:11 PM

At home I run a ReadyNAS NV+ with 4 x 2tb drives in it. It was the most cost effective solution and I'm very happy with it.

http://www.netgear.com.au/au/Product/Storage/Work-and-Play2/RND4000
It is 10/100/1000 Ethernet only and functions as a print server.

Paid about $340 plus about $100 each for the 4 2TB drives

I upped the internal RAM from 256mb to 1gb, It uses a single DDR2 SO-DIMM and that improved performance aswell.

DanWA

10-02-2011, 09:13 PM

synology is where its at

to4garret

10-02-2011, 09:43 PM

I know nothing, but my HP EX495 is great. Doubled the ram, upgraded the CPU, added 8TB to it, WHS is great for SOHO but I needed a bit more, win 2k8 r2 runs fine, even with a vm or two, best thing is the form factor and how quiet it is.

I brought mine from megabuy.com.au about a year ago.

http://www.displayblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HP_MediaSmart_EX495_BW.jpg

_S9_

11-02-2011, 08:29 AM

Once again, all these recommendations mean fuckall if you can only transfer to it at SLOW-ass speeds.

Everyone with a NAS, mind quoting some Windows file copy speeds over GbE?

(none of this "a tv episode in 30 seconds" that means zero. quote the transfer speed displayed by windows7 at about 50% through the copy process)

ie. THIS is what a NAS transfer at full gigabit speed should look like..
http://ix9.integratedx.com/images/posts/gbe_copyspeed.jpg

RELEASE

11-02-2011, 08:41 AM

LNYMRKO

11-02-2011, 09:13 AM

Do not touch Drobo, bunch of bollocks. Good for smashing against the wall and nothing else.

Care to explain why? I've had nothing but success with all the ones I've used/setup, including my own. None of them have ever skipped a beat for me. (Granted, I've only used them in Mac setups though, so I can't vouch for their Windows performance, but then again OS shouldn't really have anything to do with it)

Also, stay away from D-Link/Netgear cheap shit in my opinion.. you get what you pay for.

brynj

11-02-2011, 10:55 AM

I sell Synology so have a look on website and if you see a model you like let me know.

I have used Thecus before and had no problems but i wasn't streaming files off it to ps3 or xbox360.

PM sent!

South

11-02-2011, 11:18 AM

Everyone with a NAS, mind quoting some Windows file copy speeds over GbE?

This number is very dependent on the PC equipment you have, the drive read/write speed and the quality of your cabling and switching devices. Your a bees dick off the theoretical max speed of gigabit. So you have invested coin in your setup.

Care to explain why? I've had nothing but success with all the ones I've used/setup, including my own.

Have recently taken on a new contract, the previous company installed Drobo, its cheap and nasty. Failed drive = 2hrs on the phone to setup a login, then online to lodge fault = fucked in the head. Device would only turn on when in upside down position, network performace was shit, gui and drive reported max total size of 16Tb rather than actual installed of 4Tb. Couldnt pay me enough to use one again.

LNYMRKO

11-02-2011, 11:33 AM

That sucks! Mines been fine, but then again I wouldn't use them for a corporate solution anyway, in my experiences in home use they've been great.

Unless im missing something particular to the setup you experienced.. With a failed drive however, wouldn't you be able to just exchange it? All drobo units have hdd hot swappable supportability and automatic rebuilds without even going offline..

South

11-02-2011, 11:42 AM

That's what warranty is for, you call the manufacturer and they send you a new drive.

Client is too tight to pay the $60 to get a new drive to plug it in, no above and beyond for those sorts of people...

Either way, no good for anyone to use, other than cheap door stop.

RELEASE

11-02-2011, 01:02 PM

seems spending that little bit extra for a QNAP is gonna be worth it.
QNAP TS-219P+ ($460)
with 1.6GHz processor, 512MB ram, etc....it seems to be the fastest

every other one in the lower end is running 800Mhz processor at most with 128MB or 256MB ram..