Election Today

[Macca]

Don't forget to vote fukkers

[Brett_J]

About to go brave the local primary school.

Hopefully this thread doesn't turn into a shitfight on who's voting who and for what reasons, no one cares pingpingpingpings :)

[Steppo_GT]

big eared pingpingpingping FTW!

[Fukushima]

haha there isn't much to care about except that if labor gets in I get a fibre optic internet connection next year (vic park exchange)

libs back in power with greens balance of power in the senate could be interesting, and tony abbott might revive the chaser and other comedians as the prime minister we all love to hate

[Scaf]

I'm voting for megatron.

[DCEVO]

Stupid fucken election Go Budgie Boi!!

[gav_wah]

rodimus prime > megatron

[jaybee]

im voting for whoever looks better in a black nike singlet

[SircatmaN]

im voting for whoever looks better in a black nike singlet

Abbott?

[1JZNOSHIT]

if these guys appear anywhere on the ballot paper, they will get my vote.

http://www.sexparty.org.au/

+1 for JerkChoices.

[TJ]

National socialist party ftw

[Joe]

I'm votin for the Jews, about time they had some rights I thought..

[SircatmaN]

I wish the pirate party of Australia managed to register before the election. They are 1000x better than the sex party and all of there policies are pretty good, they researched unlike labour and libs.

[gav_wah]

nigerian party?

[///M]

voted... but either way we are fucked

[SK]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w171/starkal_photo/dicktation.jpg

[mys1]

Im with joe on the jews front....

if enough of us just write "jew" on the ballot paper, think of the good times!

Muzeltov!

[Cold Fusion]

the people standing outside the voting places are so annoying, they are like seagulls, im suprised they wernt pretending to have one leg so id feel sorry and vote for them :\

[ovaxitd]

i flew out today and nowhere to vote @430 in am at th skywest fly desk.... my bad...

[BOUZ]

anyone know what time the polling booths are open until?

[Torquen]

Anyone keen to rock up in budgie smugglers? lol.

[magic1]

im voting for whoever looks better in a black nike singlet


i dont think Jazza is running this year

[Lonewolf]

Little tip, go to a different electorate to do an absentee vote.
I jumped the queue of 50 losers and in and out in 5 minutes ;)

[shifted]

Went liberal! :)

Mrs didn't. :(

[INSINR8R]

Why the fuck would you go Liberal?

I seriously hope Labour stays in power. Abbott has no clue.

[fourseven]

LOL as if Abbott and Gillard mean fuck all. They are both puppets to more powerful and influential people within the party. Have we learnt nothing from the Rudd ousting?

Stop voting for popularity and vote for policies.

[Bomber]

Stop voting for popularity and vote for policies.

Both parties policies are as bad as the people that are representing them.

EPIC FAIL either way......

[SimonR32]

Why the fuck would you go Liberal?

I seriously hope Labour stays in power. Abbott has no clue.

Take a bow for showing others the reason why their should be a licence to breed in this country...

[mehow2g]

Why the fuck would you go Liberal?

I seriously hope Labour stays in power. Abbott has no clue.

Why does he have no clue genius? I would ask the same question if you said the same about Labour

[1JZNOSHIT]

anyone know what time the polling booths are open until?

6pm you queer.

[Ryan1080]

Voted Liberal. Kevin07 was epic fail. GTFO of the office labor and bring back the competent govt!

You can tell a lot of labor voters hate labor nowadays. My dad has voted labor most of his life. This is the first time in a long time he's voting against them lol!

[Brett_J]

Didn't take long to turn into shit fight, you pingpingpingpings suck.

[Joe]

No shit.. one person mentions who they're actually voting for and its game on.

[adrenalin]

Absentee vote for win.

Budgie smuggler > ranga dyke.

Labour did nothing but rape the country then turned to mines for money to recover.

Thanks for making my shares drop assholes.

[locote]

+1 for orgy (sex party)

[lambchops]

voted for the sex party and then a massive penis on the green ballot paper :)

[BOUZ]

Take a bow for showing others the reason why their should be a licence to breed in this country...

your mum should have stopped breeding after she had your sister cause you aint nothin but an oxygen theif!

[MMM]

Absentee vote for win.

Budgie smuggler > ranga dyke.

Labour did nothing but rape the country then turned to mines for money to recover.

Thanks for making my shares drop assholes.

x2

[INSINR8R]

Love how elections bring out the best in people.

Fuck getting into a debate. It doesn't matter who takes power in the end, we're screwed.

I only want Labor to win so we keep the NBN and not have it changed half way through.

Abbott having no clue - "Don't believe everything I say"
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/dont-believe-everything-i-say-tony-abbott/story-e6frf7l6-1225868371537

Why the fuck would you say that if you were trying to become the next PM?

Or this - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/11/2979410.htm


/end

[Skitzo]

Voting for mah boy Bangs!

[MMM]

Fuck getting into a debate. It doesn't matter who takes power in the end, we're screwed.

/end

it kinda does matter

[INSINR8R]

Take a bow for showing others the reason why their should be a licence to breed in this country...

Righto.


it kinda does matter

Really? So under a Labor government, they'll lie and we'll get ass fucked for the next 4 years and under a Liberal government, they'll lie and we'll get ass fucked for the next 4 years.

It's like when Labor gained power over the Howard government. Everyone thought that it was the change we needed. Now look how many people changed their tunes.

"Labor lied, labor didn't do this, they didn't do that"

It'll be the same under the next government, regardless of who is in power.

[shifted]

Vote Labour/Vote Liberal = Same/Same.

Any time Labour has been in power, we've been rooted. Dad went through the Hawke government, and judging by what Kevin and Julia did - I wouldn't vote for them if they paid me.

End of the day - doesn't matter who you vote for - as fourseven said - it means fuck all cos other shit is at play...

Abbott has no clue - yet Julia back peddles, then does damage control the next day for her fuck-up.

Meh. :)

[INSINR8R]

Vote Labour/Vote Liberal = Same/Same.

Any time Labour has been in power, we've been rooted. Dad went through the Hawke government, and judging by what Kevin and Julia did - I wouldn't vote for them if they paid me.

End of the day - doesn't matter who you vote for - as fourseven said - it means fuck all cos other shit is at play...

Abbott has no clue - yet Julia back peddles, then does damage control the next day for her fuck-up.

Meh. :)

Thank you! Hahaha :D

[Ryan1080]

Love how elections bring out the best in people.

Fuck getting into a debate. It doesn't matter who takes power in the end, we're screwed.

I only want Labor to win so we keep the NBN and not have it changed half way through.

Abbott having no clue - "Don't believe everything I say"
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/dont-believe-everything-i-say-tony-abbott/story-e6frf7l6-1225868371537

Why the fuck would you say that if you were trying to become the next PM?

Or this - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/11/2979410.htm

Good luck to Australia if he takes over.

/end

I think it is more important to have the country's economy in tip top shape, with fair taxes, and people with a clue running the country, than live in a socialist country run by incompetent muppets but with a faster internet connection. Whooptie fkn doo...

And what Abbott said in that article, is a reality for ALL politicians. At least he was honest about it!

In regards to the NBN, Abbott's view is that this should be left to private industry to develop, which I think it's fair enough.

[fourseven]

The NBN is great in theory, but there are too many unanswered questions, its lacking a business case, and in 8 years it will be privatised.

[Ryan1080]

It's like when Labor gained power over the Howard government. Everyone thought that it was the change we needed. Now look how many people changed their tunes.

Howard was in power for 12 years, four terms. He got voted out mainly because people got bored of him. He wasn't 'cool' enough to visit Rove Live for example. And they felt like they needed a change purely for the sake of a change. Now look where that got us. Labor hasn't even finished its first term after such a long period of time not being in power, and they've already done a lot of fuck ups.

Historically second term is a guaranteed win for a government, last time a govt lost after one term is in the 1930s. Currently there is a strong and realistic possibility for labor to lose this election after only one term. What does that tell you? That the Labor government was utter SHIT! Why should we keep the incompetent muppets in power?

[INSINR8R]

I think it is more important to have the country's economy in tip top shape, with fair taxes, and people with a clue running the country, than live in a socialist country run by incompetent muppets but with a faster internet connection. Whooptie fkn doo...

But our economy did survive, we managed to get through the recession fairly well compared to a lot of other countries. Our dollar is doing well against the British pound and the US Dollar, the stocks are nearing levels back to pre-recession levels.

The government giving us the stimulus package helped a lot.

Both parties will blow their budget regardless. There's always more things than they have money for.

They need to get their priorities in order and stick to them. Look at the federal health system. Both parties say they will improve it, but they never do.

Unless pensioners have a bulk amount of super, they struggle to live.

We need better funding for schools, but that gets side tracked too.

Both parties will not fulfill their election promises. It's a vicious cycle.

[fourseven]

It's a vicious cycle.

That's all that needs to be said. It is a vicious cycle, but historically this country is better off in the vicious circle under a Liberal government.

[INSINR8R]

Howard was in power for 12 years, four terms. He got voted out mainly because people got bored of him. He wasn't 'cool' enough to visit Rove Live for example. And they felt like they needed a change purely for the sake of a change. Now look where that got us. Labor hasn't even finished its first term after such a long period of time not being in power, and they've already done a lot of fuck ups.

True, but ultimately his Workchoices was his undoing.

Workchoices came to light during their third term in office. How much of a stink did the working class kick up when they had to sign contracts that meant at anytime they could lose their jobs for no reason.

Howard brought in the GST. There was a huge uproar because the prices of a lot of things went up significantly, but he got through the election and nowadays we don't even think about the GST on items.

I'm finished. I've expressed my opinion.

[MMM]

True, but ultimately his Workchoices was his undoing.

Workchoices came to light during their third term in office. How much of a stink did the working class kick up when they had to sign contracts that meant at anytime they could lose their jobs for no reason.


yet unemployment was at all time lows....

[shifted]

Please stop using the GFC as an excuse - it is a load of shit.

Libs want to fix NBN black spots - then leave private. Decent enough.

I would prefer this country not be in debt - not possible under labour.

I would even go so far to say as labour supporter = delusional.

[Lonewolf]

I drew an extra box and labelled it "none of the above" and put a 1 in it.

[shifted]

http://www.hedweb.com/animimag/donkey.jpg

[INSINR8R]

yet unemployment was at all time lows....

Currently it's at 5.2%

The lowest Howard had it was at 4.1%

Unemployment rate when Labor took power - 4.4%

Dec 2007
EMPLOYMENT increased to 10,588,500
UNEMPLOYMENT increased to 483,100

July 2010
Employment increased to 11,220,600
Unemployment increased to 619,100

Those figures aren't too bad, but they aren't great. But at the time Labor lost power to Howard, the unemployment rate was 8.1%.

This government has had it only rise less than 1%.

Just sayin.

[adrenalin]

Once again uneducated.

Stimulus package did fuck all. Only 19% went back into spending. Everyone else used it to pay off loans / credit cards or overseas.

Labored mining tax is to recover things like that.

[INSINR8R]

Yet our economy survived without taking a massive hit.

Fuck me. I hope today goes by so quickly.

[jaybee]

I think it is more important to have the country's economy in tip top shape, with fair taxes, and people with a clue running the country, than live in a socialist country run by incompetent muppets but with a faster internet connection. Whooptie fkn doo...

And what Abbott said in that article, is a reality for ALL politicians. At least he was honest about it!

In regards to the NBN, Abbott's view is that this should be left to private industry to develop, which I think it's fair enough.

and now for a more important matter, whens the next wagyu batch? because i want in man!

[Ryan1080]

Yet our economy survived without taking a massive hit.

Fuck me. I hope today goes by so quickly.

The main reason why our economy survived was because our economy was left in a very good shape by the Liberal govt prior to labor taking over. All of Labor's 100 billion dollar debt from early 90s was paid off, there was a massive surplus (which was depleted with the stimulus) and Peter Costello's strict banking regulations etc meant our banks were ran and better than overseas, and so on.

There is no way that Labor can take credit for saving the country from GFC. Perhaps a little bit of credit, but majority of it would have to go to previous governments efforts in running this country. Labor simply inherited a successfully managed country.

[Ryan1080]

and now for a more important matter, whens the next wagyu batch? because i want in man!

Hopefully in a couple of weeks time haha, I'm pushing them. It's been a while since last one.

[Drift_R32]

there is something mentally wrong with tony abbott..its pretty obvious. not to mention hes a fukn staunch catholic or watever, so he is all about cencortisation etc etc.

[[FFOUR]]

Didn't vote, don't care.

My life hasn't changed regardless of who was in power in the past, don't see that changing.

[1JZNOSHIT]

;692609']

My life hasn't changed regardless of who was in power in the past, don't see that changing.

+1 for me, hense my #1 vote went to the Sex Party.

[schnoods]

Once again uneducated.

Stimulus package did fuck all. Only 19% went back into spending. Everyone else used it to pay off loans / credit cards or overseas.

Labored mining tax is to recover things like that.

I spent mine in Thailand getting stimulated.

Voted Libs for House of Reps, voted Shooting and Fishing party for senate.


I reckon there needs to be a National Motoring Party, Would do well i reckon.

[Lmx]

Had to vote liberal..
Don't want our country being run by a ginger or a woman so that cancels labor out
Sex party will legalise gay marriage so they lost my vote
liberal it is.

[Atomic_FD]

Donkey ftw.

[Torquen]

and now for a more important matter, whens the next wagyu batch? because i want in man!

x2 ate my last steak in the week :(

[Brockas]

Got mobbed by 3 Greens trying to get me to vote for them on the way in.

"Fuck off you hippie scum" didn't go down so well with them.


Australia is FUCKED if the Greens get the upper house, regardless of who's in the lower house.

Libs win lower, greens win upper, anything they suggest the greens will squash, so nothing will get done.

Labor win lower, greens win upper, they will be able to pass ANYTHING at all. Say goodbye to the economy.



What's worse, is that labor could win this election with only 35% of the primary vote, compared to the libs 51%.

[TJ]

But our economy did survive, we managed to get through the recession fairly well compared to a lot of other countries. Our dollar is doing well against the British pound and the US Dollar, the stocks are nearing levels back to pre-recession levels.

The government giving us the stimulus package helped a lot.

Both parties will blow their budget regardless. There's always more things than they have money for.

They need to get their priorities in order and stick to them. Look at the federal health system. Both parties say they will improve it, but they never do.

Unless pensioners have a bulk amount of super, they struggle to live.

We need better funding for schools, but that gets side tracked too.

Both parties will not fulfill their election promises. It's a vicious cycle.

Great post.

Both sides are equally as fucked as each other, its just a matter of which socio-economic group wears the burden.

[Fukushima]

it'd be more likely that the coalition would cut deals with labor than deal with the greens

i think we can all agree that when the coalition had control of both houses it was bad for both the country and the coalition in the end

I'd just be happy to see the end of family first having a say in anything

http://newstechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/steven-fielding-watermelon.jpg

[mattah]

Had to vote liberal..
Don't want our country being run by a ginger or a woman so that cancels labor out
Sex party will legalise gay marriage so they lost my vote
liberal it is.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8030/207notsureifserious.jpg

[Autopilot]

I cast my vote for the lesser of two evils.

[protecon]

i flew out today and nowhere to vote @430 in am at th skywest fly desk.... my bad...

lol there was a polling booth next to the Dome on the way in - had to postal vote yesterday.

[Autopilot]

Live results here (http://vtr.aec.gov.au/)

[adrenalin]

But our economy did survive, we managed to get through the recession fairly well compared to a lot of other countries. Our dollar is doing well against the British pound and the US Dollar, the stocks are nearing levels back to pre-recession levels.

The government giving us the stimulus package helped a lot.

Both parties will blow their budget regardless. There's always more things than they have money for.

They need to get their priorities in order and stick to them. Look at the federal health system. Both parties say they will improve it, but they never do.

Unless pensioners have a bulk amount of super, they struggle to live.

We need better funding for schools, but that gets side tracked too.

Both parties will not fulfill their election promises. It's a vicious cycle.

Liberal party cant do any of that stuff ( it is important ) because australias debt is out of control. Liberal have to tighten the economy up to get aus out of the shit hole its in thanks to the labour government.

Labour knew they were in the shit and hence why the mining tax came about.

And the reason we didnt get fucked in the recession has absoulutely nothing to do with the 800 dollar bonus but once again the mining sector in Aus saved our asses. China didnt have a recession and were still buying up Aus resources. And it is hard to see how china could go into recession with the amount of stuff that is consumed over there and the amount of population you have.

Technically the Aus dollar should be greater then the US Dollar however china owns the most amount of American Dollars in the world. While they hold onto it will be the dominant currency until there economy is fucked in which case you will find they will sell it and more then likely buy up the Euro and that will become the new stronger currency.

[Jazza]

;692609']Didn't vote, don't care.

My life hasn't changed regardless of who was in power in the past, don't see that changing.

+1

[mitchy]

i voted for the colonel.

[locote]

3% swing atm for liberal.

[INSINR8R]

Labor reeling the Libs back in 49.3% - 50.7%

[Fukushima]

The ABC's election computer is showing Labor on 75 seats, Antony Green says, which would point to a dead heat. Much could still change though. Antony says we can't turn on his computer's prediction algorithm yet.


Question: How the fuck does a 20 year old look like winning a seat?

[Autopilot]

At this time Labor-57 seats Coalition-27 seats. Doesn't bode well for the Libs.

[Brockas]

Labor reeling the Libs back in 49.3% - 50.7%

Labor actually in a pretty commanding position once you count the Greens preferences.

Libs have only won back about 10 seats on the east coast, which isn't enough.


Victoria and NSW have stayed Labor / Greens, probably because they realise a mining tax = more money out of WA for them.


I can't believe anybody in WA voted Labor. So many people don't think it will make a difference, but mining tax = less money in WA = less jobs in WA = less disposable income in WA.

Less disposable income in WA results in less of EVERYTHING. Everyones jobs will be affected, not just those of you in the mining sector.


Ugh.

[Brett_J]

Labor actually in a pretty commanding position once you count the Greens preferences.

Libs have only won back about 10 seats on the east coast, which isn't enough.


Victoria and NSW have stayed Labor / Greens, probably because they realise a mining tax = more money out of WA for them.


I can't believe anybody in WA voted Labor. So many people don't think it will make a difference, but mining tax = less money in WA = less jobs in WA = less disposable income in WA.

Less disposable income in WA results in less of EVERYTHING. Everyones jobs will be affected, not just those of you in the mining sector.


Ugh.


We will always be a rich state regardless of the taxes, pure scare tactics in this case. The resource sector in WA is huge and is only getting bigger.

Andrew Forrest is just a greedy pingpingpingping.

But one thing that is especially sucky for the mining sector if Gillard gets in is she is a staunch Union supporter, the last thing mining needs is fucking unions.

And fuck the greens, over east they want to ban guns,fishing and four wheel driving, how soon till that shits in WA?

Fuck Liberal and their tight fisted ways, but its the government we need at this time.They got my vote this time.

[Brockas]

And fuck the greens, over east they want to ban guns,fishing and four wheel driving, how soon till that shits in WA?

Fuck Liberal and their tight fisted ways, but its the government we need at this time.They got my vote this time.

Bingo.

People vote greens because they want to save the gay whales or some shit, and forget that the greens don't want coal power, nor nuclear power. They want ONLY solar/wind/hydro power... which currently can't meet our energy demands. Their solution to this? Change the way you live to reduce power consumption.

Dark ages here we come.

[jaybee]

Labor actually in a pretty commanding position once you count the Greens preferences.

Libs have only won back about 10 seats on the east coast, which isn't enough.


Victoria and NSW have stayed Labor / Greens, probably because they realise a mining tax = more money out of WA for them.


I can't believe anybody in WA voted Labor. So many people don't think it will make a difference, but mining tax = less money in WA = less jobs in WA = less disposable income in WA.

Less disposable income in WA results in less of EVERYTHING. Everyones jobs will be affected, not just those of you in the mining sector.


Ugh.

For that reason it will make it quite interesting to see who wins since labor is currently in front, but you would imagine lib will come out on top in WA.

[Jiblet]

why don't they promise things they can actually achieve?

hoping for Libs, bracing for Labor.

[Torquen]

I voted Greens in the senate and Libs in the lower house. IMO you just need a ballence of ideas/policys, which includes all parties. Don't really like either Labor or Libs atm, choosing the lesser of two evils.
Just hope we don't get a hung parliament (no budgie smuggler pun needed).

[SimonR32]

At this time Labor-57 seats Coalition-27 seats. Doesn't bode well for the Libs.

You're a idiot...

[fourseven]

WA votes just started being counted. Liberal stronghold.

Time for Gillard to fuck right off!

[jaybee]

anyone prepared to predict who will win? if your wrong, nudie runs.

[Brett_J]

anyone prepared to predict who will win? if your wrong, nudie runs.

Being a predominantly male orientated forum, I'm just guessing after reading your comment you are interested in man love as opposed to the touch of a sexy woman?

[Brockas]

You're a idiot...

Yeh that did make me giggle.

[jaybee]

Being a predominantly male orientated forum, I'm just guessing after reading your comment you are interested in man love as opposed to the touch of a sexy woman?

excluding mitchy, your guess would be correct. so are you willing to predict?

i must say, i do like your avatar...

[Brett_J]

You're a idiot...

I forget correct grammar but isn't it an*?

[KyeBidz]

How many votes does a candidate get if you put a batman symbol in the box??

[SimonR32]

I forget correct grammar but isn't it an*?

Yes :-) haha

[INSINR8R]

How many votes does a candidate get if you put a batman symbol in the box??

11ty billion

[Torquen]

Haha batman symbol FTW!

[Tocchi]

come on libs !!!!

[Stealthed]

+1 Libs!

[TJ]

minority government is looking an option - fucking "great"

[Risk10k]

Labor actually in a pretty commanding position once you count the Greens preferences.

Libs have only won back about 10 seats on the east coast, which isn't enough.


Victoria and NSW have stayed Labor / Greens, probably because they realise a mining tax = more money out of WA for them.


I can't believe anybody in WA voted Labor. So many people don't think it will make a difference, but mining tax = less money in WA = less jobs in WA = less disposable income in WA.

Less disposable income in WA results in less of EVERYTHING. Everyones jobs will be affected, not just those of you in the mining sector.


Ugh.

I talked to a couple of clued in Union guys about this throughout the week, with Workchoices + Contracts they can be let go for striking/leaving sites for safety reasons/etc. Stupid reasons for me, I turn up to work and do my fucking job, this is not the go for unionists.

[Fukushima]

Fielding is gorn.

Country is a bit fucked now. I cant see anything big or important happening for the next 3 years.

Btw if there is no mining tax barnett will raise the iron ore royalties. Forrest and bhp etc will pay more tax no matter what.

[SimonR32]

Coalition is playing catch up big time :-)

[TJ]

Greens will end up with the balance of power... dear god.

[fourseven]

Hung parliament.

Abbott will end up PM.

Will probably take 5 days before we know anything for sure.

[Lonewolf]

I dont mind a hung parliament, I dislike anyone having a majority parliament really.
Least a single party cant make a stupid decision without some accountability.
Given I dont support either of the major parties (or any party in fact), dont give a shit :)

[peter_piper]

rodimus prime > galvatron


Fixed.




I didnt vote, I refuse to. Now I can sit back and complain about the pricks all you guys voted into office :)

[Fukushima]

Rob oakshott for pm

[Chris89]

Fixed.




I didnt vote, I refuse to. Now I can sit back and complain about the pricks all you guys voted into office :)

For that very reason you don't get to comment because you did not participate. Its a fundamental part of being a member of a democratic nation. If you are not interested in participating in the aspects that make this nation what it is, you are not entitled to critique the decisions made by others.

[YOUR MATE]

I'm just giggling whenever I see SEX on one of the graph's on ABC. Giggidy.

[Butcher]

Im surprised no one has put their hand for a vote for the fishing and shooting party.

[Fozzy]

Shooters and fishers party got my vote in the senate!

[shifted]

To be honest, increased royalties on the mining sector should be necessary. Rudd's attempt at a forced tax was stupid, Gillard only did damage control. Funny though, WA & Qld were mentioned to be taxed, but what about the Iron Ore mine in NSW???

Due to our debt, I think a solid two terms in parliament for Liberals will not only wipe the debt, but finally allow them to do their job again.

Time for a republic (long overdue). Either way though, a solid balance of good policies would not go askew.

I think Greens are spot on with saying they want to abolish tertiary study fees (less the international sector) or at least subsidise them. I also don't see why cars are not mandatorily checked for emission regulations like in Europe (get rid of the driving death traps on the roads for starters). It is amazing, for such a rich country, our pensioners are treated like dirt, and our schooling is FUCKING EXPENSIVE. Go to a poor country like Poland, and you go to Uni for free. You gotta work hard, but it is free.

The subsidies for getting off of the grid are fucking pathetic (ie. Solar Panels etc.) and need to be looked at, more funding into the electric power aspect of vehicles should be provided too/rebates etc... More funding into driver education and training (along with an overhaul of the education system, whereby eradicating RE classes from Yr 11 & 12 - where religion is a PERSONAL CHOICE in the first place and should not be a forced study - allowing for the inclusion of driver education like in Germany).

Government should have kept Telstra... the NBN would not be an issue today if they did - but oh well.

There should also be a tax/royalty system set-up for Insurance companies and Banks (whom post up record profits each fiscal year) with clauses that protect the Australian consumer from added on costs. This would mean monitoring what the banks bring out, but can easily be handled (and hey, may actually help in ditching the dinosaurs in parliament, along with the stupid and useless departments that are not necessary). And where they are doing the dodgey, the government should step in and block.

There are changes that are needed, but don't expect anything special in the next 2-3 years while the debt is being wiped. And I long to see the next campaign where Labour will sit there and say "Libs promised all this, but haven't delivered anything" when really they should be saying "Libs are still fixing our fuck-ups, just hold it out another term".

Had a guy up here at Cape Lambert tell me he is voting Labour. I couldn't believe it.

And anyone saying, "I am voting Labour only cos of the NBN!" Please look at the bigger picture...

I got a pamphlet from the Labour party in my mail a couple weeks ago, all whinging - "Abbott doesn't think climate change is real" seriously, I don't care what Abbott thinks about climate change, cos fuck all will be done on it anyway. Get off of your own lazy arses, and do something about it yourself. Go plant a tree, get off of the grid etc. What the fuck is the government gonna do? Carbon tax? Fuck some people are delusional.

[Alt_F4]

To be honest, increased royalties on the mining sector should be necessary. Rudd's attempt at a forced tax was stupid, Gillard only did damage control. Funny though, WA & Qld were mentioned to be taxed, but what about the Iron Ore mine in NSW???

Due to our debt, I think a solid two terms in parliament for Liberals will not only wipe the debt, but finally allow them to do their job again.

Time for a republic (long overdue). Either way though, a solid balance of good policies would not go askew.

I think Greens are spot on with saying they want to abolish tertiary study fees (less the international sector) or at least subsidise them. I also don't see why cars are not mandatorily checked for emission regulations like in Europe (get rid of the driving death traps on the roads for starters). It is amazing, for such a rich country, our pensioners are treated like dirt, and our schooling is FUCKING EXPENSIVE. Go to a poor country like Poland, and you go to Uni for free. You gotta work hard, but it is free.

The subsidies for getting off of the grid are fucking pathetic (ie. Solar Panels etc.) and need to be looked at, more funding into the electric power aspect of vehicles should be provided too/rebates etc... More funding into driver education and training (along with an overhaul of the education system, whereby eradicating RE classes from Yr 11 & 12 - where religion is a PERSONAL CHOICE in the first place and should not be a forced study - allowing for the inclusion of driver education like in Germany).

Government should have kept Telstra... the NBN would not be an issue today if they did - but oh well.

There should also be a tax/royalty system set-up for Insurance companies and Banks (whom post up record profits each fiscal year) with clauses that protect the Australian consumer from added on costs. This would mean monitoring what the banks bring out, but can easily be handled (and hey, may actually help in ditching the dinosaurs in parliament, along with the stupid and useless departments that are not necessary). And where they are doing the dodgey, the government should step in and block.

There are changes that are needed, but don't expect anything special in the next 2-3 years while the debt is being wiped. And I long to see the next campaign where Labour will sit there and say "Libs promised all this, but haven't delivered anything" when really they should be saying "Libs are still fixing our fuck-ups, just hold it out another term".

Had a guy up here at Cape Lambert tell me he is voting Labour. I couldn't believe it.

And anyone saying, "I am voting Labour only cos of the NBN!" Please look at the bigger picture...

I got a pamphlet from the Labour party in my mail a couple weeks ago, all whinging - "Abbott doesn't think climate change is real" seriously, I don't care what Abbott thinks about climate change, cos fuck all will be done on it anyway. Get off of your own lazy arses, and do something about it yourself. Go plant a tree, get off of the grid etc. What the fuck is the government gonna do? Carbon tax? Fuck some people are delusional.
tl;dr

Maybe one day you can vote and then you can cry about other people's motivations

[shifted]

tl;dr

Maybe one day you can vote and then you can cry about other people's motivations

Congratulations, want a medal?

I did vote.

[Alt_F4]

Congratulations, want a medal?

I did vote.
ORLY?

http://www.hedweb.com/animimag/donkey.jpg

[shifted]

Yes mate. I went into a voting poll area last week, put 1 and 1 on both sheets of paper, for Liberals.

Just because I posted a donkey, doesn't mean I donkey voted. I was referring to somebody elses post.

So;

YA RLY!

http://files.myopera.com/drlaunch/albums/37656/ya-rly001.jpg

[JME]

Why the right didn't prop up Hockey is beyond me, he would've made a much more formidable face for the coalition.

C'mon wingnut!

[Jiblet]

i like your thinking shifted....

[schnoods]

To be honest, increased royalties on the mining sector should be necessary. Rudd's attempt at a forced tax was stupid, Gillard only did damage control. Funny though, WA & Qld were mentioned to be taxed, but what about the Iron Ore mine in NSW???

Due to our debt, I think a solid two terms in parliament for Liberals will not only wipe the debt, but finally allow them to do their job again.

Time for a republic (long overdue). Either way though, a solid balance of good policies would not go askew.

I think Greens are spot on with saying they want to abolish tertiary study fees (less the international sector) or at least subsidise them. I also don't see why cars are not mandatorily checked for emission regulations like in Europe (get rid of the driving death traps on the roads for starters). It is amazing, for such a rich country, our pensioners are treated like dirt, and our schooling is FUCKING EXPENSIVE. Go to a poor country like Poland, and you go to Uni for free. You gotta work hard, but it is free.

The subsidies for getting off of the grid are fucking pathetic (ie. Solar Panels etc.) and need to be looked at, more funding into the electric power aspect of vehicles should be provided too/rebates etc... More funding into driver education and training (along with an overhaul of the education system, whereby eradicating RE classes from Yr 11 & 12 - where religion is a PERSONAL CHOICE in the first place and should not be a forced study - allowing for the inclusion of driver education like in Germany).

Government should have kept Telstra... the NBN would not be an issue today if they did - but oh well.

There should also be a tax/royalty system set-up for Insurance companies and Banks (whom post up record profits each fiscal year) with clauses that protect the Australian consumer from added on costs. This would mean monitoring what the banks bring out, but can easily be handled (and hey, may actually help in ditching the dinosaurs in parliament, along with the stupid and useless departments that are not necessary). And where they are doing the dodgey, the government should step in and block.

There are changes that are needed, but don't expect anything special in the next 2-3 years while the debt is being wiped. And I long to see the next campaign where Labour will sit there and say "Libs promised all this, but haven't delivered anything" when really they should be saying "Libs are still fixing our fuck-ups, just hold it out another term".

Had a guy up here at Cape Lambert tell me he is voting Labour. I couldn't believe it.

And anyone saying, "I am voting Labour only cos of the NBN!" Please look at the bigger picture...

I got a pamphlet from the Labour party in my mail a couple weeks ago, all whinging - "Abbott doesn't think climate change is real" seriously, I don't care what Abbott thinks about climate change, cos fuck all will be done on it anyway. Get off of your own lazy arses, and do something about it yourself. Go plant a tree, get off of the grid etc. What the fuck is the government gonna do? Carbon tax? Fuck some people are delusional.

Only reason why nothing was mentioned in NSW mining side of things is the fact its pretty much a piss in the ocean.

All honesty, i do think the tax/excise would need to have a slight increase from perhaps 10 years ago but nowhere near 40 percent. They had their boom period and nothing was talked about then, now we are on the plateau in terms on the economy, they went for the grab. Easy to target and slander the "rapists" of the earth for their pockets. Imagine going to a pub and the bartender sees at least a grand in notes in your wallet and then tries to charge 30 bucks for a stubby.


There should also be a tax/royalty system set-up for Insurance companies and Banks

Spot on, though they would pass on the effects alot more directly which would make the government look bad, thats probably why they avoided it.

[DCIEVE]

Why the right didn't prop up Hockey is beyond me, he would've made a much more formidable face for the coalition.

C'mon wingnut!

Hockey will be pm one day I predict.

[ReaperSS]

Im surprised no one has put their hand for a vote for the fishing and shooting party.got my vote

[Ryan1080]

The idea of a mining super profits tax is ridiculous. Tax everyone equally. Charge more royalties if you believe they are not high enough, but don't tax extra profits.

Lots of people don't realise that mining is a very risky business. You invest TONS of money into something to see if anything will come out of it, with not much of a guarantee of profit. The iron ore company I work for now, is a 7 billion dollar project, will be the biggest mine in Australia, and in the top 10 in the world. That's $7 billion they are spending on developing it. As yet we do not know whether the mine will proceed. They're spending all that cash, they do not know if they will recover it. With such a high risk investment, you expect to have massive profits at the end to compensate the level of risk. Otherwise why would you bother? It's the simple basics of finance and economics Labor doesn't have a grasp of, which is why they always fuck up the country's finances, each and every single time they are in power.

Now it looks like Greens will have a bit more to say too, with a hung parliament they will be able to negotiate something, and make their bullshit policies into reality. We'll all be fucked:
- mining profits tax increased to 50%
- increase in corporate income tax rates for big business to 34% (Let's go back to late 90s tax rates eh?)
- removal of small business capital gains concessions (it's a big deal to any retirees selling their small business)
- removal of 30% private health rebate (all of us will be affected by that, you will pay more!)

Not to mention putting a carbon price on everything! And their other crack pipe ideas about banning coal power and so on.

I've come across a lot of people who voted for greens. When I asked them why, they said coz they don't like the major parties. When I asked them to name specific policies that attracted them to vote for them, they didn't know. God helps us all!! Voting should not be compulsory...

[dmwill]

Just looking on the AEC site, as I write this there has been over half a million informal votes.

No offence to anyone here to didn't give a shit and did a donkey vote or drew a penis on their ballot paper, but that figure suggests that are over half a million moronic people in this country.

[Fujiwara13]

I wish the pirate party of Australia managed to register before the election. They are 1000x better than the sex party and all of there policies are pretty good, they researched unlike labour and libs.

The pirates in Sweden were doing amazingly last I heard!

If there were such a party here it'd definitely defer me from drawing penises everywhere.

[TJ]

Everyone is a political expert. Expect to see half of antilag running at the next election.

[MMM]

Just looking on the AEC site, as I write this there has been over half a million informal votes.

No offence to anyone here to didn't give a shit and did a donkey vote or drew a penis on their ballot paper, but that figure suggests that are over half a million moronic people in this country.

I would rather people donkey vote than vote for a party they know nothing about.

[Steppo_GT]

I also don't see why cars are not mandatorily checked for emission regulations like in Europe (get rid of the driving death traps on the roads for starters).

Try getting your falcon over pits with the new motor you plan on putting in. Do you really want this..?

Stock cars failing the test is the reason the IM240 got scrapped. To me let this shit belong over east and never come here and tell the cops to start defecting shitboxes instead of modified cars!

[shifted]

Try getting your falcon over pits with the new motor you plan on putting in. Do you really want this..?

Stock cars failing the test is the reason the IM240 got scrapped. To me let this shit belong over east and never come here and tell the cops to start defecting shitboxes instead of modified cars!

If the funding was there for electrical conversions, like rebates to those pursuing it etc. It would be the first thing I consider before I even look at the I6T.

I didn't mean the mandatory testing in such a way as to affect the "safe" cars out there, but merely into getting rid of the thousands of shitboxes/death traps/useless shit that drives around. My wording may have not been the best there. :)

[shifted]

Spot on, though they would pass on the effects alot more directly which would make the government look bad, thats probably why they avoided it.

Not really. Clauses can be put into effect. How effectively they are run on the other hand - is up to those people we "trust" in power.

On another note - easy option here is to not charge anything whilst the interest rate stays at the reserve bank level, however, when a bank deviates from that interest rate to their own for their own interests - is where the tax/royalty will need to be paid.

The ability to run this country effectively is there, unfortunately you have mentally challenged individuals in power who think playing crosswords and tic-tac-toe and sudoku for 7.5 hours out of an 8 hour day will get the job done. The wonderful thing about labour, is that regardless of who they have in power, it will always be considered the redundant/failure party group.

Liberals winning this election will not only hurt labour further (due to the Rudd epic motion picture, along with the tyrannical raid on Rudd by Gillard). But Gillard will not only have the record for being the first female PM, she will also go down in history as the first female PM failure.

Bring on the republic of WA. Or Australia if that is the only option we are given.

[Fukushima]

Yes mate. I went into a voting poll area last week, put 1 and 1 on both sheets of paper, for Liberals.


Just checking that you know you need to number the green one from 1 to 7? (or whatever it was)

http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/files/hor_ballot_paper.gif

[Ryan1080]

I would rather people donkey vote than vote for a party they know nothing about.

Donkey vote is voting for parties you know nothing about!

[shifted]

Just checking that you know you need to number the green one from 1 to 7? (or whatever it was)

http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/files/hor_ballot_paper.gif

Only had a choice of 6 where I was. Numbered 1 through to 6. Liberals first. Labour, last.

http://albanyhighcougar.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/happy-feet.jpg

[stefan]

whats the deal with this? has anyone been elected yet?

[Fukushima]

heh, just checking because the way you worded that...

since you feel so strongly shifted why not run for a seat? that 20 year old wyatt roy kid is now in parliment

you wont be able to post gay ice age pictures in response to everything though

[schnoods]

Quote from online update.


Australian election result in stalemate after tightest vote in 50 years
09:35 AM Aug 22, 2010CANBERRA, Australia (AP) - It could take more than a week for Australia to form a new federal government after a cliffhanger election.

Labor Party Prime Minister Julia Gillard says she will remain caretaker leader during the "anxious days ahead" as vote-counting continues.

Norman Abjorensen, an Australian National University political scientist, said the most likely outcome is a minority government led by the Liberals and supported by independents.

With 75 percent of the votes counted Sunday, Labor national secretary Karl Bitar conceded that neither main party would win more than 75 seats.

The Australian Electoral Commission said Sunday that center-left Labor and the conservative Liberal Party-led coalition each have 71 seats, meaning neither can achieve the necessary 76 seats for a majority.

- AP

[INSINR8R]

whats the deal with this? has anyone been elected yet?

Hung Parliament. There are 5 independents that both parties are trying to convince to side with them.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/election2010/7949068/five-men-may-control-countrys-destiny

[Torquen]

Just checking that you know you need to number the green one from 1 to 7? (or whatever it was)

http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/files/hor_ballot_paper.gif

Not entirely true. It still classes as a formal vote if you just put a 1 next to a single candidate. All it means is that your vote wont get passed along on preference, ie if the person you voted for gets rolled early then your vote is now informal and not counted. However if I had just placed a 1 next to the Lib candidate in my electorate (blue ribbon Lib seat) then my vote would still be counted as it would not go to a preference anyway.
/C educational SB.

[Fukushima]

ahh wicked

as I typed that post I kind of wondered if that might be the case, it makes sense

[fourseven]

Bob Katter is a fucking looper. Can't believe he will have the opportunity to influence anything in these negotiations. A Katter-Liberal-Oakenshott-Windsor-National Coalition is the KLOWN Party. Just sayin.

[BOSS 290]

Fuck me, Joolia Gillard must be retarded. She honestly thinks she had the right to form a minority government with the independants. BITCH, the country want's you the fuck out! Doesn't she understand the people have spoken.

That aside, it might be smarter for the coalition to step back and let the current government attempt to team up with the independants, last 12-18months, agree on nothing, then have an election again and win with a majority. Labor have the track record of fucking the economy, driving up interest rates, unemployment and debt and deficits. Another 12-18 months of them will see just how back they can screw the country up.

[Gladio]

+1 Libs


Everyone is a political expert. Expect to see half of antilag running at the next election.

Haha

[adrenalin]

Its funny as hell.

This labour government is the worst of all time. She has lost her majority seats and if it was based purely on the sheet where you only mark a 1 for the party the fucking liberals have won.

But due to fucking independents deciding who they want to side with will determine the result for labour.

As said

JULIA GILLARD YOU USELESS pingpingpingping GET THE FUCK OUT !

[gazza750]

Its funny as hell.

This labour government is the worst of all time. She has lost her majority seats and if it was based purely on the sheet where you only mark a 1 for the party the fucking liberals have won.

But due to fucking independents deciding who they want to side with will determine the result for labour.

As said

JULIA GILLARD YOU USELESS pingpingpingping GET THE FUCK OUT !



The Libs have NEVER won an election on their own and they won't win this one on primary vote
The only time Liberal have won it has been a coalition because they get the National party vote .

[adrenalin]

Ermm no

Pretty sure the howard government have held it down for 3 terms running

Labour have never achieved that and never will.

[1JZNOSHIT]

biggest voting swing against the sitting government after 1 term since the last world war i think?!

says enough, time is up for Labor!

[hostage_85]

biggest voting swing against the sitting government after 1 term since the last world war i think?!

says enough, time is up for Labor!

Game, Set & Match!!!

[Ryan1080]

Primary vote never happens to be +50%. Most elections are won through preference deals. A party might only get 35% primary vote, but they squeeze into power because a John Smith candidate who didn't get enough votes to win, transfers his votes across to the next candidate, and so on.

[morgazmatron]

biggest voting swing against the sitting government after 1 term since the last world war i think?!

says enough, time is up for Labor!

lol that doesn't say anything...

Liberals still couldn't win it, so the swing has nothing to do with it.

[Fujiwara13]

Donkey vote is voting for parties you know nothing about!

I was under the impression donkey votes where were you put a '1' in every single box in a kinda "Fuck 'em" attitude.

[gazza750]

I was under the impression donkey votes where were you put a '1' in every single box in a kinda "Fuck 'em" attitude.

no
Donkey vote is 1 to whatever straight down the list
ie:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

[gazza750]

Ermm no

Pretty sure the howard government have held it down for 3 terms running

Labour have never achieved that and never will.
UUURM NO!!!
Howard government was a COALITION with the Nat's
Deputy prime minister was leader of the National Party
Also it is LABOR not labour

[BOSS 290]

It's not out of the realm of reality that we may have to head to the ballot box again.

[Brockas]

UUURM NO!!!
Howard government was a COALITION with the Nat's
Deputy prime minister was leader of the National Party
Also it is LABOR not labour

I must have missed your point somewhere, it's a coalition yes, and?

[winstor]

His point is the Liberal Party alone would never be able to govern in its own right if it was not for the National Party.

[Ryan1080]

His point is the Liberal Party alone would never be able to govern in its own right if it was not for the National Party.

They have both been in a coalition for a number of decades. Which means they share the government. If you look at a voting card, you will see that it either has national party candidate, or a liberal party candidate, but not both.

His point is flawed.

[DanWA]

unfortunately liberals will end up calling the shots, we're more fucked now

[MMM]

unfortunately liberals will end up calling the shots, we're more fucked now

care to explain why?

[fourseven]

lol that doesn't say anything...

Liberals still couldn't win it, so the swing has nothing to do with it.

Actually it speaks volumes. It's very unusual in this country for a first term government not to get a second term. Forget the unknown at this point, the fact that there is so much uncertainty shows that Labor have fucked up majorly. They should've easily got the seats they needed for a second term.

[DanWA]

care to explain why?

because now no spending and more fucking over

e.g halt to broadband network and more taxes we dont usually notice

[fourseven]

LOL! Firstly, the NBN isn't all roses. Way too many unanswered questions.

Before you get on the taxes bandwagon perhaps you should read this: http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2010/08/17/The-Coalitions-economic-action-plan.aspx

There are usually higher taxes with Labor.

[Ryan1080]

more taxes we dont usually notice

Name them.

[shifted]

Seriously, the NBN is not such a big deal - it will be looked after when the time comes. People focus on minor shit too easily. You have people voting for Labour because of the NBN and not realising the big picture, then you have people voting for Greens because they don't want Liberal or Labour in parliament (not realising that Labour will be the back bench anyway) and not realising the policies that will greatly affect the economy... Instead of RE they should be teaching basics like voting and politics and driver education, instead of a fable. Less uneducated-ness.

PS. Anyone else reckon the punishments for crimes is ridiculously pathetic? I reckon capital punishment along with severe consequences for shit like driving drunk and killing someone should come into play. Mass murderer/child rapist/kidnapper should be needle straight off - fuck my taxes going to keep the prick alive.

Also - killing someone driving drunk - get crushed in your car for doing it. Harsh penalty - but one person gets done like this - no one does it again...

[Ryan1080]

because now no spending and more fucking over

e.g halt to broadband network and more taxes we dont usually notice

Liberals in their 12 years of power have done a lot of good changes. Reduced the tax rates for individuals and companies. Replaced the 22.5% sales tax with a better 10% gst, and so on.

What has labor done in their power? Increase taxes, and create new taxes. Some of the classic ones are:

-Capital Gains Tax
-Fringe Benefits Tax
-Luxury Car Tax
-etc...

And now they also want the mining tax.

Get a clue man!

[Brockas]

unfortunately liberals will end up calling the shots, we're more fucked now

Yes because we were so fucked with the liberals before?

LOL

[Ryan1080]

Yes because we were so fucked with the liberals before?

LOL

Indeed, it was so bad under liberals, people got so sick of them within the first term, they never made it to the second term, and they booted out their PM coz it was so shit...

...er wait, that's labor! :lol:

There's a reason why they were in power for 12 years, with proper majority, they were good!

[Autopilot]

http://www.peo.gov.au/images/library/0107.gif

pingpingpingpings is spelled l.a.b.o.r.

[Brett_J]

Indeed, it was so bad under liberals, people got so sick of them within the first term, they never made it to the second term, and they booted out their PM coz it was so shit...

...er wait, that's labor! :lol:

There's a reason why they were in power for 12 years, with proper majority, they were good!

To be fair, look who went up against them though, the only one that stood a chance was Latham until he cried on national TV, he had the election on a silver platter. Howard didnt even have to try, even with the people overboard dabacle. before that there was the likes of Beasley.

But as I said, we need a liberal government at the moment.

[Fukushima]

Seriously, the NBN is not such a big deal - it will be looked after when the time comes.

the history of the broadband issue is that it was not looked after by itself

It was known over 10 years ago that the copper phone lines were not going to be adequate. Telstra were reluctant to upgrade from copper fibre without getting incentives from the government to do so, and so a great deal of time was wasted in the later howard years as telstra refused to upgrade its network

i'm not going to simplify it any further but we are well behind with telecommunications in this country and it is a big deal. The independants have indicated today that it may even attract them to form government with labor instead of liberal.

[MMM]

because now no spending

No spending? We have no more money to spend we are in debt!

History shows deficits in Australia ALWAYS promote rampant inflation and higher interest rates.

[shifted]

the history of the broadband issue is that it was not looked after by itself

It was known over 10 years ago that the copper phone lines were not going to be adequate. Telstra were reluctant to upgrade from copper fibre without getting incentives from the government to do so, and so a great deal of time was wasted in the later howard years as telstra refused to upgrade its network

i'm not going to simplify it any further but we are well behind with telecommunications in this country and it is a big deal. The independants have indicated today that it may even attract them to form government with labor instead of liberal.

This issue wouldn't be so big if Telstra was kept government owned. What I was trying to say - is fuck the NBN when we are so far in debt.

If it was not for the debt - no worries. But unfortunately - the Labor party are hoping on people jumping on bandwagons to forget the downfalls - at which point NOTHING will be done anyway.

Just like any government scheme - poor planning, over-budgetised and constantly routed for funding.

The Liberals from my understanding are going to fix up the black-spots, and leave the rest to private sectors with some government backing, their main concern is the debt.

NBN is a little issue compared to what we need done in this country to make it sustainable in the future. I don't want 18% ++ interest rates. I don't want to pay higher tax to pointless causes because the government is as useless as crickets doing maths. I will pay higher taxes to fund areas like hospitals though. But with stuff like stimulus package, insulation schemes and the general fuck-up the Labor party is anyway, my taxes go to something so stupid as providing cigarettes to asylum seekers.

[shifted]

A quick question - I heard on the radio a couple days ago that the Labor party reckoned by 2012 that they would not only have the debt paid off, but have a 6.5billion dollar surplus (while maintaining economic growth etc.)

He mentioned that the Liberals have made their statement and reckoned by the same time, 1/3rd of the national debt would be paid off while maintaining economic growth. Which seems A LOT more feasible.

Is this true? Or was the dude on radio smocking rock??

Cos if Labor reckons they are doing that... I wonder what taxes will be like. Don't quote me on this, because it was what was mentioned on radio (while I am in Cape Lambert at the moment, on 106.5 or 104.9 or whatever it was). So am unsure if the dude was being serious, or just high like a mofo??

[adrenalin]

Ps to all the people pissed about the internet not being upgraded.

Clearly havnt read the document that came out with the cost of it all.

If it was implemented - 45 billion ( will be closer to 90 billion because the government will run it rather then the private sector )

If every person in Aus was to have it the cost of it a month is $345

It just wont happen any time soon trust me especailly with how fucked our economy is thanks to the labor party.

And LABOR is the worst for Taxes lol. People saying that Liberals favour the rich man are fucking spankers.

ps Hoon laws came about from labor as well.

more speed cameras also from the labor government.

[winstor]

They have both been in a coalition for a number of decades. Which means they share the government. If you look at a voting card, you will see that it either has national party candidate, or a liberal party candidate, but not both.

His point is flawed.

Not quite true.

WA DIVISION - FORREST
PETERSEN, Luke - The Greens
JARVIS, Jackie - Australian Labor Party
MARINO, Nola - Liberal
HERRIDGE, Lee - Christian Democratic Party
CUSTERS, Bev - Family First
HILL, Cale John - The Nationals

WA DIVISION - PEARCE
LEADBETTER, Bill Australian Labor Party
MOYLAN, Judi - Liberal
PEPPER, Chris - Citizens Electoral Council
MOIR, Darren Gregory - The Nationals
WARDEN, Toni - The Greens
ROSE, Ian - Family First
BROADSTOCK, Janet Elizabeth - Christian Democratic Party

Want more :p


Ps to all the people pissed about the internet not being upgraded.

Clearly havnt read the document that came out with the cost of it all.

If it was implemented - 45 billion ( will be closer to 90 billion because the government will run it rather then the private sector )

If every person in Aus was to have it the cost of it a month is $345

It just wont happen any time soon trust me especailly with how fucked our economy is thanks to the labor party.

And LABOR is the worst for Taxes lol. People saying that Liberals favour the rich man are fucking spankers.

ps Hoon laws came about from labor as well.

more speed cameras also from the labor government.

I think the Liberals are in power at the moment in WA, and haven't they just introduced the new speed cameras? It goes both ways.

Also if you think our economy is fucked, have you looked at the situation in the US or even Greece?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

We have one of the lowest % of dept to GDP in the world, at roughly 17%.

[Ryan1080]

Not quite true.

Want more :p

Some, but not all. Hasluck and Tangney only have Liberal.

Want more :p

[winstor]

I never said all, but you said none :P

But anyway, I think this is possibly good for Australian politics, might make the Major Two pull their heads out their arses and actually listen to what we want and implement good policies, instead of bitching and moaning at each other about how useless they are.

[INSINR8R]

Good to see 3/4 of antilag are political analysts.

Laurie Oakes would be so proud.

[duste]

Why the fuck would you go Liberal?

I seriously hope Labour stays in power. Abbott has no clue.


Love how elections bring out the best in people.

Fuck getting into a debate. It doesn't matter who takes power in the end, we're screwed.

I only want Labor to win so we keep the NBN and not have it changed half way through.

Abbott having no clue - "Don't believe everything I say"
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/dont-believe-everything-i-say-tony-abbott/story-e6frf7l6-1225868371537

Why the fuck would you say that if you were trying to become the next PM?

Or this - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/11/2979410.htm


/end


Really? So under a Labor government, they'll lie and we'll get ass fucked for the next 4 years and under a Liberal government, they'll lie and we'll get ass fucked for the next 4 years.

It's like when Labor gained power over the Howard government. Everyone thought that it was the change we needed. Now look how many people changed their tunes.

"Labor lied, labor didn't do this, they didn't do that"

It'll be the same under the next government, regardless of who is in power.


But our economy did survive, we managed to get through the recession fairly well compared to a lot of other countries. Our dollar is doing well against the British pound and the US Dollar, the stocks are nearing levels back to pre-recession levels.

The government giving us the stimulus package helped a lot.

Both parties will blow their budget regardless. There's always more things than they have money for.

They need to get their priorities in order and stick to them. Look at the federal health system. Both parties say they will improve it, but they never do.

Unless pensioners have a bulk amount of super, they struggle to live.

We need better funding for schools, but that gets side tracked too.

Both parties will not fulfill their election promises. It's a vicious cycle.


True, but ultimately his Workchoices was his undoing.

Workchoices came to light during their third term in office. How much of a stink did the working class kick up when they had to sign contracts that meant at anytime they could lose their jobs for no reason.

Howard brought in the GST. There was a huge uproar because the prices of a lot of things went up significantly, but he got through the election and nowadays we don't even think about the GST on items.

I'm finished. I've expressed my opinion.

Seems you're a bit of an expert yourself, and that's just from the first two pages.

[INSINR8R]

Fuck off duste.

Yes I am one as well. I'm so flattered you went back through the entire thread to quote my posts.

Still, fuck off.

[Ryan1080]

If you vote, and pay taxes, you got a right to an opinion about politics, like every other pingpingpingping haha.

[DanWA]

Good to see 3/4 of antilag are political analysts.

Laurie Oakes would be so proud.

you mean devoted liberals

[Fukushima]

cant just put people into one little box

I think everyone should have access to a good public healthcare system which is a labor policy

I dont think anyone should ever get ANYTHING from the government for free and that if the government wants to spend money it is going to have to have the balls to put taxes up which is a hard right liberal stance

and I dont give two hoots about gays getting married as long as they leave me out of it, and I dont think 5000 humanitarian refugees should get the blame for the way we all feel about the 300 000 immigrants who come to the country and cant even refill the paper towel or put soap in the water at my local servo

that would make me a stinking hippie green on social issues

so who the fuck do I vote for?

[Tocchi]

cant just put people into one little box

I think everyone should have access to a good public healthcare system which is a labor policy

I dont think anyone should ever get ANYTHING from the government for free and that if the government wants to spend money it is going to have to have the balls to put taxes up which is a hard right liberal stance

and I dont give two hoots about gays getting married as long as the chicks are hot, and I dont think 5000 humanitarian refugees should get the blame for the way we all feel about the 300 000 immigrants who come to the country and cant even refill the paper towel or put soap in the water at my local servo

that would make me a stinking hippie green on social issues

so who the fuck do I vote for?

fixed.



politics is just like religion. nobody will agree.
all comes down to your upbringing, current situation, and stance on everything (as it all plays factors).

[coFF33]

i havent read any of the thread

im assuming your all telling each other your awesome knowleage of pollitics...

you know it makes no fucking difference who you vote for, they're all the same and your vote doesnt make any difference

i voted for Gillard because i saw more of tony abbots annoying face when i was walking into the voting place in balcatta.

shit makes no difference.

fuck yall

[AndrewT]

i havent read any of the thread

im assuming your all telling each other your awesome knowleage of pollitics...

you know it makes no fucking difference who you vote for, they're all the same and your vote doesnt make any difference

i voted for Gillard because i saw more of tony abbots annoying face when i was walking into the voting place in balcatta.

shit makes no difference.

fuck yall

Attitudes like this are truly disturbing. Seriously. I think the right to vote should be dependent on a certain IQ threshold.

[mitchy]

i love people having a whinge about those who voted for batman, etc etc...
given that we have to vote, wouldn't it be BETTER that the people who have no idea/dont care/undecided, etc. place a null vote?

[fsbk]

Attitudes like this are truly disturbing. Seriously. I think the right to vote should be dependent on a certain IQ threshold.

i think that's a little unfair. i truly think the majority of voters have had it with politicians. every 3 years they vote for a party they think will "move them forward". the end of 3 years comes around and no real progress has been made, a la kevin rudd. the world is promised to voters during election periods but once the party is in power they frustrate and manipulate the voters.

if you look closely at the two major parties, they differ very little on major policies. education/health/broadband/border security. so rather than call someone stupid because they have lost all faith in politicians, maybe try and understand why he and probably the greater majority of the australian public feel like this

[Ryan1080]

the right to vote should be dependent on a certain IQ threshold.

YES!!

For someone to vote based on the way a politician looks, rather than based on what policies they put forward is retarded. They should abstain from voting altogether, and leave the voting up to people who actually have an educated opinion about who they are voting for.

[Fukushima]

I think the point I was getting around to is that maybe a hung parliment is a good thing for my many conflicted views

labors excessive spending should be at an end, the greens might get a word in on social issues, and the independants might insist on investment in ehealth and infrastructure like broadband

fuck a reform to 4 or 5 year terms would help more than anything

or it could be a massive let down and more than likely nothing will happen in the next 3 years

[adrenalin]

You dont need to be a political analyst to have an opinion.

Its called reading and there is always alot of articles in the newspaper with figures etc.

Its easy to see why labor has had a big swing.

In their term what did they accomplish
- they handed out 800 bucks to most people ( 80% of people didnt spend it how it was intended )
- They back pedled on most of there decisions ie ( climate change policies )
- The internet plan didnt happen because its not cost effective
- The unemployment rate rose
- Petrol prices never went back down like what was promised
- Water rates \ power rates have jumped the highest % it ever has

The 12 years liberal were in
- Unemployment was at an all time low
- Australia was in the green and was debt free
- The amount of illegal immigrants trying to come into Aus and that actually stayed here was lower then labor

Yes liberals also had to put the general cost of living up however the taxes they implemented got aus out of shit.


Liberal and labor are completely different. Labor has no intentions of cost cutting and will continue to push Australia into debt where as Liberals cant really do much other then focus on getting rid of the debt yet again caused by labor.

As said people who voted purely on the fact they dont like the look of someone. You people are fucking morons.

[coFF33]

Attitudes like this are truly disturbing. Seriously. I think the right to vote should be dependent on a certain IQ threshold.



Nice one dude.

coz im a total dumbass hey... been working hard in the IT industry for a long time. My IQ must be VERY low to be able to do what i do day in day out.


Im jus sayin. that your a number and your vote doesnt count. the government doesnt give a fuck about you or your family.

who cares who gets "voted" in, nothings gonna change round here in Perth...

[adrenalin]

Nice one dude.

coz im a total dumbass hey... been working hard in the IT industry for a long time. My IQ must be VERY low to be able to do what i do day in day out.


Im jus sayin. that your a number and your vote doesnt count. the government doesnt give a fuck about you or your family.

who cares who gets "voted" in, nothings gonna change round here in Perth...

Sigh not true . The government in power changes everything in WA.

Clearly your vote does count or the parliament wouldnt be hung.

[RELEASE]

Attitudes like this are truly disturbing. Seriously. I think the right to vote should be dependent on a certain IQ threshold.seriously.....your comment is retarded!

how on earth is that possibly feasible? just because someone has a certain IQ doesnt mean they have common sense or intelligence on the subject matter.

If you wanna use IQ to have a right to vote then also use it for attaining a drivers license, for reporting news/events, etc. But even then intelligence is no substitute for common sense.

[DanWA]

its a liberal comment, seams thead is full of liberals trying to fuck the lower and middle class even more

[ReaperSS]

They are all a bunch of cvnts.
If i could vote the 1% 'ers in to run the country i would.

[Mad_Aussie]

Fuck me, Joolia Gillard must be retarded. She honestly thinks she had the right to form a minority government with the independants. BITCH, the country want's you the fuck out! Doesn't she understand the people have spoken.

That aside, it might be smarter for the coalition to step back and let the current government attempt to team up with the independants, last 12-18months, agree on nothing, then have an election again and win with a majority. Labor have the track record of fucking the economy, driving up interest rates, unemployment and debt and deficits. Another 12-18 months of them will see just how back they can screw the country up.

Well done for being a moron, its a hung parliament, i.e. half the country is happy with her, half the country isn't.

TJ so far is the only one who's said something with half a brain here - everyone seems to be an expert in a field that they don't have any qualifications other than a masters in shitslinging 101.

Labour (IMO) has better policies, but the Libs (IMO) have better minds behind the wings. Its a shame that the whole nation is filled with such a black and white left/right notion. If the two parties could drop the power-play shit and actually do some democracy, we might get somewhere. But no, its just a case of the Libs crying about wanting to be better than Labour, and Labour crying about being better than the Libs.

This whole election has been a total farce, and its become a farce because the whole nation is too caught up in the blame game.


And i've said it before and i'll say it again. The NBN is a necessity. If you don't understand that, then go hand back your computer now because you don't deserve to be part of the internet.

[adrenalin]

Lol Mad Aussie Labor has lost majority of its seats to liberals. its the biggest swing ever recorded since around the world war 2 era.

And technically going by the form you mark a 1 on for a party. Liberal won by a mile.

oh and the people who think liberal screws the lower and middle class. That is the worst comment ever.

Why should people who have gone through years of uni or have learnt a trade and have made something of themselves be taxed more so dumb pingpingpingpings can sit at home on the dole smoking weed and playing PS3 all day.

[MISS 13B]

Nice one dude.

coz im a total dumbass hey... been working hard in the IT industry for a long time. My IQ must be VERY low to be able to do what i do day in day out.


Im jus sayin. that your a number and your vote doesnt count. the government doesnt give a fuck about you or your family.

who cares who gets "voted" in, nothings gonna change round here in Perth...

I totally agree with your sentiment.
They're all fucked. No matter who gets voted in, at least one demographic of people are going to get rorted.

[Mad_Aussie]

Lol Mad Aussie Labor has lost majority of its seats to liberals. its the biggest swing ever recorded since around the world war 2 era.



There has been a huge swing, yes, and lost the majority, yes, but they now have about the same number of seats. Therefore pretty much half of the nation isn't against them.

The only thing I'm happy about in this election is that the Greens won Melbourne.
Oh and watching a whole lot of MP's having a cry. I love seeing MP's cry.

[adrenalin]

Clear indication that the people who were happy with labor are now no longer happy and as a result its more then likely looking like a liberal win.

Any votes the greens got was a vote for labor as well.

[Ryan1080]

its a liberal comment, seams thead is full of liberals trying to fuck the lower and middle class even more

Hi, I am a high class billionaire who voted Liberal.

Screw the rest of you peons, I am gonna go snack on my caviar and wagyu steak now.

/end sarcasm

Last time I checked Labor appealed to lower classes mainly, with their socialist welfare views. Most of middle class, from anyone with their own business all the way up to people in high places, ie. people who have something going for themselves, have traditionally voted Liberals.

[Ryan1080]

There has been a huge swing, yes, and lost the majority, yes, but they now have about the same number of seats. Therefore pretty much half of the nation isn't against them.

The only thing I'm happy about in this election is that the Greens won Melbourne.
Oh and watching a whole lot of MP's having a cry. I love seeing MP's cry.

Primary vote, ie. the amount of voters who put a '1' next to the candidate's name, is a lot higher for Liberals/Nationals. Labor's primary vote is a lot lower this election. The only reason why Labor has the amount of seats it has, is because it has done preference deals with other parties. So if for example you voted for Greens, you effectively voted for Labor, but you may not have necessarily wanted Labor. To say that half of Australia wants Labor is just wrong.

[adrenalin]

Primary vote, ie. the amount of voters who put a '1' next to the candidate's name, is a lot higher for Liberals/Nationals. Labor's primary vote is a lot lower this election. The only reason why Labor has the amount of seats it has, is because it has done preference deals with other parties. So if for example you voted for Greens, you effectively voted for Labor, but you may not have necessarily wanted Labor. To say that half of Australia wants Labor is just wrong.

Thankyou

[SimonR32]

its a liberal comment, seams thead is full of liberals trying to fuck the lower and middle class even more

So by this statement you are agreeing that most Labor voters are of a lower intelligence?

[Mad_Aussie]

Primary vote, ie. the amount of voters who put a '1' next to the candidate's name, is a lot higher for Liberals/Nationals. Labor's primary vote is a lot lower this election. The only reason why Labor has the amount of seats it has, is because it has done preference deals with other parties. So if for example you voted for Greens, you effectively voted for Labor, but you may not have necessarily wanted Labor. To say that half of Australia wants Labor is just wrong.

Fair call, however if you're like me, and did vote for a minor party (like the Greens), you should have already known where that vote was going. I.e. (and not that it matters) the reason I put the tick on the Greens is I was happy with Labours policies, but not happy with them having the balance of power.

IMO if you vote for a minor party like that you know you're effectively voting for the party they align with. If "half the nation wanted Gillard out" then people wouldn't have voted the way they did, simple as that. Saying that the nation wants her out is stupid when we're sitting at 50/50, even if its not down to primary votes. Its not a 'clear indication' that people wanted them out, but a clear indication that they want things done differently. IE a huge amount of people want the NBN, but don't want the filter. Doesn't say however that they want the Libs instead.

[Ryan1080]

Fair call, however if you're like me, and did vote for a minor party (like the Greens), you should have already known where that vote was going. I.e. (and not that it matters) the reason I put the tick on the Greens is I was happy with Labours policies, but not happy with them having the balance of power.

IMO if you vote for a minor party like that you know you're effectively voting for the party they align with. If "half the nation wanted Gillard out" then people wouldn't have voted the way they did, simple as that. Saying that the nation wants her out is stupid when we're sitting at 50/50, even if its not down to primary votes. Its not a 'clear indication' that people wanted them out, but a clear indication that they want things done differently. IE a huge amount of people want the NBN, but don't want the filter. Doesn't say however that they want the Libs instead.

In perfect world perhaps. But you do know that massive proportion of the population wouldn't have a clue about where their preferences go to. You're assuming that all voters are informed, in reality they are ignorant and may not understand how it works exactly. Most are bored of the topic, and don't read enough to make an informed decision.

Also, why should we have two major parties only in the lower house? What if most people want to have Greens, or whoever else in the lower house instead of the major parties? They still want to vote for them, but don't want Julia, yet somehow their prefences go to Labor, even though they may have not necesserily intended that.

Unfortunately politicians do deals, and clutch at anything they can get to be re-elected. I'm not a fan of the preference voting system.

[Mad_Aussie]

In perfect world perhaps.
......
Unfortunately politicians do deals, and clutch at anything they can get to be re-elected. I'm not a fan of the preference voting system.

Well the assumption going around here is also that 100% of the voters didn't donkey vote or anything else. The preference system is pretty flawed, but the whole system of government is anyway. Sure, you elect a party on the grounds of their policies, but the amount of shit that they then decide for us without public input is astounding. When it comes down to it, the whole election process is just a white-wash impression of democracy, whereas its really an elected dictatorship, where a back room full of high power shadow people make a bunch of decisions for us without telling us.

And the sad thing is that still the majority of people believe they're electing a person, not a party.

[Ryan1080]

What's hillarious is that people think they are voting for Julia or Tony. Until we become a republic, we don't have a president we all elect.

It's not that bad, coudl be worse, Zimbabwe-spec.

[MMM]

Well the assumption going around here is also that 100% of the voters didn't donkey vote or anything else. The preference system is pretty flawed, but the whole system of government is anyway. Sure, you elect a party on the grounds of their policies, but the amount of shit that they then decide for us without public input is astounding. When it comes down to it, the whole election process is just a white-wash impression of democracy, whereas its really an elected dictatorship, where a back room full of high power shadow people make a bunch of decisions for us without telling us.

And the sad thing is that still the majority of people believe they're electing a person, not a party.

Yeah ok lets go to a referrendum on every issue that pops up. We elect a party to make decisions on our behalf.

[Mad_Aussie]

Yeah ok lets go to a referrendum on every issue that pops up. We elect a party to make decisions on our behalf.

Why can't we? Most people are connected to the internet, surely we could have some sort of opt-in/opt-out system where every morning the country is able to vote yes/no on a whole list of issues, and that be taken into consideration when these decisions are made.

Currently they choose like 100 people when they really have to, I honestly can't see why in the digital era where everyone checks their facebooks every 5 minutes we can't have a system that allows whoever wants to submit input on the decision making process to vote for things.

[morgazmatron]

Why can't we? Most people are connected to the internet, surely we could have some sort of opt-in/opt-out system where every morning the country is able to vote yes/no on a whole list of issues, and that be taken into consideration when these decisions are made.

Currently they choose like 100 people when they really have to, I honestly can't see why in the digital era where everyone checks their facebooks every 5 minutes we can't have a system that allows whoever wants to submit input on the decision making process to vote for things.

Our internet network just couldn't handle it

[Bomber]

Our internet network just couldn't handle it

LOL!!

[ben351]

Shooters and fishers party got my vote in the senate!

x2

[ben351]

is it just me or is it ironic that the greens preach save the planet, yet they printed of god knows how many MILLION copies of those STUPID flyers to hand out as you walk in

[Fukushima]

- Petrol prices never went back down like what was promised


pretty sure petrol is about 20 cents cheaper now than it was in 2007
and interest rates were at record lows in the last 3 years and are still lower than 2007

see what you can do by over-simplifying things? ;)


Lol Mad Aussie Labor has lost majority of its seats to liberals. its the biggest swing ever recorded since around the world war 2 era.


labor has lost what, 12 seats to the coalition? and 2 to the greens out of the 80-something they started with

the radio just said at this moment both parties are sitting on 73, thats a pretty even split!



Why should people who have gone through years of uni or have learnt a trade and have made something of themselves be taxed more so dumb pingpingpingpings can sit at home on the dole smoking weed and playing PS3 all day.

I dont like paying more tax just because I've made an effort to earn more by doing an extra shift or going to uni, but it is generally accepted that people who earn more and own more benefit the most from having the functions of government eg police, roads, rubbish collection, legal system universities etc.

The US once had a 90% top tax rate for the super rich and it was accepted that the progressive tax system was fair.

Dont forget that the richer you are the easier it is to find tax deductions so paying a higher rate compensates for that too




is it just me or is it ironic that the greens preach save the planet, yet they printed of god knows how many MILLION copies of those STUPID flyers to hand out as you walk in

at my polling place the greens had boxes set up where you could put your flyers in after voting, and i saw one of them return a big handful of liberal flyers to them

I don't believe recycling makes much of a difference (they would have printed a billion flyers anyway) but it was a nice touch

[fourseven]

The prediction is 73 each, not confirmed yet. Counting still in progress.

[Mad_Aussie]

I don't believe recycling makes much of a difference (they would have printed a billion flyers anyway) but it was a nice touch

It makes a hell of a difference, just not in the way everyone expects it to. Recycling paper uses a lot of energy and produces a lot of waste (arsenic and so forth from the initial manufacturing of the paper)... But it does cut down on the amount of new wood needed for things like bog rolls and such.. Every bit helps.

I did have to laugh at the irony of driving down the pristine Caves road on the weekend and seeing trees with big 'greens' signs nailed to them, and then left there once the voting was over. Top work.


It is interesting that there's word the Libs may back flip on the NBN, however its also a case of i'll believe it when I see it.

[DCIEVE]

And i've said it before and i'll say it again. The NBN is a necessity. If you don't understand that, then go hand back your computer now because you don't deserve to be part of the internet.


Fair call, however if you're like me, and did vote for a minor party (like the Greens),.

So did you vote green?

[winstor]

Yeh fuck all the people who don't have the capacity to land high/well paying jobs! Fuck letting them have access to a good public health system. Fuck them in general I guess...

[DanWA]

Yeh fuck all the people who don't have the capacity to land high/well paying jobs! Fuck letting them have access to a good public health system. Fuck them in general I guess...

thats historical liberal summed up right there

[Mad_Aussie]

So did you vote green?

Does it really concern anyone other than me as to who I voted for?

[Ryan1080]

I dont like paying more tax just because I've made an effort to earn more by doing an extra shift or going to uni, but it is generally accepted that people who earn more and own more benefit the most from having the functions of government eg police, roads, rubbish collection, legal system universities etc.

The US once had a 90% top tax rate for the super rich and it was accepted that the progressive tax system was fair.

Dont forget that the richer you are the easier it is to find tax deductions so paying a higher rate compensates for that too



Huh? So if I earn more, I get more benefit out of Police?
If I earn more, I probably live in a better/safer suburb with less crime, hence less need for police if you're a high income earner!

Roads? I know of a lot or rich pingpingpingpings from western suburbs who drive less than 5K kays a year. Then I know pingpingpingpings from fringe suburbs who earn a lot less, and drive a lot more to get to work etc.

Rubbish collection? Last time I checked all houses get two bins, whether you are in Peppy Grove or Armadale.

Legal system? It's a user pays system. And last time I checked, low income earners who can't afford a lawyer get one free of charge, thanks to the taxpayer.

University? Price is the same for both high income and low income earner, so irrelevant.

Not to mention that roads and rubbish collection is funded from council rates, not income tax.

[DCIEVE]

Does it really concern anyone other than me as to who I voted for?

Because there is a disconnect between those two statements.

[SimonR32]

Yeh fuck all the people who don't have the capacity to land high/well paying jobs! Fuck letting them have access to a good public health system. Fuck them in general I guess...

There is a difference between people who don't have a capacity and people who just don't...

Pretty much anyone who is willing and able bodied can earn a decent crust, people who are weak mentally are the ones that don't!

[Mistikal]

Isn't it true that any informal and donkey votes are counted towards the current parties/ministers/etc that were in term?

If so, would this not also have helped Gillard get a decent vote?

[Ryan1080]

Isn't it true that any informal and donkey votes are counted towards the current parties/ministers/etc that were in term?

If so, would this not also have helped Gillard get a decent vote?

No, informal votes are not counted. Donkey votes help out candidates who are on top of the list, as they generally get the '1'. The order of candidates is chosen at random.

[schnoods]

Reading todays paper a few interesting facts i found.


19,000 people voted for the Sex Party from WA alone, certainly a good effort.

5.64 percent informal votes, a total of 618,435 votes that were thrown away and pretty much could have thrown the election either way and avoided the deadlock we have now.

[shifted]

Who have the independant parties sided with though?

[Fujiwara13]

http://www.peo.gov.au/images/library/0107.gif

pingpingpingpings is spelled l.a.b.o.r.

Not to get overly picky, but I'm fairly sure that pingpingpingpings is not, in fact spelled using any of the letters in labor...

[BOSS 290]

Well done for being a moron, its a hung parliament, i.e. half the country is happy with her, half the country isn't.

The text type and language used was designed to appeal to those who base their vote on someone's appearance, such as the poster a few posts up.



And i've said it before and i'll say it again. The NBN is a necessity. If you don't understand that, then go hand back your computer now because you don't deserve to be part of the internet.

The NBN wasn't subject to any business case, just build it, then fuck it off seven years later irregardless what the cost to tax payers. No thanks, I'd prefer a business case to be presented to me before such a decision is made.

[Slip_]

Political debates. Giving the pseudo intellects a chance to shine.

Informal vote ftw. Rolled that toilet paper straight back up and in the slot.

5% is pretty hefty. Many share utter disdain for the current political system, yet for some reason still vote for one or the other? Follow through perhaps? 5% isnt going to cause much raucous, 20% on the other hand... might send a message.

[Slip_]

Not to get overly picky, but I'm fairly sure that pingpingpingpings is not, in fact spelled using any of the letters in labor...


^ The above post may well contain misleading information, blatant exaggeration and outright lies ^

oh noes

[Brockas]

5% is pretty hefty. Many share utter disdain for the current political system, yet for some reason still vote for one or the other? Follow through perhaps? 5% isnt going to cause much raucous, 20% on the other hand... might send a message.

I actually hope more people make invalid votes.

If you don't care enough, then don't vote. Simple. Worst is people who don't want to vote for Libs/Lab because they don't care, so they vote Greens to "help the environment".


I'd much rather those people decorate their voting paper with several LARGE penises and mail that to the Greens candidate in their area.

[shifted]

I actually hope more people make invalid votes.

If you don't care enough, then don't vote. Simple. Worst is people who don't want to vote for Libs/Lab because they don't care, so they vote Greens to "help the environment".


I'd much rather those people decorate their voting paper with several LARGE penises and mail that to the Greens candidate in their area.

Plus FUCKING 1!!

[Slip_]

I actually hope more people make invalid votes.

If you don't care enough, then don't vote. Simple. Worst is people who don't want to vote for Libs/Lab because they don't care, so they vote Greens to "help the environment".


I'd much rather those people decorate their voting paper with several LARGE penises and mail that to the Greens candidate in their area.

Exactly.

I'll just leave this here...

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[SK]

i didnt want to vote for anybody, but to avoid the $50 fine for not voting i just did a donkey vote, win.

[Scaf]

Same, I don't care.

I'd rather donkey vote, then vote for something I know nothing about.

Captain Planet FTW

[Fryman]

personally think that donkey voting is stupid, even if you dont believe in any one particular set of dribble from each of the major parties... even though the standard "my grandfather died for this country, so you can have a democracy to have a say" line is flawed... its all you have.

%5 is a huge donkey vote percentage, also in the fact that taking into account that teh general populous dont have the mental capacity to fill out the form correctly, ie if each of the boxes is not filled out as per instruction it null and voids the complete entrant.

The division between the two parties seems more then ever this time around. The biggest dilemma is as somebody mentioned, you are voting for a party and a concept, which more then likely never eventuate.

Lastly, and I say this with a great big LOL, nobody bit on Dan xbitor's bait, and he tried at least 3 times. If they monkeys are going to throw shit it might as well have some backing, rather then "spoken like a true liberal supporter" each time.

[Fryman]

on a side note, would you say the similarities of people that go donkey voting are of the same mindset of the people that Love to complain about lifes situations, but dont actually make a conscious act to try change their bickering? Even if said issues cannot be resolved or its too grand of a scale for a revolutionary change, rome wasnt built in a day..

[Fryman]

some peoples sentiments..

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/yeswecanberra/video.htm

27 minutes 30 seconds in. enjoy :)

[fourseven]

Sigh. Looks like 2 independents are prepared to side with Gillard. Looks as if she's staying in the lodge.

FML.

[Ryan1080]

Same, I don't care.

I'd rather donkey vote, then vote for something I know nothing about.

Captain Planet FTW

You serious? Donkey vote IS voting for something you have no idea about.

[fourseven]

Sigh. Looks like 2 independents are prepared to side with Gillard. Looks as if she's staying in the lodge.

FML.

Annnnd that report was complete nonsense apparently. Phew.

[Butcher]

I cant believe all you guys saying i dont care. If you have a job and have bought a house or plan to the government in power has a big impact on how hard or easy life will become. It could be the difference between struggling to pay off one house before you die or being able to purchase many and live comfortably.

Example Antilag has become an incorporated body there fore every year a board will be elected to manage and run the club. In a years time Brockas says yes i would like to continue to be the head of the club and puts his hand up but also does some random forum person. But said random person gets 50 members to vote for him and every one else with a i dont give a fuck attitude doesnt vote and Brockas ends up with only 35 votes. Random person gets in and says fuck you closes the forums and decides to charge everyone $50 a year to view the forums. Place goes to shit due to poor management and all the "i dont give a fuck" people start jumping up and down ranting and raving about how shit the place is.

Translated into politics
Brockas, Random = Parties
Antilag = Prosperous country
Pay to view = TAX
Crap forums = Piss poor quality of life
'Idont give a fuck' = You
Who is to blame?

Note this is just a very quick concise account not to be taken as gospel just a CSB on a point of view.

[Fukushima]

brockas is a socialist because he intends for the forums to always be free

[Mad_Aussie]

brockas is a socialist because he intends for the forums to always be free

Good thing we aren't in America then, lol

looking at the numbers on the AEC, its amazing how close it is!

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

5,075,232 to labour, 4,947,993 to the coalition...

[Ryan1080]

looking at the numbers on the AEC, its amazing how close it is!

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

5,075,232 to labour, 4,947,993 to the coalition...

Two party preferred... this includes preferences etc.

[Mad_Aussie]

Two party preferred... this includes preferences etc.

Yeah I know, but those are still the numbers that are going to count in the end.

[Ryan1080]

Yeah I know, but those are still the numbers that are going to count in the end.

No they don't. It's how many seats are won that counts.

For instance, a Lib candidate in seat A might get 99,000 out of 100,000 votes; an ALP candidate might get 31,000 out of 60,000 votes in seat B; and in seat C, another ALP candidate might get 11,000 out of 20,000 votes. All in all the Libs have more votes in total (137,000), but have only won one seat, whereas ALP won two seats with less votes in total (43,000), and therefore wins majority to form govt.