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Adsport
05-05-2005, 08:42 AM
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http://www.members.westnet.com.au/adsport/hoonin.bmp
several thoughts on my part, this could possibly not only clog our court system to the point of breaking but allow people to sue later on for loss of wages etc while being dragged through court aswell as defamation if found not guilty?
If this is introduced, the first person I will report for hooning is Michelle Roberts..
doriae86
05-05-2005, 08:57 AM
false stat dec is a criminal offence
Remix
05-05-2005, 08:59 AM
Yup it will have to be done. I'd happily stand up in court against her - fucking mole.
Such bullshit...
It can't possibly be made law...can't these people see that this is just plain rediculously stupid?!?!
What next?? The general public allowed to defect your car??
If it's introduced they can't possibly prosecute with out some sort of evidence can they? The cops cant just throw you in jail because they suspect you did something illegal because they need to have proof...surely this can't be any different
The sooner Michelle Roberts gets run over by a drink driver or stabbed with a blood filled syringe by a junkie the better...might make her work on some real issues instead of these quasy social problems.
I say "DO SOME REAL WORK YOU GINGER PUBED MUNTER!"
Remix
05-05-2005, 09:25 AM
How will the public be able to prove that you were actually driving your/the car?
exactly...they'd need proof...video evidence or pictures or something substantial. This law hasn't been thought through and appears to have lots of holes in it.
Anyone know if there is a draft or more info on the proposed legislation somewhere?
Brockas
05-05-2005, 11:18 AM
who said they need proof?
the police dont!
cops can lie as much as they want if they dont like you, and you are guilty until proven innocent... this wont hold up in court if challenged by sum1 with bulk money and a good lawyer.
If anyone gets done by this, hire a lawyer, u will get off, then sue the person who dobbed you in.
/me awaits to hear from ferret on the situation lol
false stat dec is a criminal offence
A chance I'm willing to take...some carefully edited photoshops might work in my favour ;)
Remix
05-05-2005, 11:24 AM
As if our courts aren't already congested enough.
Remix
05-05-2005, 11:26 AM
A chance I'm willing to take...some carefully edited photoshops might work in my favour ;)
Even better if your mate was in another car near by and also 'saw' Michelle Roberts dangerous driving ;)
Brockas
05-05-2005, 11:38 AM
Even better if your mate was in another car near by and also 'saw' Michelle Roberts dangerous driving ;)
make that a bunch of your mates near by who just HAPPEN to be in the area all witnessing michelle revving it up the street....
Or a bunch of mates strung out in 500m increments on a major road, who all spotted her doing a huge single legger
THEN, later that night....do a single legger, take the photographs of it the next day and say it was Michelle.
steal her numberplates, whack em on another rep spec VY commodore sedan (or whatever she drives), and do a burnout...then put her plates back :D
doriae86
05-05-2005, 11:56 AM
How will the public be able to prove that you were actually driving your/the car?
chong, it will be owner ownus, ie the ownus is on the owner to proove they wernt driving similar to speed camera laws
LNYMRKO
05-05-2005, 01:53 PM
What a crock of shit. This is just rediculous, if theres no evidence why the fuck waste court time of a minor driving incident? This is getting beyond stupid. Michelle Roberts is just plain stupid and her ideas just keep getting worse and worse.
And Brockas, Australia is a country in which you are innocent until proven guilty, hence everyone would be innocent in court, unless the other person has some substantial evidence. Its just utter ludacris really, anyone could dob anyone in for no reason, and just because "I said you did" is a matter to take it to court? C'mon, save court time for better shit.
Fuckin pathetic..
magic1
05-05-2005, 01:55 PM
can any of you photochop?
LNYMRKO
05-05-2005, 02:04 PM
Judging by the skills in the photochop thread, nope! :P
B0BB0
05-05-2005, 02:16 PM
I was shagging there insert [girlfriend, mother, daughter, lesbo lover, ....., grandaughter,]
i think it would be easy to dispute these claims if it come to it, or i think we will see an era of fake number plates.
180 sx
05-05-2005, 02:22 PM
I could try to photochop it.lol
this law has no chance with any lawyer. First week of having my car, there was atleast 10 ppl that have ran out of there houses to yell at me and wave me down.lol. only going about 65 in 50 zone. They would even have a clu how fast i was going, just bc my car is loud and accelerates fast, they jump out of the grampa seats and run outside, its their daily exercise but yep next few day cops drive by house.lol.Apparently these people have to actually go to the police station, if they just ring up nothing can be done, unless there is evidence. I would drive my dad 4wd around heaps faster and bc its not loud i have not had no one complain. Ohh well, there is my anger takin out today.
Miami
05-05-2005, 02:25 PM
who said they need proof?
the police dont!
cops can lie as much as they want if they dont like you, and you are guilty until proven innocent... this wont hold up in court if challenged by sum1 with bulk money and a good lawyer.
If anyone gets done by this, hire a lawyer, u will get off, then sue the person who dobbed you in.
/me awaits to hear from ferret on the situation lol
hehe - i actually have all 300-odd pages of the Road Traffic Act sitting on my pc in pdf format....have briefly been through it. And then there's the Police Act, which i also have to go through, and the Criminal Code, which i also have...
the law, as its written, actually gives police pretty broad powers....the wording is something like "reasonable suspicion"...as in, they can book you for something if they have "reasonable suspicion" that it was you - such as a stat dec signed by someone, based on the *ASSUMED* legality of the stat dec, as it is PERJURY to falsify one...problem is, i gotta go find (more correctly, my law-studying girlfriend has to point me to) some of the precendent cases relating to how "reasonable suspicion" has been defined by the courts. same as searching through your car to find defects - i didnt think they could acually do that legally, but then there's this amendment or something that means they can search your car if they have suspicion that you are in possession of drugs...which basically means they can just pull you over and go through your car, claiming a drugs check, and then "oh, look, you've got a blow-off valve, i'll have to defect you for that whilst i'm here".
i actually think its about time a well-constructed test case was put up against these new "hoon law" amendments...just to really clarify what can & can't be done....and i'm still waiting to hear what the dealio is with regards to claiming compensation for the towing and impound fees, etc (which YOU have to pay), if your car is impounded, and then you're found innocent (during your day in court, which happens AFTER your car has been impounded, as i understand it?? hows that for "innocent until proven guilty"??!!).
was interested to hear Michelle Roberts interviewed the other day regarding the effectiveness of these laws - "250 cars impounded since their inception, one guy had his car done twice....mainly males drivers aged 18-30, which was our target demographic, so we believe we've achieved our goal"...yes, but michelle, has the road toll actually been reduced at all since these laws came in????? surely that is the only relevant measure of the effectiveness of these laws??? i mean, you dont have to be a f*cking genius to realise that a law that is designed to target a specific demographic will actually result in the prosecution of offenders who fall mainly within that demographic......
the sooner this defect info night thats been proposed in another thread gets off the ground, and we have the cahnce to get some (as yet not-forthcoming) info on what these laws actually mean and what our rights are, the better.
there you go brockas, you've heard from me mate :)
GENU1NE
05-05-2005, 02:26 PM
It will never come into law, so dont fret about it. Michelle Roberts can spin whatever bullshit she wants but when it comes down to making it a law, she cant make that decision. To bring this pathetic summary of words into a law is ludicris and we aren't the only people who know that, the courts know that!
So forget it, people will be dobbing in people left right and centre. All hell will break lose and the only evidence will be Mrs Grandma Semple of age 89 whos hearing aid slipped onto extra-loud in her arobics class, who shouldnt even be on the fuckin road anyways!
All that will happen is the police will send letters to the supposed offenders saying 'you were spotted doing blah blah blah at blah blah blah by a member of the general public, if further incidents occur then further action will be taken.'
And this is meant to "scare" the person, but further action cannot be taken due to the above reasons, i had a letter of similar content sent to me when i had to get up for work @ 5am in a canningvale estate and produce "excessive noise", horse shit, turn ya hearing aids off old pricks.
My 20cents :P
GENU1NE
05-05-2005, 02:32 PM
They can pick you up on suspiscion but they still need to have a "lead" or some form of evidence to say that Joe Bloggs might be carrying illegal firearms or drugs .etc.
Car related modifications would have to be a completely different ball park than suspiscion of carrying drugs/firearms.
Miami
05-05-2005, 02:33 PM
All hell will break lose and the only evidence will be Mrs Grandma Semple of age 89 whos hearing aid slipped onto extra-loud in her arobics class
geez, grandma semple is doing well!! aerobics class at age 89!!! :)
i can see it now.....boy breaks up with girl...girl rings best friend....girl & best friend sign stat decs - "he was speeding, then ran a stop sign, we were in the car"....boy gets car impounded. justice is served, peace restored, and clearly there will be no more deaths on the roads.
They can pick you up on suspiscion but they still need to have a "lead" or some form of evidence to say that Joe Bloggs might be carrying illegal firearms or drugs .etc.
Car related modifications would have to be a completely different ball park than suspiscion of carrying drugs/firearms.
not really.
blue lights on, pull over - "excuse me sir, we have reason to believe you may be in the possession of illegal substances, we're going to search your car"...search, pop bonnet - "excuse me sir, are you aware that there are several modifications that you have fitted to this vehicle which are illegal?? i'm going to have to issue you a defect notice with regards to these"...canary on the 'screen..."drive carefully son, we'll be watching you." and what are you gonna do in return??? not much you can do.
HotAe92
05-05-2005, 02:47 PM
I too think its shit.
This would mean, the old bat on the corner of the street could have me in court, for giving it hurt past her house a few times, i mean come ON!.This just gives the general public more reason to 'take the law into their own hands'. Michelle is the police minister, why shouldnt she do something constructive by giving owners the right 'to beat the shit outta' someone who unlawfully enters ur home with intention of burgulary. Seriously, someone can have the right to dob u in because u drive 10km/h over the limit past their house once, but u cant even defend ur own property without being taken to court.
The Police Department need to seriously get their priorities right!!
I understand that there are considerable road tolls for young drivers, but they need to understand that taking 'hoons' car is not the answer, however education would be a more realistic solution, most of us know how much of a joke it is to actually get ur licence. Ive known ppl to go from phase1 to 'p's in 2 months... Im gonna wrap it up there
Cheers Jayden.
GENU1NE
05-05-2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by ferret :
not really.
blue lights on, pull over - "excuse me sir, we have reason to believe you may be in the possession of illegal substances, we're going to search your car"...search, pop bonnet - "excuse me sir, are you aware that there are several modifications that you have fitted to this vehicle which are illegal?? i'm going to have to issue you a defect notice with regards to these"...canary on the 'screen..."drive carefully son, we'll be watching you." and what are you gonna do in return??? not much you can do.
I cooperate with the police and have never been aggressive or smart about it, but if a cop pulled me over and said they had suspiscion i was carrying drugs or firearms i would laugh and clearly ask who they think they are and i would ask for evidence to make them think that. Id stand there with my car locked and say you can wait till my lawyers get here(haha yeh right) and dispute it with them.
If a cop says they have suspiscions of you doing illegal operations without any form of evidence its just like calling somebody a faggot. Its a false accussation that(if you want to) can be taken straight to court and make them pay through the nose.
Dont worry im not argueing with you, i just feel like having a rant :P hehe
LNYMRKO
05-05-2005, 03:21 PM
This just gives the general public more reason to 'take the law into their own hands'. Michelle is the police minister, why shouldnt she do something constructive by giving owners the right 'to beat the shit outta' someone who unlawfully enters ur home with intention of burgulary. Seriously, someone can have the right to dob u in because u drive 10km/h over the limit past their house once, but u cant even defend ur own property without being taken to court.Thats probably the first time I've agreed with something you've said. ;)
I still reckon we should do a burnout with Bitch ass Robert's number plates, that'll solve everything :)
This would mean, the old bat on the corner of the street could have me in court, for giving it hurt past her house a few times
i think you are missing the point...if you are driving around at above the speed limit then i'd say that you deserve to be busted.
However, the problem with these laws is that they are basically giving the public the right to do the busting.
I see this having two major weaknesses...1. The general public are probably not very well versed in traffic policing laws and methods (they have no fsking clue) and 2. It leaves the door wide open for false and misleading claims.
To be perfectly honest...(not sure if i said this already) but the whole thing is sensationalism and purley spun to cover up the other huge messes that Robert's creates...like the prison system etc. I'd be highly surprised if it came into law atall and if it did i couldn't see them taking away cars on the say so of some retarded public do-gooder.
spankd
05-05-2005, 03:51 PM
The only thing that worries me is the stupid old fart up the street that nearly kills himself running out of the house to get my number plate when all i am doing is 50km/h in a 50km/h zone with an aftermarket exhaust which is a little loud...
Its the "uneducated" being given too much power which will fuck it for the enthusiast that does the right thing.
Balistic has a point guys.
Burnout is the only real viable solution to this predicament.
Thats right OneJ, if all else fails, do a fuckin buuuurnout!!!!!
masTers
06-05-2005, 02:06 AM
I can see a waiting list of about 12 months for police to investigate claims after 4 weeks of these new rules being introducted.
Id say Michelle Roberts has been dumped for a car one too many times and this is her revenge..
GENU1NE
06-05-2005, 07:40 AM
YEh id rather stick it in a hot flaming exhaust lol
Maybe we should start one of those internet petitions...
"This petition is for those in favour of BALISTIC to perform a nice big burnout on Michelle Roberts already well minged face"
Brodsta
07-05-2005, 04:39 PM
just get everyone to get michelle roberts number plate rego, and the type of car she drives, then find out where she goes and get heaps of people to go dob those plates into the station saying the car was speeding and random shit like that
CeFiRoHH!
07-05-2005, 06:02 PM
hahaha i agree wiv u brodie..that could work quite nicely...
i have ppl i would love 2 dob in for no reason just 2 piss them off but i wouldnt have the guts 2 do it..but u have ppl out there that would just fuck wiv the rule and any1 that they dont like would just pick on them.the cops rnt 2 no that the person dobbing the other person in actually knows who they r.a petition sounds good,but u reckon it would have any effect?!
DVIOUS
07-05-2005, 11:00 PM
What a load of BULL S#*T! polititions do anything to gain votes in the poles, no matter how crazy they are!
cplagz
08-05-2005, 01:18 AM
Someone should sue Michelle Roberts for being a retarded 2cent crackwhore.
sLOW navara
08-05-2005, 03:28 AM
Someone should sue Michelle Roberts for being a retarded 2cent crackwhore.
off you go then and see how far you get with it i bet she has more money then cents and sues your ass for calling her a crackwhore.
the hole dob some one in if they do something they dont like so if you had a old biddy that lived at the end of your street she could dob you in for driving up the street as most jap cars dont have standard exhausts (if they did its very gay) so we are all fucked.
i better stop gating old ladies waiting for the bus then
MikeM
08-05-2005, 07:55 PM
yeah and umm does no1 realise that all these old farts are the people who vote new laws into effect???! talk to your own parents and see what they say.. they don't agree with burnouts and racing or 'hoon cars' as described by your mate crackwhore slutster. At the end of the day we will lose out as with everything and the only real solution is to either hide it real good or keep it legal.. unless of course you are lucky enough to live country. The days of burnouts out front of the pub is over... cops would have turned a blind eye. not now! if they do and u hurt someone they'll end up in the shit... Really it all revolves around the insurance companies but thats another far king issue..... any thoughts??
:flipa:
nihilism
08-05-2005, 08:16 PM
yeah and umm does no1 realise that all these old farts are the people who vote new laws into effect???! talk to your own parents and see what they say.. they don't agree with burnouts and racing or 'hoon cars' as described by your mate crackwhore slutster. At the end of the day we will lose out as with everything and the only real solution is to either hide it real good or keep it legal.. unless of course you are lucky enough to live country. The days of burnouts out front of the pub is over... cops would have turned a blind eye. not now! if they do and u hurt someone they'll end up in the shit... Really it all revolves around the insurance companies but thats another far king issue..... any thoughts??
:flipa:
My thoughts, giving the police power to take your car off you literally because they don't like the look of you was bad enough, but now letting the general public do the same is beyond the joke. Someone needs to draw a line.
Maybe we should start one of those internet petitions...
"This petition is for those in favour of BALISTIC to perform a nice big burnout on Michelle Roberts already well minged face"
Bring her to me and I'll do it..
I have a V8 powered Ford, perfect for BUUURNOUTS!!!
MikeM
08-05-2005, 08:37 PM
Someone needs to draw a line.
AGREED... now all we need is a plan?! considering the eastern states have a completely different setup which is probably more leanient... we can't look to them for wisdom.. well I wouldnt have anyway.
I really do not have a fcking clue on what can be done... Maybe we just have one car for street and one car for track? like they do in the countries with ridiculous laws where the only ones that can participate must be millionaires beforehand. Thats the way it's heading haha.
escortMAD
08-05-2005, 08:53 PM
hi u all at antilag
wat eva happed to a licky and a good oll ruff up at the nearest cop shop
Sketch
08-05-2005, 10:08 PM
im up for reckless, because someone said i was "cutting up" (and YEs that is the term used on the court order) on a gravel carpark in northam.
the cop pulled me up 3 hours later to tell me to expect a court date.,,, i got it yesterday.
Sketch
08-05-2005, 10:22 PM
"THEN, later that night....do a single legger, take the photographs of it the next day and say it was Michelle"
tehy have photo's of my "cutting up" taken 2 days later, on a cement pad, FULL of fucking burnouts, and THATS their only evidence,,,,? and a single stat dec from teh owner of the road house where it allegedly happened..
tehy pulled me up on teh word of one guy, 3 hours later, and i have to drive to northam to present my case..
teh cop said to me "we dont need your kind around here"
discrimination against the shiny loud car in your small town issit?
nd4spd
09-05-2005, 03:55 AM
Here are some amusing things kel found on another forum...what shit! So if a person is reported do the cops knock on their door and ask for the keys to your car? Or will the rock up with a summons? And I always thought the law said innocent til proven guilty... I reckon some cops are gonna end up hurt before people willingly hand their cars to the cops at the front door!
http://www.betterfuture.com.au/downloads/policy/plantocrackdownonhoonsroadrage.pdf
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15072813%255E23670,00.html
ha ha...i love that advertiser article.
one nasty email coming right up...
P.s. the writers email is at the bottom of that page.
GENU1NE
09-05-2005, 08:40 AM
As i said, we think its stupid and alot of the hierachy in the courts think its stupid too. Michelle Roberts thinks of the laws but she doesnt actually bring them into play.
So i wouldnt stress about it, word against word without physical evidence is pathetic and wouldnt stand in court and the courts know this. This law may come into play but the accusing party will have to have some form of physical evidence which will be heavilly viewed and scrutinised before it even got taken to the courts.
There will never come a time where some grandma can just say 'that loud car was doing 100km in my back street', and then a court date is set. Theres too many ways around it.
I did write up a list of crap that could be used in court to fight a case like this but in the end i couldnt be bothered:P But theres so many loop holes around this that it makes me laugh everytime i hear about it trying to be taken into power.
Just ignore it, unless theres unfaultable, clear sounded, picture perfect quality video footage of your car with visible plates doing a burnout, nothing can be done. Even video footage of you flying past cant be used unless a speed record is taken at the event.
i've heard she has a penis. can anyone substantiate these claims or is she guilty until proven innocent.
GENU1NE
09-05-2005, 11:30 AM
Guilty even if proven innocent. haha
LNYMRKO
09-05-2005, 02:39 PM
As i said, we think its stupid and alot of the hierachy in the courts think its stupid too. Michelle Roberts thinks of the laws but she doesnt actually bring them into play.
So i wouldnt stress about it, word against word without physical evidence is pathetic and wouldnt stand in court and the courts know this. This law may come into play but the accusing party will have to have some form of physical evidence which will be heavilly viewed and scrutinised before it even got taken to the courts.
There will never come a time where some grandma can just say 'that loud car was doing 100km in my back street', and then a court date is set. Theres too many ways around it.
I did write up a list of crap that could be used in court to fight a case like this but in the end i couldnt be bothered:P But theres so many loop holes around this that it makes me laugh everytime i hear about it trying to be taken into power.
Just ignore it, unless theres unfaultable, clear sounded, picture perfect quality video footage of your car with visible plates doing a burnout, nothing can be done. Even video footage of you flying past cant be used unless a speed record is taken at the event.:werd:
Ant, yep Australian laws constiture innocence until proven guilty. Some fucked up country's are the other way around.
MikeM
09-05-2005, 06:16 PM
As i said, we think its stupid and alot of the hierachy in the courts think its stupid too. Michelle Roberts thinks of the laws but she doesnt actually bring them into play.
So i wouldnt stress about it, word against word without physical evidence is pathetic and wouldnt stand in court and the courts know this. This law may come into play but the accusing party will have to have some form of physical evidence which will be heavilly viewed and scrutinised before it even got taken to the courts.
There will never come a time where some grandma can just say 'that loud car was doing 100km in my back street', and then a court date is set. Theres too many ways around it.
I did write up a list of crap that could be used in court to fight a case like this but in the end i couldnt be bothered:P But theres so many loop holes around this that it makes me laugh everytime i hear about it trying to be taken into power.
Just ignore it, unless theres unfaultable, clear sounded, picture perfect quality video footage of your car with visible plates doing a burnout, nothing can be done. Even video footage of you flying past cant be used unless a speed record is taken at the event.
yes this is true.. but i think we should be more worried about the cockheads who try it on to start with.. the cops do "pick on you" beacuse of your car colour, ride height, exhaust, etc. etc. etc. whether it be legal or not.... how many people have been yellowed where their car is legal... and once they get to the pits it is taken straight off. there are 2 books.. one for the cops and one for the pit inspectors, they need to clarify between themselves what is and isn't legal.. they are primarily the same entity and they contradict themselves over and over.
go figure??!
CLOWNS!!!!
GENU1NE
10-05-2005, 07:49 AM
But this has been happening way before the word 'hoon' described every p plater or every nice car.
And its only a few cops, just like its only a few dickheads that ruin the car scene for the rest of us.
It will always be around and it will always cause problems, but ive been pulled over by the most arrogant officer that ive ever seen in my life, and even he didnt try give me his opinion on the law.
They will never try change the law just to be bastards, and this topic is about 'dobbing in a hoon', even if somebody has a miss-perception of this idea they cannot bring it into affect because the consequences for the officer are so severe he would be paying through his nose and be on newstart for a very long time.
Before anybody kicks my ass for saying this, i know some officers like to have their own perception about the legalities of certain modifications, but they all branch under 1 act, im talking about trying to use a wannabe-law to punish a driver when it has not yet been passed by the courts, it wont happen.
So in conclusion(heh), hotted up cars will always be picked on, it will never phase out or change so we need to just get used to it.
Unless something really life changing happens, there will always be hoons destroying the car scene and there will always be officers who are fed up with them taking their anger out on the innocent drivers.
But in regards to this topic, it will never come into play.
nd4spd
11-05-2005, 09:47 AM
Lnymrko, my point exactly...but they seem to act completely opposite!
Starpulsechic
19-05-2005, 12:14 PM
For your enjoyment:
michelle-roberts@dpc.wa.gov.au
GENU1NE
19-05-2005, 12:33 PM
dpc?
Starpulsechic
19-05-2005, 12:41 PM
Department of the Premier and Cabinet
GENU1NE
19-05-2005, 01:32 PM
ooooo nice :P naughty mel heh
RICEY
19-05-2005, 02:30 PM
Yeah great idea, a heap of car enthusiasts send abusive E-mails, that'll really improve our image...
Slip_
19-05-2005, 03:13 PM
abuse emails definately wont make them see our P.O.V
something does need to be said tho...
im sure they're aware of our stance on this issue, little chance they will aggree or understand it.
thats when we hassle the dog pingpingpingpings
Starpulsechic
19-05-2005, 03:20 PM
I didnt post it for the intention of abusive emails, but for positive critisim or ideas to be emailed to her.
But this is up to your disgression.
Maybe antilag could write an offical letter and email it?
RICEY
19-05-2005, 03:22 PM
E-mailing Michelle Horsehead Roberts will be about as effective as E-mailing Kev from the local pub. Shes a dumb bitch from the planet Fuckshesugly who obviously has no time for car enthusiasts and as such wont pay any attention to E-mails recieved from them.
We need to find people in power who are willing to listen and perhaps improve the situation and relationship between car enthusiasts and Police / Govt...
Starpulsechic
19-05-2005, 03:36 PM
If that fails, try Tony Watson, he is a senior constable, in state traffic coordination
he is more than happy to speak to car enthusiasts.
I see this having two major weaknesses...1. The general public are probably not very well versed in traffic policing laws and methods (they have no fsking clue) and 2. It leaves the door wide open for false and misleading claims.
I don't think anyone is very well versed in traffic policing laws and methods
including the police (well mandurah cops at least). U can tell that half the time there making up rules as they go. For example I was pulled up on the ANZAC long weekend ( he went through 2 redlights with sirens at full noise n strobes on to get me ) and he said " You have chrome stickers down the sides of you car i've never seen that before it must be illegal !" then gave a yellow scratch n sniff . :asshole:
Philthy
28-05-2005, 02:26 PM
who said they need proof?
the police dont!
cops can lie as much as they want if they dont like you, and you are guilty until proven innocent... this wont hold up in court if challenged by sum1 with bulk money and a good lawyer.
If anyone gets done by this, hire a lawyer, u will get off, then sue the person who dobbed you in.
/me awaits to hear from ferret on the situation lol
police arnt that corrupt fellas. my bro is a 3rd yr law student and said if the cops come to urs house cause someone has dobbed u in and u say no i wasnt, provided there arnt skid marks or anything linking you to the alledged offence they cant do shit
Philthy
28-05-2005, 02:30 PM
also i read a while ago that u can put ppl under house arrest for shit and that it is never used i think most ppl unless they hate u will not dob u in. and if u go drifting or something late at night they have to be pretty quick to come outside and get ur plates in the time u drift and belt down the street, if it does get through im sure it wont affect u guys too much. bout that stickers on ur car PT-R did u talk to a lawyer or someone bout it cause if its all shit then u can royally fuck on the cops for that shit
Brockas
28-05-2005, 04:02 PM
i think most ppl unless they hate u will not dob u in
I think not. Only yesterday i came out of my street at half throttle, got to 50 pretty quickly then maintained 50. Elderly couple stop walking, look at me, shake their heads and then watch me down the rest of the street. Given the chance, they would have definately dobbed me in, and i didn't come close to breaking the law.
We are giving uneducated citezens the right to accuse someone based purely on judgement.
The implications of these laws would be comical if they were extended to the whole society, people would laugh and take it for granted that they would never be implicated.
For example, if it was extended: I see a suspicious man in a balaclava out the front of someones house. I recognise the man, report him for breaking and entering and he is promptly arrested. The ownus would then be on him to prove he didn't go in the house.
Pure idiocy.
LNYMRKO
28-05-2005, 04:20 PM
The thing with old people (not only old people too) is that they associate noise with speed, so any car with an exhaust/bov/pod flutter is going to be under scrutiny from these citizens.
bout that stickers on ur car PT-R did u talk to a lawyer or someone bout it cause if its all **** then u can royally **** on the cops for that ****
Man when i got to pits the guy there said the same thing but i don't realy want to risk it. i have a bad enough reputation with the local ****-stuably as it is if i got one of there boys up the ****e then i can kiss my car goodbye
and to make things worse i'm gettin a reputation at the pits now 2 i went down there today to get the latest sticker (#4) off and had to argue with the dude over my reverse light for 15 min's .Its totaly OEM and it has a red lens on it i had to call up a couple of ppl from the PT Cruiser club to come down to prove it too him :asshole: :flipa:
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