Adding turbo to N/A?

[tehobbit]

Howdy.

Been feeling the need to get some real power in between my steering column but I have been debating the issue of what to get or to upgrade what I have.

So I wanted to ask what kind of cost/ect I might be up for on some of the rides I have been thinking of.

First : Rx8 running an aftermarket turbo kit (I’ve seen it done but how reliable are these and I have heard shocking things about rotaries. (Big power...Big problems? )

Second: I’m running around in a 2006 subaru impreza (not a wrx) but have been thinking of dumping like an 04-07 STI engine in there. What kind of upgrades would I have to add on?

Third: Bailing on it all and going for like an S15.

Thoughts?

[TJ]

S15.

[ovaxitd]

s15

[evo5aurus]

engine conversions are always a massive headache

strapping a turbo on a N/A cant really be relied on, youll have to factor in something going wrong/breaking

your best bet is buying a car built for the power your after

[tehobbit]

thanks guys,

:P i was thinking the engine conversion isnt always fun, then brake upgrades and so on and so forth.

I guess i just need to sell my N/A...Market isn't great atm.

Any other suggestions?

[TJ]

Burn it in the pines and get full agreed value

[tehobbit]

=p there getting pretty ninja with that now...
anyone got a brick and know how to hotwire a subaru?

[Mandee]

Forget turbocharging the Subaru... by the time you do it, it'll cost you as much as buying a WRX in the first place.

If you want a turbocharged vehicle, buy a factory built one.

[locote]

engine conversions are always a massive headache

strapping a turbo on a N/A cant really be relied on, youll have to factor in something going wrong/breaking


Only if your a cheap pingpingpingping

[Brett_J]

Always makes me laugh when people say turboing an N/A is unreliable, have seen countless bolt ons cop epic amount of abuse and go hard and forever, and on the cheap as well, just gotta have a good tune as with any car.

[tehobbit]

Ball park figure anyone to drop and late model STI engine in with running gear and ect?

[TJ]

15k.

[locote]

http://www.adelaidejap.com.au/adeljap/enginesavailable/suburu

[tehobbit]

Might be worth selling this and going the s15/Wrx/evo option?

[evo5aurus]

Always makes me laugh when people say turboing an N/A is unreliable, have seen countless bolt ons cop epic amount of abuse and go hard and forever, and on the cheap as well, just gotta have a good tune as with any car.

theres always exceptions but why bother fucking around with shit thats not meant to be? IMO strapping a turbo on a car is like someone having a sex change no matter how well its done something just isnt right

do it right and buy a car thats had millions of dollars of R&D pumped into it and built to perform

or as people have mentioned build it yourself but it will cost you alot more than just buying a performance car

IMO sell it, upgrade to an evo and be superior to a wrx in every way =P

*awaits flaming

[Lonewolf]

yep, get rid of it.
If you like the car itself, then pay the cash for a WRX/STI, or start with something else.

With other more suitable cars, yes turbo'ing an N/A engine can be very good, provided its done properly. Likely to do this with my VW down the track.

[ED40]

theres always exceptions but why bother fucking around with shit thats not meant to be?

Because it's fun! And you get to learn ALOT.. well thats what happened with my ongoing build anyway.
:)

[Joe]

Ball park figure anyone to drop and late model STI engine in with running gear and ect?

OK lets sum this up.

You'll need:

- Engine (LONG motor so you get all the bits). Proper late model JDM AVCS EJ207 is $5-7k for a good no or low km one.
- Gearbox and associated components. $4-7k depending on specification of diffs, etc.
- Brakes (4 pots, or if you want to do a proper STi conversion, Brembos) - $1-2k.
- Rims to suit brakes. $1-3k.
- Suspension to suit as you don't want GX spec suspension with the more powerful engine. $1-2k.
- Rear diff can be left, but you'll have to change crown wheel and pinion to suit box. If you put R180 in, it'll blow the cost out even more and it'll be easier to run rear Brembos (or fudge around with different hubs, etc, to run Subaru 2 pots). $3k to do it properly with Brembos, $500 to do it the cheap way.
- Bonnet if you want to run TMIC, or fork out for a front mount. $500 - $2k
- Fuel pump. $200
- Wiring.. not sure of the specifics as I've not seen too many people convert GD chassis non-turbo to GD-chassis turbo (except for the obvious full JDM conversions like Jme's), but you'll have to change some shit around including ECU. $1k for stock gear, add more if you run re-flashed or aftermarket ECU - $1k-4k.

Will you be DIY'ing? If not, budget several thousand in labour for a workshop to do all of the above depending who does it.

Add it up depending on what specification you want to do it. Then its still a non-turbo Subaru thats been converted, with poor resale value and povo pack interior that comes along with the deal.

Or you can sell your 06 and buy an 05 STi for $30-$35k.

[Brett_J]

theres always exceptions but why bother fucking around with shit thats not meant to be? IMO strapping a turbo on a car is like someone having a sex change no matter how well its done something just isnt right

do it right and buy a car thats had millions of dollars of R&D pumped into it and built to perform

or as people have mentioned build it yourself but it will cost you alot more than just buying a performance car

IMO sell it, upgrade to an evo and be superior to a wrx in every way =P

*awaits flaming

Because thats the essence of building performance cars, how much innovation has been made from things that weren't meant to be.

Fuck even HKS sell bolt on kits for N/A's

Enjoy your boring car ownership champ,I'll keep enjoying the ground up builds on cars that weren't "right" for it.

[HIKARI]

engine conversions are always a massive headache

strapping a turbo on a N/A cant really be relied on, youll have to factor in something going wrong/breaking

your best bet is buying a car built for the power your after

Wrong, I'm pushing a fair bit on my used to be na barge.

[Joe]

IMO sell it, upgrade to an evo and be superior to a wrx in every way =P

*awaits flaming

No need to flame you, I'll just chop you instead.

[mys1]

Wrong Base car to do anythign to, It has no sporting pedigree because its bigger brother has allready done it! Go to a car dealer, Trade and refinance into something that will go like a mad dog!

[kurbn]

34GTT.. doooiittt! at least its reliable power.

[tehobbit]

Well big props to BALISTC for spelling out the cost.

I have heard of people saying it would be just an engine change but they sounded like utter commonpingpings trash. so why i was listening to them is beyond me.

As much as I do love my Subaru it seems trying to push it for power would be an utter waste of cash and time. No love if it ain't got gate right?

I was thinking perhaps a cold air induction and re-flash the ecu but i think i might just go and get something with the power.. On that note...anyone wanna buy a subaru? =p

[D3V1L]

ballistic is pretty on the ball with costs involved.

ive just done a basically identicle swap of sti gear into my brumnby, and i did all the work myself, and its still FAR from goin proper.y and the tally is way over 10g atm.... prolly still 4g to go before its done. and ive only got the 2pot brakes and cheap wheels and stuff.

buy something turbo to start with is my advied, unless your doing it to a car thats not got a bigger sporty/turbo brother...

[Joe]

Doing cold air and reflash on an NA Impreza might net you 5-10HP.. waste of money dude, seriously.

[tehobbit]

Noted. cheers for the info yall'

[evo5aurus]

No need to flame you, I'll just chop you instead.

noone can deny that the evo's out handle and perform wrx's


Enjoy your boring car ownership champ,I'll keep enjoying the ground up builds on cars that weren't "right" for it.


my evo is far from boring, i do all the work and modifications on it myself and have learnt a shitload about these cars

i was just saying why bother chucking a turbo on an impreza when you can buy a wrx which is a far better platform to build into something

i would be all for turbo charging say a 350z but when you do it to imprezas and commodores it seems stupid to me

[locote]

noone can deny that the evo's out handle and perform wrx's

OHH SNAP!!!!


i would be all for turbo charging say a 350z but when you do it to imprezas and commodores it seems stupid to me



Honda CRX would fall in that category too....
Ill give you a run while its N/A aww wait its not reliable enough.... BUMMER

[SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUS]

B) buy a house!

[tehobbit]

=) i do have quite a liking for the evo's but people are asking way to much for them. Diffrence between aus spec and JDM?

[AGIT8D]

Stick with N/A! :D

[Joe]

noone can deny that the evo's out handle and perform wrx's

I'm not talking about Evo's in general, I'm saying you're gonna get chopped.

[evo5aurus]

ALRIGHT ^

@ tehobbit aus spec evos lose a few features, no rear wiper, no foldable mirrors, larger seats etc but generally have full service history

if your looking at any evo before a 9 its almost certainly a JDM only 98 TME's and a few 8's were sold by mmal before the 9 was released

theres some real cheap evo's out there right now if you look, low 20's for a 7 is a bargain

probably wont find a 5 cheap in perth (theres only a handful about) but these can be had over east for under 20k, can also get a 6 locally for about 20k

[tehobbit]

hmmm yea is there a real diffrence between the 7 - 9?

[evo5aurus]

mostly tweaks and revisions but the biggest is the 9 gets MIVEC and a larger turbo

8 gets S-AYC (7 only has AYC)

aesthetic changes throughout all models etc

if you really wanna know what changes read this:
http://www.lancerregister.com/art_evobuyersguide.php

[R3N]

don't turbo cars that you can already get a turbo version of... turbo/super ones that don't

[Anaru]

strapping a turbo on a N/A cant really be relied on, youll have to factor in something going wrong/breaking


God that is a retarded statement. Turbo-charging any N/A is fine so long as you do it right.

[evo5aurus]

God that is a retarded statement. Turbo-charging any N/A is fine so long as you do it right.



yeah like forging the engine and upgrading the drive line to handle increased torque (in which case youve factored in something going wrong/breaking....)

if you learnt to read in school it clearly says "strapping" meaning just chucking a turbo on and not bothering to upgrade the internals/head/driveline/brakes/etc



doing it properly is almost never worth the cost vs just buying a turbo car

[locote]

Your digging your self even deeper with every post lol...

[Mad_Aussie]

if you learnt to read in school it clearly says "strapping" meaning just chucking a turbo on and not bothering to upgrade the internals/head/driveline/brakes/etc


Aaah, me English. Schooling someone on the clarity of colloquialisms without using correct punctuation or grammer means time on the naughty mat.

By the way, you can "strap" a turbo to the side of a 20 year old rb30e, and as long as its tuned and not thrashed it should go for a fair while. Done right doesn't neccessarily mean done all out.

[evo5aurus]

Aaah, me English. Schooling someone on the clarity of colloquialisms without using correct punctuation or grammer means time on the naughty mat.



its grammar... should probably get that right before complaining about my english. but you probably knew that and are just baiting.

at the end of the day its the internet not a fuckin essay, ive been to uni and done that - the day i bother to correctly punctuate shit i write on a forum women will run around the streets topless and give free blowjobs

[Mad_Aussie]

Well the communication medium on an (i.e. this) forum is written english, you could at least do it properly. And considering this browser likes to correct me on the fly without telling me, Americanisms often pop up.
But at the end of the day if you plan to rubbish people expect to cop rubbish back.

[evo5aurus]

ah grammer is spelt grammar everywhere you are - nice try sunshine


i simply gave my opinion. which is exactly what the OP asked for, not sure what you contributed to the thread unless the OP has an impreza with an rb30e

mods should probably lock this gone way o/t

[c.rusli]

Sell the impreza. its a wrong platform to mod in first place.
dont bother throwing your coin into it.

[Lump]

Howdy.

Been feeling the need to get some real power in between my steering column
not sure if english is your first language but i lol'd at this anyway

[MrSparkle]

In this case i would be selling the car and getting a turbo replacement. Its just not worth the effort all that time and money and at the end you have a wrx??

Just go buy one dude.

[tehobbit]

Yea advice well taken..Now begins the task of trying to sell it...woot to that!

[AGIT8D]

Just put an LSx in it

[tehobbit]

yea AWD LS1? =D

[AGIT8D]

It's been done before (in an avalanche)

[mitchy]

and they are useless. :p
my stock legnum dusted one with ease

[Mad_Aussie]

Been done plenty of times to different platforms

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not sure what you contributed to the thread unless the OP has an impreza with an rb30e


Sigh, go back and look for that 'point' thing, because you've clearly missed it.

[AGIT8D]

and they are useless. :p
my stock legnum dusted one with ease

There's one on the LS1 forums with 460awkw that might shake you up a bit haha

[Fukushima]

its grammar...

It's

[Joe]

It's

You forgot the full stop at the end.

[AGIT8D]

You forgot the full stop at the end.

Ewe, * ??

[mitchy]

There's one on the LS1 forums with 460awkw that might shake you up a bit haha

haha, yes that might have hosed me old magna wagon.

[SK]

sell the impreza and buy something already turbo

/thread

[WTF-86]

buy a na silvia and covert it to na+t thats one of the onley na+t conversions that makes any scence in my eyes, but thats onley because sr20de's are so cheap