Skaife wants to raise speed limits

[VRX]

I'm glad somebody with a voice has raised the issue,there's also a report on channel 7's sunday night showing his tour of Germany,but going by sunday nights shocking inability to stay neutral during any reports its fair to say the idea of raising the limit will be shot down.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mar...-1225878944536

[mr_mike]

i seen the ad for Sunday Night altho i dont expect much from the story there was a remark that Skaife made saying "we need to concentrate more on driver learning, people are taught how to pass the test not taught how to drive"

a rational comment i dont believe it!

[protecon]

Mark Skaife calls for speed limit to be lifted to 140kmh (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mark-skaife-calls-for-speed-limit-to-be-lifted-to-140kmh/story-e6frf7jo-1225878944536).

[Blueraven]

Mark Skaife calls for speed limit to be lifted to 140kmh (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mark-skaife-calls-for-speed-limit-to-be-lifted-to-140kmh/story-e6frf7jo-1225878944536).

i support this.


I dont see why we cant do it on our properly maintained freeways. But there are plenty of highways i wouldnt even try due to the condition of the roads...

[Drift_R32]

i support this.


I dont see why we cant do it on our properly maintained freeways. But there are plenty of highways i wouldnt even try due to the condition of the roads...

its not so much we cant do it..
its the people that cant even do 100kmph safely without freaking out that youd have to worry about.

[Scaf]

I think sticking to the left needs to be imbedded into peoples brains before we go raising the speed limit. But yes totally agree on lifting the limit, it will never happen though.

[Huy]

Good on him.

[Steppo_GT]

totally support a raise to at least 120 on the freeway and 130 on major country roads. But as other people have said, all the retards that freak out traveling at 100 will be the ones holding this back

[TJ]

Well done to him for having the balls to say what he thinks.

[magic1]

+1 for the raise in speed limits
+1 for the lowing of speed limits. (IE Peak Hr on freeway to help people merge)

+1 cars are safer

Caution is needed with the speed difference of Heavy vehicles Vs cars.

++++++++++++1 for more lanes on major roads to allows this

[dmwill]

A very small inconspicuous article about this in the Sunday Times (aka PerthNow paper edition) today.

Wonder why it was so?

[JBAE]

shame theres not more people like him with a little power behind what he says with balls...

[mr_mike]

+1 for the raise in speed limits
+1 for the lowing of speed limits. (IE Peak Hr on freeway to help people merge)

+1 cars are safer

Caution is needed with the speed difference of Heavy vehicles Vs cars.

++++++++++++1 for more lanes on major roads to allows this

time variable speed limits is a great idea i think, suprised the government hasnt gotten onto this, imagine the money maker it would be with ppl doing the non peak hour speed limit say 120kph like a half hour before on after the limit change over time. Bulk fines, bulk cash many many womens for the politicians.

On a serious note i do think its a good idea 100kph from say 5:30am-10pm rest of the time 120-130kph speed limit. Take emitchell fwy 4 lanes wide in parts cruising along at midnight very few cars around u dont even realise ur creeping up into hoon law speeds. And its what i believe to be very safe road conditions.

[schnoods]

I might be a prude and say it is fine where it is.


After living in the NT for 5 years with open speed limits on the major highways on the open sections, alot of people would struggle with the 140km hr. alot of the deaths up there occured from fatigue associated with driving faster, it takes alot more concentration at 140km/hr than at 100, then there are the associated risks on top. Blow out on a tyre, speed rating on tyres, some people still use retreads and pose a risk to others. I have blown a front passenger side tyre sidewall at 175 km/hr, i havent been more scared in a car before...

In all seriousness, 100 km/hr on the Kwinana and Mitchel freeway are fine, worse case scenario it is 10 o'clock at night, rain is coming down hard and a middle aged women is driving her front wheel drive hatch, changing lanes at 140 clicks and the risk isnt there? Cars pulling onto the freeway will take a fair bit longer to get up to 140 clicks, people will be hitting the anchors harder if they are boxed in on the left lane, then cars or worse, trucks etc are braking with much more momentum and it wouldnt end well.

I reckon 60 percent of cars on the road are capable of it, but the amount of drivers who are capable of driving at 140km/hr is much lower...

[Drift_R32]

100kmph is fine on the freeway IF people actually do 100kmph.. passing people in the right lane doing fukn 80kmph is a joke. and as said above.. people capable of doing 140kmph safely would be about 15% of the population.

[Passage GT]

yeah it would have to be a gradual thing, improve the new drivers driving skills and make them learn not only how to drive but how to drive in an emergency situation and how to drive at speed safely, unfortunately in this day where you just gotta know how to change gears, do a three point turn and paralell (sp) park and your allowed to drive, what amazes me even more is half the drivers you see these days can't even do 2 of those things!
it will never happen unfortunately
drivers here are just too retarded

[Passage GT]

maybe bring in another level of drivers licence, like with bikes etc, if you've passed the advanced drivers test and are driving a vehicle deemed capable of travelling at these speeds safely, all good

[Jiblet]

remove asians and old people... walah... problem solvered.

the freeway in the perth district is probably not designed for 140km/h (tightness of the turns, general dips and sh1t) but i see no reason for the perth-mandurah leg to be 110...

i would like to see higher speeds but not likely gonna happen imo.

[jagerbomb]

yeah for passenger cars.. higher speeds on our current roads = no problem.

the problem is, when u raise a speed limit, ALL vehicles will then do that speed.

BIG, HEAVY, UNWIELDY VEHICLES DOING 140 IS RIDICULOUS.

is also changes the design of a road dramatically. THEY DONT DESIGN ROADS FOR CARS, they actually design roads based on the number of heavy vehicles that are expected to use that road. as such, an increase in design traffic speed will increase the damage caused by heavy vehicles and consequently will decrease the design life of the road substantially and cost millions more $$ in maintenance every year.

[gav_wah]

+1 for the lowing of speed limits. (IE Peak Hr on freeway to help people merge)

this shit spun me out when in melbourne last month the limit is reduced so things move smoothly no stopping like the assclowns here.

this idea is strongly approved IMO.

[mehow2g]

Left lane 100 right lane 140.

Works wonders in europe.

Chez of Portland Posted at 3:52 PM Today
Mark Scaiffe the hoons are going to love you. The wanna be hoons will love you more. i dont agree with this increase at all. We are sending a message at the moment that Speed Kills.... Mark what will the speed banner read now?? what a stupid idea..

That is the ignorance Australia has that is just disgusting.

[pgc]

it takes alot more concentration at 140km/hr than at 100, then there are the associated risks on top. Blow out on a tyre, speed rating on tyres, some people still use retreads and pose a risk to others. I have blown a front passenger side tyre sidewall at 175 km/hr, i havent been more scared in a car before...


You are joking right? I spent hours on end at between 140 and 270km/h in Germany and I was more awake than ever. You fall asleep at 100-110km/h.

I also had a bolt go through my tyre at 220km/h in a Ford Mondeo (front right tyre) and at that speed it was no issue. Centrifugal force kept the tyre together.

Why did your tyre blow out? If you're looking after your car, it won't happen. If the government is looking after our roads, it also won't happen.

[mehow2g]

Money Revenue is the reason why it wont ever be put in place.

Unless they could make cash out of licences and driving tests which could work since there are soo many fucking shit drivers on the road.

[esky]

Unless they teach the people of perth to keep left, higher speed limits won't work.

[Steppo_GT]

trucks are not meant to go over 100 anyway.

[pgc]

The other thing that gets me is pursuit drivers - who gives them the authority to be able to drive at any speed when they are require to catch someone? What is it about their training that makes them better drivers than us?

Okay, so they are police trained and tested, and once they have a seal of approval they can whack on a flashing light and do 200km/h without incident.

So why is it they get better driver training than the rest of the population? To make sure they're safe when they're doing it. So if the government wants to save lives, then surely the answer is educate drivers to the same level and we won't kill ourselves!

After all, road safety is all about saving lives, isn't it? Surely it's not revenue raising?

If a police pursuit driver monkey can be trained, then surely we can all be trained, too. Otherwise it's blatantly obvious that the government is dumbing us down and withholding the required skills for us to drive and stay alive!

[Ryan1080]

I might be a prude and say it is fine where it is.


After living in the NT for 5 years with open speed limits on the major highways on the open sections, alot of people would struggle with the 140km hr. alot of the deaths up there occured from fatigue associated with driving faster, it takes alot more concentration at 140km/hr than at 100, then there are the associated risks on top. Blow out on a tyre, speed rating on tyres, some people still use retreads and pose a risk to others. I have blown a front passenger side tyre sidewall at 175 km/hr, i havent been more scared in a car before...


huh? Last time I checked, when NT had no speed limits it had the lowest deaths on their roads for years, both overall and proportioned to population. :slap:

[mehow2g]

The other thing that gets me is pursuit drivers - who gives them the authority to be able to drive at any speed when they are require to catch someone? What is it about their training that makes them better drivers than us?

Okay, so they are police trained and tested, and once they have a seal of approval they can whack on a flashing light and do 200km/h without incident.

So why is it they get better driver training than the rest of the population? To make sure they're safe when they're doing it. So if the government wants to save lives, then surely the answer is educate drivers to the same level and we won't kill ourselves!

After all, road safety is all about saving lives, isn't it? Surely it's not revenue raising?

If a police pursuit driver monkey can be trained, then surely we can all be trained, too. Otherwise it's blatantly obvious that the government is dumbing us down and withholding the required skills for us to drive and stay alive!


Government doesnt care about people dying they can just promote speed kills when more people die the whole public get onboard and speedlimts get reduced to something stupid meaning more people will speed over 5km and bang they will get fined.

I agree with everything else you said.

[jaybee]

there was a remark that Skaife made saying "we need to concentrate more on driver learning, people are taught how to pass the test not taught how to drive"


this is 100% true and the biggest problem of all. that needs to be addressed first and foremost.

[reNEGade]

Which story is it? The original link doesn't work

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/v8-supercar-driver-mark-skaife-calls-for-speed-limit-on-victorian-freeways-to-be-lifted-to-140kmh/story-e6freon6-1225879007580

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mark-skaife-calls-for-speed-limit-to-be-lifted-to-140kmh/story-e6frf7jo-1225878944536

[Stealthed]

Just watched this on 7,

Agree 100%

[V8ENZ]

Was good, he missed the fact that there is 10x as many trucks on the roads in Europe and it still works fine. Over here there would be fatalities on the freeway everyday with simlar number of trucks driving.

[schnoods]

You are joking right? I spent hours on end at between 140 and 270km/h in Germany and I was more awake than ever. You fall asleep at 100-110km/h.

I also had a bolt go through my tyre at 220km/h in a Ford Mondeo (front right tyre) and at that speed it was no issue. Centrifugal force kept the tyre together.

Why did your tyre blow out? If you're looking after your car, it won't happen. If the government is looking after our roads, it also won't happen.

Nope not joking.

All honesty i wasnt driving a short stint like on an autobahn, i was driving about 1100km south, so it wasnt a blat on the freeway, fatigue is always going to be a factor, the roads arent dead straight, nor are they in good condition compared to a 4 lane wide autobahn. There are alot of trees in some sections that line close to the road as well which is a helluva lot different to comparing it to a look out the window at a wide open space ahead to objects close(r) to the road flying at you at 40% faster than normal. Honestly i found the first 1-2 hours fine, but after that it was starting to feel the strain, after stopping after 4-5hrs and looking at a stationary object it looked like it was still moving towards me.

My blowout was a sidewall that occured from a slightly odd shaped bit of a branch, in a area that was shaded due to trees close to the road. I have had a small puncture at 170ish km's an hour too and that wasnt to bad, like you said it held shape until i slowed down to pull over.

Having been on the Autobahn quite a few years ago I agree with you entirely, but we dont have anything that reall comes close and there isnt really a "fast" lane anyways, since it is all speed restricted over here. Plus the standard of cars there are 2nd to none when compared to australia in terms of the average car, age, handling, braking, etc...

[Ryan1080]

Nope not joking.

All honesty i wasnt driving a short stint like on an autobahn, i was driving about 1100km south, so it wasnt a blat on the freeway, fatigue is always going to be a factor, the roads arent dead straight, nor are they in good condition compared to a 4 lane wide autobahn. There are alot of trees in some sections that line close to the road as well which is a helluva lot different to comparing it to a look out the window at a wide open space ahead to objects close(r) to the road flying at you at 40% faster than normal. Honestly i found the first 1-2 hours fine, but after that it was starting to feel the strain, after stopping after 4-5hrs and looking at a stationary object it looked like it was still moving towards me.

My blowout was a sidewall that occured from a slightly odd shaped bit of a branch, in a area that was shaded due to trees close to the road. I have had a small puncture at 170ish km's an hour too and that wasnt to bad, like you said it held shape until i slowed down to pull over.

Having been on the Autobahn quite a few years ago I agree with you entirely, but we dont have anything that reall comes close and there isnt really a "fast" lane anyways, since it is all speed restricted over here. Plus the standard of cars there are 2nd to none when compared to australia in terms of the average car, age, handling, braking, etc...

Let's say 99.99999% of people travelling at any time on the highways won't be going 1100 kms straight, so that's taking it to the extreme. But this will benefit the majority who do a fraction of that per day. 1100 kms of driving straight, of course you'll be fatigued! Probably had nothing to do with high speed, more time spent behind the wheel.

Having done some autobahn driving myself, including all day driving at 130-140 and more, I must say I felt better afterwards than doing 100 kays over here. Firstly, you'll cover the distance quicker, so less fatigue at the end of the day, plus you concentrate more. I didn't doze off at all.

Trucks can go slower. On something like the freeway to bunbury, they shoduln't be in the inner lane anyway, stay left. Faster cars move on the right. You pass trucks at 40 kays faster or more on the autobahn, nothing happens, surely nothing will happen if you do that over here.

And if you can't handle 130, slow down to 100 and keep left like trucks should, no one is forcing you to go faster.

[DCEVO]

Advanced driver training for the upcoming drivers on our roads is a MUST
Every day ALL of us as AL members see drivers doing the wrong thing!!
I for one have not gone a week on the roads without seeing someone do something that doesnt represent (Bad driving) Let alone speed related accidents or worse
This country has a lot of people in cars (Just) getting by when it comes to driving skills
Why do we have to hear the same old stories year after year??
Young person dies in car crash (Speed Related) maybe tack on Alcohol as well
Yeh sure we have all been subject to road related retards in some shape or form
But in all seriousness FFS it must change
Why when other countries set a good example (Driving Education) do we just look for the negatives in comparison to Australia
Make the difference make the change (I hope someday soon this or some form of driver education takes place and is mandatory for all learner drivers)
As for rasing the speed limits well lets teach others how to drive that fast and SAFELY first

My two cents

[mehow2g]

Lol yesterday I was pretty quick around this round about and my guess the car infront of me was watching me gain on him/her then the car mounts the curb the whole car is on the footpath almost hitting those park stumps... If I was a jouno hyping it up I could of said "almost took out an entire family".

But yeah I see this bad driving everyday.

[ben351]

was a pretty interesting report ... actually one of the better ones i had seen and im surprised it was allowed to air lol

i think the only reason it works in Europe is because its always been that way ... its part of their culture ... you try an intorduce that to Australia and your going to have twice as many deaths in the first year because basically Australians are retards, first thing we will do is go jump in the cars and try to see how fast it goes down Reid highway and put the pingpingpingping into a ditch cos your eyes are on the speedo

i agree with the grants they did for newer cars ... too many pieces of shit on the road

first thing they need to do with driver training ... is make sure all these boat people that come here know how to fucking drive and make it compulsary for taxi drivers to take refresher courses every 6 months ... they are the WORST people on the road.

[Mad_Aussie]

they are the WORST people on the road.

No shit. Old people, asian ladies and ditsy P plater chicks are godsends as compared to raghead cabbies.. I've feared for my life several times in the car with them, and (unrelated) my girlfriend once got chased by one and crash tackled down an embankment by the driver.. all because the guy thought Clares mate threw up in the back (which she hadnt) and then demanded $400 from them to 'clean it'. So they did what any self respecting person would do.. they bailed. And he very nearly killed them for it. Of course, pissed as farts the girls didnt get his name/id, and the police couldn't do anything because the driver never came forward. Dodgy shit.

But back on topic, I agree, taxi drivers should be made to do advanced driving courses and lose their license if they fail. Should be the same standards as bus drivers.

[Halle Terry]

My dad said that the drivers test in India involves literally driving up a curved road and stopping.

Then that can be carried over to here as a full blown C-class license. Scary shit.

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[Mad_Aussie]

My dad said that the drivers test in India involves literally driving up a curved road and stopping.

Then that can be carried over to here as a full blown C-class license. Scary shit.

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No way, is your dad Jeremy Clarkson?

[Dagon]

After all, road safety is all about saving lives, isn't it? Surely it's not revenue raising? [...] Otherwise it's blatantly obvious that the government is dumbing us down and withholding the required skills for us to drive and stay alive!

That's it. That's sums it all up, really =(

[Ryan1080]

My dad said that the drivers test in India involves literally driving up a curved road and stopping.

Then that can be carried over to here as a full blown C-class license. Scary shit.

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Is that for real?? Surely our govt must knowtheir standard of driving tests, and not accept their licenses for transfer...

[Mad_Aussie]

Is that for real?? Surely our govt must knowtheir standard of driving tests, and not accept their licenses for transfer...

Yeh it is, and no they just ignore it. AFAIK in Egypt you just have to park between a pair of cones, and you pass your test. When your religion tells you that any day is a good day to die, and if you've been a good little boy or girl you'll reincarnate overnight in time for work the next day, national safety standards diminish somewhat.

[blaize]

The other thing that gets me is pursuit drivers - who gives them the authority to be able to drive at any speed when they are require to catch someone? What is it about their training that makes them better drivers than us?

Okay, so they are police trained and tested, and once they have a seal of approval they can whack on a flashing light and do 200km/h without incident.

So why is it they get better driver training than the rest of the population? To make sure they're safe when they're doing it. So if the government wants to save lives, then surely the answer is educate drivers to the same level and we won't kill ourselves!

After all, road safety is all about saving lives, isn't it? Surely it's not revenue raising?

If a police pursuit driver monkey can be trained, then surely we can all be trained, too. Otherwise it's blatantly obvious that the government is dumbing us down and withholding the required skills for us to drive and stay alive!

You are 100% right mate. Its just a shame its taken a celebrity of sorts to bring this up. and even now nothing is probably still going to be done about it. They've bought all these speed cameras. If they teach everyone to drive properly now how will they get paid off?

[schnoods]

Let's say 99.99999% of people travelling at any time on the highways won't be going 1100 kms straight, so that's taking it to the extreme. But this will benefit the majority who do a fraction of that per day. 1100 kms of driving straight, of course you'll be fatigued! Probably had nothing to do with high speed, more time spent behind the wheel.

Having done some autobahn driving myself, including all day driving at 130-140 and more, I must say I felt better afterwards than doing 100 kays over here. Firstly, you'll cover the distance quicker, so less fatigue at the end of the day, plus you concentrate more. I didn't doze off at all.

Trucks can go slower. On something like the freeway to bunbury, they shoduln't be in the inner lane anyway, stay left. Faster cars move on the right. You pass trucks at 40 kays faster or more on the autobahn, nothing happens, surely nothing will happen if you do that over here.

And if you can't handle 130, slow down to 100 and keep left like trucks should, no one is forcing you to go faster.

yeah i realise not many are going to be driving 1100kmhr straight, but there are alot of people who do drive for a living whether it be taxi drivers, couriers, truckies etc. I did start to feel fatigued after 2-3 hrs, just the eyes mainly from focussing..

Honestly im all for hiking the speed limits up, though I think we aren't ready for it, I say we I mean the majority of the population. We dont have many roads that are continuous 3 or 4 lanes in either direction other than sections of the freeway. Maybe if the made a third lane (similar to a bus lane) where it is 130kmhr it might work. I really dont see it working in this country though roads and infrastructure as well as driving standards dont allow for it, maybe when cars with drum brakes and leaf springs are off the road it might...


huh? Last time I checked, when NT had no speed limits it had the lowest deaths on their roads for years, both overall and proportioned to population.

2010
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/features/queensland-road-toll-linked-to-states-prosperity/story-e6freoz6-1225815758017

34.1 deaths Per 100,000 residents average which is pretty fkn shocking

2004
http://www.nt.gov.au/transport/safety/road/strategy/documents/strategy_2004-2010.pdf

53 deaths in total for a population with a smidge over 200,000 which is pretty shithouse as well. but it was lower.

if you've ever seen an NT driver, or even the average NT person, you would be game to let them near a car...

[carlos spicy wener]

schnoods - driver fatigue is a seperate issue.

i would love to shake skaifeys hand, cos he has said excatly what alot of us have been thinking for some time, that driver safety, and lowering the death toll lies in training drivers properly from the beginning.

its a bit frustrating when ive been trying to tell family/friends all of this for years, instantly its dismissed because im a Hoon, but as soon as skaife essentially says the same shit, then suddenly its a good idea.

[protecon]

"Autobahn speeds 'not possible' in Australia (http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/autobahn-speed-limits-not-possible-in-australia-20100614-y9y4.html)".


A leading road accident researcher has backed West Australian police's doubling the number of safety cameras to nab speeding drivers and said European-style road strategies are not feasible Australia.

The state government launched the second phase in its $30 million speed enforcement program on Sunday - adding 14 digital hand-held cameras that can store video and photos of vehicles speeding up to one kilometre away to their arsenal.

Motorcyclists will no longer be exempt when 23 dual-lens cameras are rolled out that can photograph the front and rear number plates.The program will also see an additional 30 integrated speed and red light cameras on the road.

Monash University Accident Research Centre's Professor Ian Johnston said speed cameras need to be viewed as part of a ''whole armoury'' of strategies used by governments.

''Australia has a very enlightened approach. The single most dramatic way of reducing the road toll is to moderate traffic speeds,'' Professor Johnston said.

"The problem here is we keep changing the speed limit far too often - no doubt about that. No driver should be pinged for speeding when the driver can legitimately say 'I didn't know what the speed limit was'.''

While he isn't opposed to high speed limits such as the 130km cap on Germany's autobahns, Prof Johnston said high speeds can only be allowed on high quality roads with guard rails and separated carriageways free of intersections.

"We just don't have the money to build roads like that. We have more kilometres of road per tax payer than most other countries,'' he said.

The Netherlands has the lowest fatal crash rate of the western motorised world, Prof Johnston said, but they have invested heavily in developing safe roads.

"You have to remember that Holland is the same size of Tasmania, it doesn't have mountains and it has a high population so there are many taxpayers,'' he said.

When he began studying road safety in the early 1970s 35,000 Australians were dying on the roads each year. In 2009 that figure had dropped to 1400 while the number of vehicles on the road has shot up. In the year to April 2010, 176 people have died on WA's roads.

But he said changing laws so that parents would not be able to teach their children to drive would just stop people from poorer families from learning to drive.

"It doesn't mean a hoon driver won't bring up a hoon child - they might, we don't know,'' he said.

"What I would say is send your child to an instructor right at the beginning so they learn the basics then get out on the road and do as much driving as possible in all conditions."

He said advanced driver training courses are too new to gauge their effectiveness.

"The research on that shows that the jury is still out,'' he said.

"Some of the early forms of training unfortunately were teaching people how to get out of skids, which made people over confident so they tended to speed more. It should be about getting people help in learning how to recognise situations on the road.''

Currently WA learner drivers must do at least 25 hours of supervised driving and can only go for their provisional license six months after they obtain their learner license.

Provisional drivers are barred from being on the road between midnight and 5am during the first six months of solo driving.

Blah blah blah hoonie hoon hoon.

Same old shit - too lazy to spend decent money on infrastructure like better roads but quite happy to keep on with the bandaid tactics of speed cameras.

[JME]

Monash University ..... nuff said really.

[Jiblet]

maybe they should use all the money they get FROM THE SPEED CAMERAS to fund better roads... oh wait that's too logical...

all i got from the abstract was
-lots of people are dying from a number of different reasons (no specifics stated)
-too lazy to built proper roads
-making people look at their speedo every 2 seconds and not concentrate on their surroundings is going to cut the road toll
-hoons raise hoon children (and possibly pets, we don't know)

[Ryan1080]

He said advanced driver training courses are too new to gauge their effectiveness.

"The research on that shows that the jury is still out,'' he said.

"Some of the early forms of training unfortunately were teaching people how to get out of skids, which made people over confident so they tended to speed more. It should be about getting people help in learning how to recognise situations on the road.''


Wait... what?

Is he for real? So in other words, let's get crappy driver parents to teach our kids how to drive, rather than put them through a professional driver training course. Their logic does not compute...

I wanna see his reasearch that show proper driver training is not beneficial to a person. With that kind of logic, let's not have any training at all, and just give out licenses to people with no skills, like they do in India...

There seems to be a lot of imbeciles down at Monash uni...

[V70R]

Going back to Europe for another road trip from Brussels to Monte Carlo next week.

Motorways 130km/h
Drivers keep out of the fast lane - enforced rule.
No shitters on the roads
No trucks in the fast lane - another enforced rule.
People know how to merge

Can't wait !

[V70R]

On a different note, The missus & I drove to York on the weekend and used the Great Eastern Highway. Next to us was a mad lunatic semi truck doing 15-20km/h over the speed limit weaving in and out of both lanes fish tailing and scaring the crap out of us and those near us. With the speed limit of 60 in most parts why this lunatic has to drive so recklessly is beyond me.

[dmwill]

Round 2 coming up in a few minutes on Ch7.

Just saw a brief intro...

[Nic_A31]

There was a follow up on the idiot box just then, caught a couple of minutes of it.
Skaife vs. Some dickhead representing the local councils, was against almost every single point Skaife had....stupid cockhead representing baby boomers and paranoid soccer mums.

Will also note that Skaife made this moron (didnt catch his name) look like a complete idiot, he took seconds (like...3+ seconds of stuttering) to come up with an empty comeback which answered nothing whenever a point was rasied.

[2jzlux]

There was a follow up on the idiot box just then, caught a couple of minutes of it.
Skaife vs. Some dickhead representing the local councils,

Will also note that Skaife made this moron (didnt catch his name) look like a complete idiot, he took seconds (like...3+ seconds of stuttering) to come up with an empty comeback which answered nothing whenever a point was rasied.

The some dickhead was actually Wayne Gardener who used to drive v8s and was a world motocycle GP winner.
He still looked like a cock though.
Mark Skaife for PM.

[Brockas]

Skaife is a legend.

Agree with everything he said.

[mehow2g]

Having a drive on the freeway at around 1pm fair bit of traffic for some reason i was racing past everyone checked my speedo was going 100.

On marmion I traveled 3km's after stopping at a pair of lights failed to hit 80 due to people clogging up right lane.

/csb /cry

[Stealthed]

I missed the follow up, is there anywere I can find it?

[Nic_A31]

The some dickhead was actually Wayne Gardener who used to drive v8s and was a world motocycle GP winner.
He still looked like a cock though.
Mark Skaife for PM.

I've got too many Jap cars to have time to follow that V8 motorcycle Aussie racing shit.
Agreed point is that he looked like a twat with all the things he was trying to say.