{H1GHROLLR} daily vn v6 got turbocharged mang??? *TURBO INSTALL IN PROGRESS

[H1GHROLLR]

Model:VN EXEC

Year:1991

Colour:WHITE WITH DARK GREY BUMPERS

Bodykit:NONE

Engine Type:BUICK 3.8 V6

Engine Mods:MODIFIED BELLMOUTH,CAI,GREENFOAM TUNE

Power:164rwhp

Exhaust:PACEMAKER TUNED,STOCK CAT,2 1/4 SYSTEM

Gearbox:TURBO 700 WITH TRANSCOOLER

Diff:3.45 MINISPOOL

Brakes:STOCK

Suspension:SL

Wheels/Tyres:POLICE SPEC PURSUIT

Interior:STOCK

Other Mods:NONE

Stereo:PIONEER CD PLAYER

Build Period:3 DAYS

Cost:NOT COUNTING

More info:I BROUGHT THE CAR COMPLETELY GRAMPA SPEC STOCK AS A ROCK

Future Mods:UNSURE YET

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SOME TO SHOW THE CONDITION OF PAINT

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*DIFF TODAY BRAND NEW 3.45 RATIO MINISPOOL

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*PICS FROM DIFF INSTALL TODAY :)

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DOUBLE SWAY BAR
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NEW BUSHES
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*BELOW IS A PIC OF THE SOURCE OF THE MANG
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sorry about shit pics, its too dark out side i will get better ones tomorrow , this is half the kit , just the manifolds and cooler set up , all needs a good polish etc i will get onto it tommorow

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[evil1]

thats clean as fuck

[31-EVO]

Very clean VN, mods look to be interesting.

[ED40]

sick! Love it.
Is that a snort kit?

[H1GHROLLR]

cheers for comments guys yeh its pretty tidy for an oldie , i was a bit worried about posting a thread up here on it , lol i thought i might get flamed :p

[Lmx]

You would of been flamed if there were no progress pics and nothing but "future mods", but we all know you put many hours into your cars and will no doubt make a sick mang machine

[H1GHROLLR]

You would of been flamed if there were no progress pics and nothing but "future mods", but we all know you put many hours into your cars and will no doubt make a sick mang machine

cheers dude , lol im running outta time laterly to do stuff i have to wait till weekends and there getting shorter lol

[Torquen]

Not bad at all :)

[H1GHROLLR]

also guys how do i change the name of the thread ,:mad: farkin thing wont let me

[AGIT8D]

Yeah thread title sucks the fat one Mark! Might have to pop round and see this old duck fire up and do a skid!!

P.S. Stop buying cars fucker

[H1GHROLLR]

lol dan hahaha i never buy cars :p . . . MUCH , yeah bro pop around when its ready to fire

[Mad_Aussie]

were you at the Cannington Maccas last night doing "totally safe and legal activities"? Because a very loud spooled one of these sure was.

[H1GHROLLR]

hhmmm nah wasnt me :p

[stumps.]

savage double sway bar mod? I just installed a whiteline HD one in the rear of my car and it feels alot flatter coming out of corners.

[H1GHROLLR]

lol yeah man a SAVAGE special :p i am amazed at the difference it has made to my car, an you dont get that nasty snap back

[stumps.]

i thought this was orignally going to be your daily so you could save money for your other cars. LOL

[H1GHROLLR]

i thought this was orignally going to be your daily so you could save money for your other cars. LOL

man i do it to every singe car ay , im a fuck head i just cant leave them alone i have to turn a good car into shit :(

[stumps.]

Are you planning to relocate the igntion coils once you put the turbo in? They tend to melt on their own let alone with a turbo next to them.

[H1GHROLLR]

lol hahaha yeah man im gona move then , just gona wait till its in to see where stuff mounts up

[evil.e30]

looks awesome, deff keep the outside lawnbowls spec :)

[XF Falcon]

Will the external wastegate be able to control the boost properly with it only really coming off one bank of extractors and not the other side at all?

[H1GHROLLR]

hhhmmm i dunno proberly not lol

[mys1]

Should be close enough to the join to dump enough pressure

[H1GHROLLR]

i had a look at the manifolds and the part where the 2 pipes merge does not have a center, if it makes sense the gas's from each bank flow into each other and up to the flange also

[magic1]

Will the external wastegate be able to control the boost properly with it only really coming off one bank of extractors and not the other side at all?

gas pressure works evenly in all directions, on this theory you shouldnt have a problem with the location of the waste gate.

[H1GHROLLR]

sweet , sorry if some stuff i say on here dont make much sense i have played with N/A for 7 years now and im very very green on FI/BOOST

[H1GHROLLR]

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[H1GHROLLR]

polished all the piping today and fitted it up to the black cooler

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[evo5aurus]

nice project should be interesting to see the results

just curious will the paint (or whatever you used) on the cooler insulate it and reduce cooling efficiency?

and how will a 20 year old engine not built for a turbo hold up?

[scj91]

they boost buick engines in the us.

[H1GHROLLR]

nice project should be interesting to see the results

just curious will the paint (or whatever you used) on the cooler insulate it and reduce cooling efficiency?

and how will a 20 year old engine not built for a turbo hold up?

lol im thinking it wont hold up too well :p to build a new motor with forgies and good bearings etc wont be any more then 3k so i reackon shove boost through this until it spits it then run a built motor

[H1GHROLLR]

got bored and went outside for half hour

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[lazy6]

should of done this to my vp but i sold it , awesome project be interesting to see how this goes!

[H1GHROLLR]

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[sam5709]

hell yer, looks awesome with the cooler, nice fitment too :D

[H1GHROLLR]

cheers man , any one know where i can buy 3" straight silicon joiners in BLACK ???

[mitchy]

http://justjap.com/store/product.php?productid=18015&cat=372&page=2

[H1GHROLLR]

cheers mitchy . . .legend !!

[mitchy]

no worries.. i've been after some myself, blue and red looks shite!

they also do a 3" 1 metre length for $99 if you want to replace all of them.
http://justjap.com/store/product.php?productid=18265&cat=372&page=1

[H1GHROLLR]

yeah i HATE blue and red its poxey as

[savage1987]

Mark, bombed VN. Will be quick when done. Surprise a few pingpingpingpings at the lights for sure. Gona be faster than mine :( I bet it will


should of done this to my vp but i sold it
No offense man but your VP =/= mark's VN. Nowhere even close. From the pics I saw, yours needed like 4k worth of work to even look like a tidy VP, and even when that's done it's my belief that once a car is fucked out in the body, it stays that way no matter how good it gets painted.

[H1GHROLLR]

sam this boosted buick bunky pingpingpingping wont get any where near yours , UNLESS i adjuste all the stops on your rip shifter so you miss like 4 gears :p

[savage1987]

Well regardless of whose is fastest I reckon they're both gona be FUCKING FUN to drive, and we will spin pingpingpingpings out in twin VNs lol.

[got boost]

good effort should piss. are those turbo headers from the states or local made?.. im still thinkin bout buying a Buick grand national from the states i dont think ill be happy till ive got a 1987 GN v6 turbo parked in my garagae

[family guy]

:) I want to see pics of the final install with the snail hanging off the buick:)

[H1GHROLLR]

*UPDATE bumper looked poo so i ripped it off and moved the cooler back, the went ahead with cutting up bumper #2 let me know what you think ?

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[savage1987]

heaps better. can hardly even tell it's there :)

[mitchy]

much better, coolers hanging out are gay.

[Joe]

What brand of manifolds are those?

Seems that some manifolds for turbo Buick 3.8 conversions have the turbo sitting sideways at the front like that, and others have the turbo in the corner of the engine bay on an angle.

This setup seems a lot neater with less piping!

[mitchy]

are there any brackets that support the turbo off the engine?
i've always wondered how these manifolds go having a turbo hanging so far away from the mounting point.

[H1GHROLLR]

hey guys cheers for comments

BALISTC: to be ohnest dude im not sure what brand they are im pretty sure a guy over east realised a few kits that he built

MITCHY: nah there are no brackets, its something i was thinking about too although the dump pipe may add a little more support ?, any how its pretty easy to add in a support from near the waste gat to rad support i would think

[savage1987]

are there any brackets that support the turbo off the engine?
i've always wondered how these manifolds go having a turbo hanging so far away from the mounting point.

probably sag down slowly over time til it hits the drive belt, but plenty of limiter fun before then :D


any how its pretty easy to add in a support from near the waste gat to rad support i would think
piss easy but probably not a good idea :p since turbo will move as engine twists on mounts, rad support won't let it. You could hard mount your engine, and use the whole engine-turbo arrangement as a massive front end stiffener :p

[mitchy]

i think you'll find it will crack, as opposed to sagging.

best idea would be to brace it off the engine itself.

[H1GHROLLR]

dduurrrrrr i compleatly forgot about engine moving :p unless solid mounts FTW
i might make up something at work that braces from engine to just underneath turbo flange

[wormbo2]

Dude! this is going to be AWESOME!
i'll be keepin' an eye out for phat skids out of ya work in the near future!
keep up the good work man.

[H1GHROLLR]

picked up the rest of the kit today with nice fresh turbo pics up tommorrow

[H1GHROLLR]

*UPDATE

FITTED SLOTTED ROTORS AND VL TURBO CALIPERS

BOOST GAUGE FITTED
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AU TWIN THERMOS
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[H1GHROLLR]

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[H1GHROLLR]

BURNOUT!!!!!

[Stef]

real skid pics required.

[AGIT8D]

What's with the RUWETYET gif? Except.. Less smoke, and more fire required.

[H1GHROLLR]

lol someone sent me it , so i whacked it on the thread lol i found it quite ammusing

[AGIT8D]

I reckon this chop I did of your VX is better:

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[H1GHROLLR]

lol i did like that dan very very classy

[family guy]

boost gauge check, intercooler check, turbo exhaust manifolds check, fake burn out pics check. Where are the pictures of the final fit up and final films of said v6 screaming doing a burn out?????

[H1GHROLLR]

lol there not fake pics . . . . seriously though im ment to be bolting it all up not this weekend but next

[savage1987]

keen4drive

[Gladio]

Yeh cooler looks much better like this!

[H1GHROLLR]

*OIL FEED LINE AND FITTINGS AND 2 BAR MAP

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[H1GHROLLR]

fuel pump and tune should be here in the next few days also

[H1GHROLLR]

*UPDATE

slugged it out all day today on the vn here is what i done and what needs to be done

extractors removed
a/c removed
a/c lines removed
manifolds heat wrapped
manifolds fitted
t piece,oil sender,oil feed fitted
turbo drain installed into sump
2 bar map ftted
tune installed

THINGS TO BE DONE

bolt turbo onto manifolds
bolt dump pipe from turbo to exhaust
hook up intercooler piping
vac lines to BOV and wastegate
modify thermo fans
install 36lb injectors
install fuel pump
make new radiator hose

IF I WORK HARD THERE IS REASON I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IF SHE RUNS TOMORROW

[savage1987]

oi i heard this thing dose on the phone mark, sounded pretty homo

[H1GHROLLR]

lol hahahaha i need to stop the dose :( not sure how to adjust BOV correctly

[H1GHROLLR]

*UPDATE SHE NOW OFFICIALLY RUNS :p FEW TEETHING PROBLEMS WITH BOV BUT ALL SMALL THINGS NOW

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[H1GHROLLR]

*UPDATE IT NOW OFFICIALLY DRIVES although i have a problem :( the gate is not opening a 8 psi which it should .. . here is a video any way
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[d1_drifter]

Good to see it running mate!

Vac line to the gate not leaking or anything?

EDIT: Just read that you have a 14psi spring as opposed to the 8psi.

[H1GHROLLR]

*UPDATE i took it fo a drive but it still seems like there is something wrong with the gate ? here is a video below , gate opens but boost still climbs ?

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[H1GHROLLR]

also my gate opens at 8 psi which it should but if you flaten the pedal the boost still climbs ??? :(

[magic1]

wastegate not big enough

[31-EVO]

Boost leak or shitty controller.

[31-EVO]

wastegate not big enough

I didn't see if he posted how big he went, but it could be staying open too eh ?

[mitchy]

I didn't see if he posted how big he went, but it could be staying open too eh ?

wastegate staying SHUT will cause boost issues you fuck.

[beefcake]

as people have mentioned before its the shit single sided positioning, if you get it modded to take gas from both sides it can control boost better .
Someone said something about flow and being equal an shit, you'd think that reading it from a book, but in reality its not often correct and it fails a lot in turbo gate control , you need to be able to dump gas from all of your pipes not half of them .
Boost spiking will continue for as long as you use that setup you have.

also you have the vac/boost line going to the bottom of the gate port, and is it being taken from a manifold source and not from intercooler pipes ?
These are my theories so no offence to anyone or these may not be taken as gospel haha disclaimer

Also have you had the wategate apart to see if its got a split diaphragm ? , just undo the top of it and see what it looks like

edit, that gate is plenty big enough for a v6 taxi pac donk :)

[H1GHROLLR]

its definatly opening its a 38mm gate and only a t3/t4 turbo should be fine ?

boost leak hhmmm this would be to do with one of the silcon joiners etc yeah?

one of the joins is definatly a bit scetchy ?

sorry for stupid qustions as i said before im very green on boost

[beefcake]

no if you had a leak it would go down or stabilise, you dont have leek problems as it keeps going up an up

edit, its not a stupid question if you dont know, its only stupid if you should know but ask haha

[H1GHROLLR]

as people have mentioned before its the shit single sided positioning, if you get it modded to take gas from both sides it can control boost better .
Someone said something about flow and being equal an shit, you'd think that reading it from a book, but in reality its not often correct and it fails a lot in turbo gate control , you need to be able to dump gas from all of your pipes not half of them .
Boost spiking will continue for as long as you use that setup you have.

also you have the vac/boost line going to the bottom of the gate port, and is it being taken from a manifold source and not from intercooler pipes ?
These are my theories so no offence to anyone or these may not be taken as gospel haha disclaimer

Also have you had the wategate apart to see if its got a split diaphragm ? , just undo the top of it and see what it looks like

edit, that gate is plenty big enough for a v6 taxi pac donk :)

hey mate cheers for your help the vac to the gate is running off the manifold into the side port of the gate, as before it was into the bottom port and was not working at all, if i got for a smaller spring say 6 psi and use a controller which i am not running at present will this limit spike or will it just keep climbling and climbing ? will it even out at some psi or keep rising until my taxi donk and turbo remove them self from my engine bay through the bonnet ?

[beefcake]

it should even out somewhere but but the street is a shitty way to find out, needs to hit the dyno for safety sake .
Ive seen your setup before on different engines and they all have spike issues but you can tune around them.
You should be trying to find the brand of your gate and seeing what they recommend for gate boost control, most universally tell you to send the vac line to the bottom port on your gate, and if you send the signal to the top port it tries to gain the most boost the system can develop .
Running no boost controller is not a problem in your case as your not trying for big boost and heaps of power, running just gate spring pressure should work, its just something in your setup/combo is not right yet

[31-EVO]

wastegate staying SHUT will cause boost issues you fuck.

Yes, fucked that up lol

[mitchy]

:p

[beefcake]

smash ons not happening now ohh man haha

[H1GHROLLR]

it should even out somewhere but but the street is a shitty way to find out, needs to hit the dyno for safety sake .
Ive seen your setup before on different engines and they all have spike issues but you can tune around them.
You should be trying to find the brand of your gate and seeing what they recommend for gate boost control, most universally tell you to send the vac line to the bottom port on your gate, and if you send the signal to the top port it tries to gain the most boost the system can develop .
Running no boost controller is not a problem in your case as your not trying for big boost and heaps of power, running just gate spring pressure should work, its just something in your setup/combo is not right yet

ok just an idea what if i tee'd off the vac line a run vacs to both ports ? would this do anything ? or am i better of trying to just make it work with the bottom port ? it was hooked up like that yesturday and it wouldnt even open gate for some reason ?

[H1GHROLLR]

update*boost spike issues now sorted ,turns out i had a very dodgy spring in there, replaced with a genuine TIAL spring today and boost is staying settled and gate is open properly etc , i can now actually use 100% throttle compared to the 50% before, boost is set low at the moment till i get a controller, but the car feels pretty quick for a bog stock bunky an the boost comes on so quickly, just what i wanted for a daily driver have a few tiny issues to sort tomorrow but nothing crazy, on another note i installed my walbro gss341 today also , very easy job and no modifying needed . . .

[Mad_Aussie]

Nice work mate, from those videos before it looks like it pulls pretty well.

[H1GHROLLR]

Nice work mate, from those videos before it looks like it pulls pretty well.

yeah man at the end of the day it is what it is lol a VN, those videos were like 60% throttle, today i actually got to use 100% throttle an it pulls very very well for a stocker with a tiny turbo on im stoked with it, i was never chasing numbers or massive skids etc just a clean work car with a bit of kick in its bum :) cheers for your comment

[beefcake]

ahh all that drama over a dodgy spring haha , chasing diag problems isnt helped when parts have been modified roughly .
Good to see its all sorted for ya

[H1GHROLLR]

*MY LITTLE VN HAD AN OUTING WITH ITS LS1 POWERD BIG BROTHER TODAY :)

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[S133LTR]

yep thats awsome.

[31-EVO]

Haha uncanny.

[rat]

lol nice job man! love the twins!

more vids!

[savage1987]

Pics turned out well mark :)

gona hurt to leave my car tomorrow :( but at least it's in good hands

[shane]

Which ones quicker? Love them both, you cant beat nice discrete sleepers. :)

[carkyhe]

it didn’t look too bad

[shifted]

it didn’t look too bad

3 year thread bump.

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[SSICK]

is Mr Rollr still around?