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P100_Ute
02-05-2010, 06:32 AM
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/former-officer-claims-wa-cops-lie-brawl-take-sexual-favours/story-e6frg12c-1225860989722


OFFICERS allegedly competed over the number of arrests they could make and lied to protect each other in court, claims a whistleblower from within the ranks of WA Police.

The first-class constable, who quit the service last week after five years as an officer, is writing to Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan detailing her experiences and naming and shaming colleagues.

She has even accused former colleagues of deliberately starting brawls while on the beat and bragging about committing sex acts with women down side streets.

During her time at a Perth station in 2006 and '07, the 36-year-old said her fellow officers:

* Had a competition over the number of arrests they could make, with some police locking up more than 200 people a month.

*Arrested people for offences that were "totally unwarranted" to boost their arrest figures, often on false or exaggerated charges.

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* Lied to protect each other in court cases where victims claimed they had been assaulted by police.

* Joked and bragged how they took drunk young women down alleyways and side streets where they kissed, took photos and, on occasion, had sex.

* Patrolled the beat aggressively and started fights with a "let's punch on tonight" mentality.

The woman, who sought legal advice before going public with her claims, this year launched an Equal Opportunity Commission case against WA Police. But she denies it motivated her to make her allegations.

She says she petitioned senior officers and sought guidance about making an official complaint in 2007, but was told to "toughen up" and not make trouble because the team was "bringing in good stats".

The mother-of-two became so disillusioned with the job she had no choice but to quit.

The Sunday Times is legally barred from naming the police squad in question.

A spokesman for Mr O'Callaghan confirmed the case was before the Equal Opportunity Commission and urged the woman to report any evidence of police wrongdoing.

"There have been many issues concerning this officer and WA Police would welcome any inquiry by the Equal Opportunity Commission," the spokesman said.

"As for the other unsubstantiated claims the constable, like any member of the community, can lodge a complaint with the Police Complaints Administration Centre or the Crime and Corruption Commission. She would, of course, be required to produce some evidence to support her claims."

Detailing her allegations, the woman from Tapping, in Perth's northern suburbs, said: "The public would be mortified, absolutely mortified. Police are supposed to be there to protect and serve, but some of these officers were doing neither."

Her claims come at a time when WA police have never had greater powers, with mandatory sentencing in force for anyone convicted of assaulting an officer and stop and search powers to be introduced.

Making the most arrests became a competition among some officers, she said.

"It was all about who could write the most briefs," she said. "It was a competition for them. It was all about the stats. Sometimes they'd write up 200 briefs a month.

"They would charge people for stupid things. They'd hand a move-on notice to someone who was so drunk or drugged they didn't know what they were doing, and then arrest them for disobeying it.

"Or they'd arrest drunk people or foreign people for failing to provide their details when clearly they didn't know what was going on.

"They bragged about (their sexual exploits) all the time.

"I saw photos they'd taken of girls down alleyways.

"They lied in court all the time. All the time.

"It was a case of the boys sticking together and sticking up for each other, not about what was right and wrong."

The woman said she was bullied by her fellow officers as the only female in her team,.

In January, she launched action against WA Police in the Equal Opportunity Commission over a separate claim that her superiors ignored more than 20 requests for a transfer to a station closer to home, which would have made it easier for the single mother to raise her sons, aged 8 and 11.

The woman said she also wanted to put to the commission her claims about officers making unfair arrests, enjoying sexual favours and committing perjury in 2006 and '07.

But the commission cannot investigate alleged wrongdoings more than a year old.

Her lawyer, John Hammond, who is seeking $40,000 in compensation, said the woman's case was one of several before the courts in which WA Police were accused of treating female officers unfairly.

"There is a culture of some male police officers treating female police very poorly," Mr Hammond said.

Opposition police spokeswoman Margaret Quirk said police in WA had an "attitude problem" and she called on Commissioner O'Callaghan to consider integrity testing for officers.

Fozzy
02-05-2010, 06:41 AM
Sounds more like..

Female copper cant get her way in the Job and cracks the shits and has a hissy fit..

TJ
02-05-2010, 06:46 AM
/awaits foursevens reply :)

mr_mike
02-05-2010, 06:53 AM
i blame Underbelly series all these young impressionable police officers are watching this series and wanting to be just like the cops in the show, much like every single car enthusiast watched Fast and Furious series and wants to be Paul Walker or Vin Diesel. Or how every single kid that has ever played Grand Theft Auto is definetly gonna go commit crime.

Its just not there fault.

devilfish
02-05-2010, 07:19 AM
cop/pingpingpingping same same - why is any one surprised?

Aristoman
02-05-2010, 07:47 AM
Where do i signup for all of this ?

Macca
02-05-2010, 07:50 AM
Sounds more like..

Female copper cant get her way in the Job and cracks the shits and has a hissy fit..

bingo

Joe
02-05-2010, 07:56 AM
They'll find a way to blame hoons for it.

S133LTR
02-05-2010, 09:18 AM
Female copper cant get her way in the Job and cracks the shits and has a hissy fit..

Yeah cause cops that bend the rules just dont exist hey.

Alt_F4
02-05-2010, 09:47 AM
"There have been many issues concerning this officer and WA Police would welcome any inquiry by the Equal Opportunity Commission," the spokesman said.
Enough said.

Fukushima
02-05-2010, 09:57 AM
Guy I know got arrested for not providing his details when he was trying to report a woman being assualted.

Ended up in the lockup with a busted lip.

Remember that police bashing video? The one where the cop beat up a guy for being a smartass and then charged him with assualt?

Northbridge:Golden Mile, cops think they have a shitty beat and can get away with anything.

Cue Fourseven, stage left.

blownVL
02-05-2010, 09:58 AM
nothing will happen from this, they will just turn around and say hoon's made them do it, case closed.

fourseven
02-05-2010, 10:03 AM
Name and shame the squad. Find the muppets, lock them up. If she's dropped a lip and throwing around false accusations lock her up too.

Game over.

Bomber
02-05-2010, 10:45 AM
Could they give away any more details about the one making allegations? Obviously the guys from the unit will know because she was the only one in the unit without a penis, but for your average person I reckon even they could track her down with all this information. How the fuck is most of it even relevant to the case being brought before the Commission?


The first-class constable, who quit the service last week after five years as an officer

During her time at a Perth station in 2006 and '07, the 36-year-old

The woman this year launched an Equal Opportunity Commission case against WA Police.

The mother-of-two became so disillusioned with the job she had no choice but to quit.

The Sunday Times is legally barred from naming the police squad in question.

the woman from Tapping, in Perth's northern suburbs

The woman said she was bullied by her fellow officers as the only female in her team

In January, she launched action against WA Police in the Equal Opportunity Commission ...... the single mother to raise her sons, aged 8 and 11.

Her lawyer, John Hammond
These are just the bits that I think relate to just her or the Police unit.


Opposition police spokeswoman Margaret Quirk said police in WA had an "attitude problem" and she called on Commissioner O'Callaghan to consider integrity testing for officers.
Is that not already part of the selection process? Why the fuck is not already then? Shouldn't it be part of the physcological testing that goes on?

Fozzy
02-05-2010, 10:49 AM
Yeah cause cops that bend the rules just dont exist hey.

Not saying that at all..

What I am saying is.. It has never been easier for women in the force than it is these days..

There is plenty of flexible working options available to Female and Male officers. The agency also in the last few years have been pushing for female promotion to the higher ranks.

When a police officer accepts a position they take on a minimum tenure (usually about 2 years) to stay in that position. She would have been well aware of this when she applied for her position.

Im all for getting rid of corrupt coppers. However I also think people who try and use the Equal Opportunities card for their benefit just cos they didnt get what they wanted in the first place should be dealt with aswell.

I have seen the latter on several occasions.. Usually involving females funnily enough.

fourseven
02-05-2010, 10:53 AM
Margaret Quirk is a fucking idiot to start with. I think the attitude of most coppers is completely justified in comparison to the way they are dealt with by most members of the public. When you consider that most of the time normal law-abiding citizens don't have to deal with Police, it leaves a very specific group of people left over for which the Police are always involved with. And we wonder why sometimes they have an attitude?

It sounds to me like she's been passed over for a promotion, perhaps for lack of job ability or because senior staff don't like who she is for some reason. With a very thorough policy that encourages handing out promotions to females and giving them as much moving space as possible for political correctness within the service, for a woman to have a real issue within the WA Police means she's fucked up badly or isn't well liked at all.

I personally don't seen an issue with police officers having a competition to see who can get the most arrests - as long as they are justified and within the law. Sex with drunk women - big deal. Lying in court... instant jail time in my opinion.

It won't be forgotten. They'll be sorted out, no doubt.

Edit: Fozzy is on the money.

S133LTR
02-05-2010, 11:33 AM
I agree with fozzys opinion that things are easier/better for working females in the force (and all workplaces in general) these days.
I also agree that the attitudes held by police in general regarding the average offenders they deal with is pretty reasonable. (better than mine and most probably alot of others reading this forum).
Again I agree people who will just pull the equal opp card over petty technicalities for there own benefit need to be sent packing.

But isnt just assuming the bird is a sook who couldnt get a promotion pretty much the same shit all whistle blowers end up copping?
The article says she put in for transfers for 5 years, tried to resolve the issue in house with superiors, sought legal advice and was told to go the equal opp route?

Im not saying your assumptions that she is a pain in the ass with no ability to do the job are wrong but those assumptions arnt really any different to people who think that this fairly typical for the small segmant of cops with a chip on there shoulder and a shit attitude.

Fozzy
02-05-2010, 11:47 AM
You are right it is pretty unfair to assume..

However with what I have seen in my 20 years of being around WA Police is anything to go by I would be punting I am fairly close to the mark.

I will be the first to say I dont condone corruption.. However.. In policing sometimes in the heat of the moment the mark may be overstepped.. Its not to say a cop will do it everytime.. However where do you draw the line at corruption though? Letting someone off a speeding ticket cos they cried? Technically corruption but would you let it slide?

Only ten years ago.. The Police force had respect.. If you were throwing sand on the road as a kid and you saw a cop you would shit yourself and run home and hide.. Because you knew if he caught you that you would get a kick in the arse and driven home to mum and dad and then cop another belting. This worked as you more than likely wouldnt do it again and you had a respect for authority. When you did fuck up and get caught you took responsibility for your actions and took the arse kicking.

Sadly there is a general lack of respect for police and authority in general with the current generation (which in my opinion has been driven by the Department of justice being weak as piss) As a result of this and a nation of do gooders.. No one is willing to accept their own actions and take responsibility for themselves. Until we learn to buck up and take ownership of our fuckups and stop trying to blame everyone else and that respect is gained back society in general will suffer.

We really need to be careful what you wish for as you dont want to end up with a Military police force that have no ability to make a judgment call or spur of the moment decisions cos they have to do everything by the book.. That will be far worse for everyone.

Sorry for the off topic rant but in my opinion these little things all have to do with slowly dragging Australia into the dregs.

fourseven
02-05-2010, 11:56 AM
She wasn't a whistle blower until she didn't get what she wanted, so goodbye to her credibility. If she wasn't happy with her treatment she could've got the union involved, taken the mandatory worker's compensation while they sorted it out and been placed somewhere else in the service on her return to work. The fact that she has put in for transfers and didn't get them tells me senior Police identified her as a pain in the ass and was using a transfer as a method for getting herself out of a hole she helped dig.

There are so many avenues (especially for female employees!) to resolve problems in the workplace. I don't for a minute believe that she has been hard done by, more that she was trying to manipulate the system to work in her favour or she was set on dropping names if she didn't get her own way.

Fukushima
02-05-2010, 12:29 PM
Sex with drunk women isn't a big deal hey?

Just say a chick is drunk, incapable of giving consent and is raped by a cop behind the kebab shop. If the police regularly lie in court to protect each other then who is she going to get justice from? If she even dares to report it.

Cops must be held to the highest standards 100% of the time to retain the trust and respect of the community.

However that is the job of the ccc which is entirely staffed by ex cops so they spend their time chasing health workers and pollies.

Equal opportunity is even more useless. If you cant negotiate with your boss in this day and age then you either dont deserve what you are asking for or should quit.

fourseven
02-05-2010, 12:39 PM
Clearly you've not seen the quantity of birds that throw themselves at anyone in uniform before. We aren't talking about rape, so let's not get dramatic about it. Compared to the accusations this woman is making - no, I don't think a copper getting a gobbie by some random skank is a problem.

Fukushima
02-05-2010, 01:07 PM
What i am saying is there should never be a situation wherr it could ever be questioned. Its an ethical minefield.

Officers on duty should not be having any kind of sex.

Do you actually think the public should be paying cops to get blowjobs?

fourseven
02-05-2010, 01:17 PM
I know what you are saying. What I'm saying is it shouldn't even be bought up in her complaint. That is an internal Police matter - not something that the public should be concerned with, or the public need to know, or the crime commission should investigate.

As for paying cops to get a blow job, I honestly don't care as long as they are responding to criminal activity when the need is there. It's not different to them taking a smoke break when they aren't tasking... do we pay them to have a smoke? What about getting a coffee while on duty? In an outcomes based role, as long as they are responding to incidents when required who gives a shit what they are doing when they have downtime.

s1mon
02-05-2010, 01:53 PM
She's pissed off and wants a rant. I just want to know what she hoped to achieve. Personally I would blame her lawyer, without hard evidence, shes not going to prove anything. Except of course screwing her life up even more than it already is

GhostFc3s
02-05-2010, 02:09 PM
I think your a bit young if you think 10 years ago cops had respect, they havent had any respect since the 70s.

perthute
03-05-2010, 08:21 AM
wa the police state but who's policing the dodgy cops

Berny
03-05-2010, 08:55 AM
At risk of getting involved in a sensitive topic....

I dont think it is appropriate at all for on duty police to be receiving sexual favours while on duty.

Granted, compared to the other things they are being accused of, it may seem minor. However it should still be treated as a serious offence...

fourseven
03-05-2010, 09:01 AM
I think your a bit young if you think 10 years ago cops had respect, they havent had any respect since the 70s.

I think it's fair to say that the WA Police service was feared more 10 years ago. Some people would say that's not a good thing but I disagree. It made for a great deterrent and was the best method of crime prevention.

With the disbanding of certain squads (VCU, Major Incident) and more resources being poured into departments like traffic, the balls have well and truly been cut off leaving a service that criminals aren't scared of. Throw in the civil liberty fuckwits and political correctness and all of a sudden a struggling suspect being taken into custody is perceived as Police brutality.

protecon
03-05-2010, 09:34 AM
At risk of getting involved in a sensitive topic....

I dont think it is appropriate at all for on duty police to be receiving sexual favours while on duty.

Granted, compared to the other things they are being accused of, it may seem minor. However it should still be treated as a serious offence...

Totally agree - not the sort of conduct by any professional.
If someone else in "uniform" for example a Doctor at a hospital was exposed for having sex during "downtime" even with someone who was sober - pretty sure instant dismissal with view to revoking of medical license would ensue?

Fozzy
03-05-2010, 09:59 AM
Thats the thing though.. No one has been exposed.. Only Accused..

Its all hearsay and accusations until someone actually presents hard evidence in my opinion.. I 100% agree that coppers/ambos/drs/fireys shouldnt be getting any form of sexual interaction while on the job.. That being said.. Getting a number and stopping by after knock off is totally different :P

I still think the person in question just has her nose out of joint because she stepped on to many toes in the department.

Berny
03-05-2010, 10:04 AM
Good call, it is all hearsay atm and it does sound a little like the person in question is just making accusations...

And by all means, they can do whatever they want off duty...

TJ
03-05-2010, 10:05 AM
Any policeman who thinks it's ok to take time out of their shift to have sex shouldn't have a job.

Rantopotamus
03-05-2010, 10:51 AM
I would have sex with a consenting lady during work hours if I had the chance.. Who hasn't jerked off and got paid for it! HAHA