Blue Ray/ HDMI question [Archive]

Brett_J

01-01-2010, 11:43 AM

Ryan1080

01-01-2010, 11:45 AM

How is it connected? If you're using component cables, they will still transmit it at 1080p... if it's connected just via the crappy av cable, then yeah, don;t bother with blueray...

Brett_J

01-01-2010, 11:49 AM

The yellow/red/white cable.

RICEY

01-01-2010, 11:53 AM

Yeah use the component cables for hi def, red green and blue, and red and white for audio.

Ryan1080

01-01-2010, 12:05 PM

The yellow/red/white cable.

Yep, just rent a dvd then for now...

Yeah grab the component cables for hi def, red green and blue, and red and white for audio.

You need a special cable for PS3, one end is component, another is this flat end thingy. He might as well get a HDMI...

Brett_J

01-01-2010, 12:08 PM

Yeah will go with the HDMI, hopefully this will make NFS Undercover more easier to play, so pixely, stupid game but only have 2 games at moment.

RICEY

01-01-2010, 12:43 PM

My PS3 came with component leads?

Bomber

01-01-2010, 12:49 PM

Ok we just got a PS3, is it worth bothering getting movies in Blue Ray format if its not connected via HDMI? The TV is a shitty LG 60" Plasma, I think whatever the lower end 1080 one is.Or just stick to normal format till my Ebay china spec HDMI cables arrive?

Cheers

Yes it is worth it. The PS3 will only transmit the highest resolution your screen can handle anyway, in your case 1080i or possibly 720p. If you get a better screen one day you can change the PS3's output to 1080p (Full HD) and enjoy everything Full High Definition has to offer.

And good call with the eBay HDMI cable. No need to spend $100+ for a cable which transmits a digital signal with no loss over it's length :)

adrenalin

01-01-2010, 12:50 PM

Buy a HDMI cable if your tv supports it.

Well worth it

Otherwise as said can get decent component cables

If your tv isnt doing 1080p then blu ray is a waste

RICEY

01-01-2010, 12:52 PM

Yes it is worth it. The PS3 will only transmit the highest resolution your screen can handle anyway, in your case 1080i or possibly 720p. If you get a better screen one day you can change the PS3's output to 1080p (Full HD) and enjoy everything Full High Definition has to offer.

And good call with the eBay HDMI cable. No need to spend $100+ for a cable which transmits a digital signal with no loss over it's length :)

It cant transmit high def over standard rca cables which is what hes using now

RICEY

01-01-2010, 12:53 PM

Buy a HDMI cable if your tv supports it.

Well worth it

Otherwise as said can get decent component cables

If your tv isnt doing 1080p then blu ray is a waste

720p is a noticeable improvement over standard definition (480).

Bomber

01-01-2010, 01:10 PM

It cant transmit high def over standard rca cables which is what hes using now

Ah I see. When he said not connected via HDMI I assumed it was connected as you said earlier through RGB etc which will still allow 1080i

PAGZ

01-01-2010, 01:30 PM

Buy a HDMI cable if your tv supports it.

Wot he said, No point buying a brand spankn new gizmo if it still looks like a rear projection.

Anaru

01-01-2010, 03:00 PM

Yes it is worth it. The PS3 will only transmit the highest resolution your screen can handle anyway, in your case 1080i If you get a better screen one day you can change the PS3's output to 1080p (Full HD)

1080i is still "full" HD

RMX

01-01-2010, 03:27 PM

1080i is still "full" HD

Not this bullshit again...

MikeS14

01-01-2010, 03:43 PM

1080i is best for still images
1080p is best for moving images

RGVFAST

01-01-2010, 04:01 PM

dont bother getting bluray movies unless the movie has good graphics and soundtrack.

no point paying more for bluray version of driving miss daisy when dvd will do

Anaru

01-01-2010, 04:03 PM

1080i is best for still images
1080p is best for moving images

not really, 1080i looks extremely bad when in a still image with no de-interlacing (a display that doesn't use a cathode ray tube or de-interlacing software ).

1080p is superior as interlacing, or 'i' is a result of the design of CRT displays and the limit of its old technology.

We still have interlacing today because progressive scan (frame by frame) is a somewhat recent format in consumer displays.

so 'i' (interlacing) is being fazed out for the more desirable progressive scan. but it would be a while as most video hardware uses interlacing.

Not this bullshit again...

I would love to know how it is not then? if that's what you're implying.

RICEY

01-01-2010, 04:32 PM

Is HDMI picture quality better than component?

PAGZ

01-01-2010, 04:38 PM

99% sure it is

Ryan1080

01-01-2010, 06:06 PM

Sure? I thought there's no difference? I haven't seen any personally.

Drift_R32

01-01-2010, 07:03 PM

got a HDMI to HDMI cable from my ps3 to my LCD and the picture is fukn awesome, even just playing GTA4 is fukn crisp as fuk. definately recomend it

Niva

01-01-2010, 07:25 PM

Can you get VGA cable for the ps3? made huge diff to the 360

Ryan1080

01-01-2010, 07:38 PM

Would be the same result as with HDMI... My lappy gets plugged into my screen with VGA and it shoots out 1080p as well. Just get HDMI... at least you'll have the sounf sorted too...

Drift_R32

01-01-2010, 07:44 PM

HDMI is capable of better quality though isnt it? most high end video cards will have HDMI output, but cheaper have VGA

PAGZ

01-01-2010, 08:18 PM

I use HDMI on my computer and it makes a massive difference to the depths of the colors etc looks far better than VGA

verbatim

01-01-2010, 11:23 PM

All this talk of picture... Not really getting the whole idea.
Even if the tv is not true 1080p, chances are blue ray WILL look better than a normal DVD, esp with dvd up scaling thats built into the PS3.

The benefits of blue ray are not just picture also. I have a mad audio setup and a good tv thats not true 1080p and the sound is where its at.

Dont be one of 'those' people that worry to much over their tv and forget the audio. Its just as important.

RICEY

01-01-2010, 11:55 PM

Yeah my audio is setup with optical which isnt the best way but I get DTS sound which is pretty killer

rxsevengt

02-01-2010, 12:11 AM

HDMI to HDMI 1080p is what we have at our place Brett, I would've thought the 60" LG would be 1080p with HDMI input also?

Anaru

02-01-2010, 02:50 AM

Is HDMI picture quality better than component?

Yes. HDMI is for a digital signal and component transmits a analog signal. vga also transmits a analog signal but has a higher bandwidth than component.

So the order of connections in relation to picture quality, from lowest (Left) to highest (Right) for typical tvs should look something like this;

Composite < S-Video < Component < VGA < HDMI

verbatim

02-01-2010, 05:49 AM

Yeah my audio is setup with optical which isnt the best way but I get DTS sound which is pretty killer
I use the optical sound output to my amplifier for sound and the HDMI cable for the video also.

Still sounds very good.

RICEY

02-01-2010, 09:19 AM

I was wondering if it was possible to do both as my amp doesnt have hdmi.

Brett_J

02-01-2010, 09:54 AM

HDMI to HDMI 1080p is what we have at our place Brett, I would've thought the 60" LG would be 1080p with HDMI input also?

Its only 1080i, or whatever the lower end one is, the TV's a bit old now, has only the one HDMI input.
Its a crap tv compared to the Samsung 42" in the other room.Which is the same age.

PAGZ

02-01-2010, 10:00 AM

I was wondering if it was possible to do both as my amp doesnt have hdmi.

If your blueray player is a ps3 then im pretty sure u can setup your sound to come from optical out.

Ryan1080

02-01-2010, 10:32 AM

I got my PS3 setup for optical sound output to my amp, and hdmi for video to the amp as well. No particular reason for that, other than I didn't have hdmi when I first got it, only component, and I haven't bothered changing it since I got hdmi... meh. optical is still digital, like hdmi, makes no difference.

RGVFAST

02-01-2010, 10:51 AM

dolby True HD and DTS HD wont send via optical cable, it cant handle the bandwidth required for the information.

HDMI is the way to go if you have a decent audio set up

RICEY

02-01-2010, 11:18 AM

My amp displays DTS, or is DTS HD higher again?

RICEY

02-01-2010, 11:33 AM

So on a 720p tv would there be any noticeable difference going to HDMI from Component, visually? Audio wise theres no point as my amp doesnt have hdmi input.

Ryan1080

02-01-2010, 12:06 PM

dolby True HD and DTS HD wont send via optical cable, it cant handle the bandwidth required for the information.

HDMI is the way to go if you have a decent audio set up

Oh ok. Cheers, looks like I'll have to get off my ass and change those settings then lol.

Anaru

02-01-2010, 01:00 PM

So on a 720p tv would there be any noticeable difference going to HDMI from Component, visually? Audio wise theres no point as my amp doesnt have hdmi input.

I went from component to vga for the xbox and the quality was at least triple

RGVFAST

02-01-2010, 03:24 PM

yer DTS HD is higher again, it cant be transfered over optical due to to much info.

dts hd and dolby truehd do makebig difference in sound for a movie.

verbatim

03-01-2010, 04:08 AM

this dts hd still uses the standard 5 speakers + a subwoofer deal?
Its not a 7.1 only option?

My amp is a few years old, has a different type of DTS decoding.
Guess Ill go see if any movies have DTS HD and if its worth getting.

Also I see;
HDMI Audio and Video Processing (1080p; 4 Inputs and 1 Output)

and then;
HDTV-Capable (720p/1080i) Component Video Switching (2 Inputs and 1 Output)
On the same units info page, so I guess I gotta look into it more.

So that confuses me

4R33L

03-01-2010, 12:04 PM

also depending on model PS3 u have they dont have DVD upscale. I have the original FAT PS3 and its only plays DVD in 420p which is well poxy. I would reccomend playing DVDs through another source and use ya PS3 for blueray only, thats if u have old model of cause...
Check the new series does have upscale as i know mine doesnt

RICEY

03-01-2010, 12:13 PM

Bought my ps3 when they first came out and it has upscaling option in the menus?

Have you done all the firmware updates?

4R33L

04-01-2010, 04:09 PM

Niva

04-01-2010, 04:54 PM

Yes. HDMI is for a digital signal and component transmits a analog signal. vga also transmits a analog signal but has a higher bandwidth than component.

So the order of connections in relation to picture quality, from lowest (Left) to highest (Right) for typical tvs should look something like this;

Composite < S-Video < Component < VGA < HDMI

Id be tempted to put s-video first.. but i could be wrong. but have u ever seen a laptop or pc run into a tv with s-video. super shit

RICEY

04-01-2010, 05:29 PM

i will have to check the options menu, but im sure i dont have DVD upscale as an option though.
Yer all my software is up to date... I had my PS3 installed by west coast hifi with my stereo and TV i bought from them, it was actually the install/owner of west coast hifi that told me ps3 only plays DVD at 420p

I cant see why ps3 would play dvds at a lower resolution that a dvd player, it makes no sense. He probably told you that so he could sell you a dvd player as well.

verbatim

04-01-2010, 07:05 PM

I've been reading the Blu Ray forums and looks like the 3d technology used in avatar may be making a push this year.
*Will need a new TV, so hold off on puchasing one imo. NONE atm support it, even tho some claim to.
*Ps3 will support new 3d via a update, older stand alone blu ray prob not.
*All this is Ssill in early stages, so take this with a grain of salt.

Pete

04-01-2010, 07:07 PM

Thank god someone else posted this, as I was after the same info.. Ordered a PS3 from the net, and had been told a few things that I didn't think was true.. but you guys have cleared it up.

DVD Upscale.
HDMI out
Blue-ray stuff.

Thanks !

Bomber

04-01-2010, 07:08 PM

shifted

05-01-2010, 06:31 AM

I have mine set-up through HDMI (Through Amp & TV) and I just used Philips brand HDMI cables from HN (as cost price is half retail) so picked them up each for around $15 to $20.

Most games do not get 1080p anyway, I have only hit 1080p in some game cutscenes, otherwise playing I usually get 480p to 720p.

Full HD 1080p TV though as well. HDMI is well worth it. I haven't bothered with buying Blu-Rays yet though, but for the Audio difference they provide they are unbeatable. Particularly with a good setup.

NVIOUS

06-01-2010, 01:56 PM

whats the ps3's bluray capabilities like compared to a stand alone bluray player? does the ps3 support dolby 7.1?

I've just bought a new sony bravia 1080p projector & 100" screen & pioneer 7.1 amp, wanting something to get maximum visual quality out of it

xr06t

06-01-2010, 03:51 PM

So on a 720p tv would there be any noticeable difference going to HDMI from Component, visually? Audio wise theres no point as my amp doesnt have hdmi input.

in my expierence with the xbox 360, for the $20 for a hdmi cable, i'd do it.

not a major difference like composite to component but.

Anaru, i went from component to vga on my 360, no noticeable difference :confused:
used the same resolution for both.

xr06t

06-01-2010, 03:52 PM

Blueraven

07-01-2010, 08:45 PM

in my expierence with the xbox 360, for the $20 for a hdmi cable, i'd do it.

not a major difference like composite to component but.

Anaru, i went from component to vga on my 360, no noticeable difference :confused:
used the same resolution for both.

Did you change the switch on the cable to hd? at least mine had a switch...

RICEY

07-01-2010, 08:46 PM

Would have already been on HD for component....

zeroyon

07-01-2010, 08:53 PM

whats the ps3's bluray capabilities like compared to a stand alone bluray player? does the ps3 support dolby 7.1?

same same :)

PAGZ

08-01-2010, 05:48 PM

Bit off topic but does anybody no why my center speaker is really soft when there talking, but as soon as shit starts blowing up the sound is loud as fuck... im using a Sony STR-DG710 with Accusound OM-650' 6.1's all connected through HDMI

RGVFAST

08-01-2010, 06:26 PM

have you tried running addyssey or similar program in your amp and see if that fixes anything?

or alternatively turn it off if it is already on?

RICEY

08-01-2010, 06:31 PM

I had the same issue with my Yamaha amp and simply turned the centre channel up higher than the rest.

PAGZ

08-01-2010, 06:40 PM

I ran this thing where it played white noise at the highest level on each speaker, but it still didnt fix it.. Im not sure if u can actualy turn the center speaker up, i used 2 do that on my old sony amp but this one seems to have everything set.