My BF XR6

[Macca]

Everyone else has 1 so i thought i may as well

12/07 XR 6. Purchased brand new as a "family car"

No real plans for the car. Just do stupid things to it along the way.

CAI
Full 2 1/2 exhaust system including headers
Speedy Cheetah rims 18x9.
Super low rear suspension
Low fronts
Tint (d'oh)


Stereo

Odyssey Battery
Pioneer DEHP8100BT
2 x Pioneer 12 inch subs
Front crossover splits
rear pioneer (some wierd 1s cant remember numbers)
Pioneer Mono Amp
Rockford 4 channel.
Floor Mats!

Also have a flash tuner 2 for it.

Just for shits and giggles on the 11th of Jan i am going to get it tuned. Reason being because i can.


Make comments, laugh do whatever :p

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[adrenalin]

Looks good.

Love that colour.

[dmwill]

Makes for a comfy and reliable yet reasonably quick daily.

[Miggy]

Nice cruiser, the rims suit it well.

[zeroyon]

I saw a car just like this driving the other day.Had a some weird looking red head picking his nose in the drivers seat ......

Nice car, needs FI :)

[Nic_A31]

^^ LOL

[Macca]

I saw a car just like this driving the other day.Had a some weird looking red head picking his nose in the drivers seat ......

Nice car, needs FI :)

Nah FI is what everyone does. Think i might just see how much power i can get out of it being NA.

Pfft if ya booga is stuck get it out :P

[Lonewolf]

interested to see the results, n/a for the slow! :D

[TJ]

BF .. is it the 5 speed?

If so they arnt that slow.. I just had a FG XR for a week... painted line(s) , went ok, rolled 210kmh.

[Gladio]

The BF XR6 N/A also got the 6 Speed ZF auto/T56 6Speed manual.

The factory run out bumpers suit it well, not many cars had em.

Nice daily mate.

[V8ENZ]

keeping an eye on this, need ideals for the gfs ba mkII xr6

[TJ]

How did the bf get the 6 but the fg only 5 speed auto?

[Macca]

The NA version came out with some weird gearbox combo's. Yes there is the 6 speed auto/manual (series 2) there is also the 4 speed auto (series 1). Mine being close to the last run of the BF's coped none of those options.

Mine is a crossbreed 4 speed auto. It is strengthened over the series 1 bf box. but not sure of exactly what. It shifts totally different from a std box

[Turbo2.6L]

Nah FI is what everyone does. Think i might just see how much power i can get out of it being NA.

Pfft if ya booga is stuck get it out :P

They make pretty decent power & torque with a tune & some bolt-ons, but the weight of the car overshadows the gains.
Good luck with it & have fun!

[Gladio]

How did the bf get the 6 but the fg only 5 speed auto?

Cheap ass Ford Engineering FTL. The new 5 Speed boxes that the FG N/A get are Aus made. Only the XR6T/XR8/FPV got the 6speed Auto that I know about in the FG's

[TJ]

Nothing wrong with the 5 speed imho.

[redline07]

Just traded a BA with a 6spd auto in it here at work too.

[Gladio]

Very few cars have had 6speed ZF transplants done on em. its a massive project which requires the ecu to be re-writen basicly. Getting off topic!


Is this car parked at East Cannington near the bridge over the traino?

[Macca]

Very few cars have had 6speed ZF transplants done on em. its a massive project which requires the ecu to be re-writen basicly. Getting off topic!


Is this car parked at East Cannington near the bridge over the traino?

nope

[Jizz-Lebrity]

Nothing wrong with the 5 speed imho.

Yeah they're not a bad box. BF XR6's only got the old BTR standard, the ZF trans was an option - stock on XR6T's though.

Nice car nonetheless! Grab an under driven pully & maybe a set of crow cams before the tune if ya can, it would fucking scream then!

:)

[Lonewolf]

autospeed article says that an intake manifold can help with bulk power up top too

[Macca]

Yeah they're not a bad box. BF XR6's only got the old BTR standard, the ZF trans was an option - stock on XR6T's though.

Nice car nonetheless! Grab an under driven pully & maybe a set of crow cams before the tune if ya can, it would fucking scream then!

:)

yeah definetly thinking about underdrive. tossing up on cams. alot of fucking around

[AutoPro Innaloo]

anyone know which cams i should be using if i went that way?

[VT SS]

rims look nice with the colour it is , but they just look small to me, maybe its the angle of the pic anyway, what about a supercharger ?

[Macca]

rims look nice with the colour it is , but they just look small to me, maybe its the angle of the pic anyway, what about a supercharger ?

yeah think it is the angle. Wife wont let me spend the amount of cash required for a supercharger

[Lonewolf]

http://autospeed.com.au/cms/A_3083/article.html

n/a aint cheap

[Turbo2.6L]

Very few cars have had 6speed ZF transplants done on em. its a massive project which requires the ecu to be re-writen basicly. Getting off topic!
?

Nothing to do with -re-writing' the ecu... It's the fact that half the car needs to be transformed into BF running gear in order for the auto to be able to communicate with the car ecu via it's own little ecu.


anyone know which cams i should be using if i went that way?

Crow cams offer 3 different types that are all suited to different applications.
The middle version (whatever they call them) are the best as they don't compromise fuel economy but still give decent gains down low & through the midrange.

For that type of money though ($700 for cams, $xxx for labour, $1500 for tune & flash box, and the rest of the bolt-ons required to make the most of the cams), you're better off slapping a turbo engine & ecu in imo.

[Macca]

Nothing to do with -re-writing' the ecu... It's the fact that half the car needs to be transformed into BF running gear in order for the auto to be able to communicate with the car ecu via it's own little ecu.



Crow cams offer 3 different types that are all suited to different applications.
The middle version (whatever they call them) are the best as they don't compromise fuel economy but still give decent gains down low & through the midrange.

For that type of money though ($700 for cams, $xxx for labour, $1500 for tune & flash box, and the rest of the bolt-ons required to make the most of the cams), you're better off slapping a turbo engine & ecu in imo.

Already have flash box. Have trade accounts for parts, labour is the only key. Have thought about turbo motor but everyone has 1 of them

[DESAM8+PANIK]

hmmmmm ........ nice car Steve but it is missing something in the engine bay ...... maybe a ..... TURBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tocchi]

definately needs Forced Induction... of course saying that, it will need a tune, so theres only one place to go, Monsta Torque!! ftw !!


anyone know which cams i should be using if i went that way?
BF F6 cams are good too, damn cheap, (i havent tested them myself) and are meant to be better than some aftermarket ones (namely atomic)

[DESAM8+PANIK]

I class the falcondore turbo as the big blobk skyline :) massive burnout and torque machine :)

[Macca]

yeah will price up some f6 cams tomorrow. thx

[TJ]

Yeah "everyone might have a turbo" but.. its the only way to make decent gains from one.

Spend 4-5k fucking around with cams zorst etc to make maybe 230kw at motor?

Spend that on a turbo and make 300kw... at the wheels.

[Macca]

Yeah "everyone might have a turbo" but.. its the only way to make decent gains from one.

Spend 4-5k fucking around with cams zorst etc to make maybe 230kw at motor?

Spend that on a turbo and make 300kw... at the wheels.

Huh im making 230kw at the motor now :p

I dont want anything big power wise. just not following the norm

[Macca]

All N/A powered cars should have these. apparently each gauge adds 15hp

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[DISTRBD]

All N/A powered cars should have these. apparently each gauge adds 15hp

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Fit up 3 more gauges then :)

[adrenalin]

Why bother with it

Sure it will be different but its still going to get hosed by a stock XR6-t

[Steppo_GT]

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Tough!

[Turbo2.6L]

definately needs Forced Induction... of course saying that, it will need a tune, so theres only one place to go, Monsta Torque!! ftw !!


BF F6 cams are good too, damn cheap, (i havent tested them myself) and are meant to be better than some aftermarket ones (namely atomic)

F6 cams are definitely better than some/all of the aftermarket cams available for the barra motor if you're going for all out performance, only downside is they sound like all other ford cams! Haha. Also, not sure if they're any good for a NA as they're designed for FI. Might be a little sluggish down low & lack balls up top due to the lack of a huffer??


Yeah "everyone might have a turbo" but.. its the only way to make decent gains from one.

Spend 4-5k fucking around with cams zorst etc to make maybe 230kw at motor?

Spend that on a turbo and make 300kw... at the wheels.

This!
Everyone has a turbo bolted up cause they work so ridiculously well on the 4L engine!! They don't rev hard due to the displacement so Ford have cheated a little & smashed a 35 on :D

[Lonewolf]

turbo cams generally dont suit an n/a application as you want overlap, however the low revving nature of the 4L (and that the BF has VVT) may make them ok.

[Macca]

i really guess no one noticed the Boost gauge

[Macca]

F6 cams are definitely better than some/all of the aftermarket cams available for the barra motor if you're going for all out performance, only downside is they sound like all other ford cams! Haha. Also, not sure if they're any good for a NA as they're designed for FI. Might be a little sluggish down low & lack balls up top due to the lack of a huffer??




Proven fact that F6 cams are exactly the same cams already in my car from stock. Already gone down that path to verify

[family guy]

Blower whine always sounds good:muff:

[Lonewolf]

i really guess no one noticed the Boost gauge

I figured you were just a ricer :lol:

[Nic_A31]

Well...he is....has a boost gauge and no boost.
Infact those gauges arent even plugged in...they're just ... there... on the dash.

[Macca]

Well...he is....has a boost gauge and no boost.
Infact those gauges arent even plugged in...they're just ... there... on the dash.

actually they arent on there at all noob. just trial fitting. dash is normal again :p

[Nic_A31]

Suppose your giant cannon is just a test fit as well ay :P

[Rantopotamus]

Just ring Crow cams in Melb tell them your application they will divert you to their book - website. If you are really nice and have an extra $300 or so You can ask what custom grinds they have done as I had to order quite a few when I was in the industry. They usually take about 48 hours + overnight freight... Done. Turbo or N/A application these motors get good gains from cams. Cam and tune FTW

Just a question to the Ford owners.. dont you find turbo or N/A these were really gutless down low? I drove cuontless cars before and after work was done and the XR6's just always felt kinda dull under 2800 - 3000rpm or so.

[esky]

Just ring Crow cams in Melb tell them your application they will divert you to their book - website. If you are really nice and have an extra $300 or so You can ask what custom grinds they have done as I had to order quite a few when I was in the industry. They usually take about 48 hours + overnight freight... Done. Turbo or N/A application these motors get good gains from cams. Cam and tune FTW

Just a question to the Ford owners.. dont you find turbo or N/A these were really gutless down low? I drove cuontless cars before and after work was done and the XR6's just always felt kinda dull under 2800 - 3000rpm or so.

aftermarket cams in a barra turbo motor makes sweet fuckall difference. its not a cost effective mod.

turbo motors feel dull off boost, what where you expecting? compared with other turbo configurations however the 4l turbo is very strong down low

[Turbo2.6L]

Proven fact that F6 cams are exactly the same cams already in my car from stock. Already gone down that path to verify

ROFL.
So you're saying that the F6 cams & XR6 NA cams are the same grind? Don't think so champ... How would their be gains for people switching out XR6T cams for F6 cams if that was the case?

[Rantopotamus]

aftermarket cams in a barra turbo motor makes sweet fuckall difference. its not a cost effective mod.

turbo motors feel dull off boost, what where you expecting? compared with other turbo configurations however the 4l turbo is very strong down low

He is talking about doing it NA... thats what im talking about.. not Turbo.

But I will admit I have made it come across weird as he changed his tone with the addition of a boost guage but my comments were meant for non turbos...

I have seen up to 80 - 90 hp increase with cams (xr6 non turbo). Granted not the bang for your $$ I would excpect but if he wants to stay non turbo and not spend money. Cams and if he has enough coin head porting - valves up the compression is the way to go no?

[esky]

sorry but you confused me, you said

"Turbo or N/A application these motors get good gains from cams. Cam and tune FTW"

N/a cams do get good gains, turbo don't too the point its quite expensive for a few hp so it isn't worth doing.

[Rantopotamus]

sorry but you confused me, you said

"Turbo or N/A application these motors get good gains from cams. Cam and tune FTW"

N/a cams do get good gains, turbo don't too the point its quite expensive for a few hp so it isn't worth doing.

Yes I did realise my written error! But it was too late. I am still confused as to weather or not 4Slide is sticking N/A or giogn turbo!! haha his last few posts confused me too!

[Turbo2.6L]

80 or 90hp from cam change in a NA Barra? That's decent considering they are 200hp+ in stock form.

[Rantopotamus]

Obviously this includes tuning... And these were our upper end hp/dyno hero cars... There was always suttle differences between each car. The fords where weird as there was no real trend in mods and HP always harder to predict... 4Slides already having good power - exhaust and a tune i doubt will make that much from "JUST" the cam. But he should still see close to 40 - 60hp. If he goes down a performance route and throws fuel and idle out the window.

Its like LS Commodores... (Obviously v8's and different kettle of fish altogether) would be 400 - 430hp with exhaust, cam, heads, tune. Usually pretty easy to predict a horsepower figure. But we would get some which only made 380 with exactly the same CNC heads - extractors - cam - customized tune and really theres nothing that could seperate the 2. One Monster ended up being close to 500hp at the treads with the above mentioned mods - coil packs + aggresive as fuck tune.

I think we've gotten off topic so i'll shutup now. But its just gonna depend on how much his Mrs lets him spend.

[Turbo2.6L]

A large factor in the power differences you describe is the dyno.
Dyno's are tuning tools that are used as a rough guide, not to be used to compare different cars on different days with different tie down techniques etc etc.
80 - 90rwhp gain on the dyno you seen it on may be 30rwhp on the dyno my car goes on... Which one is correct? Both are as dyno figures mean SFA :D

[Macca]

ROFL.
So you're saying that the F6 cams & XR6 NA cams are the same grind? Don't think so champ... How would their be gains for people switching out XR6T cams for F6 cams if that was the case?

Dont ask me i just go by part numbers. I gave my VIN number to ford, and i asked them if i could put F6 cams in my car. They came back with the exact same number for each model. Maybe the XR6T cams are different

[Turbo2.6L]

Don't take ford's word on anything, they know nothing & their parts system is a fucking joke!

[Macca]

Don't take ford's word on anything, they know nothing & their parts system is a fucking joke!

problem with doing that is if i do order the F6 cams and put them in my car and find they are the exact same item. It turns into an expensive mistake.

But if after the next round of mods are completed and i want more i will go the crow route just to be sure

[Turbo2.6L]

That's a better way to go anyway.
Crow cams sound better & are cheaper, with similar power gains.

[Rantopotamus]

Soggy I am taking readings from the same dyno, with the same tuner, the same tie downs, the same exhausts (most of the time if we did the lot as a package tune cams exhaust) ect ect.. I am not one for a HP hero dyno queen car either, to me it is all about out driveability and if your after bragging rights times down the quarter of course are giong to matter... the mear fact was I was exlpaining how much these cars vary with similar mods more so than others.

And atleast we can agree that if he choses to go cams - crow is a good place to start.

[Turbo2.6L]

Same dyno & same car even can produce very different results with just a day in between runs. Weather is a huge factor as is how tight the car is strapped. Not saying that all LS1 powered cars will respond to similar mods the same way, just that the differences you see on the dyno aren't really a true indication of what's going on. Would be better comparing mph.

[Macca]

Ok finally car is getting sorted.

After ignition switch which fell out in january i got the car back a week or so before the hail storm. Insurance is finally sorted so the car is back in getting finished off.

Will update in the next 2 days with results. Should be fun

[Macca]

This car truley hates me.

Happy with the results. Just a lazy 316rwhp

[ovaxitd]

awsome for na love.....would move the boat alright hey?

[Macca]

awsome for na love.....would move the boat alright hey?

I guess i could still call it NA up until 4k rev

[ovaxitd]

there was a f6 written off last night that i know of... want an engine and brake transplant...

[locote]

what dyno did you use??

[TJ]

NA XR6
Headfucks
$$$$

< Stock XR6 and tune?

Sorry Steve :P

[Dirty32]

there was a f6 written off last night that i know of... want an engine and brake transplant...

How much is the engine going for??
BA/F or FG?

Kms?

[Macca]

NA XR6
Headfucks
$$$$

< Stock XR6 and tune?

Sorry Steve :P

stock xr6 with blower isnt too shabby

[TJ]

I know im just stirring.

Should be a ton of fun

[Macca]

once i get used to how the power is delivered it should be

[Macca]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2liisfn.jpg

[Joe]

Not bad at all!

[Turbo2.6L]

there was a f6 written off last night that i know of... want an engine and brake transplant...

Tell me more Tristan!

Why doesn't power come on til 4000rpm?

[Macca]

Long time between drinks.

Mods now include
custom Crow grind cams
13.5psi boost
Manta exhaust

just shy 360rwhp

[RELEASE]

Got a tuner sorted for it?

[Macca]

it is tuned.

263.7rwkw = 358rwhp

[RELEASE]

Nice :)

[skinkis]

Who did the tune if I may ask?
Any issues with setting up the cams, or were they easy?

[Fukushima]

Keen for runs

[winstor]

You had this at the AL dyno day yeh? Blower strapped to the side? Keen for vids of dyno pulls for sound.

[TJ]

Keen for runs

Could of showed you yesterd... oh.

[Macca]

Who did the tune if I may ask?
Any issues with setting up the cams, or were they easy?

Simon at xft.
Valve springs and shims for cams. Bit of dicking around (hence why i pay ppl to do it) not sure if i am going to keep cams in it yet. Will be discussed over next few weeks


Keen for runs

AL cruise #29...wait weak bitch


You had this at the AL dyno day yeh? Blower strapped to the side? Keen for vids of dyno pulls for sound.

Yeah little bit different now.

[S133LTR]

Hey man have you got any engine bay pics of the car? Would like to see the set up.

[Macca]

Hey man have you got any engine bay pics of the car? Would like to see the set up.

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[Gleeso]

Engine bay looks great! Any reason in keeping the presumably plastic intake pipe from the throttle body?

[Macca]

Just until i go a different cooler and run the pipe work differently. The stainless pipe is also an addition from what capa send with the kits