Automotive Apprenticeships

[PABS]

Hi,

I would like to apply for a mechanics apprenticeship. Just really after some advice as where is the most beneficial.
Any info would be great, even contacts :)

Looking to start early next year.

thanks

[[PIG GTS]]

what do you want to do mechanic, painter, panel beater, auto electrian ?

[PABS]

mechanic, post edited

[Evolved]

Try MITA ( motor industry training association ) they have intakes January and July.

linky - http://www.mita.net.au/

[PABS]

Is it better to go through a dealership or a smaller private shop?

[aubs]

the training you recive is for a much of a muchness the same,
the practise however is where a non dealership workshop shines through

[RICEY]

Try MITA ( motor industry training association ) they have intakes January and July.

linky - http://www.mita.net.au/

Everyone I know from MITA farkin hates it and those who have moved to TAFE say its heaps better.

Working at a dealership you generally only learn one brand of vehicle whereas smaller shops probably get all sorts through.

[MMM]

If you go through mita you can change dealerships as mita supplys most the main dealerships in perth dont they?

[jdv]

MITA sucks , dont go to them ,, just go to places and ask if they are looking for a apprentice, i think our place is looking for some now, if your keen i can ask our manager and get you his number.. send me a pm if your keen

[RICEY]

If you go through mita you can change dealerships as mita supplys most the main dealerships in perth dont they?

I changed dealerships under TAFE without much dramas, I think if youre under MITA youre employed by them not the dealership.

[aubs]

our dealership is looking to hire for next year soon, give me a pm if ur keen on fords,

[mr_mike]

if its the same for machanics as it is for painters then ur correct mark, u r employed by MITA then contracted out to the dealerships.
The advantage of MITA is they pay all ur training where as with a TAFE apprentiship ur employer has no obligation to pay for it atho some do as its tax deductable.
I believe MITA will also supply you with most of the tools you should need to start and work clothes, boots etc. Where as a TAFE based one you just get a weekly tool allowance. But i think this may of changed since my apprentiship as my current apprentice just got 3 lump sum payments over the course of the last 2.5 years.

Personally i would go for a smaller shop than a dealer shit, again both have advantages and disadvantages. A pro for dealershits is you will get to use all the modern gear and all parts r at hand but 99% of ur work will be basic services oil, brakes mayb a timing belt every now and then. Plus only working on one make.
Small shops you may get to do alot more mechanical work, actually building engines changing parts etc. BUT you will be in a small shop, they r usually cluttered up, end up waiting for parts and u find things broken alot more. Plus workin on such a smakk profit margin stuff ups r not tolerated and alot more is expected from you.

[Banana_Beast]

MITA still charge you for all your training fees, even though they pay you and are your employer.

One major advantage to going to a dealership is getting to use all the new equipment and since you are working on new cars you will know how to treat the new electronics and how all the systems work. Also your electrical diagnostic skills will be better than if you are working at a backyard workshop, due to getting a lot of electical problems .

Also its pretty good not having to work on rusty pre 1970 shitters:) .

[Bomber]

if its the same for machanics as it is for painters then ur correct mark, u r employed by MITA then contracted out to the dealerships.
The advantage of MITA is they pay all ur training where as with a TAFE apprentiship ur employer has no obligation to pay for it atho some do as its tax deductable.
I believe MITA will also supply you with most of the tools you should need to start and work clothes, boots etc. Where as a TAFE based one you just get a weekly tool allowance. But i think this may of changed since my apprentiship as my current apprentice just got 3 lump sum payments over the course of the last 2.5 years.

Personally i would go for a smaller shop than a dealer shit, again both have advantages and disadvantages. A pro for dealershits is you will get to use all the modern gear and all parts r at hand but 99% of ur work will be basic services oil, brakes mayb a timing belt every now and then. Plus only working on one make.
Small shops you may get to do alot more mechanical work, actually building engines changing parts etc. BUT you will be in a small shop, they r usually cluttered up, end up waiting for parts and u find things broken alot more. Plus workin on such a smakk profit margin stuff ups r not tolerated and alot more is expected from you.

Depends what you see yourself doing I guess.

If you want to be able to diagnose problems based on knowledge and not electronics go to a smaller workshop that handles everything. If you want to plug a computer in and let it tell you what to fix, go to a dealership.

I know I'd much rathar be able to diagnose something by myself, however all cars are getting more and more electric systems orientated. To be a mechanic now you won't need to know how to set a float or rebuild a carby......

[mc68]

Also your electrical diagnostic skills will be better than if you are working at a backyard workshop, due to getting a lot of electical problems

HAHAHA...yeah ok mate

[RICEY]

Depends what you see yourself doing I guess.

If you want to be able to diagnose problems based on knowledge and not electronics go to a smaller workshop that handles everything. If you want to plug a computer in and let it tell you what to fix, go to a dealership.

I know I'd much rathar be able to diagnose something by myself, however all cars are getting more and more electric systems orientated. To be a mechanic now you won't need to know how to set a float or rebuild a carby......

Scan tools dont tell you how to fix anything. All they do is read trouble codes and give you data, you still have to work out whats wrong with the information it gives you. Granted it makes things a lot easier but some things would be almost impossible and very time consuming to diagnose without a scan tool in modern vehicles.

[2jzlux]

I think its less of where you work and more of your attitude towards the job.
If you smoke heaps of cones before work and come to work half pissed like a few previous apprentices i have had then you wont learn shit, but have the right attitude and it wont matter what your working on and you will do ok.
I think in the next few years some small workshops that dont invest in training will fail due to the amount of bullshit being put into cars at the moment, try diagnosing an injector fault on a common rail diesel or a battery ecu on a hybrid without a scan tool.

[PABS]

Thanks for all the feedback guys, really appreciate it!

Maybe i Should explain my intentions :
I want to start my own business, mainly specialising in performance modifications and general consulting/car advice to new car buyers.

My aim is to get a little all round knowledge.
I have the basic knowledge of what to do and what not to do to a car.
I could tell you what to modify and why but i can't put that knowledge into practice if that makes sense?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but In a nutshell, an engine is an engine and my understanding is that at the end of the day all apprenticeships should have the same course criteria. In saying that, I feel the basic knowledge will be relatively similar, dealership to shop, but the practical and mechanical side of things will be in more depth/more variety in a shop?

I have a Diploma in Business and a welth of opperational, customer service, leadership and transport knowledge by working for Budget Car Rentals for the last 2 and a bit years. For me to branch out and work for myself, mechanical knowledge will get me much further.
Plus, just being in a workshop excites me, like most on here I'd say:)

Cars is where i want to be and i really want to develop the skills needed to achieve performance knowledge and basic consulting/advice knowledge.

As some of you have mentioned, cars are becoming a lot more electrical, eg. my mums golf has been flashing SERVICE SERVICE for a couple weeks, she ignored it and yesterday car just turned off! have to plug up computer and and re-set!

My ideal position as an apprentice, will be a variety of vehicles with some performance modifications.
But in saying that, I need something secure, I don't want to be the apprentice bicycle so to speak and be thrown around from workshop to workshop....
And i dam sure don't want to be simply servicing cars for the next 3 years! lol
I would like to service, build, re-build, modify etc.

Cars are my passion, So my attitude towards them will be only positive.
Mr_Mike, expectaions for me are good things, will motivate me a lot more, comfort and convenience can only lead to a "comfort blanket" to work under, not a good position to be in! I work a lot better when i know if don't do it or do it properly then It won't get done. I'm a bit of a control freak! haha

PS. don't smoke bongs nor can i function hungover :)

[aubs]

Plus, just being in a workshop excites me, like most on here I'd say:)


i dunno, thats what i thought at first

[RICEY]

i dunno, thats what i thought at first

Me too lol it aint that much fun when you have to do it 5 days a week hahaha

How much you learn really depends on the workshop supervisor. Im lucky in that mine is always getting me to do stuff I havent done before so im always learning, Im also getting a lot of diagnostic jobs too so learning heaps there as well. if you have one that just gives you services then youre not going to learn farkall.

Another advantage of a dealership is that they cycle you through different departments (well they do at my work). So you work in pre delivery learning how all the accessories fit and work, electrical where you do a lot of diagnostics and aircon work, used cars where you get to work on all different brands of cars, and retail where you mostly work on the dealer brand.

So theres a lot of factors which determine how much you will learn. Just have to take the plunge and hope you get a good place to work at.

[2jzlux]

If you are that passionate about cars go get yourself a good job(ie not mechanic) that earns a heap of money that allows you to modify your own cars.
Like ricey said doing it 5 days a week the last thing you want to do is work on cars on the weekend too.

[joshg123]

Ive worked at dealerships and private workshops in my time,

Dealerships are good because you have the backing or a large business, you can milk them for training courses and further your knowledge that way. They are also good because yes, you learn on new cars and learn the current day mechanics. But i believe this also has a equal downside. IE if i asked say a 3rd year apprentice from a dealership how to get a rear wheel bearing off a xf falcon axle. They would most likley look at me and tell me im joking. But if i asked them to get a check engine light out of a VE commodore im sure they could do it with their eyes closed.

Personally, i think your better off working in a small business, learning the basics of what todays mechanics are based on. If you dont understand dwell times, ring gaps, ping, tight valves and learn with the old cars, your never going to be 100% with the new cars. I currently supervise/control a private workshop with 7 hoists, 5 mechanics. And allthough i have a 'advanced' knowladge i still learn new things every day with diagnostics, and thats what keeps it interesting, i never have a boring day at work.

On the MITA and TAFE front, i belive you are better going through the TAFE's as MITA is very 'business' about how they teach you. If you put the training side by side TAFE is far more advanced, and relevant.

But at the end of the day its up to you, if your going for an apprenticeship for something to do or because someone told you to get a job or your out of home, your going to fail at it. You need to want to do it, and when your in. Further your education by going to some night courses, whilest your learning on the old cars, go do some CRD courses (bosch run them), go do some CAN BUS courses. Stay back after work for an hour and pull down a gearbox with the boss, dont leave at 4:29 because your supposed to. Its all about the work ethic.

/end joe spec essay

[joshg123]

And i forgot to add, go to some smaller workshops and apply directly, forget the organisations. Contact CCI apprenticentre and speak to Lillian Primeano (sp) She handles RPL, perhaps you can fastrack through some units with some base knowledge...... depending on how much you know

[PABS]

If you are that passionate about cars go get yourself a good job(ie not mechanic) that earns a heap of money that allows you to modify your own cars.
Like ricey said doing it 5 days a week the last thing you want to do is work on cars on the weekend too.

thats a good thought in theory,
But i would need to know how to fix/diagnose problems in order to succesfully modify

[RICEY]

And i forgot to add, go to some smaller workshops and apply directly, forget the organisations. Contact CCI apprenticentre and speak to Lillian Primeano (sp) She handles RPL, perhaps you can fastrack through some units with some base knowledge...... depending on how much you know

Im in a flexi class at TAFE which means im not held back by the class we all go at our own pace. Ive almost completed my TAFE subjects in less than 2 years.

[PABS]

does TAFE provide funding for tools, clothing, boots etc?

Regardless of where i go do i need to apply through TAFE or MITA?

[j3rk]

If you are that passionate about cars go get yourself a good job(ie not mechanic) that earns a heap of money that allows you to modify your own cars.
Like ricey said doing it 5 days a week the last thing you want to do is work on cars on the weekend too.

This is good if he was after just learning about his cars and building some good ones... for a business perspective (ie. building his own) it is a smart move to invest a few years in an apprentaship so you can say you are a qualified mechanic / do actually have a clue what your doing.

That said I'm sure a few people will tell you your not perfect when your apprentaship is over... takes a few more years learning! (just guessing ;))

[PABS]

This is good if he was after just learning about his cars and building some good ones... for a business perspective (ie. building his own) it is a smart move to invest a few years in an apprentaship so you can say you are a qualified mechanic / do actually have a clue what your doing.

EXACTLY!

[RICEY]

TAFE doesnt provide anything. The govt gives you $800 tool voucher after your first 3months I think it is, and you get other incentives from them as well in the form of 6 monthly payments etc. Ive had to pay all my TAFE fees, buy my own boots and pay for all my tools (apart from the $800). Your employer can pay for your fees its up to them, mine doesnt (the pingpingpingping). My work supplies my uniform I have to wash it though.

Once you find someone willing to take you on they should organise TAFE enrolment for you and a rep will come out to the workplace to sign you up.

[RICEY]

This is good if he was after just learning about his cars and building some good ones... for a business perspective (ie. building his own) it is a smart move to invest a few years in an apprentaship so you can say you are a qualified mechanic / do actually have a clue what your doing.

That said I'm sure a few people will tell you your not perfect when your apprentaship is over... takes a few more years learning! (just guessing ;))

Definately true.

[PABS]

Definately true.


Exactly right, I do not doubt that one bit!
Experience is they key to success in almost everything!

But having the Mechaninc Apprenticeship and Business Diploma under my belt better will increase my chances in getting a better job and eventually branching out

[2jzlux]

To be honest i would bypass the being a mechanic thing and do a mechanical engineering course at uni.

[Lump]

^definately

[PABS]

thanks 2jzlux and NWR31 but i'm really not inerested in uni.

Back on the apprenticeship topic thanks ;)

[joshg123]

Yeh im aware of that Mark, you can always finish your tech early, been that way for a long time. This lady can cut time off your apprenticeship if she feels you are more advanced than a 1st year with no experience, can put you in 6 months ahead or what not.

[RICEY]

P.S. Get into Midland TAFE, bulk hot hairdressers :D

[Alt_F4]

To be honest i would bypass the being a mechanic thing and do a mechanical engineering course at uni.
In this situation, he would be better off to do mechanical engineering at tafe part time while doing his apprenticeship.

[RICEY]

Yeh im aware of that Mark, you can always finish your tech early, been that way for a long time. This lady can cut time off your apprenticeship if she feels you are more advanced than a 1st year with no experience, can put you in 6 months ahead or what not.

My point was youre better off in a flexi class as the normal classes move ahead as a group not individuals so you can held held back by the retards haha

[joshg123]

Oh yeh fo sure, and there certainly is some retards

[RICEY]

In this situation, he would be better off to do mechanical engineering at tafe part time while doing his apprenticeship.

That would be a lot of information to have to take in. I was surprised by how much you have to learn at TAFE and some of it isnt easy either. He may well be capable of doing two things at once but most people would struggle.

[Alt_F4]

That would be a lot of information to have to take in. I was surprised by how much you have to learn at TAFE and some of it isnt easy either. He may well be capable of doing two things at once but most people would struggle.
Would only be 2 units extra at any given time to worry about if he stretched it over the whole period of the apprenticeship, and there would be units that would overlap with units covered in his apprenticeship.

Between the two studies, he would have an extremely strong base to start from coming out of the apprenticeship for developing his own performance shop/business.

[PABS]

That would be a lot of information to have to take in. I was surprised by how much you have to learn at TAFE and some of it isnt easy either. He may well be capable of doing two things at once but most people would struggle.

Agreed, I don't want to BE a mechanic as such- it's not my career choice, just want to develop the knowledge and experience.

[Lump]

yeah, my line of thinking was to follow what infamoust said.

anyway, heres one from sats west- full time small engines apprentice at midland - daniel 9250 5058

dont know f this is what you guys were talking about but will post it ip anyway.
the apprentice & traineeship company

position- auto mech

9204 4566

[joshg123]

Had a lady come past my work today so asked for you,

You can go directly through CCI apprenticentre if you can find an employer on your own, MITA is basically an employment agency with a training room (simply put)

[PABS]

Thanks Bud,
I have made contact with CCI and now working on a few openings.

Thanks all for the advice!
Much Appreciated

[marcoardeno]

RiCeY, do you have the list of subject you doing for your Mech Apprenticeship? Reply here or PM me the list when u got the time to type it up.. i'll go over TAFE website and see if i can get more info.. thanks.

[RICEY]

Can do...

[RICEY]

These arent in the order you do them but here goes..

APPLY SAFE WORKING PRACTISES
C/O REPAIRS TO SINGLE ELECTRICAL CIRCUITS
INSPECT/SERVICE EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEMS
INSPECT/SERVICE SUSPENSION SYSTEMS
REPAIR AUTO TRANSMISSIONS
SERVICE/REPAIR ELECTRONIC DRIVE MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS
INSPECT/SERVICE MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS
IMPLEMENT AND MONITOR ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS IN THE AUTOMOTIVE MECHANICAL INDUSTRY
REPAIR AND REPLACE EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEMS
REPAIR SUSPENSION SYSTEMS
REPAIR IGNITION SYSTEMS
INSPECT AND SERVICE AUTO TRANSMISSIONS
USE AND MAINTAIN MEASURING EQUIPMENT
REPAIR ENGINES AND ASSOCIATED ENGINE COMPONENTS
REPAIR STEERING SYSTEMS
SERVICE AND REPAIR ELECTRONIC SPARK IGNITION MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS
INSPECT AND SERVICE ENGINES
REMOVE AND REFIT DRIVELINE COMPONENTS
C/O WHEEL ALIGNMENT OPERATIONS
REPAIR MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS
REPAIR CHARGING SYSTEMS
INSPECT AND SERVICE COOLING SYSTEMS
SERVICE A/C SYSTEMS
REPAIR FINAL DRIVE (DRIVELINE)
CARRY OUT DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURES
REPAIR STARTING SYSTEMS
REPAIR COOLING SYSTEMS
INSPECT SERVICE AND REPAIR CLUTCH ASSEMBLIES AND ASSOCIATED OPERATING SYSTEM COMPONENTS
REPAIR FINAL DRIVE ASSEMBLIES
APPLY BASIC AUTOMOTIVE TROUBLESHOOTING PROCESSES
SERVICE PETROL FUEL SYSTEMS
INSPECT AND SERVICE BRAKING SYSTEMS
REPAIR PETROL FUEL SYSTEMS
SERVICE DIESEL FUEL INJECTION SYSTEMS
REPAIR HYDRAULIC BRAKING SYSTEMS
TEST SERVICE AND CHARGE BATTERIES

[marcoardeno]

thanks man

hmm, apart from the OHS stuff, the rest is pretty much practical thing.
how much in class theoretical learning is needed for each subject?
is it like 12 week lecture @ 2-3 hours weekly like in uni or it is much shorter due to the more practical thing i would do with my mentor/mechanic?
going to class is like taking sleeping pills to me, lol

[RICEY]

umm fark ill have to go through it all for the hours haha

Im in a flexi class so u can go as fast as you want, Ive nearly completed my tafe subjects in 18months. In the normal classes you get held back by the dumbest kunt in the class haha.

Generally its one full day a week till youre finished. And yeah it puts me to sleep too haha

[RICEY]

Theres quite a bit of theory you have to learn on each subject, thats what puts me to sleep....

[marcoardeno]

so the flexi class is a poly west thing or challenger also has similar arrangement?
Midland vs kwinana. which one has better facility?

[RICEY]

wtf is poly west and challenger?

No idea what kwinana has... Midland seems to have everyhting we need including a dyno..

[K.C.]

i also had wtf?!? moment when browsing TAFE website

seems like the word TAFE is being phase out or replaced
http://www.tafe.wa.edu.au/
"TAFEWA is now part of Training WA.
You are being redirected to the Training WA website.
Training WA offers careers, skills and opportunities for all Western Australians."

Swan TAFE = Polytechnic West
central TAFE = Central Institute of Technology
westcoasttafe = West Coast Institute of Training
etc etc

so confusing... took me a while to get to this:
http://www.trainingwa.wa.gov.au/trainingcourses/detcms/navigation/choosing-a-training-provider/tafe/?page=2&tab=Main#toc2

[BoXi]

i've just started at MITA doing my induction course, wondering if anyone taking first year apprectices?

[RICEY]

MITA, how unfortunate for you.

[Zuicider]

MITA, how unfortunate for you.

just as fucked as cci is it?

[Alt_F4]

i also had wtf?!? moment when browsing TAFE website

seems like the word TAFE is being phase out or replaced
Its more that around the world, no one knows what the fuck TAFE is, but say its an institute of technology, and suddenly everyone is knows what that is.

[RICEY]

just as fucked as cci is it?

Dunno, just know everyone thats come from mita to tafe has said its fucked and tafes way better.

[joshg123]

Dunno, just know everyone thats come from mita to tafe has said its fucked and tafes way better.

Doesnt matter because your sleeping anyway?

Why sleep, learn as much as you can and be better than all the other shit mechanics that are coming through the ranks. pingpingpingpings wanting $30 an hour but cant diagnose a fuel pump correctly, or asks what a A section belt is in comparison to a Rib belt, or cant solve half complex tasks.

The way they are doing it now is shit, lecturers giving the answers out when people dont know, learning the bookwork in a 3 week block on the subject then doing the test -its all fresh in your mind-. What happens 2 years down the track when youve treated tafe as a day off and just did what you needed to do to pass? Its shit because tafe doesnt seperate the best from the people that just scraped through, its pass/fail.

Not directed at you mark, just sick of dumass pingpingpingpings coming out of tafe calling themselves a 'qualified mechanic' but burst into tears if a timing chain comes off a car and there is no easy way to line it up, or cant adjust tappets on a 6cyl engine!!!

Dont just pass, be the best and it will reward you down the track

[RICEY]

You dont learn everything at tafe, you learn it by doing it. Ive passed all my exams easily but until I actually do the things ive learnt to do I havent learnt anyhting properly.

[joshg123]

Not everyone is in the position to learn by doing it though, dealerships and the autobahns and what not. Even some of the better smaller shops have boss's that insist a apprentice cleans for his first year, crock o shit

EDIT - Mark, out of interest, what kind of tasks do you get given on a day to day basis? Ie what would be a job that youd say is challenging in your workplace?

[RICEY]

Im lucky that my dealership gives me big jobs to do so i learn the stuff. :D

[joshg123]

See above edit

[RICEY]

Well at nissan i was doing tappets etc in my first year, now that im at holden and into my 3rd year im doing stuff like removing and stripping down farked engines and fitting it all to exchange motors and refitting (happens a lot with alloytec angines that have sludged), clutches, diff rebuilds, transmission are generally remove send away and refit dont do them in house, but mostly service work as thats what brings the money in...doing diagnostic work, about to move into the auto electrical section to get right into that... thats when things get tricky haha

[Zuicider]

aye learn what u can when u can. i guess i was lucky. i moved around after my time sampling bits and pieces and got to work in a range of fields till recession and personal matters hit.
alot of gimps think that by working on one piece of shit u cant work on another piece of shit due to a different make. its more like applying what u know mechanically in one area to applying the same commonsence in another section.
I was a machinist for my apprenticeship (heavy earth moving) and i got the chance to do work for some major companys in perth. out of my time i diversified. applied what i knew from that job and applied it in a totally different area. learnt as much as i could there and moved on again.

[joshg123]

Well at nissan i was doing tappets etc in my first year, now that im at holden and into my 3rd year im doing stuff like removing and stripping down farked engines and fitting it all to exchange motors and refitting (happens a lot with alloytec angines that have sludged), clutches, diff rebuilds, transmission are generally remove send away and refit dont do them in house, but mostly service work as thats what brings the money in...doing diagnostic work, about to move into the auto electrical section to get right into that... thats when things get tricky haha

What do you do to your diff's?

[RICEY]

What do you do to your diff's?

Mainly ones with bad backlash (common with VZ) or noisy, strip, send lsd away to get tightened up (if its lsd haha), new bearings etc then set up clearances and preload etc

[RICEY]

aye learn what u can when u can. i guess i was lucky. i moved around after my time sampling bits and pieces and got to work in a range of fields till recession and personal matters hit.
alot of gimps think that by working on one piece of shit u cant work on another piece of shit due to a different make. its more like applying what u know mechanically in one area to applying the same commonsence in another section.
I was a machinist for my apprenticeship (heavy earth moving) and i got the chance to do work for some major companys in perth. out of my time i diversified. applied what i knew from that job and applied it in a totally different area. learnt as much as i could there and moved on again.

Exactly, the basic principles are the same on all cars.

[mc68]

ive been qualified for a year now, and have had to look after a 1st year for about 10 months...

They dont teach them anything! He tells me he is up to the automatic unit at midland tafe...but says he's never been taught to use a helicoil (we do them alot)..changed the pads in a 4 pot caliper by undoing all of the long bolts that keep the two halfs together (sumitomo) thinking it was like a sliding caliper trying to lift the half up...lucky i saw him as he tried to put it back together not knowing the caliper had to be rebuilt.

fair enough you learn more at work...but wtf are they teach kids at tech?

[joshg123]

They tell, not teach.

$30 an hour mechanic didnt show up to work today, with an excuse of 'mate had a bad back' and didnt call to let us know because apparently i gave him the grill last time he called in sick.

Hes got his weeks notice and is gonna be looking for a new job.

Who's next in line? haha Cant find a good mechanic anywhere!

[2jzlux]

Who's next in line? haha Cant find a good mechanic anywhere!



Unfortunately its getting like that everywhere, nearly time to bail from this trade.
Would hate to see what its like in 5 years time.

[900]

P.S. Get into Midland TAFE, bulk hot hairdressers :D

enrolled today. already saw a few girlies there. can't wait to be the older pingpingpingping in the class of 16/17yr olds.

[900]

oh and how many days a week are we looking at here @ tafe? i'm doing full-time and have heard it's 2 and a half days a week?

[RICEY]

Not hard to fit in with the young dickheads if youre an immature old dickhead like me.

I do one full day a week.

[Zuicider]

so midland hasnt changed? it seems more times than not half of the turds there are doing it to get centerlink and dont give a real shit