Extended Trading Hours online petition

[R3N]

http://www.choiceatthecheckout.com.au/

Do it! Sick of the shops closing at 6pm on weeknights, and also the reason CostCo and Aldi's won't come to Perth

[MISS 13B]

I gave my support.
Highly doubt this pingpingpingping of a state will change though :(

[Sully]

got emailed this the other day. signed. i still don't get why so many people here are convinced that the state will be ruined if the shops stay open a little longer. the rest of the world manages to not implode.

too many dumb scared old pingpingpingpings.

[Ryan1080]

Used it yesterday.

Doubt it will help though. My local member is a liberal so will make no difference lol!

[Ryan1080]

got emailed this the other day. signed. i still don't get why so many people here are convinced that the state will be ruined if the shops stay open a little longer. the rest of the world manages to not implode.

too many dumb scared old pingpingpingpings.

Yep, that and DLS. Seems majority of WA is populated by retards...

[MISS 13B]

Nah there's just too many old people here.
The vast majority of DLS and extended trading hours supporters are younger.

[[FFOUR]]

I gave my support.
Highly doubt this pingpingpingping of a state will change though :(

Most girls find the word "c-u-n-t" offensive, you are obviously not one of them. :)

Carry on.

[RICEY]

Lets vote for more home invasions and bashing of the elderly then lol

[Sully]

so violence IS the key!

[Ryan1080]

I disagree :) , they are retards. Hearing the reasons for not having extended shopping hours is almost as funny/pathetic as anti-DLS arguments hehe. Somehow hundreds of cities around the world manage to have extended shopping hours, yet somehow Perth can't and needs to be different/backward... again.

I blame the Nationals mainly. None of these pingpingpingpings respresnt any of the metro seats in the parliament, only few country seats (which for the record all have extended trading), yet they butt into something they have no representation/business in and vote no. How come they don;t remove extended hours from country areas if it's so farken bad? IGA is one of their main donators, so that obviously explains it! Fuck IGA!

[MISS 13B]

;518825']Most girls find the word "c-u-n-t" offensive, you are obviously not one of them. :)

Carry on.
Haha I use the word a bit more than I should really :o
It gets used a lot while sitting behind right lane hoggers.

[Adr3naL1N]

yep too many old pingpingpingpings scared of change
just like DLS, not moving forward here in WA
and this weekend we get a reminder of just how far behind we are from the rest of the world when the eastern states click into DLS :(

[Mad_Aussie]

I sent it off in triplicate

[Bakerboy]

i dont want extended trading hours as im a baker at coles and it would just mean more work for me and and plus alot of the staff at my store have family's and this would mean spending less time with their kids but everybody is entiltled to their opinion

[RGVFAST]

cant they just employ people without jobs for the hours current employees dont want to work?

its win win for everyone

[Bakerboy]

cant they just employ people without jobs for the hours current employees dont want to work?

its win win for everyone

you think coles want to pay exrta money for casual staff rather then full timers

[Ryan1080]

i dont want extended trading hours as im a baker at coles and it would just mean more work for me and and plus alot of the staff at my store have family's and this would mean spending less time with their kids but everybody is entiltled to their opinion

How do bakers/retail staff manage in the eastern states? Or around the world for that matter? Serious question by the way.

[Ryan1080]

you think coles want to pay exrta money for casual staff rather then full timers

If it means more sales, yes.

[RGVFAST]

all works out even in the end without sick days/holiday pay and other perks full timers receive doesnt it?

[Mad_Aussie]

If you are on a full time contract it will not affect you unless you agree to change your hours. The 'oh i have to work more' is a redundant argument, not to mention a uselessly conservative point of view that just adds to the steaming pile of shit that this state is in.

[R3N]

casual staff get more money than permanent fulltime staff for a reason... what ross said

[Ryan1080]

If you are on a full time contract it will not affect you unless you agree to change your hours. The 'oh i have to work more' is a redundant argument, not to mention a uselessly conservative point of view that just adds to the steaming pile of shit that this state is in.

Exactly. It's the usual WA scaremongering bullshit. Seriously, how does the rest of Australia and the world do it then??? As if someone working full time now from 9 till 5 at coles, all of a sudden have to work 9 till 9 every day. Have these people heard of shifts?

[TJ]

Exactly. It's the usual WA scaremongering bullshit. Seriously, how does the rest of Australia and the world do it then??? As if someone working full time now from 9 till 5 at coles, all of a sudden have to work 9 till 9 every day. Have these people heard of shifts?

Shift work is proven to be negative to peoples mental and pyhsical health, along with damaging family life

Would you do it?

[Ryan1080]

Personally I woudln't mind alternating my hours here and there. But surely even if the current staff don't want to ever work past 5, coles and other shops will find staff who just happen to want to work after 5, such as students etc. Just look at hospitality workers, they work in the late arvo/evening hours anyway. This can be reserved for people who just happen to want/need a second job to boost their income or whatever, hence this has a good potential to create jobs. And that's without mentioning the social/tourism benefits on top of that.

[yeahlow34]

the steaming pile of shit that this state is in.

Who's holding a gun to your head to live in W.A? If you think it is, as you say, a "steaming pile of shit", then more fool you for living here. Pathetic statement.

There's valid arguments for and against this issue. Extra hours would probably make my life easier, but I don't live to shop. I have better things to do then worry about how my shopping needs are best addressed. So I couldn't give a flying fuck. Whatever best helps out middle to lower income earners (including business owners) would be my vote.

[Ryan1080]

What's a valid argument against?

They claim it helps poor independent stores stay in business (ie. IGA). Last time I checked IGA owners are multimillionaires (some are foreigners too), and the small local shops tend to shut at 5 anyway... who is it really helping? Only few. WHo is it disadvantaging? Many!

[Mad_Aussie]

Who's holding a gun to your head to live in W.A? If you think it is, as you say, a "steaming pile of shit", then more fool you for living here. Pathetic statement.


Put the pipe down. I'm not calling the state a pile of shit, but referring to the political and social climate of late. "just adds to the steaming pile of shit that this state is in". Don't quote me out of context, you just sound like a daft fuckwit.

Oh, wait.

[Volatile Rob]

Even with extended trading hours, you'll find it will only benefit grocery type stores such as the woolies and coles stores. As an example, a car audio or fashion type store isn't going to stay open any longer just in case a couple of extra customers decide to walk in. At JB Hifi, the stores are open to 6pm every night of the week, but after 5pm there are never any customers walking around.

Most shops like mine will still close at 5:30pm. We are finding that its hard enough getting people through the door during normal hours, now add a few extra hours onto the day and the same amount of people will just take longer to get to the store as there is no rush to get there anymore.

The other thing is that my costs to employ staff to cover the extra hours will also go up, meaning I will have to charge more to cover my costs, but nobody will want to pay the extra money, meaning I'll lose money or customers.

I honestly don't see the point of Extended trading hours... Not in Perth anyway. I am happy for it to still go through, but you'll find that most stores will not adopt it as the extra costs will not be worth it.

Rob

[Sully]

why can't we just have completely deregulated trading hours? shops open for the hours they deem fit. that makes more sense to me. it doesn't make sense for EVERY business to be open til the same time. some are smaller, some are larger. if you want your business to grow then you do what suits the customer best. if that means stay open later then you've gotta figure out how to make it work for you. the rest of the country makes it work, the small businesses didn't disappear.

as for lack of customers later in the day, thats because people don't want to go out to just the one shop that's open at the moment. people generally like to go to 2-3 places all in one go. if everything was open late then you'd have a lot more people coming in during the later hours. look at late night trading on thursdays at the moment. there's pingpingpingpings absolutely everywhere.

i used to work nightfill in a supermarket when DLS first came in. we ended up staying open for an extra hour just because people were still out and about in the sunlight. dls and extended trading hours kinda go hand in hand. everyone always goes by what the sun is doing when they're not at work.

[fourseven]

Fuck the arguments.

Generally, extended hours = more sales = more jobs = more competition = lower prices for the consumer.

/game over.

[Butcher]

why dont they try and compromise and add an extra 1 or two late night shopping days to the week.

And for the people that think its not going to be any different for fulltime coles/woolies employee's BS after your in the system for a certain amount of time you get roped into doing 55+ hour weeks for 42 hour pay. The big companys run their management and staff budgets so tight that there is more work than can be completed in a normal day so the poor managers get stiffed with the extra work that NEEDS to be completed before the next days trade can commence. Its a bloody tough job answering to regional/state and national managers as to why shit doesnt get done or why your staffing budget exceeds the set amount. I could go on for pages to how shit the job is and wouldnt recommend it to anyone that asked about the job.
If you go into that field stay a part-time employee dont become a manager its a much better lifestyle leaving at the time written on the board and sitting down for a beer with your mates than having to explain to to your bub/ friends that you wont be there because theres too much work to complete and dreading being back there in 6 hours.
\end rant, csb, whinger :slap:

[yeahlow34]

Put the pipe down. I'm not calling the state a pile of shit, but referring to the political and social climate of late. "just adds to the steaming pile of shit that this state is in". Don't quote me out of context, you just sound like a daft fuckwit.

Oh, wait.

Youre quotes there plain and simple, I didn't take it out of context.

Be more accurate with your statements friend :)

[Bakerboy]

why dont they try and compromise and add an extra 1 or two late night shopping days to the week.

And for the people that think its not going to be any different for fulltime coles/woolies employee's BS after your in the system for a certain amount of time you get roped into doing 55+ hour weeks for 42 hour pay. The big companys run their management and staff budgets so tight that there is more work than can be completed in a normal day so the poor managers get stiffed with the extra work that NEEDS to be completed before the next days trade can commence. Its a bloody tough job answering to regional/state and national managers as to why shit doesnt get done or why your staffing budget exceeds the set amount. I could go on for pages to how shit the job is and wouldnt recommend it to anyone that asked about the job.
If you go into that field stay a part-time employee dont become a manager its a much better lifestyle leaving at the time written on the board and sitting down for a beer with your mates than having to explain to to your bub/ friends that you wont be there because theres too much work to complete and dreading being back there in 6 hours.
\end rant, csb, whinger :slap:

mate you are 100% spot on thats exactly how its like at my work

[Ryan1080]

mate you are 100% spot on thats exactly how its like at my work

Is that what happens in the rest of Australia and around the world?

[Bakerboy]

Is that what happens in the rest of Australia and around the world?

yes and thats why majority of peole in wa dont wont that shit

[Miami]

Furthermore on extended trading, with regards to a referendum, 1) if you're not employed full-time and 2) dont live in the metro region, you shouldnt be allowed to have a vote.

1) if you're working shifts/part-time/causal then you have time to do your grocery/leisure shopping when you're not working. The major benefit for deregulated/extended trading hours is for those full-time workers who's hours are exactly the same as trading hours (ie 9-6). The only times these workers are able to do even basic groceries shopping is thursday nights, and saturdays.

2) If you live regional, then you already have deregulated/extended trading hours by default (including Rockingham/Mandurah).

I find it most interesting that the business/commercial interests most opposed and doing most of the scaremongering are those representing IGA - the one grocery company who already HAS extended trading hours.

The trading laws in this state are a joke. At 8pm on a Monday night, why is it that I can go and purchase a power-saw from Bunnings, or a carton of beer from a bottleshop, but I cant go to my local supermarket and buy a can of coconut milk that I've just realised I dont have while I'm trying to make dinner after work? My only option is the overpriced IGA store - who gets away with being overpriced because they're the only one open.

[Miami]

If you go into that field stay a part-time employee dont become a manager its a much better lifestyle leaving at the time written on the board and sitting down for a beer with your mates than having to explain to to your bub/ friends that you wont be there because theres too much work to complete and dreading being back there in 6 hours.

And in return you get holidays accrued, sick/leave days allowed, some sort of potential career progression pathway, potential training incentives from your employer, and in the instance of an economic downturn, a guaranteed income - instead of having your hours reduced/chopped and changed at short notice.

swings and roundabouts.

[Ryan1080]

yes and thats why majority of peole in wa dont wont that shit

Bullshit!

And majority of people who voted for it got brainwashed by IGA's monopolistic scaremongering propaganda.

I agree with Miami, it's hell annoying to be restricted for shopping only two days a week. That's fucked! I can't shop any other times coz I'm at work.

[Bakerboy]

Bullshit!

And majority of people who voted for it got brainwashed by IGA's monopolistic scaremongering propaganda.

I agree with Miami, it's hell annoying to be restricted for shopping only two days a week. That's fucked! I can't shop any other times coz I'm at work.

just like daylight savings this wont happen

[Alt_F4]

just like daylight savings this wont happen
But that's different, nobody wanted to see all their curtains fade

[Butcher]

1 company had to change its rules on accrued holidays because the ran the staff so short that they ended up owing 1000's of hours to management employee's and ended up cutting a payout deal for a fraction of the hours owed, with the staff well knowing in the time of the economic downturn that if they didnt agree. Knowing next performance assessment would be poor and they would be out of a job or their climb up the ladder would be halted. So now they offer the extra overtime shift as a separate casual paid job that you get taxed at a second job rate.

[Bakerboy]

if you work 9-6 and cant make it to coles or woolworths then you can order your grocery's online there problem solved

[fourseven]

if you work 9-6 and cant make it to coles or woolworths then you can order your grocery's online there problem solved

And have them delivered when? While I'm at work between 9 and 6? They don't deliver outside of business hours Monday to Friday.

Your comment is retarded.

[Ryan1080]

And have them delivered when? While I'm at work between 9 and 6? They don't deliver outside of business hours Monday to Friday.

Your comment is retarded.

LOL!!

Massive FAIL indeed!

So bakerboy, you're saying late night shopping on thursdays is also bad and should be abolished too yeah?

[Ryan1080]

just like daylight savings this wont happen

...because there's too many retards who have their brains washed very easily with illogical arguments for the benefit of select few.

[[SPESHAL]]

why dont they try and compromise and add an extra 1 or two late night shopping days to the week.

And for the people that think its not going to be any different for fulltime coles/woolies employee's BS after your in the system for a certain amount of time you get roped into doing 55+ hour weeks for 42 hour pay. The big companys run their management and staff budgets so tight that there is more work than can be completed in a normal day so the poor managers get stiffed with the extra work that NEEDS to be completed before the next days trade can commence. Its a bloody tough job answering to regional/state and national managers as to why shit doesnt get done or why your staffing budget exceeds the set amount. I could go on for pages to how shit the job is and wouldnt recommend it to anyone that asked about the job.
If you go into that field stay a part-time employee dont become a manager its a much better lifestyle leaving at the time written on the board and sitting down for a beer with your mates than having to explain to to your bub/ friends that you wont be there because theres too much work to complete and dreading being back there in 6 hours.
\end rant, csb, whinger :slap:

Get over it, how many people in the real world have to work more than the standard 40 hour week without the luxuries of time in lieu, overtime, etc? How many people in the real world have to answer to various managers who place certain expectations on them?

Just about every argument against extended trading hours is null and void. Arguments stating smaller retailers will go out of business, etc are all cop outs. If businesses are too inefficient to compete, then why SHOULD they be in business? I've lived in places with extended trading hours and you still see independents around, they just need to be smart and offer some form of competitive advantage, e.g. fresher fruit, cheaper produce, more convenience, etc. If Coles & Woolworths were that great then there would be no room for independents, but they aren't and won't be for a while, so you will not see independents fall like flies if trading hours are deregulated.

For those of us who work long / strange hours, the convenience of being able to purchase groceries whenever it suits is excellent. I don't think anyone is really arguing for the ability to purchase car audio as an example at 11 pm on a Monday night.

[Butcher]

Mon,Wed,Thur,Sat extended trading hours everyones happy and no more standing at the end of a mile long line at the shops on a thursday night

[Bakerboy]

LOL!!

Massive FAIL indeed!

So bakerboy, you're saying late night shopping on thursdays is also bad and should be abolished too yeah?

nope one night a week is fine but we dont need this every weeknight

[Butcher]

;519455'].

My argument isnt really relevant to this food debate as im in the liquor industry
as it was more directed at an argument raised earlier about full time employees getting taken for a ride atm. But either way what ever happens within 6 months everyone will be over it and it will be just like normal.

[Ryan1080]

nope one night a week is fine but we dont need this every weeknight

So, why do you think it is fine once a week? What is the benefit of having extended trading hours that one day? Not asking you about why one day, more about why extend those hours in the first place. Or perhaps rephrase that, would you consider it a good idea to abolish thursday night shopping altogether and close at 5pm every day? Why, or why not?

"this" being the madness of once a week late night shopping would not be occuring every night, because people going shopping would spread out over the week. There would be no more stressful choca-bloc human traffic in every isle, you wouldn't wait 30 minutes to get your groceries scanned, and staff woudln't be as stressed out dealing with so many pingpingpingpings in one evening

Think outside the squre, that's another logical argument for you to consider mate :)

[Fryman]

guys the arguilment is dusted. Give it approximately 20 more years for the babyboomers to die / their kids to put them into a retirement home. Perth is not going to change, and not one iota of even proactive lets get people talking about the issues will make an impact. In other countries that are a little more open minded about such things this sort of talk would actually fuel the call for change but not perth. The powers that be are very protective about their lifestyle and the way things should be done.

and before somebody quotes you want time buy the magazine, challenge it, piss into the wind, then go travel a little bit. you will see how the otherside lives

[Onijin]

Alternatively, move over east, where you don't have to put up with this shit. ;)

[adrenalin]

I think we should have it and as said shops themselves get to pick and choose.

I work at the movies which is open to 9am to midnight 7 days a week. We are staffed accordingly and all is hunky dorey.

We also do have lots of periods of times where you get 2 people through the door and it costs more to run the film then what they make but its all part of running the bussiness.

Fucking shits me to tears how fucking retarded this state is.

No Day light savings

No extended hours ( not saying im going to go to the shops every night or a sunday every week but having the option is nice )

No Motorsport events anymore

[Lonewolf]

its not WA, its Perth.
Shops in Karratha are open late every night (at least in the periods when i've been up there in summer), so its hardly an issue.

Shops that dont want to open, dont have to open.
Those that do, do.

I work long hours (eg 12 hours+ for the last 3 days), get home at 8pm, want to have something to eat and all the fucking shops are closed.

[Gladio]

Done it then. I hope this makes a diffrence..