car emissions?

[blownVL]

alright my mate just got yellow stickered on his vt senator, anyways he fixed everything he had to get done like quietened it down, raised it and few other bits and peaces. He left the cam in there but it sounded pretty standard like not loud at all, the pits picked him for the cam and told him he had to do a emissions test to see if its legal.

Anyways they said to him you have to go see kosteki's cause they got emissions tester, the price to get your car tested is 1500 plus $150 a/hr, or the is another place but cant remember the name which charges 3k.

Apparently its a new thing they got now so, now its pretty much worked out cheaper just to pull the cam out and replace it with standard cam, has anyone heard of this recently.

[Kilma]

Orbital is the other place. Check the IM240 emissions thread.

[blownVL]

cheers.

[AGIT8D]

Which pits he go to? Be handy for everyone else to know.

[luke20t]

throw out the list and go to another pit.
hopefully they dont have it recorded on their computer.
unlucky for them to pick the cam. did he deny it?

[DenZel]

pretty sure once you gone through one of the pits you have to stay with them.

[gav_wah]

how long has this been in for as when took my falcon over the pits they sit they didnt like the cam but no emission test just failed it, came back next day with stocker cam in it the original guy saw the car and didnt say a word just had a smile on his face.

car passed and have had no dramas since put the lumpy cam back in that arvo dumb kents

[DCIEVE]

how long has this been in for as when took my falcon over the pits they sit they didnt like the cam but no emission test just failed it, came back next day with stocker cam in it the original guy saw the car and didnt say a word just had a smile on his face.

car passed and have had no dramas since put the lumpy cam back in that arvo dumb kents

yep thats how it works

[colt75]

how quiet was the cam?
could you hear it sorta lumpy or something?

[gav_wah]

yeh its got some lope to it very doughy down low but with some new gears that should be fixed.

im happy with it.

[S133LTR]

I heard from KEC the other day that because ppl had been doing the old drivline/eng/cam/turbs/whatever swapparoo that once a car is yellow stickered and requires emmision test it must be performed regardless of what eng combo you present from then on!! no more need im240? swap out the modded drivetrain and go down show em a bunky stock one.. or so i was told this week.

[Sebdullah]

how long has this been in for as when took my falcon over the pits they sit they didnt like the cam but no emission test just failed it, came back next day with stocker cam in it the original guy saw the car and didnt say a word just had a smile on his face.

car passed and have had no dramas since put the lumpy cam back in that arvo dumb kents

been in effect since feb this year, b4 you could get away with just a standard 4/5 gas analyser test which was done with the car just sitting there now its apparently full blown dyno spec

[Rantopotamus]

put in high CFM cats!! Blown VE with standard cats passed this week! check the kostecki website for info.

[Rhys]

Mitch n debs clubby passed ages ago with a TT kit on it, so its not that hard to pass just expensive

[Drift_R32]

Mitch n debs clubby passed ages ago with a TT kit on it, so its not that hard to pass just expensive

yeh i dont think you realise just how much money went into making that legal..pretty sure it was done as a benchmark to show you could legalise twin turboed V8s.

when i ran my ute over last year the cam was shaking the car all over the place but never tested it, this is gonna cause major problems to many people as cams are as common as shit on LS1s etc

[blownVL]

put it this way what i find funny is, the pits where saying you know you need to go see kosteki like they said like they kind of have like something going on you know what i mean. If you where to get your car done at kosteki's you would have no problems over the pits because they will just fake the emissions test so another guy at the pits said.

The pits he went to was welshpool.

Also the car was very quiet, like yeh you probably could he a little bit of lumpyness but there was no note to the exaust at all sounded standard. What im worried about is if there starting to crack down on v8s with cams and stuff its going to be very costly.

[blownVL]

throw out the list and go to another pit.
hopefully they dont have it recorded on their computer.
unlucky for them to pick the cam. did he deny it?

yeh he just said he didnt know if it had a cam or not, its how he bought it.

[AGIT8D]

I heard from KEC the other day that because ppl had been doing the old drivline/eng/cam/turbs/whatever swapparoo that once a car is yellow stickered and requires emmision test it must be performed regardless of what eng combo you present from then on!! no more need im240? swap out the modded drivetrain and go down show em a bunky stock one.. or so i was told this week.

If I read this right what you're saying is that if I took my car to pits with yellow and they heard the lumpy 403 and said emissions test, then I went away, put LS1 back in, returned to pits, there would still be a requirement to have my stock LS1 tested at KEC?

[iluv2moan]

yeah of course... KEC didnt invest half a mill so people could avoid them by just switching back to a stock motor now would they?

also damo - what if u get a yellow sticker on a car that had already passed an emissions test but the pits were skeptical that u have modded car since and requested u get another one? that would be an interesting situation

only directing the question your way as i know your paranoid as fuck and have been doing th ering around :)

[Rantopotamus]

put it this way what i find funny is, the pits where saying you know you need to go see kosteki like they said like they kind of have like something going on you know what i mean. If you where to get your car done at kosteki's you would have no problems over the pits because they will just fake the emissions test so another guy at the pits said.

The pits he went to was welshpool.

Also the car was very quiet, like yeh you probably could he a little bit of lumpyness but there was no note to the exaust at all sounded standard. What im worried about is if there starting to crack down on v8s with cams and stuff its going to be very costly.

Number 1 pit inspectors were all checked up on and over 1000 cars were recalled as some were unfortunate enough to find out here so none of the pit guys are going to let a car threw cos you were nice to him. Its their lively hood and rent money.

Number 2 Id get your facts straight before posting on a public forum as what your implying is legally counted as fraud.

So instead of saying that someone told your mate something but you never heard it yourself which is incriminating towards any workshop id make sure your damn ready to back yourself up.


The mechanic / IM240 tester has spent over 2 full days at Kosteckis working on a series 6 rx7 this week and half the day today working off the clock to try get his car to pass for no other reason then he gives a shit and the guy needs it to pass for rego. No test is fucking faked.

If you want to get the pit inspectors name and ID number I will go ask him where he heard that myself.

[Lonewolf]

glad i swapped engines, nice idle/emissions cam down low, high end race cam up top.
Just set the MSS to not engage the high cam, change rev limiter and all set.

all the BS over kosteki's could be sorted out if another shop pulled their finger out and setup the testing stuff for competition purposes. Basic business that when someone has a monopoly, there will always be controversy

[S133LTR]

If I read this right what you're saying is that if I took my car to pits with yellow and they heard the lumpy 403 and said emissions test, then I went away, put LS1 back in, returned to pits, there would still be a requirement to have my stock LS1 tested at KEC?

In all the previous discussions I had with DPI tech this wasnt the case but when I spoke to KEC earlier this week I was told that due to various ppls actions in the lic/defect process this had been changed. So to answer your question according to what I was told yes. I havnt spoken to anyone at DPI to confirm/discuss this.

Ps chris, im not paranoid im just trying to build a legal street car.. and generally I dnt just ring around... time is money in business, if i want to speak to someone I call and politely ask when they can spare 5/10 mins to chat and then go see em, rather than expect free 'money' over the phne.

[blownVL]

Number 1 pit inspectors were all checked up on and over 1000 cars were recalled as some were unfortunate enough to find out here so none of the pit guys are going to let a car threw cos you were nice to him. Its their lively hood and rent money.

Number 2 Id get your facts straight before posting on a public forum as what your implying is legally counted as fraud.

So instead of saying that someone told your mate something but you never heard it yourself which is incriminating towards any workshop id make sure your damn ready to back yourself up.


The mechanic / IM240 tester has spent over 2 full days at Kosteckis working on a series 6 rx7 this week and half the day today working off the clock to try get his car to pass for no other reason then he gives a shit and the guy needs it to pass for rego. No test is fucking faked.

If you want to get the pit inspectors name and ID number I will go ask him where he heard that myself.

ay buddy thats what got said so leave it at that, you can believe or you can not, i dont believe it myself but ay who knows. So dont get up on your high horse buddy you know probaly as much as i do

cheers

ps; are you a cop

[S133LTR]

ps; are you a cop

lol:lol:

[Steppo_GT]

lol dan i bet the only place the pits knows it kosteki's so thats where they said to go. If you know any better why don't you tell us all where else we can go for the emissions test??

[blownVL]

orbital engineering
cheers

[iluv2moan]

Anyways they said to him you have to go see kosteki's cause they got emissions tester, the price to get your car tested is 1500 plus $150 a/hr


The mechanic / IM240 tester has spent over 2 full days at Kosteckis working on a series 6 rx7 this week and half the day today working off the clock to try get his car to pass for no other reason then he gives a shit and the guy needs it to pass for rego.

if those prices are correct. say an average day is 7 hrs. so 2.5 days = 17.5 hrs @ $150 an hr = 2650 + the initial $1500 + parts........(more then likely one of these 1000 dollar cats).......not to mention jobs still not finished

hmm

wont be long before pingpingpingpings are selling their houses to pay for cars rather then the other way round haha

[blownVL]

there the prices that got said, no he hasn't called kosteki's to find out a accurate quote, thats what MR pit man said, and mr pitman knows all "apparently"

[Rantopotamus]

high horse?

i know as much as you do?

I am pretty sure i know more than 90% of people in WA about emission testing because I speak to people every day about it.

I work at Kosteckis. I watch cars get emiision tested daily. Buy yeah you know as much as I do.

And the reason I thought id stick it to ya is because you posted something which you didnt hear... (Bullshit) and now you turn around and say ohh yeah i said it but I dont beleive it? So why fucking post it?

Like I said in the IM240 thread, I am learning more and more daily so any help feel free to ask. If anyone has any real proof about any ill deeds, bad work, or the likes from Kosteckis id like to hear it. But its always just rambling shit from people who heard something some guy said.

Jump on the bandwagon and blame someone you know nothing about. Seriously If any there is an issue just come into the shop and see for yourself. We are Narta approved which is a world standard and means we cant do anything wrong and all paper work is of a higher standard to most.

[Rantopotamus]

if those prices are correct. say an average day is 7 hrs. so 2.5 days = 17.5 hrs @ $150 an hr = 2650 + the initial $1500 + parts........(more then likely one of these 1000 dollar cats).......not to mention jobs still not finished

hmm

wont be long before pingpingpingpings are selling their houses to pay for cars rather then the other way round haha

your exactly right, but he wont get charged even half of that. showing once more Kostecki is not out to screw people over and the workers are blokes like you and I helping each other out.

Edited after re read post properly!

[iluv2moan]

hey dufus

since u work at the shop and talk to people everday and are pretty involved in the process etc etc

do u mind putting some of these myths to rest and say how much the tests cost.

is that 1500 + 150 hr correct or a really really rough estimate.

please dont say call up for a quote etc..........if this is going to be a government pushed emmission test, surely the prices will be published... much like everyone knows it will cost $85 (or whatever it is) for a 1st attempt pit inspection to get a yellow off

[blownVL]

ay mate thats what got said im just repeating to know if anyone had heard the same thing, also can you tell me the prices so i know if the guy was full of shit or spot on.

I didnt make this shit up this is what some one else has said and i wanted to know if it was true or not so you guys can turn the boost down and eaz up turbos alright fukn relax geeeeeez fukn menstral n shit

[evil1]

at the end of the day, he asked a serious question, he wanted to know if it was bullshit or not. so stop pissing in pockets and tell us if its true...since you work there and all

[Rantopotamus]

mate you accused a workshop of fraud... your lucky its just me who heard it and not the owner. you can go chill the fuck out.

and learn how to speak engrish.. your posts are like a 16yr olds on irc trying to pick up.

Pasted from KEC.com

IM240 Emissions Testing

Did you know that your insurance company will NOT know that your car is modified unless you notify them? In most cases if you do not tell them, your car MAY NOT BE INSURED!

From 2009, DPI will require certain vehicles to be IM240 Emissions Tested to show continued compliance with the Australian Design Rules after modification.
Kostecki Engine Centre can do emissions tests for:

* LPG Conversions
* Superchargers/Turbochargers
* Cylinder Head/Camshaft Kits
* Exhaust Systems
* All types of performance modifications!


Have an IM240 Emissions Test done at KEC and drive your performance vehicle with confidence!

Check out our links page for a list of DPI-accredited engineers and consultants, and for more information on the IM240 Emissions test, click here.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/ergoff/Faqa.htm

This tells you in a write up about the test.

I can tell you that your vehicle will be on for more than 3 minutes. It takes time to set the system up log in ect.. So there is a charge from the workshop on top of the test (hourly). If you want a test. 1 test and nothing else it will cost you between 300 - 900 (depending on your vehicle) plus labour costs (hourly), then you get a call and if it passed your good if not, then your up for the costs to fix it from your chosen workshop or on your own... but im pretty sure you wont want to pay for this test twice so while its on there depending on the levels we can advise of what to do and provide the work which will obviously be at an additional cost.

Now if it is more than a simple cat then we spend more time at it itll cost more. We cant guarantee you it will pass even with our recommendations. I am probably less well off than most off here and dread the thought of going through testing so I am all for assisting as much as I can.

As for getting researched info from any workshop to help you for free then good luck with that. IM240 test or any info for that matter, cam specs ect are not given away.

Andrew has got a good 3 months of research in and still we dont have the answer as this rx7 in this week has proven. IT came in obviously tuned by someone to try lower emissions lean as fuck but it was all wrong.. and without a cat. With a cat and a tune it was down to about 15% away but still after hours of work we couldnt get it right.

So not having a whinge or trying to clear my name as I have no need to... just giving you guys direct info on the struggles we go through.

All the boys including myself enjoy performance cars. The mechanics are top blokes and do their best to get positive results. My only beef has been hearsay or in antilag speak pingpingpingpings talking shit.

Feel free to PM me or contact me at work when you have to go through this. It is expensive ( for me $1000 is a lot ) and im sorry but there is no way around the costs. You can get a test and a few hours labour costs and a cat installed for the same costs orbital charges for one test.

Dont be suprised if you fail with a performance modded car, so far in my time only one car passed first go. And it was a car with a standard exhaust and an aftermarket blower.

Try get the best cats, without taking the piss even get 2 per pipe if you want. Im happy to help where I can but I will not listen to or stand for people talking shit about the company or people I work with.

[Rantopotamus]

at the end of the day, he asked a serious question, he wanted to know if it was bullshit or not. so stop pissing in pockets and tell us if its true...since you work there and all

This is what he wrote...

'put it this way what i find funny is, the pits where saying you know you need to go see kosteki like they said like they kind of have like something going on you know what i mean. If you where to get your car done at kosteki's you would have no problems over the pits because they will just fake the emissions test so another guy at the pits said."

there is no question in there. there is no seriousness.. its fucking the usual get on and talk shit chinese whispers. and I have posted in this thread and the im240 one that if you want to know something PM me... the people who are genuinely interested have done so. Now i know I havent given everyone what they want but I said I will try.

[blownVL]

oi papa smurf, oi my pocket got pissed in my apologies for that but i got told that and i believed it ok, but still that is not what i said ok that is WHAT I GOT TOLD, i didnt go saying that to people i wrote it on here to see if what i got told was true, yes i believed it.

that is the end of it ok if you want to go keep going on about it good on ya. As the above read it jerk off over it finger your pee hole i dont care but just remember it ok. I did believe what i got told it could be all rumours i really couldnt give a fuk, but yes that is the end of it ok.

cheers
anymore further comments pm me ok

[evil1]

too much to read, so how much does it cost?

[iluv2moan]

1 test and nothing else it will cost you between 300 - 900 (depending on your vehicle) plus labour costs (hourly)

this much

[evil1]

ta

[zeroyon]

Poor rotors and there emissions. Dufus didn't the factory rotors run the air con into the exhaust to pass emissions ?

Something I heard, could be net lies.

[BP-13B]

Poor rotors and there emissions. Dufus didn't the factory rotors run the air con into the exhaust to pass emissions ?

Something I heard, could be net lies.

They ran a seperate belt driven air pump from the factory, which pumped air into the cat from memory.
Removing the emissions crap is usually the 1st mod people do to there rotors

[AGIT8D]

Any news why it's more expensive to set up different cars as in IM240 thread? Appeared to be diff prices for 4cyl n/a, 4cyl turbo, 8cyl etc... It's all same same back it up on dyno and fire up the car?

[AGIT8D]

They ran a seperate belt driven air pump from the factory, which pumped air into the cat from memory.
Removing the emissions crap is usually the 1st mod people do to there rotors

IM240 measures normal air levels too though I think so if oxygen levels are too rich in the test it'll fail?

[Frenchy]

alright my mate just got yellow stickered on his vt senator, anyways he fixed everything he had to get done like quietened it down, raised it and few other bits and peaces. He left the cam in there but it sounded pretty standard like not loud at all, the pits picked him for the cam and told him he had to do a emissions test to see if its legal.

Anyways they said to him you have to go see kosteki's cause they got emissions tester, the price to get your car tested is 1500 plus $150 a/hr, or the is another place but cant remember the name which charges 3k.

Apparently its a new thing they got now so, now its pretty much worked out cheaper just to pull the cam out and replace it with standard cam, has anyone heard of this recently.

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediafiles/lic_ib_124a_changes_to_emission_testing_light_vehi cles.pdf

[Lonewolf]

well that PDF explains the regs pretty clearly.
Looks like anyone with an aftermarket ECU will be targetted, same with anyone with a non OEM exhaust.

Kostecki's will be busy!

If you happen to get stickered, get the IM240 test done (at your costs), then get stickered again, you have to pay again I presume.
Pretty shitty really.

[Drift_R32]

great....for many people a yellow is going to cost a FUKN shitload more then usual. and in the end..theres what? 2 workshops that are going to benifit from it unless some more wise up and setup their shop to accomodate for test also. not to mention theres going to be a serious wait to get the tests done as the mentioned workshops arent exactly lacking business.

when i get told someone by a pit inspector whos supposed to be in the know about laws and how shit works when it comes to legalising cars id believe him too to an extent.. incase anyone has forgotten they are who has the power to remove your yellow sticker.

[BP-13B]

These standards refer to the Australian Design Rules (ADRs), which are the national standards applying to vehicles at the time of manufacture and are administered by the Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government.


So you must meet emision level at the time of your vehicles manufacture?
So say a pre 1980's car would have an easier time than new cars?
Was there even emission targets in WA back in the 70's

[ovaxitd]

what would happen if you went to get yellow cleared and they requested the test.... let your yellow expire then say 2 weeks later go to get it licenced?? rip your yellow off the screen as its expired anyway and go to different pits and try your luck??

[Alt_F4]

well that PDF explains the regs pretty clearly.
Looks like anyone with an aftermarket ECU will be targetted, same with anyone with a non OEM exhaust.
Ah me soon to be Nistuned ecu + Nissan Motorsports catback... OEM ftw :D

[Lonewolf]

$2k exercise if you get an annoyed cop who "thinks" your car may be illegal. Nice!

[Rantopotamus]

ill try find out the levels ect but yeah there is 3 levels 1970 to 1986 then the other 2 are broken up.. not sure right now will suss ...

blown VL, its ok mate i just didnt appreciate the comments. No personal attacks meant. Like i said people Im just like you lot and when you get into the shit give me a call and i will talk you through it. Not interested in the politics and have no real pull on any of it though...

gd luck with your mates car

[S133LTR]

Dufus sussing out those 3 levels would be awsome..

Im running 93 running gear and Ive been trying to work out how far/late that bracket goes, Ive got the full ADR design rules for the im240 sitting hear but they are extremely difficult to understand.. Hoping i'll be cut off well before 2000 with the 93 gear??

[Drift_R32]

nearly every R32/180/silvia shitter running rich as fuk could be targeted..even with stock computer and boost and fukt 02 your pretty much fukt.

[BP-13B]

So if you have an import with condition 301 on the rego papers you don't should not have to worry about this then?

Conditions: 301 Imported vehicle - exempted from the Australian Design Rules and from the fitment of a compliance plate.

[blownVL]

ill try find out the levels ect but yeah there is 3 levels 1970 to 1986 then the other 2 are broken up.. not sure right now will suss ...

blown VL, its ok mate i just didnt appreciate the comments. No personal attacks meant. Like i said people Im just like you lot and when you get into the shit give me a call and i will talk you through it. Not interested in the politics and have no real pull on any of it though...

gd luck with your mates car

nah you right mate, i might shoot you a pm soon to see what your advice/opinions would be on the matter
cheers

[joshg123]

So if you have an import with condition 301 on the rego papers you don't should not have to worry about this then?

Conditions: 301 Imported vehicle - exempted from the Australian Design Rules and from the fitment of a compliance plate.

Please elaborate?, Neither my race car or road car have compliance plates and both are on full road rego, road was a personal import, race car has no plate whatsoever just an extended chassis number

[Rantopotamus]

id like to know more about this also...

and if anyone knows about transfering cars over states if they havent been regoed in 2+ years...

Last time I took my torana they asked for proof of purchase.. I gave the guy some cash and drove the car unregoed with a permit to tnt in queensland. i never followed it up but im fucked if i have the guys details now.?

[BP-13B]

On the rego papers towards the bottom, it has that line written.
I can scan it tonight and show you if you like.

Dufus all you need is a letter saying that the previous owner sold you the car, does not have to go into details, as it is unregistered there will be no record of who owned it in WA. So how you actually obtain that letter and who writes it for you is up to you if you know what I mean

[Rantopotamus]

agh ok... sounds easy but dodgy! cheers