Licence

[Niva]

It crossed my mind today,to drive a big bike, you have to have a big licence. Why cant this be the same for cars?

P plater, no expirience, wants to buy a 300hp silvia, parents say thats ok. next thing hes run his ass of the road becouse he has no idea how to drive a car with power, or how to handle one when it becomes slippy,


why cant we indtorduce a system were, you get your licence, you can drive up to say 2.0l, pay to go on a course to handle more and your aloud to. It makes no sense why this isnt the same for cars as it is bikes. as it stand your parents could be rich as all fuck, you get your licence and you can buy a 600hp supra (stock internals) and there is no problem with you driving it everyday.



why are rich idiots aloud to pilot unlimited HP cars on the same road my mum is on picking up my brother.

[Tocchi]

because a NA 4.0L falcon with 190kw (fly) will be a LOT safer than a excel, when it comes to a crash that is.

any car can speed. sure a modified one would be more a handful, but seriously, how many kids actually get that hypo car for a First car... not many. parents are not stupid.

saying that, i have noticed the "p platers" that have those nice cars for first cars are generally 2 forms of nationality. enough said on that matter i guess


but yeh, id prefer my kid (dont have one, hypothetical) to be in a new aussie car (falcodore camry etc) with good star ratings (eg: FGs have 5 stars) with 200kw at engine, so like 180rwhp compared to an old shitbox that gives them no protection in the event of a (standard everyday speed) crash

[fsbk]

bikes are inherently a lot more dangerous than cars because they offer hardly any protection to the rider, also the power to weight ratios are a lot higher on bikes. that being said vic, qld and nsw have laws at the moment that prevent P platers from owning forced induction cars and any car with 8 or more cylinder. so basically wa is behind in the times.

[RMX]

bikes are inherently a lot more dangerous than cars because they offer hardly any protection to the rider, also the power to weight ratios are a lot higher on bikes. that being said vic, qld and nsw have laws at the moment that prevent P platers from owning forced induction cars and any car with 8 or more cylinder. so basically wa is behind in the times.

The rules in Victoria are pathetic, at best.

They ban P Platers driving any forced induction vehicle, as well as "high perfrmance V6s".


Heres a couple of quotes from GoAuto:

"However, cars like the C180 and the 120kW Audi A4 1.8T, which have cutting-edge safety equipment, are among those that have been swept up in the legislation while the likes of the VW Golf R32, Audi A3 3.2 quattro and Alfa Romeo 147 GTA – each of which produce 184kW from V6 engines – have slipped through the net."

"Meanwhile, the Honda S2000 sports car – a car that can be challenging to drive and was banned under the previous 125kW-per-tonne power-to-weight ratio rule – is now allowed because it only has a four-cylinder engine, albeit one that develops 176kW and revs to 9000rpm."

The rules are made by idiots and ban some of the safest cars money can buy, But lets P Platers behind the wheel of a 147 GTA so they can torque steer into a tree.

[Bakerboy]

A few months back i was at the servo and seen 2 young guys in a brand new VE GTS and had P plates on it now no way in hell he wld be able to handle that car hes' what maybe driven for a year max

[mr_mike]

It crossed my mind today,to drive a big bike, you have to have a big licence. Why cant this be the same for cars?


It just crossed ur mind today? Have u totally missed all the vehicle restriction discussions that come up on both here on the forums and in the media everytime some dickhead p plater thinks they are better than they are and totals there new V8 or turbo car.

[fsbk]

yeah the rules are a bit of a band-aid solution to make it look like steps are being made to curve the deaths of young drivers. i feel that all drivers should be made to complete advance driving courses (ahg courses) and instead of being made to parallel park and reverse park and all the other non-sense learner drivers are put through to get their licence, maybe they could be taught skills that are relevant to actually being a safe driver.

finland has one of the best driver training courses i've read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_Finland

[evil1]

A few months back i was at the servo and seen 2 young guys in a brand new VE GTS and had P plates on it now no way in hell he wld be able to handle that car hes' what maybe driven for a year max

but dont forget the car may go fast, but its made to go fast, brakes are bigger rarara.
lets say a normal eb falcon, will get up to 160, but what if he suddenly needs to stop hard, brakes wont be as good.
its a battle that both sides will win kinda thing.
so its a neutral thing hahaha

[MMM]

Only 3% of car accidents that cause death caused by 17-25 yr olds are in high performance cars... Its hardly worth worrying about

[ED40]

How do you know the p-plater in the VE GTS hasn't done go-karting or speedway or formula ford? Which would make him be able to handle the car alot better then joe public. Although there would be a very low amount of p-platers who would be in that category with that experience. The majority have NO FUCKEN CLUE.

Yes I am taking a swipe at most P-platers, I see them do dumb and risky shit every day. Only this arvo in peak traffic on the freeway at 4pm, stupid p plater female cutting through traffic then goes over the large lines, BACK ONTO THE ONRAMP and jumps about 5 cars only to merge back in again.. What a retard! Clearly she has no idea that buy pulling off that stupid move she has done her bit to effect the traffic flow and fuck it up for everyone else behind her.

I think its a good idea to limit the power of p-platers. Boohoo if you can't have a powerful car for the first couple of years. I still had shitloads of fun in my first car (corona-wet laps etc). It also means if you drive a shitter for a year or two, you can SAVE up for a nice car, EARN the money instead of going to the bank for a loan!!!

For the p-platers that do the right thing, too bad, too many pingpingpingpings have ruined it for you.

[duste]

Introduce P-plate laws all you want, I'm off mine soon. :)

[Joe]

Introduce P-plate laws all you want, I'm off mine soon. :)

http://www.noobstore.com/prodimages/sign-gtfo-400.jpg

[Darklove]

that sign doesn't pull any punches

[RMX]

nor should it.

Seriously,

Ban him.

[Butcher]

A few months back i was at the servo and seen 2 young guys in a brand new VE GTS and had P plates on it now no way in hell he wld be able to handle that car hes' what maybe driven for a year max

Ive seen that car i just shook my head

[HomeDawwg]

See when i was a p-plater i thought yeh id be right, i can handle a high powered car (as the eastern states call it). I did some stupid things and they would have turned out 10X worse had it been in a car with more power, no question about it.

Now that i have something with a bit more power (Aristo, stock bar exhaust so not exactly high power, but you get the idea) i realise just how much difference it can make, and how things could have gone very wrong if i wasnt experienced in "driving" like i am now.

I properly thought out ruling on "high power", something like power to weight would be much better along with more driver training like ahg. Ive done a defensive driving course and it certainly gives you a much better understanding of things.

[TJ]

Guns dont kill people, people kill people.

Replace that with car and youve got the idea. It all comes down to attitude and responsibility. Lack those, and youll kill yourself in a VK Commodore or a 1000hp GTR.

[yeahlow34]

600hp supra (stock internals)

Running big single, or smaller twins?

Assuming stock injectors of course.

[Rantopotamus]

i pretty much said the same thing NIVA like a year ago and have been repeating myself since.. obviously to eveyrone thinking it wont change or help shit there should be speed limiters ect until you get you big license.. The p platers should just have them for a year then have to do further driver training to have a car over a certain HP or power to weight ect... you can smooth out the small issues so all you picky bastards are happy..

im all for doing one and love to have runs but I pay $200 for feul trailer hire ect ect to get my car to kwinana to do the right thing. It sucks arse that p platers or drivers with no real feel or idea how to handle a car go out there and when push comes to shove or they get themselves in a situation they cant get out of it...

it all comes down to people who crash or drive fast or have a shiny car or have a loud exhaust = HOON.

U could then start arguing thats why we have engineering and pits for cars to be sufficient ect.. people shouldnt do dodgy engine upgrades ect ect...

[bulkos]

A few months back i was at the servo and seen 2 young guys in a brand new VE GTS and had P plates on it now no way in hell he wld be able to handle that car hes' what maybe driven for a year max

there was a guy around the corner (i think he worked on the mines and was livin at home) p plater who had a new ve clubby, lasted a couple of months before we saw it out the front of his place as a write off with the whole front end lookin like a bashed crab ...... waste of a car