Bus lane penalty

[Adam]

Does anyone know if theres a penalty $x and demerit points for driving in the bus lane?.. I can't find it anywhere on the roads sites in the pdf brochures and such..
Cheers

[[Jacek]]

Had a bit of a search and couldnt find anything but this

http://www.officeofroadsafety.wa.gov.au/documents/speed2007-ors.mpg

[[Jacek]]

ok here we go

133. Bus lanes
A person shall not drive a vehicle along or into a bus lane
unless —
(a) the vehicle is a public bus, an emergency vehicle or a
special purpose vehicle; or
(b) the driver is permitted to do so under regulation 136.
Points: 3 Modified penalty: 2 PU

1 PU (Penalty unit) = $50

So $100 and 3 points :idb:

http://www.mainroads.wa.gov.au/UsingRoads/HeavyVehicles/Pages/UsefulLinks.aspx
Open "Road Traffic Code 2000"
Page 173 onwards of the pdf


Did you get done Adz? let me guess...Beaufort St?

[Adam]

Thanks, spot on
Yes, pingpingpingping fuckers,.. 3 points, $100
Thought 3 points was way to steep... considering you can speed , what , up tp 20kmh and its only 2 points?
And my story to the slut cop was I was keeping left, and doing 50kmh.. and still pinged me.. I will just take it on the chin.

Thx jack smith.

[Adam]

Yeh beaufort street, just near bunnings heading towards city this morning.
Highway patrol sitting in a side street, an entire queue of cars behind me, and they only wave me to pull over.
Lady cop wasnt to happy when I was counting the amount of cars passing by in the bus lane when she was writing me up. Hope she has a good day, slut.

[[Jacek]]

haha yep i've seen them there before

further down the legislation it mentions that you can be in the bus lane for 100m if you are overtaking someone turning in the right lane - keep that in mind for next time haha

[fsbk]

would be decent if we could introduce a car pool lane on the freeway in perth. just about every car on the freeway in peak hour has one person in it.

[INSINR8R]

I got done on South St last year. Resulted in $150 and 3 points, and a smashed windscreen (was in the work van, got angry)

Gotta be careful now, they're starting to crack down harder on people who drive in Bus Lanes between the times posted on the signs.

[Ryan1080]

Just drive with your indicatror on, then you can claim none of the pingpingpingpings wanted to let you in haha.

[[FFOUR]]

would be decent if we could introduce a car pool lane on the freeway in perth. just about every car on the freeway in peak hour has one person in it.

Yeah works well in the US.

Problem here is that we have so many idiots on the roads that people would use the car pool lane regardless of whether they have passengers or not.

[EL BURITO]

I agree with that one, if you travel in the carpool lane in LA with out 2 or more people its like $250 USD fine, but it would clear up the fwy a bit, the people travelling on there own would be more likely to get the train

[EL BURITO]

I got done on South St last year. Resulted in $150 and 3 points, and a smashed windscreen (was in the work van, got angry)

Gotta be careful now, they're starting to crack down harder on people who drive in Bus Lanes between the times posted on the signs.

there always hiding along there in the morning and still so many people get done. least they don't have cameras for it like in the UK for there bus lanes

[hoony]

a question for all you guys;

you know on Freeway South heading into the City, there is a massively long Bus Lane then eventuates into a normal lane once you pass the City Centre and head into Freeway North?

anyway, i hopped into the Bus Lane and then all of a sudden, a driver put his arm out of the car and pointed at my car, then another Commodore (VZ shape) came zooming up my ass, i was doing the speed limit and they were going savagely fast (probably 140km/h) and by this time, the Bus Lane i was in had turned into a normal lane...

now i had a crazy woman next to me that said she was going to give me a ticket for driving the the Bus Lane, then i said to her, 'well i'll get you a ticket for speeding and being a hoon!' at this time my girlfriend thought this lady was a crazy bitch, then she said again that she would give me a ticket, so i called her a crazy bitch, then she whipped out a WA Police badge and showed me (this all happened within 15 seconds) and i was stunned, she had three little kids in the back and her car wasn't a cop car, it was her personal car and obviously she wasn't on duty...

now i know that if you assault a Police Officer while they're off duty and KNOW they're a Police Officer you would get charged with Special Assault, however if you DIDN'T know they were a cop it would just be assault...

now when they're off duty however, are they allowed to book people and write tickets?

after she gave me that mouthful she just sped off which left me and the girlfriend extremely confused

any words fellas?

[kiasu]

fkn LOL. i always get into that lane...people are always like wtf then they realise.../facepalm. what gets me is that some kent points the finger at you..haha, your plates dont help your cause either

[EL BURITO]

now when they're off duty however, are they allowed to book people and write tickets?


I believe that they are, and if any one is ever following you home go for a long drive before yo get out the car

[Joe]

That bus lane on the Narrows angers me, because as soon as it turns into a normal lane, all the fucking pleb drivers automatically pull into it and do the speed limit.

It's like Perth drivers are drawn towards the far right lane, no matter where they are driving. WTF is with that!?

[TJ]

Yeah works well in the US.

Problem here is that we have so many idiots on the roads that people would use the car pool lane regardless of whether they have passengers or not.

They have a couple heading into/out of Brisbane on the main freeway.

I drove down it 4 times in 8 days during peak hour, and every time there would be a cop car sitting around.. no doubt picking up those who wernt sposed to be in it.

[coFF33]

Just drive with your indicatror on, then you can claim none of the pingpingpingpings wanted to let you in haha.


hahahaahah

gonna do that from now on !!!
10 mins ealier to work from now on ! :D

fuck yeah !

[Alt_F4]

Yeah works well in the US.

Problem here is that we have so many idiots on the roads that people would use the car pool lane regardless of whether they have passengers or not.

I remember seeing some funny shit about people over in the US putting blow-up dolls or dressing up there pet dog etc in the passanger seat to pretend they had more than one person in the car so they could use the car pool lane.


That bus lane on the Narrows angers me, because as soon as it turns into a normal lane, all the fucking pleb drivers automatically pull into it and do the speed limit.

It's like Perth drivers are drawn towards the far right lane, no matter where they are driving. WTF is with that!?
Im the opposite, Im one of those arseholes that stays in the middle and cuts thru the merge road, the quickly merges right on the other side.

[V70R]

That bus lane on the Narrows angers me, because as soon as it turns into a normal lane, all the fucking pleb drivers automatically pull into it and do the speed limit.

It's like Perth drivers are drawn towards the far right lane, no matter where they are driving. WTF is with that!?

Exactly ! Even when there isn't a car in front of them.

Today i was behind a stupid Honda accord doing 60 as it merged onto the freeway from the Leach Hwy Onramp. Stupid driver clearly couldnt care about anyone behind him as he was fiddling with a mobile phone and the massive turbine wrapped around his head. Stupid old puppadum

[fsbk]

another thing that works really well in the US and in sydney is being able to make a left hand turn at a traffic light when the light is red, you just treat it like a stop sign. something else that would be decent would be the "flow of traffic" law, where you are to match the speed of all other motorist. for example the speed limit is 100, if no one else is on the road you do 100 but if there are other cars on the road you must do the same speed as those cars. it sounds dangerous but it actually works really well for keeping the traffic flowing in LA when i lived there.

[EL BURITO]

another thing that works really well in the US and in sydney is being able to make a left hand turn at a traffic light when the light is red, you just treat it like a stop sign. something else that would be decent would be the "flow of traffic" law, where you are to match the speed of all other motorist. for example the speed limit is 100, if no one else is on the road you do 100 but if there are other cars on the road you must do the same speed as those cars. it sounds dangerous but it actually works really well for keeping the traffic flowing in LA when i lived there.
its a fantastic law that makes a lot of sence.

if every one is doing the same speed there are not dip shits getting in the way of things and the coppers don't have a thing to say about it.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f95/WA04SXi/speed.jpg

travelling back to LA from Vagas

[Pav]

if you travel in the carpool lane in LA with out 2 or more people its like $250 USD fine

Reminds me of that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where Larry David hires a hooker to ride with him in the car, so he can take the carpool lane and be on time to a baseball game haha!

[fsbk]

haha its an awesome law, we were doing 140 next to a cop in a 100 zone, not a problem...

[Pete]

They have a couple heading into/out of Brisbane on the main freeway.

I drove down it 4 times in 8 days during peak hour, and every time there would be a cop car sitting around.. no doubt picking up those who wernt sposed to be in it.

Yep, the ones in Brisbane work heaps good. They have them on the bridges going through the city, and then on the motorways.. They are excellent.

[fourseven]

nthen she whipped out a WA Police badge and showed me (this all happened within 15 seconds) and i was stunned, she had three little kids in the back and her car wasn't a cop car, it was her personal car and obviously she wasn't on duty...

now i know that if you assault a Police Officer while they're off duty and KNOW they're a Police Officer you would get charged with Special Assault, however if you DIDN'T know they were a cop it would just be assault...

now when they're off duty however, are they allowed to book people and write tickets?

after she gave me that mouthful she just sped off which left me and the girlfriend extremely confused

any words fellas?

If you assault a Police officer while they are off duty, regardless of whether you know they are a Police officer or not, you would still get charged with "Assaulting a public officer" - they don't stop becoming a public officer just because they are off duty. This goes for a range of other public officers as well, not just cops.

Off duty they can do the same things they can do while on duty. Cops are never really 'off duty' in the sense that their powers aren't limited to 9-5 or for their shift time.

[hoony]

i'm pretty sure you will only get done for assault if you didn't know

and if you did then you get done for serious assualt... well i learnt this in my crim law unit last semester at uni... it's backed up by case law...

i don't want this to turn into an argument or disagreement so i'll stand by what i said but i'm not in the mood to bring out the case and blabber on...

anyway, i still haven't received the ticket and it's been two months

should i have received the letter already? (i'm assuming so)

[mitchy]

lol... why bother asking a question, if you claim you already know the answer and won't listen to anyone elses?

:dunno:

[hoony]

lol maybe the letter takes more than 2 months to come out

and i never claimed to know any answer? i claimed the assault but that's got nothing to do with my bus lane incident

let me re-phrase my question;

does anyone know (if i haven't received the letter yet after two months) if i will end up receiving anything in the mail... ie. has it happened to anyone else before? i imagine it hasn't though as i assume it isn't a common occurrence

there you go lol

[fourseven]

i'm pretty sure you will only get done for assault if you didn't know

and if you did then you get done for serious assualt... well i learnt this in my crim law unit last semester at uni... it's backed up by case law...

i don't want this to turn into an argument or disagreement so i'll stand by what i said but i'm not in the mood to bring out the case and blabber on...

anyway, i still haven't received the ticket and it's been two months

should i have received the letter already? (i'm assuming so)

Ok, let me rephrase so perhaps you understand a bit better...

The LEGISLATION surrounding the assault of a public officer is simple. If you assault someone who is employed, and protected, as a public officer, whether you knew it or not, you will be charged with assaulting a public officer.

The only difference between knowing they are a public officer or not, and whether they are on duty or not is the penalty you will face. Knowingly assaulting a public officer comes under the recent changes where you face upto 14 years in prison if the public officer is "performing a function of his office or employment". Regardless, the charge will still be the same.

As for the letter I doubt you will get one. The Police officer in question had probably had a bad day and was showing her disgust. She is not required to write an infringement on the spot but I'm sure she had better things to do then worry about your bullshit.

:flipa:

[BOSS 290]

Yeh beaufort street, just near bunnings heading towards city this morning.
Highway patrol sitting in a side street, an entire queue of cars behind me, and they only wave me to pull over.
Lady cop wasnt to happy when I was counting the amount of cars passing by in the bus lane when she was writing me up. Hope she has a good day, slut.

Take it to court. Argue you did not have enough room to merge right, and rather than coming to a complete stop, holding up all the traffic behind you to wait for the right lane to clear you continued on.

You'd have a good chance of beating the charge. Magistrates will side with common sense.

[Maxi]

If you assault a Police officer while they are off duty, regardless of whether you know they are a Police officer or not, you would still get charged with "Assaulting a public officer" - they don't stop becoming a public officer just because they are off duty. This goes for a range of other public officers as well, not just cops.

Bus drivers are public officers. So if one of them is 'off duty' and you assault them, whats the charge then????

Of course there has to be some knowledge that the person was a public officer....i.e. uniform or verbal declaration. You don't get special assault charges simply due to employment preference. e.g. I am an Ambulance Officer so if anyone ever assaults me, then they are charged with Assault P.O..... I don't think so.

[fourseven]

Bus drivers are public officers. So if one of them is 'off duty' and you assault them, whats the charge then????

Of course there has to be some knowledge that the person was a public officer....i.e. uniform or verbal declaration. You don't get special assault charges simply due to employment preference. e.g. I am an Ambulance Officer so if anyone ever assaults me, then they are charged with Assault P.O..... I don't think so.

Bus drivers do not fall under the "Public Officer" banner in this instance.

Those who do: Police officers, FESA/SES/VMRS employees, anyone working in a hospital (or in the course of providing a health service to the member of the public), anyone providing court security services or custodial services and any employee of a prison... and yes, lastly ambulance officers.

It would be upto the Police officer on the scene what charges to lay but for the simplest example if someone assaults an off duty Police officer having dinner with his family at a restaurant the person can be charged with assaulting a public officer.

[Sevan]

Public officers are also people in charge of operating a vehicle for transporting the public. so it's a Serious Assault to attack a bus driver, train driver and I think it can be stretched to include taxi drivers as well.

I'm pretty sure a police officer maintains their powers of arrest while off duty (greater than normal citizens arrest) but they can't issue tickets or little crap when not in uniform and on shift. They don't have the authority, paperwork or the second officer to back up their story should it go to court.

99% certain you won't be getting a fine dude. The difficulties involved in proving it was your car, at that time, driving in that lane, with you behind the wheel, to a court when all the evidence is presented by someone who pulled up next to you and started screaming then drove off. Nothing was recorded officially, deny everything.

She just wanted to put the frighteners on you. sounds like it worked

[fourseven]

Public officers are also people in charge of operating a vehicle for transporting the public. so it's a Serious Assault to attack a bus driver, train driver and I think it can be stretched to include taxi drivers as well.

I'm pretty sure a police officer maintains their powers of arrest while off duty (greater than normal citizens arrest) but they can't issue tickets or little crap when not in uniform and on shift. They don't have the authority, paperwork or the second officer to back up their story should it go to court.

99% certain you won't be getting a fine dude. The difficulties involved in proving it was your car, at that time, driving in that lane, with you behind the wheel, to a court when all the evidence is presented by someone who pulled up next to you and started screaming then drove off. Nothing was recorded officially, deny everything.

She just wanted to put the frighteners on you. sounds like it worked

Under the Criminal Code bus and train drivers are considered public officers along with every bean counter who works for a government department and local shire. They don't come under the same banner when talking about Assaulting a Public Officer however. Maximum penalty for assaulting the people I mentioned above is 14 years with a minimum mandatory jail term. This isn't the same for bus and train drivers and the bean counters, where people face a maximum of 10 years with no minimum mandatory jail term.

And now the face palm. You have a severe lack of understanding how the Police works. All Police officers take an oath to uphold the law and enforce legislation when they are sworn in. This oath doesn't expire just because they are off duty. Anything a Police officer is authorised to do during a shift they can also do while off duty. This includes issuing infringements, arresting you, stopping vehicles with suspicion... the list goes on.



The difficulties involved in proving it was your car, at that time, driving in that lane, with you behind the wheel, to a court when all the evidence is presented by someone who pulled up next to you and started screaming then drove off. Nothing was recorded officially, deny everything.

Proving it was him, in his car committing the offense is not up to the officer in question, it is up to the Police prosecution team. Sure the officer will likely be called to court and if the prosecution team don't reasonably suspect a conviction they will withdraw the charges. However, let's look at your statement:

The difficulty in proving it was his car and at that time? Recording the registration and time of offense of the vehicle of interest is sufficient for an infringement. There is no difference between this and what a Police officer wearing a uniform while driving a Police vehicle with pretty blue and red lights would do. She is still a cop, with the same powers having taken the same oath.

The most accurate thing in your post is the likelihood of him receiving the infringement which means these posts are redundant.

/emo

[Sevan]

The difference between an on-duty police officer and an off-duty police officer is paper.

An off-duty officer doesn't have an infringment book in their glove box to record and issue and infringement. If you get pulled over and issued a speeding fine, you get a copy of the fine, as do they. An off-duty officer can't do this.

The majority of cops will consider the likely chances of a charge being upheld in court when issuing it. The police prosecutor has to prove it in court but if he gets a bunch of nightmare cases lacking in credible evidence, guess who's going to get yelled at.

and for the difficulty recording plates and driver description, I was just considering that it was a screaming woman trying to drive a car full of kids on the freeway. The odds of her having a pen and paper handy to write everything down probably aren't that great.

[Alt_F4]

The difference between an on-duty police officer and an off-duty police officer is paper.

An off-duty officer doesn't have an infringment book in their glove box to record and issue and infringement. If you get pulled over and issued a speeding fine, you get a copy of the fine, as do they. An off-duty officer can't do this.

The majority of cops will consider the likely chances of a charge being upheld in court when issuing it. The police prosecutor has to prove it in court but if he gets a bunch of nightmare cases lacking in credible evidence, guess who's going to get yelled at.

and for the difficulty recording plates and driver description, I was just considering that it was a screaming woman trying to drive a car full of kids on the freeway. The odds of her having a pen and paper handy to write everything down probably aren't that great.

So if an off duty office witnesses a murder and doesn't have a notepad it doesn't count? Yeah didn't think so either.

The officer will get the details, but the chances of prosecution are slightly reduced if the offender CHOOSES to defend, due to less supplementary evidence(ie. partner or in-car video)... but still, Off-Duty Officers word > than some pleb.

[Sevan]

I said infringement! not murder! you don't get stab someone and then get a ticket for it!

[fourseven]

The difference between an on-duty police officer and an off-duty police officer is paper.

An off-duty officer doesn't have an infringment book in their glove box to record and issue and infringement. If you get pulled over and issued a speeding fine, you get a copy of the fine, as do they. An off-duty officer can't do this.

The majority of cops will consider the likely chances of a charge being upheld in court when issuing it. The police prosecutor has to prove it in court but if he gets a bunch of nightmare cases lacking in credible evidence, guess who's going to get yelled at.

and for the difficulty recording plates and driver description, I was just considering that it was a screaming woman trying to drive a car full of kids on the freeway. The odds of her having a pen and paper handy to write everything down probably aren't that great.

You my friend are an idiot.



102 . Traffic infringement notices

(1) Where a member of the Police Force or warden has reason to believe that a person has committed any such offence against this Act as is prescribed for the purposes of this section, he may serve on that person a notice, in the prescribed form, (a traffic infringement notice ) informing the person that, if he does not wish to be prosecuted for the alleged offence in a court, he may pay to an officer specified in the notice, within the time therein specified, the amount of the penalty prescribed for the offence, if dealt with under this section.

(2) A traffic infringement notice may be served on an alleged offender personally or by posting it to his address as ascertained from him, at the time of, or immediately following, the occurrence giving rise to the allegation of an offence

Broken record time... anything a Police officer is authorised to do when they are considered on duty, they can do off duty. Their oath to uphold the law doesn't expire after hours and their powers don't magically disappear when they leave the office. They do not need a partner to back up their story and they do not need to issue you with an infringement on the spot. (when you get arrested you get a summons in the mail, which is effectively what a traffic infringement notice is. TIN are designed to keep minor criminal offenses like traffic violations from clogging up the court system. It is effectively a summons, giving you the option to avoid a court appearance.)

[HANS YOLO]

Yeh beaufort street, just near bunnings heading towards city this morning.
Highway patrol sitting in a side street, an entire queue of cars behind me, and they only wave me to pull over.
Lady cop wasnt to happy when I was counting the amount of cars passing by in the bus lane when she was writing me up. Hope she has a good day, slut.

i roll those dice every morning...its fucking dumb...imo if there isn't a bus behind you, play on

Ive been done on my bike there before...my theory now is be quick on the indicator if you spot them and your argument is you were turning left onto that street - need to keep an eagle eye for em way ahead tho or they will be right pricks and do you anyway

[CyberNetiC]

how about you guys dont drive in the bus lane.

then you wont get abused by people, and end up abusing cops in return.

so many people on here talk about doing illegal shit (not dangerous, just illegal and cheeky) and then whinge when ya get done.

drive normally, dont be a sheep like all the other fucks and take the "well if they do it i can to" mentality and you'll be ok.