Anti-Lag/ Nitrous

[GaryGT]

As above im thinking of Running Anti-Lag in conjuction with Nitrous
has any1 any experience with anti-lag and nitrous and all hints or tips are welcome!!!


regards


Gary

[Saf]

Before the thread gets whored and shat in, ill just point out that the two shall never realy be together so to speak.

When the AL is on, N20 isnt. Once you launch you really want to wondow switch the gas, anywhere above 3000rpm. At this time AL is off. If you change a gear, soon as you lift the circuit of N20 is broken, and your on AL, not spraying. Soon as you get on it, the AL is off and your now back into your N20 system.

AL retards a ton of ign timing, so with that in mind inle4ss your backfiring between or around gears (not popping in exhaust, backfire in intake) you will be fine. When you backfire a N20 system that is wet , you blow the TB right off the plenum at times.

As far as what kits, NX all the way. A close second is NOS, forget the rest. Amd wet is the only way you want to go, unless you dont mind building short motors.

N20 is gods gift of chemical anti lag.

[GaryGT]

cheers mate for ur comment!!
i was gonna use the Nitrous Anti-lag to get me off the line but wudnt be viable!!!
Im running a HUGE turbo so im hoping the launch controll Function on the Motec will be enough to get me off the line and then when im up in the revs it will be spray all the way!!!!

[Saf]

The beaty of that setup is you can dial in with your Motec a window switch based on rpm and im sure cross reference it to boost also, hence set it from say 3500rpm to 7000rpm (if your revlimiter is say at 7500) and anything up to say 15psi, so if at 15psi your at 5200rpm and those two cross path, the N20 is cut.

Just remeber, no elec ign cut when on N20, revlimiter or 2 step as it will backfire thru the intake and send shockwakes hard enough to destroy TB's, plenums, piping, and intercoolers.

N20 is safe as boost, both in excess when not right, will tear a motor apart. Its the control that the key, but with motec you be fine. And if you want up to 75hp, go single nozzle ... anything more, really start looking at multiport.

[iluv2moan]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JYAI0rwRsbU

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-1cPuJza_Aw&feature=related

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=2Twb4I8_-OU&feature=related

[Joe]

My first question is, why do you want to run antilag? Is it for wank, or do you actually want to do it for purpose?

[MMM]

My first question is, why do you want to run antilag? Is it for wank, or do you actually want to do it for purpose?

because his running a HUGE turbo

[GaryGT]

My first question is, why do you want to run antilag? Is it for wank, or do you actually want to do it for purpose?

well mate!!!
ye the setup im running is fine in first and second if u get the change rite!!!
but in 3rd ders a small flat spot on gear change and in fourth its a nitemare!!!!
Turbo is huge but i know with a nice bit of mapping and with some help from Anti-lag i can work out the minor kinks!!!!



regards

Gary

[GaryGT]

The beaty of that setup is you can dial in with your Motec a window switch based on rpm and im sure cross reference it to boost also, hence set it from say 3500rpm to 7000rpm (if your revlimiter is say at 7500) and anything up to say 15psi, so if at 15psi your at 5200rpm and those two cross path, the N20 is cut.

Just remeber, no elec ign cut when on N20, revlimiter or 2 step as it will backfire thru the intake and send shockwakes hard enough to destroy TB's, plenums, piping, and intercoolers.

N20 is safe as boost, both in excess when not right, will tear a motor apart. Its the control that the key, but with motec you be fine. And if you want up to 75hp, go single nozzle ... anything more, really start looking at multiport.




cheers for ur info mate much appreciated!!!!

[iluv2moan]

what huge turbo u running and on what motor?

[Joe]

well mate!!!
ye the setup im running is fine in first and second if u get the change rite!!!
but in 3rd ders a small flat spot on gear change and in fourth its a nitemare!!!!
Turbo is huge but i know with a nice bit of mapping and with some help from Anti-lag i can work out the minor kinks!!!!



regards

Gary

You need to shift gears faster :D

Antilag will probably help with boost on gearchanges, but its probably not the best solution.....how long do you want your exhaust manifold, valves and turbo to last?

Better solution is tuning i.e more timing, cams, and possibly a smaller sized rear housing if its too laggy. Also shift faster :)

[gtr_eta]

rev it more

[GaryGT]

thanks for the commets lads!!!!
cheeers

[Saf]

Antilag will probably help with boost on gearchanges, but its probably not the best solution.....how long do you want your exhaust manifold, valves and turbo to last?


You mean if you race with it ? .... or huddle up like a bunch of outcasts from Gilligans island at Mo'davation and turn on your anti lag in a circle giggling like Martin Bryant in a gun store ?.

:group: <---- wrx "i 4m wrc styl3z y0" appreciation society. Hahaha ...



Better solution is tuning i.e more timing, cams, and possibly a smaller sized rear housing if its too laggy. Also shift faster :)


Even if you flat shift, the problem is the mechanical ratio of the next gear. Doesnt matter if its air shifted, the issue is he would need a close ratio box, but he needs something for now. Timing and cams wont do anything when the TPS falls to 0% and the inj cycle duty is .5% on a gearchange .... that turbo will slow.

Id go NX :)

[GaryGT]

You mean if you race with it ? .... or huddle up like a bunch of outcasts from Gilligans island at Mo'davation and turn on your anti lag in a circle giggling like Martin Bryant in a gun store ?.

:group: <---- wrx "i 4m wrc styl3z y0" appreciation society. Hahaha ...



Even if you flat shift, the problem is the mechanical ratio of the next gear. Doesnt matter if its air shifted, the issue is he would need a close ratio box, but he needs something for now. Timing and cams wont do anything when the TPS falls to 0% and the inj cycle duty is .5% on a gearchange .... that turbo will slow.

Id go NX :)


cheers mate u seem to know ur stuff!!
ive taken ur ideas on board ;-)


regards

Gary

[180SXTCY]

SAF ur my hero. man u know stuff about stuff good work mate! p.s do u have a workshop?

[AGIT8D]

[QUOTE=Saf;378206]You mean if you race with it ? .... or huddle up like a bunch of outcasts from Gilligans island at Mo'davation and turn on your anti lag in a circle giggling like Martin Bryant in a gun store ?.

:group: <---- wrx "i 4m wrc styl3z y0" appreciation society. Hahaha ...


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Hahahahahahahaha.. Ahh yes it's almost that time again :)

[180SXTCY]

haha remember going to mo'davation ulleh, a few years back and seen all the wrx lads in a circle with a white liberty just sitting there reving she shit out of it popping flames!

[Saf]

SAF ur my hero. man u know stuff about stuff good work mate! p.s do u have a workshop?

Hahaha, cheers.

I do have a small workshop yes. Im a part time crippie in a 'chair, so i work from my little workshop, no ambition to go big for now unless someone fronts it and i run it.

[Miggy]

You NEED a big workshop and to get your name out there, you know so much shit every time you post i learn something new.

[Saf]

Miggy, yes your right. Just before this China market flooded the scene, i was set to roll into a brand new 280sq/m unit, awd dyno dynamics unit, pair of hoists, mezanine floor for upstairs composite work and clean engine building, had suppliers direct in Japan i was buying gear off to stock my shelves up for "impulse buyers" ... you name it.

I was so blown away at what some of the big places in Asia were doing at the time, the only thing they missed was custom fabrication. (what i was at the time doing)

Then i got a fone call from a mate in NY who wholesales some JDM and US stuff and said "DONT DO IT". The chinese market would have washed me out bigger than a tidal wave in the festive season. People were selling IC kits with piping, clamps, hoses, 600x300 core and on your doorstep , cheaper than i was making my 550x275 cores and tanks only. This new market didnt give a shit that id spent 3200bux in R&D end tank design alone ... they want a cheap fmic for a Silvia they paid 8k for.

I would have survived it i guess, even now almost all of my gear goes to USA / Euro and Mid East. I dont pimp my stuff here on Aus forums, no-one wants to pay what im worth. After a break for a year and half to build my house, im back but probably going to go ebay only. We see.

Id love a big new workshop, but my back may not allow that fulltime. Im really trying to chase down big dollar project car builds , do 4 a year and im happy.

Even more if somone built a workshop the way i plan, and id run it, id make them a good name. I was just about to do this a few months ago .... but the guys mrs put her foot down, and he is the little man of the house.

Such is life. The new Skyline im building, is going to be a catalogue of what im about ... and i have a couple project cars up my sleeve taht ANDRA will ban on its first play.

Thanks for them kind words (and btw i still work, but on a smaller scale).

[GaryGT]

ye ders always setbacks lad when u go 2 something!!!!
hope u get up and running dude!!!!
wat have u planned for the Skyline?????

[Saf]

wat have u planned for the Skyline?????

Its a R32 GT-S that ill drop in a CA18DET into, low, and set back, V mounted cooling, gutted interior (most) , insulated fuel rail, returnless fuel system, etc etc ... im wanting 450rwhp and 1150kg. That would make me happy. I doubt ill get it less than 1150, but if i can make more RWHP and keep it safe, ill do that.

Car be for circuit / drift.

[bodybodyrock]

CA seems like a unusual choice of motor, any particular reason ur choosing CA over somthing like a SR?

[GaryGT]

CA seems like a unusual choice of motor, any particular reason ur choosing CA over somthing like a SR?

much better base to work from!!!
CA18det is a stronger engine than its brother sr20 cheddar cheese!!!
much better Platform to work from!!!!
keep us updated on the project

[Lonewolf]

saf has much love for the ca18, its a well designed motor, sharing a lot of the good stuff that makes the rb26 a good engine.

[V8ENZ]

'cause only milk and juice comes in 2 litres'

[Saf]

CA seems like a unusual choice of motor, any particular reason ur choosing CA over somthing like a SR?

Well i really dont like the top end at all in the SR20, and i have no love for the small motorbike chain on the timing area, and doing cam timing is a PITA. The Euro 4-Port CA head is a better head, with a solid conversion, ill take it any day of the week.

A built CA will make the power i need. I have one in my 180 in Europe, each trip its on the limiter the whole time, WOT around the Nurburgring, Brno, Hill climbs and local drift events, and its great.

It doesnt sound like a Massey Fergueson tractor. A CA sounds so so nice.

Its lighter (well 9 out of 10 people say that, the tenth is the guy who just spent 12k on a SR), but its flawed with lacking parts. The SR has everything, the CA is limited. However some parts like fuel rails, and dry oil setups ill do to my spec anyways, so im not all that fussed.

It looks so much nicer, just like a baby RB26.

And ....

It pisses people off no end. SR owners hate on me when they can, hurl insults and get so wound up about the ordeal. As one can imagine, i like to go against the grain and pick the original path. I could 2J it , but the 2J is the new RB26.

Love the CA.

[Lump]

N20 is gods gift of chemical anti lag.

its actually gods gift of chemical supercharging :p

[Saf]

Gods good, he makes engines and humans, feel great on it.